The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:00 pm

Day 0 begins now and will last 24 hours. Each player may post a maximum of 25 times during Day 0. All Jiggy pursuits, night actions, and voting will not take place until Day 1 and onward. You may begin posting.

y'all wasting moments with each rhyme. all that effort in vain for no benefit.

On a totally different note, we might help ourselves by numbering each post. It’d be nice to have a roadmap against bumping into the post cap.

What rhymes with mafia?

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:05 pm What rhymes with mafia?
Offin' ya?

Sloth in the...

Bothan, bruh

trough say wha?

These are good, I’m gonna copy ya.

4. I'll get my few general thoughts out before the Day 1 clock starts:

I have never played a game of this format before, but I did host the one previous attempt at a Light Game on this site. The post cap was higher, but the game ended up being much slower than intended. I think that was more an issue of timing than anything than anything else, but hardly anyone ever came close to hitting their daily post limit in that game. Mafia won easily. Some people said that with no built-in system to keep track of their posts, they felt their safest bet was to just stay quiet. That's why I propose we all keep track of our daily post counts ourselves for the time being.

Pacing and timing will be important too, I guess. There's no lifting of the cap late in the phase, so if any of us are inclined to save some bullets for the deadline in case anything crucial needs to be said at lynchtime, we should be cautious about that. Unless you have jiggy powers, maybe limit yourself to 20 posts for the first 46 hours or so, I don't know, I'm making this up as I go.

I also guess we'll finally see how I adapt when I can't ask why a thousand times a day.

If we've got any other strategic suggestions, put them out there. This is a new format with new challenges, but it doesn't need to be a gigantic disadvantage.

6 That was 5. I'm already terrible at this.

1.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:59 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:46 pm Hey all, just checking in for now. Preoccupied with other items for the duration. Looking forward to playing this despite this post count limitation putting me in shackles.
Refusing to rhyme is kinda scummy
Also anyone who over rhymes/someone in first 3 is def mafia trying to be blendy.

Also fuck rhyming the whole reason i signed up for this game is since I don't wanna post why should I rhyme and be forced to post more.

Let us begin with a vote for sig
Whose entrance was just too big
He huffed and he puffed and made a scene
But he just looks the opposite of green

sig wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:02 pm Super excited to play with some of the oldies again!
Currently drinking wine and cleaning so not 100% here ergo ignore about half of the grammar and spelling mistakes the other half I'd make even not tipsy.

Also let's not lynch sig day one in this game okay gang? Okay

Also also I'm packing/moving for job, finishing out school and dealing with army junk so activity may be weird for a bit.

“Let’s not lynch sig day 1” looks like anxiety being masked as banter.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:30 pm I aint lynching sig on day (1)
twice in a row, that's no fun
I'd rather choose someone who seems too eager
to do so despite the motive being so meager

Shifting the blame
To start the game
Tut tut,
Hazelnut

3. Epignosis is town, but so is MP. Let’s not lynch either of them.

4. I voted for Tony (a while back, but I’ve been distracted) because I did not like the early rush of votes on sig.

Now please tell me why it’s a bad look for me to have placed my vote there in the first place.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:30 am In post number three
I will [VOTE: MP] aubergine
This ain't the dog pee
I think I'd see

You said this elsewhere
Recently. Tell me if you care
How it worked out for you then,
And you really want to pursue that again.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:32 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:30 am In post number three
I will [VOTE: MP] aubergine
This ain't the dog pee
I think I'd see
You said this elsewhere
Recently. Tell me if you care
How it worked out for you then,
And you really want to pursue that again.
nice enjambment

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 1:31 am 4. I voted for Tony (a while back, but I’ve been distracted) because I did not like the early rush of votes on sig.

Now please tell me why it’s a bad look for me to have placed my vote there in the first place.
voting for me = good. I think your out of the gate post against Sig was a little out of character (a kinda "I'm not voting for him, but here's why you should, but I don't like that people are voting for him), but in a 25 post limit day I also think there's reason to say what you have to say efficiently.

I did vote for sig. i forgot the aubergine. This read is goofy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:52 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:31 pm 3. Epignosis is town, but so is MP. Let’s not lynch either of them.
I warn you against making reads such as this. I swear in god's name you did the same in a recent game and it ended up the drizzling shits.

7. I don’t give a drizzling shit about being right at this stage. I have an immediate reaction to reads that have been put forth.

