The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:24 pm @Sloonei can we publicize scumchat as well?

I was gonna ask if you guys are okay with that. You're the ones who were posting in it, for the most part. It's up to you whether that gets published or not.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:30 pm This will probably be my last game for quite a while.

Thanks for a great game, Sloonei.

All I did was copy & paste a bunch of things from elsewhere and let you guys run it out.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm I just need to learn how to convince other people now.

While we're talking about what makes a good civilian, this right here is the most undervalued aspect of strong civilian play in my experience. Producing accurate reads is only half the battle. Other people need to be on board with those reads too.

Unless you're a vigilante. But vigilantes are dumb.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:39 pm Fantastic performance by the rest of my team

Another scum win under my belt zehaha

Even though it ended up helping the team, I was disappointed that you were first to go. I wanted to see what all the newcomers would bring to the table, and you showed some stuff in your brief time in the game. I hope we find ourselves in a game together sometime.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm I just need to learn how to convince other people now.

While we're talking about what makes a good civilian, this right here is the most undervalued aspect of strong civilian play in my experience. Producing accurate reads is only half the battle. Other people need to be on board with those reads too.

Unless you're a vigilante. But vigilantes are dumb.

Have good instincts.
Be compelling in your cases.
Know when you drop a bad case and follow someone else.

I personally have always had number one but I only developed number two and three very recently.

The development of #3 was a pretty pivotal moment for me as a mafia player. I still need to remind myself at some point in every game that it's entirely possible I'm wrong about everything.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:45 pm The Mafia played on this site is some of the most competitive on the Internet. People come here to get better. I hope this community takes pride in that.

I thought they came for Wilgy's cactus ass.

For the record: I've played as much mafia with Mac as I have with anyone else on the internet, and I still have no idea how to read him. I usually just pretend and hope that I'm right.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:46 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:32 pm I just need to learn how to convince other people now.

While we're talking about what makes a good civilian, this right here is the most undervalued aspect of strong civilian play in my experience. Producing accurate reads is only half the battle. Other people need to be on board with those reads too.

Unless you're a vigilante. But vigilantes are dumb.

Have good instincts.
Be compelling in your cases.
Know when you drop a bad case and follow someone else.

I personally have always had number one but I only developed number two and three very recently.

The development of #3 was a pretty pivotal moment for me as a mafia player. I still need to remind myself at some point in every game that it's entirely possible I'm wrong about everything.

#juliets
#colonialbob

the north remembers.

Juliets does not count!

colonialbob is a definite black mark against me though. I still feel guilty any time I look at his avatar.

Thanks and kudos are also in order for [mention]M Plus 7[/mention]. It's unfortunate that real life prevented him from really taking part in this game, but I doubt it would have even gotten off the ground without his work behind the scenes.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:51 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:49 pm Ultra, we have a few games in signup right now waiting on a few players to run. You should totally sign up if you have time and feel able, lots of people would love to play with you again.

Got anything starting soon? My chaps game is in 2 weeks.

I'll have my binoculars out for that one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:52 pm I also think that the build, at least in this sites meta, favoured us. No night chat was a big deal.

Going into the tournament a lot of the chatter on MU was about how much the setup favors town. But, in this game at least, it seemed like every break went in favor of you guys. None of the roles are really that powerful, unless both vigilantes roll town and then hit scum on their shots, and the locked night thread is definitely an advantage for mafia. Though I did agree with some of the folks who commented elsewhere that it was a bit of a relief to have space to step away from the game without feeling any pressure about doing so.

Mafia also won the first preliminary game, though I believe 100% of that can be attributed to nutella's early death.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:00 pm
Mafia also won the first preliminary game, though I believe 100% of that can be attributed to nutella's early death.

LOL I would have pushed for lynching fura at least, and at least tried to get jack under more scrutiny than the undeserved zero, but Backpack was like the Mac of that game for me. I never would have sniffed him out.

I've always felt the tournament itself favors mafia teams for the same reason you guys had an advantage here: nobody knows each other. It's super easy to get away with phony behavior when no one knows what your authentic self looks like.

