The Syndicate

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:19 pm [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Why?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:21 pm not getting an al flip hurts

Same with ted. A green flip on ted would all but clear Michelle.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:24 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:23 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:21 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:21 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:20 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:19 pm [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Why?

Reasons

if you have something mechanical just say it

He tried to kill someone

who? how do you know?

My role. I won’t say who just yet until nanook responds but it was one of the ???? who didn’t die

'One of the ???'? There's only one who didn't die. Unless I'm misreading it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:40 pm i see zero world where a wolfteam hit al_sama

Do vigs or 3P have the ability to make him flipless? (That's called janitor, right?)

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Apr 11, 2021 6:45 pm so if nanook is actually a vigilante who shot dom, then why did his action not go through? there are zero villagers who would protect dom

i hate you again

Or someone roleblocked nanook.

Nvm, @Hally, you just explained why that's not poss.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I had to miss a bunch of time on the thread, and was feeling anxious about what I'd miss, but coming back and seeing such an easy vote made me feel so much better. Thanks, @Gavial and @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME!

Did @staypositivefriend already explain why they're voting for Alison?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:45 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:40 am [VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I had to miss a bunch of time on the thread, and was feeling anxious about what I'd miss, but coming back and seeing such an easy vote made me feel so much better. Thanks, @Gavial and @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME!

wow I get no love for proving that Nook wasn't blocked?

Sorry, yes, that helps too.

Hally wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:16 pm i highly doubt wolves have additional kill power in the form of a vig though. they already each have a factional every night

it’s much more like nook is town kill power because, as we observed, we seemed to be lacking that and now we aren’t

there especially isn’t a wolf vig if there’s no town vig, so if no one cc’s nook as vig he’s just town

What's the likelihood of an SK in this scenario? I feel like probably not, with two wolf teams each getting a kill, but curious if it's a possibility.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 12:21 pm Did Nanook say whether he's one-shot or normal?

2-shot, I believe.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:16 pm

If agreed unanimously, the elimination can be hammered and the day cut short at the halfway mark.

Spoiler: show

@Long Con @Michelle @BoKnows @Oddmerta @Strawhenge @fingersplints @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Hally @Justplayingitcool @falcon45ca @Alison @KZA @staypositivefriend @Gavial @Esooa

I'm good with it.

Lol, the character it took two people to play was two characters.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:05 pm Well my ability is gone, so I may as well claim. I'm Barton Bixby. My ability was pretty cool, but the player (Al) I used it on died before my ability takes place, so now my ability is gone.

What was it?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:00 pm [VOTE: Strawhenge] aubergine


@Strawhenge this is a legitimate vote for compelling reasons and in no way an rng vote. I know you are mafia, tell me who your teammates are

1. I'd love to know your compelling reasons, @Oddmerta.

2. I'd love to know what RNG means.

3. I'm also feeling checked out of this game. First couple day/night phases were very high activity and now the slump has me feeling lethargic. I'm committed to finishing the game though. [borrow's JJJ's hat for a second] I encourage everyone to take space from the game when they need it; mafia burnout is real.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:44 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 am you will have to kill me before u ever touch KZA

ANSD I AM UNKILLABLE HAHAH

Does anyone else believe this "I'm unkillable" stuff?


[VOTE: VOTE ESSOA] aubergine

I've interpreted many of Esooa's posts as hyperbole, so no. Do you believe scum would make such an outrageous claim?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:58 amWho do you have in your POE?

Man, my head hasn't been in the game for over a day, so I'd have to refresh on things if I were to give accurate reads. But GTH, no particular order:

Long Con
Esooa
Oddmerta
JPIC
KZA

Long Con and Esooa are the only two in that list that I've really had my eye on, and the other three are more, like...process-of-elimination? Until the weird recent ambiguity about Alison and Oddmerta/KZA's conflicting trooper info, Alison has appeared pretty townish. Hally, SPF, and BK too. Nanook's vig claims and the odds that it's indeed a town vig. I guess maybe fingersplints could also be in that POE, and just be extremely under the radar? I dunno. Like I said, head's having trouble staying in the game.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:44 pm This day is so dissapointing, activity is so low after we succeed to eliminate scum, and is hard to realise who is just a demotivated villager (why would villagers be so demotivated, btw?) and who is slanking scum.

Of course, I have a name, and I will post it at the middle of the day.

'Have a name' as in you're going to claim your flavor, or 'have a name' as in you investigated someone?

Wait, Esooa started as a tree stump? So there never was a protect ability?

I'm extremely fucking confused.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:27 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:26 pm Wait, Esooa started as a tree stump? So there never was a protect ability?