Epi out forth a read on MP and I believe his intentions were pure. MP looks like MP.

Spoiler: show

My sig vote was done just to provide some action right off the bat for Day 1. I didn't want us to not have anything to talk about, so I put a vote in a spot where it felt comfortable: on sig. If anyone is going to try to read that as if I sincerely intended the vote or the read to stick, they're gonna have a rough go of it this game.

That doesn't mean it was an empty read/vote. Sig getting mislynched early in games is a syndicate meme at this point, but his Day 0 plea to avoid that was unprompted here, and I could see it as a tentative bad guy (bad banjo?) trying to enter the game with feigned nonchalance. I'm not invested in this read, but it was something to talk about.

Then two other people followed with votes on sig, putting him up to 3 within the first couple hours of Day 1. I have no interest in leaving my vote there. Early phase votes are about generating discussion. Having a poll that indicates sig is a runaway suspect is counterproductive.

9. I meant to compile all of my responses to people in one big post, but hit submit out of habit. oops

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:58 am I also felt a line of sarcasm and negativity in Sloonei's posts that I didn't like. It's faint, but makes me want to place my first vote there.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

What? Huh? What are you talking about? Point to the things that you are talking about and explain why you don't like them.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:24 pm
This is good this is good this is good shit
This is my fourth post and I love it
To respond to Sloonei no I don't care
MP feels different here, I swear

Our posts are limited, so don't make me ask why.
You know I'll do it, or at least I'll try
A hundred millions times
Tell me, what are MP's crimes?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 7:39 pm Epi pointing out dunya's post count speaks to my instincts
Like she's rationing them to get close to the quota
Not necessarily scummy, but I think it stinks
And I don't trust her one iota

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

10. Question for everyone: do we think there might be a difference in the way players handle the post cap based on alignment? What could the tells be, if there are any?

Russtifinko is town. He felt the need
to question me, like folks in Assassin's Creed.
They did not know me either, and took to heart
The silly little things I said at the start.

11. I hit my rhyme quota. Let's get jiggy with it.

Responding to DDL:

Spoiler: show

That was a joke. No one caught it.

Spoiler: show

"Bashing" is a little harsh and that certainly was not my intention. My point was just that I saw nutella make a nearly identical accusation against MP in Coronavirus Mafia a few weeks ago. I wanted to bring it up to get a response. She shrugged at it. My tone may have been thrown off by the rhyme scheme.

Spoiler: show

Literally just repeating Mac's own words back at him.

Eh I'm not gonna be the purity guy, I am mean to people all the time too, this just gave me a feeling of scummy tone so I decided to poke it to see what happens.

Am I coming off as mean? I don't... uh, intend to. Sometimes you gotta be blunt in a mafia game.

12.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:05 am T11. G-Man + Speedchuck - They have made one off topic post each in a game that I would expect the scum to have action paralysis in.

Hey, why this?

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Rainbow list to help me sort my thoughts and whatnot. Mostly GTH style reads here.

Russtifinko
Epignosis
Mac
MP
DDL
Nanook
dunya
nutella
Turnip Head
sig
Tony
G-man
speedchuck

Those results are boring. nutella and dunya are a pair of players that could very well be within their town games right now, but there's not enough for me to pronounce a judgment. DDL, like russ, feels good in his skepticism of me.
sig's been a little too self-focused. I don't care when he has or hasn't been lynched in past games. I want his opinions on this game, the one that's happening right now in this thread.
Nanook is green because he made me laugh.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:49 pm Sloonei does actually have a weird snideness to his game that isn't usually present. Are you okay mate or are you just scum and is the being evil clouding your usual chirpy personality? I like how you've kept your POE super wide. Not very like you at all.

I would expect the methodology being wielded to make it harder for scum who already are not keen to post (ie. G-Man and Speedchuck who profile given G-Man doesn't like playing Mafia and Speedchuck slanks generally but somehow mustered an actual effort for Rona mafia so is probably burnt out). When I rand wolf I am always tailoring my posts, deleting them, walking away from the game etc. The post count cap + rhyming would just make that a lot worse.
I actually disagree with your take on Sloonei -- I think MP put it pretty well and the snideness you're talking about actually comes out a bit stronger when Sloonei is scum imo. I agree that he feels slightly off this game and it bothered me at first, but he settled in a bit so I figured it was probably just nervousness about the format of the game. I think he feels more natural recently.