That's not to say it's not an awesome event and tons of fun to participate in. But it's a thing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:06 pm My least favorite role is the vigilante by the way. I cannot use it effectively. I shot Jack and knew it was stupid but I felt if I didn't, I'd have him on my ass all game.

Completely agree. Vigilante is such a volatile role. I don't like it. Hosting a game with two of them was an unpleasant sensation.

Like, my whole Civilian Doctrine is about functioning as a team. A vigilante is the antithesis of that. It's one player tasked with eliminating another player on their own.

Whenever I'm a vigilante or have a gun I try to make it a public decision as best I can. If info dumping is allowed I just tell everyone I've got a gun and ask who I should shoot.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 10:29 pm Hey @novaselinenever guess what

I have no idea what you're talking about

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:13 pm Like, my whole Civilian Doctrine is about functioning as a team. A vigilante is the antithesis of that. It's one player tasked with eliminating another player on their own.

Whenever I'm a vigilante or have a gun I try to make it a public decision as best I can. If info dumping is allowed I just tell everyone I've got a gun and ask who I should shoot.

Mafia gets a say in that though.

I hated this particular vigilante spot because I'm required to act on a certain night. That sucks. I can't hold my shot until I'm ready. I'm like that guy in American Pie.

They do, but mafia has a say in everything that happens in the thread so they've already influenced me before I start waving my gun around. And telling people I'm packing heat produces some valuable reactions.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:17 pm
Also, I plan on starting a sopranos game soon on The Millennium Forums. No exact date yet. If any of you would be interested in that.

Feel free to link us there. We've also got a thread for off-site games here, if you feel like advertising to everyone on the Syndicate. We only bite a little bit.

I may check it out, but I'm not sure I can sign up for this game right now. A) Because I'm not sure I can fit another game into my schedule at the moment, and B) because The Sopranos is near the very top of my Shows I Should Watch list and I don't want to risk exposing myself to spoilers before I get to it.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:31 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:26 pm

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:17 pm
Also, I plan on starting a sopranos game soon on The Millennium Forums. No exact date yet. If any of you would be interested in that.

Feel free to link us there. We've also got a thread for off-site games here, if you feel like advertising to everyone on the Syndicate. We only bite a little bit.

I may check it out, but I'm not sure I can sign up for this game right now. A) Because I'm not sure I can fit another game into my schedule at the moment, and B) because The Sopranos is near the very top of my Shows I Should Watch list and I don't want to risk exposing myself to spoilers before I get to it.

Good to know

My games tend to be very flavor heavy in construction of roles, with almost every role being custom tailored to the character, but in terms of write ups and spoilers that's usually kept to a minimum.

And start watching it. Seriously.

I'll get to it this summer. I just embarked on a re-watch of The Wire while waiting for new Game of Thrones to air each week. The Sopranos will be up next, I promise.

Which reminds me that the Veep finale aired last night and I gotta watch it. That poor show had the most unfairly overshadowed final season in television history.

I'm a deep cover HBO marketing agent.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:45 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 13, 2019 11:01 pm Y'all are raising good points about the composition of an ideal civilian. I have a five-pronged image now:

1) Make good reads / have good instincts (the dunyas and Macs)

2) Pursue those reads in such a manner that others will be compelled to follow (the Jays and Goldens)

3) Avoid the noose (the Epis)

4) Promote a thread climate conducive to effective hunting (the Slooneis and MPs)

5) Know when to play the role of the follower (numerous)

Sounds impossible.

I do all those things all the time.

Then why are you only shown as an example for one of the numbers but not all?

Epi signs up for 5 games at a time and does one of these things in each of them.

nutella has entered the race.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 12:34 pm Looks like it went well

I’d say so. This was a lot of fun to host. Having both players and rules that were unfamiliar to me was an interesting experience.

Yeah, roleblocker was out Day 1. The most distinctly pro-mafia role in the game actually rolled mafia but then never had a chance to activate.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue May 14, 2019 4:40 pm Roleblocked JJJ day one and stopped kill
Roleblocked Mac and stopped investigation but hard linked it to DDL and didnt consider Mac as scum outside of that

Damn

Nutella blocked you from blocking mac, actually. You would have stopped another kill.