I'm extremely fucking confused.

She can't be killed, she can protect and roleblock her target each night (basically a jailkeeper), except for one night where can choose just to protect them

Thats the claim @Esooa is making as I understand it, probably best to let it be

'Best to let it be'? That's one of the most ridiculously OP role claims I've heard in recent memory.

Now, I'm not saying it makes Esooa scum. Like I said, her posts have been consistently hyperbolic. So, the way I see it, either Esooa's being intentionally misleading, or we're all taking her erroneous claims seriously, or both. It warrants some questions, at least.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:26 pm I'm reasonably sure its best not to speculate too much on esooas role

She's very likely either town or town siding 3p and I don't really care about 3p at this stage of the game so


The claim I have more issue with is Alison's

What is the issue with Alison’s claim?

She seems to think Odd has the trooper abilities KZA has, and vice versa. Their claims contradict hers. That also warrants questions.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:32 pm Esooa is a tree stump that started as one and has at least one night action

I imagine that it would be considered a thoroughly unproductive gamble, but I have to admit that my impulse is to chop Esooa to test her claim.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:35 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:32 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:30 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:26 pm I'm reasonably sure its best not to speculate too much on esooas role

She's very likely either town or town siding 3p and I don't really care about 3p at this stage of the game so


The claim I have more issue with is Alison's

What is the issue with Alison’s claim?

She seems to think Odd has the trooper abilities KZA has, and vice versa. Their claims contradict hers. That also warrants questions.

Has she explained the contradiction?
Do you still feel ok about Odd and KZA claims?

I no longer feel okay about any of them. There is the possibility of a mod error, and the information was mistakenly swapped, but there's also a possibility that one party is lying.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:06 pm Well, I didn't expect so little curiosity

I was informed that Alison is guilty

When did you receive this info?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:18 pm I didn't receive the result now

When did you receive it?

Yeah, this would be a pretty desperate gambit for scum, especially in a low energy phase of the game. I don't really see how scum would benefit from making something up like that. My guess is something weird happened with night actions.

@Alison, @Oddmerta, please refresh my memory as to this busdriving claim?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:35 pm I mean look

Were almost definitely gonna kill mich first

If she flips cop we'll figure out what went wrong

But she has a check it looks impossible for her to have

I'm not sure if chopping Michelle is the go-to move here. Scum isn't in a desperate position in this game, and there's no real wagon going on right now. I really don't see why Michelle would just fakeclaim something like this if she's scum.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:58 pm Are we really debating whether we confirm Michele's red check on Alison by flipping Michele over Alison?

Yes, because there exists a real possibility they're both town.

Why are you suddenly so eager to kill someone and trying to dissuade discussion?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:07 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:58 pm Are we really debating whether we confirm Michele's red check on Alison by flipping Michele over Alison?

Yes, because there exists a real possibility they're both town.

Why are you suddenly so eager to kill someone and trying to dissuade discussion?

Sounds like a wolfy way to distract from a red check IMO

And your way sounds like a wolfy way to fast-track a town flip. I may be low-energy and confused out of my gourd, but I still wanna win the game.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:14 pmHow do you feel with Straw's suggestion we don't check Michele's red peek?

I'm not saying we don't check Michelle's red peek. I'm saying let's not wagon someone based solely on a disparity without thinking about what possibly went down.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:15 pmIt's a red peek.

Ya been reading the thread? There are some potential complications.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:20 pm undeclared faulty cops that don't know they're faulty are bastard because it's a host lie (ie. the host is lying that you receive the target's alignment when really you receive something else). I will pretend that isn't a possibility and if it leads me down the wrong path then so be it. from my perspective even if odd is roleblocked mich still outed a red check on a townie so something else is at play here.

something like a framer could be possible, but it doesn't make sense to target me with a framer role that night. maybe an "insanifier" that messes up the night results of whoever they target.

the last option is that mich is lying but I don't really see that as plausible.

Do we have proof that it was Sloonei who you were swapped with? Is it possible he swapped you with someone else who is a wolf?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:23 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:20 pm undeclared faulty cops that don't know they're faulty are bastard because it's a host lie (ie. the host is lying that you receive the target's alignment when really you receive something else). I will pretend that isn't a possibility and if it leads me down the wrong path then so be it. from my perspective even if odd is roleblocked mich still outed a red check on a townie so something else is at play here.

something like a framer could be possible, but it doesn't make sense to target me with a framer role that night. maybe an "insanifier" that messes up the night results of whoever they target.

the last option is that mich is lying but I don't really see that as plausible.