When did I start looking more natural?

if i'm being grumpy this game we will just blame it on old age. damn kids and their post limits. banjo ka-pooie.

14. Epi feels distinctly different in this game, but I'm not currently inclined to view that as a negative point. Reads have been pouring out of him more openly than I'm used to. It's a change that doesn't necessarily strike me as agenda-driven. Or maybe that's the point.

But also I don't even know what he was talking about during the whole post count discussion. It seemed like he had it right at first and then fell down a rabbit hole with a misinterpretation of the rules. We had 25 posts on Day 0. We have 25 (+5) posts on Day 1.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:07 pm 14. Epi feels distinctly different in this game, but I'm not currently inclined to view that as a negative point. Reads have been pouring out of him more openly than I'm used to. It's a change that doesn't necessarily strike me as agenda-driven. Or maybe that's the point.
'not-negative'
'not necessarily agenda driven'
'maybe it's supposed to look good'

Do you have a read on Epi, or are those hedge brambles distracting you?

Yes, you will note that he’s in my highest tier of town reads. That post is worded the way it is because it was in response to a comment that epi feels different.

Yucky take, [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Everyone says my tone is off. I genuinely have no idea what that’s about. I’m burning a post just to say this. The only thing I’m doing different is watching my post count.

Also I guess I’ll note for [mention]dunya[/mention] and [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] that I’ve added a lot more experience to my scum game since you last saw it. That meta is out of date.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:49 pm I understand, Sloonei, it's alright. I think you're alright, but I think what people might be detecting is that you just can't do your normal slower-burn questions-asking and interactions, and that makes you seem more team-oriented and friendly maybe? Like dunya mentioned you hadn't interacted with her, for example.

I feel rather lost right now. I'll be back.

Yeah the post cap has stripped me of my power in that regard. I don’t want to blow everything on one exchange.

I’d been waiting for dunya to give a firm read on me. She went from “sloonei is town” to “i missed something” to “undecided” with a long spiel about why I’m not sitting well with her. I wanted to see if I believed her once she settled on something. So far the conclusion is too murky to make a decision, which is how she also feels about me, so that might be worth something.

This also answers the question of why her and nutella were in my orange tier. I have not had a specific reason to suspect them, but their posts haven’t broken much ground for me. Contrast that with the others who were in my town tier, and they have mostly done things that I had tangible reads on. Epi’s been more forthcoming than I’ve seen him in a while; you look just like the version of yourself I saw as a lurker on Day 1 of Coronavirus, DDL and Russti pursued suspicions of me that felt authentic. I’m less sure of Mac than I was before, but I’d still maintain a slight green read on him. His reads list looked like an effective way to communicate a lot of information in a single post, but that could easily be a scum strategy.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 1:08 pm i feel like sloonei wouldn't outright ignore me. i've mentioned you plenty of times, and you'd at least ask me what it was that was making me iffy on you. you'd want to hear it so you can defend yourself or make a decision on where i stand. you've outright ignored me, and it's a point of concern for me.

i also don't believe i still haven't left enough of an impression on you to either be in your town or suspect tier. if anyone can read me, it's you.

anyway, i'm gonna see how i feel about this, because i think mac's long reads was the easiest thing to fake as a scum to appear like a contributing member of town: [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

I can say all of this about you as well. So this post earns you that coveted town lean.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 1:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:09 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 11:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:07 pm 14. Epi feels distinctly different in this game, but I'm not currently inclined to view that as a negative point. Reads have been pouring out of him more openly than I'm used to. It's a change that doesn't necessarily strike me as agenda-driven. Or maybe that's the point.
'not-negative'
'not necessarily agenda driven'
'maybe it's supposed to look good'

Do you have a read on Epi, or are those hedge brambles distracting you?
Yes, you will note that he’s in my highest tier of town reads. That post is worded the way it is because it was in response to a comment that epi feels different.

Yucky take, [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
i see you're still voting for speedchuck. is he your best suspect based on this post alone?

I don't really have a "top suspect" and that post wasn't all that long ago (I've been asleep for most of the time between then and now), and my vote at this stage is never final, but yeah, I still think that was a bad take. I can easily see it coming from a cherrypicking townchuck, but it seemed like a viable point to apply pressure to and that hasn't changed.

