The Syndicate

You're describing a tree stump with a 1-shot doctor and a 1-shot alien or whatever the hell it's called. That's utterly ridiculous, even in the mech hell we're living in. That, plus your anti-town attitude, is mindboggling if you're actually town.

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:03 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:59 pm How are they not

The flavor of this game has ceased to make sense to me
Lou is a deputy

Ben is a detective

I'm always wary of flavor-based suspicions. Do you think it's possible that nova blurred the definition of 'trooper' so a technical deputy and technical detective could fit into the game he designed?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:53 pm What do you think about team Longhenge here

I'd say it'd be a pretty bold move of Scumhenge to ISO his teammate and keep him in his POE up until the present. Why, did you roll your dice again?

Look, I'm happy to chop Long Con as well. As I've said, he's been in my POE for a while.

But @Alison and @Hally, y'all're gonna have to convince me how on Earth Esooa's reaction is townish. It was some of the most blatant scum behavior I've ever seen.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:30 pm can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?

Strongest townreads: Alison, Hally, tie between Michelle and you (SPF)

Preferred choption: Tie between Esooa (scummy reactions today) and Long Con (game-long POE for me).

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:33 pmWhy do we trust JPIC? Because he did a track? Hell, I can track, what are the chances of two town trackers?

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:44 pm why is LC just now CCing JPIC

Holy farts, what. @Long Con, you're just bringing this up now? When did JPIC claim tracker, D2?!

I'm bout to reach back to 2009 and do the Oprah meme where I go, 'And you get a sirengif! And you get a sirengif!'

Anyone else wanna drop some classic scum behavior two hours before EOD?

Jaysus, take the wheel.

I'm not done with you, Esooa, but [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:03 pm i would like to hear a case on long con that does not have to do with his role

Not about his role directly, but he sure couldn't make up his mind about what it actually was. And a late-ass counterclaim on JPIC's tracking role. He even mentioned JPIC's tracking role once, as if there was implicit trust there.

Two town trackers or not, I'd sure as fuck start asking questions if someone claimed a role that I also had.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:07 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:52 pm why are falcon/jpic town
JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia
Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure

In most other games, I totally feel you. But this is Mech Hell. There's so much weird shit going on and it's tying us all into a cat's cradle.

@staypositivefriend, why KZA?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:11 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:07 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:52 pm why are falcon/jpic town
JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia
Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure
In most other games, I totally feel you. But this is Mech Hell. There's so much weird shit going on and it's tying us all into a cat's cradle.
Strawhenge is probably bad, this post reeks.

What about that reeks? I'm confused as shit and don't know what I can trust and what I can't.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:15 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:11 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:07 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:02 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:52 pm why are falcon/jpic town
JPIC idk him and LC can both track...probably 1 wolf in there

Falcon is being weird with his vote again and has an unprovable claim might just be Mafia
Being "weird" is voting red checks, yet believing other player's claims with 0 evidence is A-OK....sure
In most other games, I totally feel you. But this is Mech Hell. There's so much weird shit going on and it's tying us all into a cat's cradle.
Strawhenge is probably bad, this post reeks.
What about that reeks? I'm confused as shit and don't know what I can trust and what I can't.
"Oh, everything is just SO confusing, I, I just have to vote Long Con, who happens to be the most suspected by other players!" What have you done that's towny in this game again?

Yeah, my suspicion of you is completely out of the blue, and you'll be able to find no evidence to the contrary in my ISO. Not a single post. Certainly not an ISO of you, and your name showing up in red in rainbow lists.

I don't know what LHF means. I'm assuming I won't like it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 5:47 pm The only reason I'd like to not get voted out today is that I'd love a chance to actually use my role. It's a little cooler than I have even let on [2-shot]. When I got this role I really thought I'd be able to make a difference and catch a wolf.

First it's a tracker, then it's a watcher, now it's 'a little cooler' than you've let on, and isn't 2-shot?

I'm dizzy.

God damn it.

Alright, who in the falcon votes are Long Con's scum buddies?

Off Topic

Now that it's Night, I wanna say something. Call it my legacy post in case I get NK'd.

Mafia burnout is real. Anyone who has played even one game knows this is true.