Do we have proof that it was Sloonei who you were swapped with? Is it possible he swapped you with someone else who is a wolf?

why on earth would wolf oddmerta swap me with one of his own buddies

Two wolf teams. Could've swapped you with someone he thought was on the other team.

@Alison, as the trooper, do you have any kind of proof of what Oddmerta did that night? Is there any reason to believe it was definitely Sloonei he swapped you with?

Oh holy shit, I think @staypositivefriend just cracked it wide open.

Sloonei chooses a wolf as his security detail.

Oddmerta swaps Sloonei with Alison.

Michelle checks Alison, which is really a check on Sloonei, which is really a check on whatever wolf he chose as security detail.

As fuck-bonkers as it is to say, this kinda makes sense.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:42 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:40 pm Oh holy shit, I think @staypositivefriend just cracked it wide open.

Sloonei chooses a wolf as his security detail.

Oddmerta swaps Sloonei with Alison.

Michelle checks Alison, which is really a check on Sloonei, which is really a check on whatever wolf he chose as security detail.

As fuck-bonkers as it is to say, this kinda makes sense.

a check isn't a negative action

God damn it.

I don't think that image is meant to be, Bo.

Ho-kay. So. Here are the possibilities with the Michelle claim that she red-peeked Alison:

A. Alison is scum. Michelle's claim went through.

B. Michelle is lying. Michelle pulled this out of the air for whatever reason.

C. A weird mech chain. Sloonei picks wolf as security detail, Oddmerta tried to bus Sloonei but bussed the wolf instead, swapping with Alison. Michelle checks Alison, but gets results for the wolf instead.

D. Oddmerta is lying. For some reason. I don't know.

Which do we think is the most possible outcome, with everything we've seen in this game so far?

E. None of this is real and I'm fucking imagining this game and you're all a part of my Beautiful Mind.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:07 pm 1) What has Odd done to earn our trust?

2) Why would Odd lie about bus-driving people?

1) Well, he casts aspersions on people, doesn't elaborate, then bounces. There's that.

2) Isn't busdriver a common scum power anyway, or am I misremembering that?

I dunno. Out of my multiple choice, I'm thinking along the lines of most likely C with a touch of B.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:42 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:38 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:06 pm I would also like to here @Oddmerta elaborate on this major strawhenge development.

Strawhenge, rng is random number generation

You're losing me here.

I think he's saying he picked me at random.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:45 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:43 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:42 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:38 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:06 pm I would also like to here @Oddmerta elaborate on this major strawhenge development.

Strawhenge, rng is random number generation

You're losing me here.

I think he's saying he picked me at random.

The dice told me to do it is a compelling reason

I mean, I guess that's technically fair.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:59 pm Should we just kill JPIC because tracker is obviously Hanzee

Gonna have to flesh this out for those of us who haven't seen the show.

I'm about to frustration-cry and confusion-cry, and I'm afraid what the clash of those two storm fronts is going to look like.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:52 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:47 pm I will reiterate Benjamin Schmidt is a bumbling idiot in the show and might be a wrong cop lol

that would be hilarious but also seems bastard

No offense to nova at all, but is nova known for making bastard games?

There's so much mech in this game that I can't trust anything either way.

@Esooa, you've claimed tree stump, essentially. And you claimed you 'started as such'. But you also claimed to be able to doctor Alison. Tree stumps classically don't have any other abilities—not even voting—except that they just can't die.

Even if your doctor role was 1-shot or x-shot, I'm having a lot of trouble believing this claim. Which part of your claims were you lying about, and why?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:59 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:58 am @Esooa, you've claimed tree stump, essentially. And you claimed you 'started as such'. But you also claimed to be able to doctor Alison. Tree stumps classically don't have any other abilities—not even voting—except that they just can't die.

Even if your doctor role was 1-shot or x-shot, I'm having a lot of trouble believing this claim. Which part of your claims were you lying about, and why?

I don't really care what you think about it

Well then, let's test it.

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

If you're town and want to win, stop us from wagoning an actual tree stump.

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:02 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:00 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:59 am

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:58 am @Esooa, you've claimed tree stump, essentially. And you claimed you 'started as such'. But you also claimed to be able to doctor Alison. Tree stumps classically don't have any other abilities—not even voting—except that they just can't die.

Even if your doctor role was 1-shot or x-shot, I'm having a lot of trouble believing this claim. Which part of your claims were you lying about, and why?

I don't really care what you think about it

Well then, let's test it.

[VOTE: Esooa] aubergine

If you're town and want to win, stop us from wagoning an actual tree stump.

I encourage it. My vote is on myself, see?

Then you don't want town to win.