I think I am unintentionally approaching this game differently. I can't "dig in" as Epi is calling for me to do, at least not in the way that I normally would. I do not quite know how my methodology will shake out in this game. It's going to be something different. I thrive on generating as much conversation as possible, and this game is designed to deter that exact thing. I need to take a more backseat analytical approach, probably. I'm out of my element.

Also I'm disappointed that Epi of all people didn't catch my entry joke. It was too obscure, i guess.

I'll probably vote for Mac. Or not. I don't know. speedchuck is uninspired. Maybe I'll go back to tony.

[VOTE: tony] aubergine for burning a post to ask a question that's already been answered twice, which would require another burned post from me to answer a third time. I made a rainbow.

I asked earlier if anyone could think of any possibilities in the ways player alignment could affect the approach to the post cap. I have a suggestion of my own: mafia players might be more careless about posts. I've been preoccupied with my total (this is 21) all day and I'm being a bit tightlipped because I don't want to risk being unable to speak at a crucial moment. A member of the mafia team might not care as much about leaving their channels open like that, so they might burn through posts more inefficiently. Tony's post above is inefficient.

I am basing this entirely off my own mindset and an apparent dichotomy stemming from that. I acknowledge it's totally unfair.

22.

Spoiler: show

Yes, absolutely. But that question just seemed kind of aimless to be the sole substance of a post in a game where individual posts are a commodity. Epi's mocking response at least served the purpose of telling me my theory sucks: he said a lot with a little. Tony burned a post to ask a question that could have been answered in two seconds if he looked back. I normally advocate for stuff like that, but this is a different thread environment. He also has not returned to the thread since then. My impression is that he didn't care.

I suppose my "say as many things as you can" philosophy has been usurped by a "make sure every post matters" outlook for this game. That said, Tony is not in danger of going over the limit right now. But in the absence of any strong suspects, I don't hate having my vote on him at the moment. I'm aware of the deadline.

Spoiler: show

Does "leery" mean you suspect me? Does it surprise you that I'd "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks"? Have you met me?

Why are those bottom three your suspects for today?

Sig is a lightning rod. I don't approve of this lynch because of the fact that it is happening. On content alone I don't read sig as town, but the momentum that's building toward this lynch is too easy. He's got votes because he's an easy topic of conversation (partially my fault). I think we'll have better success if we turn over different rocks in our last fifteen minutes. I'd still dangle Tony's name out there. I'm tempted to switch to Mac as well.

Different topic, but [mention]dunya[/mention] asked me to comment on the case against her that popped up mid-phase. At the time I didn't understand it because I wasn't sure what the basis was. I read back. It stemmed from Epi's initial gripes against MP (I didn't care about any of that) and dunya's response to it (I cared a little more about that). I think Epi's response to dunya was natural, but the criticism (that she was setting up a false "MP vs Epi dichotomy) is not one that I agreed with.
Town/town headbutt would be my opinion. This may be old news by now. I've been distracted most of the day.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:47 pm I would vote Tony if that was on the table. I have zero reason to town read him; he's made so little impression that I kept forgetting he was even a player.

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You have the power to put him on the table right now. What do you mean if?

I have one post remaining.

Right now I am between Tony and Mac. Reserving my final post in case I really need it. May not call any potential vote changes until the final moment.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:55 pm The push of Mac is scummy
Regardless of his flip
There’s mafia on it, that’s my tip
Make sure you listen to me, dummy

I thought this about the push on sig.

I'm voting for mac. nutella is his teammate. I'm breaking one of my own cardinal rules. This game just doesn't jive, but here's post #25.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 6:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:55 pm The push of Mac is scummy
Regardless of his flip
There’s mafia on it, that’s my tip
Make sure you listen to me, dummy
I thought this about the push on sig.

I'm voting for mac. nutella is his teammate. I'm breaking one of my own cardinal rules. This game just doesn't jive, but here's post #25.
what cardinal rule

pre-flip associative reads. They're a bad idea.

nutella's response when I floated tony's name was wonky, and I skimmed her ISO for mentions mac. there were a few vanilla positive observations and nothing more.

this game is weird.

How does night posting work? Is there a night cap?

Night cap
Followed by a tight nap
Dreams that are quite rad
Hoping they don't turn bad

oh. neat.

Dunya scum reads me and nutella town reads me. Are we in crazy land?