This game is a mech nightmare (an affectionate term, @novaselinenever, I'm sure you're running a real cool game, and I can't wait to see all the inner workings after endgame), and is therefore very confusing.

If you feel burned out but still want to play, please, do what I'm about to do, and take some space from the thread.

If you feel burned out but DON'T want to play—like, are advocating for your own death, self-voting, telling everyone you don't give a fuck anymore—the please, for the sake of those like me who want to see this game through, find a sub.

I know things can get spicy, but let's not ruin the game.

God damn it. God damn it, to LC being town and getting killed; god damn it, to more mech hell fuckery; god damn it to my confused-ass brain.

Okay, this is insane. Alison has four troopers at her disposal. Odd busdrives. LC tracks and watches and he's, what, also a 2-shot role cop? JPIC can maybe also track.
Masons. Esooa's tree stump that also has powers. A vig that's also a doctor. Everyone has multiple powers and they're all insane and unbelievable.

You guys wanna know what I can do? What fancy bullshit I have?

I can give someone a typewriter.

I can give.

Someone.

A typewriter.

A.

Fucking.

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:19 pm what does the typewriter do

The person I give it to can post a message through the host.

Yep. That's it. I don't also have busdriving alien trackerwatcher 2-shot bulletproof strongman vig powers like literally everyone else here.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, no. I gave it to someone else who didn't use it. God knows why. Or maybe God doesn't even know.

If someone were to claim they were a 10-shot bulletproof cop, rolecop, tracker, watcher, mason, innocent child, vig, and doctor rolled into one, I would have no logical recourse other than to believe it outright.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:22 pmso are you Rye or Skip

Skip Sprang, at your service. Can I offer you a typewriter in these trying times?

Warning: the typewriter might get roleblocked, redirected, bus driven, or abducted by fucking alien while out for delivery. Please sign this waiver.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 pm I don't get why you seem upset about lc dying at night, that's a good thing

I get upset when townies die at night. I also get upset when someone I was so sure was scum turns out to be town.

Why is LC dying a good thing to you, Nanook?

I’m on my phone right now, otherwise I would crawl the thread, but who the fuck claimed vanilla at the start of the game, and when are we going to call them out as a fucking liar.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:36 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:34 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 pm I don't get why you seem upset about lc dying at night, that's a good thing
I get upset when townies die at night. I also get upset when someone I was so sure was scum turns out to be town.

Why is LC dying a good thing to you, Nanook?
It clears the poe, and he was the only death. Thats a good night!

Oh I see what you’re saying. I thought you were glad a townie was dead and I was confused but what’s new.

Of course you have all those abilities. Are you sure you didn't leave out one or five?

Alright, show of hands, who here has the ability to protect someone? Even if it's x-shot.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 4:47 am
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:43 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Apr 15, 2021 3:30 pm can everyone in this game please name their three strongest townreads, and their preferred chop option today?
Strongest townreads: Alison, Hally, tie between Michelle and you (SPF)

Preferred choption: Tie between Esooa (scummy reactions today) and Long Con (game-long POE for me).
hmm

May I help you?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:56 am if odd is villager then he wasn't lying when he said that he swapped me and sloonei

which means that you did not peek me at any point in time

Forgive me if you've already addressed this somewhere in the thread, but if you can, please indulge me:

Imagine for a moment, even if purely hypothetically, that Odd isn't a villager. What would the play-by-play look like, throughout your interactions with him this game? Is it possible that he's scum and has manipulated you? Run us through a world where Odd is bad.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:10 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:56 am if odd is villager then he wasn't lying when he said that he swapped me and sloonei

which means that you did not peek me at any point in time
Forgive me if you've already addressed this somewhere in the thread, but if you can, please indulge me:

Imagine for a moment, even if purely hypothetically, that Odd isn't a villager. What would the play-by-play look like, throughout your interactions with him this game? Is it possible that he's scum and has manipulated you? Run us through a world where Odd is bad.

And, specifically, if Odd is bad, who are his teammates?

Maybe I'm blind but I'm only seeing two posts since SOD of people claiming they're voting for JPIC. Are his votes based on the fact that he claimed something similar to Long Con?

@KZA @Alison @Oddmerta

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:33 am It's safe to clear Odd for now.