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 3:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 3:12 pm Dunya scum reads me and nutella town reads me. Are we in crazy land?
I gth you town but I wouldn't say I town read you much north of null atm. I've wavered up and down on you quite a bit

That's more in line with what I'd expect.

I'm probably not gonna bother addressing suspicions. Day 1 was weird and I was more preoccupied with adjusting to the settings than playing the game. I'll catch a bad guy Day 2 and you'll all put me on your shoulders and parade me around banjo town, you'll see.

linki: "Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook."

For instance, did you know that G-man is bad? Boom, got em

DDL is town

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:18 pmDDL is town
Not sure how you concoluded that from a sequence of 3 filler posts, but thanks.

I didn't. I've held this town read for a while and said so on Day 1. I just wanted to reiterate it because people were talking about you as a potential suspect.

G-man is bad. Someone tell me why that statement is false while I vote for him.

G-man is bad, I say.

Spoiler: show

All four of his "BAD" reads come with built-in concessions. I wouldn't quite call it hedging or "wishywashy"; instead G is admitting the flaw in all of his reads ("old bias" x2, "may be a tad harsh", "Maybe it's lack of familiarity"). The effect suggests a player who is tentative because he knows his reads are wrong, as opposed to a player who is keeping an open mind.

The same thing comes out when he elaborates on his nanook read:

Spoiler: show

This post also feels as though it has a sort of falsely inflated confidence, like he is overcompensating when pushed on a read that is weak.

Spoiler: show

Embraces the role as an agent of chaos at the end of Day 1. My sense is that G-man doesn't care about the roof, he just wants to see it burn.

Spoiler: show

Mhmm.

Spoiler: show

I do not care for this line of thinking in general. A mafia team who is reading the thread like normal will have a sense of who's trusted and who's not. They don't need lists to tell them that. In this context I can also read it as an easy excuse to put off the supposedly helpful exercise. And also G-man made two comprehensive reads lists during the day. So I call balderdash on this statement, sir. Balderdash!

Spoiler: show

He's currently voting for me.

Why is concern about potential mafia strategies a bad thing? Why can't I be concerned about that while also analyzing people?

G-man is bad.

3. Nanook is crafty with claims,
And he's done it in other games.
He may be distorting truth
But sig should still claim, forsooth.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:30 pm I don't remember which game it was, but I think there was an instance where town Sig lost a game on purpose to make a point about being against claiming. Or maybe it was someone else (this happens a lot in the other forum I play in). Correct me if I'm wrong.

If this is true it makes me paranoid, though. There is a good chance nanook is telling the truth but his info isn't really conclusive, and Sig is gonna self destruct to make a point anyway.
Notably Nanook also faked a red peek in a recent game (the baseball one), though that person happened to be indeed mafia But from what he's said here I believe he's not lying this time and he is admitting that his info might not be 100% reliable. But yeah you make a point that goes against Nanook's plan to policy-lynch sig for refusing to claim.
I've been known to take pretty hard-line stances against claiming and infodumping, too. But it's in the rules for this game, so to the extent it helps us, we might as well. We're at a disadvantage to begin with because of post count restrictions, so we should use every (legal) advantage we have.

I wouldn't call it a policy lynch, though. Even with NANOOK's admittedly not-certain infodump, I probably wouldn't vote sig today if that was the only thing against him. There's also yesterday's lynch vote, which looked like a save to me, and his reaction to this read, which has been to stubbornly not claim and then make a bunch of false statements.

G-Man, I'm gonna ISO both you and Sloonei, with as open a mind as possible, but I probably won't get around to it until tomorrow at least. He pinged me very early on, and you're now one of my top suspects. I do think it's a good look that he put so much detail into that ISO before anyone followed your advice to ISO him. I never think an OMGUS is super inspiring, but I'm probably giving a little more leeway on this one than I usually would since I do think D1 points to you being bad.

nutella thanks for the help with "@"! That was driving me insane.

You should have a good reason not to suspect me, but I am unclear who you are saying is OMGUSing here?

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 10:04 pm
Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 3:30 pm I don't remember which game it was, but I think there was an instance where town Sig lost a game on purpose to make a point about being against claiming. Or maybe it was someone else (this happens a lot in the other forum I play in). Correct me if I'm wrong.

If this is true it makes me paranoid, though. There is a good chance nanook is telling the truth but his info isn't really conclusive, and Sig is gonna self destruct to make a point anyway.
Notably Nanook also faked a red peek in a recent game (the baseball one), though that person happened to be indeed mafia But from what he's said here I believe he's not lying this time and he is admitting that his info might not be 100% reliable. But yeah you make a point that goes against Nanook's plan to policy-lynch sig for refusing to claim.
I've been known to take pretty hard-line stances against claiming and infodumping, too. But it's in the rules for this game, so to the extent it helps us, we might as well. We're at a disadvantage to begin with because of post count restrictions, so we should use every (legal) advantage we have.

I wouldn't call it a policy lynch, though. Even with NANOOK's admittedly not-certain infodump, I probably wouldn't vote sig today if that was the only thing against him. There's also yesterday's lynch vote, which looked like a save to me, and his reaction to this read, which has been to stubbornly not claim and then make a bunch of false statements.

G-Man, I'm gonna ISO both you and Sloonei, with as open a mind as possible, but I probably won't get around to it until tomorrow at least. He pinged me very early on, and you're now one of my top suspects. I do think it's a good look that he put so much detail into that ISO before anyone followed your advice to ISO him. I never think an OMGUS is super inspiring, but I'm probably giving a little more leeway on this one than I usually would since I do think D1 points to you being bad.

nutella thanks for the help with "@"! That was driving me insane.
You should have a good reason not to suspect me, but I am unclear who you are saying is OMGUSing here?
As far as I saw, G-Man came at you first, so that would make you the OMGUSer. However, as I said, I think G-Man is bad, so take that with a big grain of salt.

Also, I am notoriously bad at hints. What's the reason not to suspect you? (If I'm likely to come across it when I ISO you then you don't have to bother right now though.)

My vote's been on G-man since the start of the day. I just didn't give any reasons why until a few hours ago.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 9:15 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 8:10 pm My goodness it's quiet here
Is everyone spectating champs?
Or are we just waiting a year
for sig to respond to nook's clamps?

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I wanted to save most of my posts for the second day.

But second day is here so better start using them!

I'm getting second thoughts about this Sig lynch. It is logical, but gut says it's too easy and there is a good chance Sig has the perfect explanation against it but refuses to claim and dooms himself. Also aside from nanook's ping, I really do think he looks more civ than bad.

I made a point about him having already crossed the line but chances Sig was just feeling he was right on the whole MP debacle and faking that is a level of scumminess I'm not sure he'd go to. Honestly, I was also pretty bothered by that whole thing on MP's behalf. I tend to get emotional when I think someone else is being bullied.

I wanna sheep on Sloon's G-Man case. Wasn't suspecting G-Man that much but he wasn't a strong green either. Sloon makes good points. G-Man is saying a lot without commiting to anything.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 12:00 pm I can support pressure on G-Man here.

What’s the best point against g-man? What’s the best point in his favor?

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Which I never thought I’d be able to do
But then we looked at our notes
And hired our savior named boo.

Reviewing the Mac wagon, starting with Turnip Head:

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I don't think this is necessarily bad thing. Establishing town reads is the same thing as establishing a pool of suspects. Meh.

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This feels a little better, but on review I'm a little unsure of what is meant being referred to here. How exactly does one "reverse engineer" town reads? What does that mean?

Although I should admit that this post was somewhat influential in my eventual decision to vote for Mac. I don't know if I was thinking the same thing that TH is alluding to here, but I began to doubt the authenticity of Mac's big reads lists. It could have been the big puffed up content that, especially in a game like this, is created purely for the sake of credibility. I was wrong.

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I do not struggle to see this as believable paranoia. It's possible to manufacture a suspicion like this, but this opinion comes out of left field a bit, in such a way that feels authentic.

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This thought was the primary reason I voted for mac. I hated the ease of the sig wagon. Mac was the primary alternative (I tried to push Tony, but that was tough to do when my head is bumping into the ceiling).

TH's vote for Mac is not the worst thing ever, though I'm a bit skeptical of its foundation. If we can get an answer to that question I'll have a better sense of things.

Multiquote is so clean and efficient. This is my new favorite toy.

Mr Sig

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What's the opposite of playing grab ass? sig and mac seem hooked on doing this to each other every game (to hilarious results in the GoC).