If it's safe to clear Odd based on Michelle's peek, then it was safe to chop Allison on the previous day. That whole debacle proved that Michelle's peeks are—at the very least—not to be taken at surface value. There are so many role powers going around in this game that it's not impossible that Michelle's green peek wound up being someone else.

That's, like, the whole reason Alison is still alive.

Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia

That's another term I keep meaning to ask about: rand. What's 'above rand'? What's '=rand'? Help computer.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:05 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:59 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am I don't think jpic is above rand to be mafia
That's another term I keep meaning to ask about: rand. What's 'above rand'? What's '=rand'? Help computer.
Rand is random--as in, the chance that a given person rolled town/mafia

So above rand is higher than random, ie a read you're confident in, =rand is a read you're not confident in

Thankee-sai.

Why do think JPIC is not above rand, then?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:06 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:58 am Bo, is the JPIC wagon based on a similar roleclaim to LC? Do you think he's been scummy? He's been a scum-lean lean for me for a while, but after LC flipped green I've lost some faith in my ability to read.
That's why I'm voting for JPIC. Long Con had the counter claim to being a tracker and LC is green. In a game this size what are the chances there are two town trackers? Overall his game hasn't been super scummy, but it hasn't been towny. I haven't seen a JPIC post since the start of the game that pinged me town. His dissapearance lately isn't great either, iirc someone made a good meta read on that (I'll see if I can find it).

I remember that meta read, and it seemed reasonable. I have no concept of time anymore, so I don't know where in the 198 pages it could be.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:11 pm Also, dunno why im being voted out when I contributed in yeeting dom/gavial

Well, I mean, two mafia teams. The other team had just as much investment in yeeting Domvial as we did.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:14 pm We don’t even know it is multiball

bewilderment.gif

Why is this suddenly coming back into question?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:16 pm Have we seen a second mafia team flip?

I seem to recall several indicators that it's multiball, not the least of which is the night where three players were NK'd and there as an attempt on a fourth.

I thought this was universally acknowledged.

Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:21 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:20 pm Also literally one person didn't vote for Gavidom; voting for him dun't make anyone special.
It’s not about the vote but me tracking nook to dom which confirmed nook wasn’t blocked

That doesn't confirm that you're town.

JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?
Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?

I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.

Would you give us all the reasons why you doubt that this game is multiball?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:26 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:24 pm JPIC, right now, is your best argument that you're town because you tracked Nanook and the game might not actually be multiball?
Playing devils advocate and im in the ‘other team’, who are my partners?
I would have to read back through the entire thread, but GTH I'd say Esooa and Oddmerta.
Odd and myself are never partners together with how D1 went down. Try again

Refresh my memory.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:31 pm
Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:28 pm Would you give us all the reasons why you doubt that this game is multiball?
The main reason being that we haven’t seen a second mafia team flip is pretty compelling :wowee:

Okay, so in a 20-player game, how big is the scum team, and who's on it? Is there a 3P? Who's your strongest read for the 3P?

Are 4:1 or 5:1 town:scum ratios common on The Syndicate? That seems steep, even with all the mech.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:51 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:49 pm
Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:44 pm Did JPIC track Nanook to Dom?

When Dom/Gav role takes a hit the whole KC Mafia know about it, could be an opportunity to get some town cred off of a doomed teammate.
How do you know this?
I read Dom's rolesheet

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:02 pm
@Gavial [The Kitchen Brothers] has been eliminated.

" "
The Kitchen Brothers

[Passive] - The silent enforcers of the Kansas City Mob, the Kitchen Brothers do everything in pairs. They have two lives, they have 2 votes, and each night they may perform their actions twice. A day elimination consumes both lives, and the double-action doesn't affect the factional kills. If they lose a life, they will also lose their extra vote and actions.

[Passive] - The Kitchen Brothers will always clean after themselves and janitor their target if they perform the factional kill.
--- [Identical Twins] - If they perform the factional kill, they will not be seen visiting the target. [2-shots]

[Active] - Each night, the Kitchen Brothers may target a player and give them a beating. They will role-block them for the night. If they target the same player twice in a row, they will disable any passive they have the second night and drain their vote the following day.

Wincon - Eliminate all threats to the Kansas City Mafia

'Night' 3 starts.
Day 4 starts in 24 hours.

I'm not seeing anything about the KC knowing about Domvial taking a hit.

Jinx.

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