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I do not like this antagonistic stance to The Thread at Large. sig has been decrying efforts to lynch sig since before anyone starting talking about lynching sig. We're all immediately discredited for suspecting him for reasons that have nothing to do with the present game. He's not allowing reads to develop organically against him. I raised this as the basis for suspicion at the outset of Day 1. I'm returning to it late in Day 2: I can see it as a defense mechanism from a player whose objective is survival as opposed to solving. (Alternatively, it's a defense mechanism from a player who's tired of being lynched. But that is a counterproductive mechanism if so). Bad look.

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Comprehensive reads list. Mac is in the bottom tier with nanook (who currently hints at information implicating sig, wild) and MP. He is "leery" on me as well but has not explained what that means. Reasoning is scant in this post.

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Reasoning is less scant in this post. There is an implication that MacDougall is only abrasive when he's mafia. That is certifiably wack.

ultimately sig's vote can be viewed through the lens of self-preservation, but he was also one of the most active antagonistic voices against Mac on Day 1. This doesn't seem like a very developed case, but I can't say there were many of those going around Day 1. Either way, it is difficult to really grasp the sincerity of the case/vote when there are only a couple of sentences exist to explain it. I am not whelmed.

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Mac is in the red BAD VIBES tier because "he keeps coming back to low-hanging fruit." I was confused by this accusation, so I went back to review. I assume it's referring to this post, but it is entirely unsatisfying to wave that away as "coming back to low hanging fruit" because it was tied into a larger theory about how the mafia team might react to this particular game:

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But even more crucial than that is that Mac was absolutely not harping on the "low-hanging fruit" options. One of his most extended exchanges of the day was with TH. Turnips are vegetables, and thus can't be low-hanging fruit. I also don't regard TH as an easy player to get lynched (despite what TH might say). There's also Mac's Power Rankings, which featured other names like MP, dunya, and Epignosis in the suspects tier. These are players that G-man knows well and knows to be the exact opposite of "low-hanging fruit." So at best this is a suspicion that I vehemently disagree with. At worst, it is a false and nefarious excuse to vote out a threatening player on Day 1.

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Yuck. I don't like anything about this vote. It's... almost gloating? But not about the vote itself, rather about the vote he's departing from, and reveling in the freedom that opens him up to pursue in his Mac vote.

I'm leaning heavily into my pre-existing G-man suspicion here. But these are the only two posts in which he mentioned Mac on Day 1 and I don't see them as painting a favorable angle. I have identified civilian versions of G-man in the past (I recently contributed to his mislynch in the GoC but I wasn't town and reveled in the freedom his self-vote opened up for me), but this looks like a different version of the letter G.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 2:41 pm i'm more concerned with all the people he town leaned on. TH, DDL, nutella and Russti. statistics says he's gotta have put a mafioso in there.

he was wordiest when talking about you. usually that's a good thing if he's mafia. like he wants to poke, but not poke enough to engage the dragon.

people he didn't mention at all are gman, tony and speed in that post. worth noting perhaps.

Are you assuming that sig is bad here?

I have not been keeping track of myself.
This is my eleventh post this phase
But I'm up to thirty these days,
So I'm less worried about clearing the shelf.

Anyway, here's dunya. Ctrl+F got a lot more hits on this one.

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The larger point here is skepticism of nutella, but Mac gets a direct defense as part of that. She doesn't explain why, but I think that's fine in the context of dunya.

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I asked the same question. Mac eventually answered. This exchange exists. I can do nothing with it.

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Legitimate prodding. I do not object to this post at all. She arrives at a suspicion of Mac (along with myself and nutella) here. That would indeed be a spicy hot team. Meaty, even.

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This post is more about me, but Mac gets a vote. That's not unfair, since I was nowhere near lynch viability. I had the same qualm with Mac's reads lists.

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These posts look open minded. Dunya has not passed final judgment on anything or anyone and is still asking questions. At any rate, her suspicion of Macdougall has come across as much more organic than either G-man or sig's. I give that a little less weight with dunya, though. I've seen the way she lies.

That's not to suggest we should start sounding the alarms here. I'm encouraged by all of this, but I'm less comfortable slapping a firm town reason on dunya than I would be for most players. That could in part just be because it's been so long since we were actually in a game together. This is a long winded way of saying I'm not currently interested in lynching dunya, but I'm wary of having that construed as "lock town".

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My exact thought process. I don't hate it.

dunya's vote looks the best of those I've looked at.

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