The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:56 pm Kate seems much more worried about Kate’s credibility than Dennis, for some reason

Kates supreme confidence in how civvie she looks is a civ tell for her. She doesn't think she needs to be concerned; this is part of why I believe her. She can't fake that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:37 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:07 pm Does anyone want to speak for Kate's credibility

I still think that one between Kate/Porscha makes sense.

I'm starting to think it's Kate due to Porscha coming around on me.

Also I don't think it's out of reason that SVS and Kate are teammates. Someone more educated than me tell me why this is incorrect.

I could see how you might think it’s me due to the WWA thing more so than Kate. She’s been solving, I’ve been sulking in a corner making very occasional points.

I mean, I agree with this.

But I also agree with Mac on Dennis.

If everyone was like, hey let's yeet SVS then I'd move to your wagon.

I don’t plan on voting you today. I am not as sure of Dennis’ civvieness as Kate is. And you do what works for you!

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:28 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 5:56 pm Kate seems much more worried about Kate’s credibility than Dennis, for some reason

Yea, well I'm civ and it drives me nuts when I can't get that across.

Dennis is 90% civ. Don't vote him.

I asked you before maybe you missed it. Or maybe I missed it if you answered.

Why do you think Wilgy is bad?

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:31 pm Is anyone actually here other than kate cause it would suck to die right now I really don't feel like it

Why do yo think Wilgy is bad?

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 17, 2023 6:37 pm The chance that my wagon is pure is like 20% I'm like 80% sure wilgy is bad

He has not given an actual read this entire game, all of his posts have been wagonomics and he didn't even look at novoters

Mac is town and the other 2 said somewhere they're sheeping Mac which might need attention, might not thats up to you all

If you mean a reads *list*, no he hasn't. But I'm not finding fault with his analysis which, although it's flawed becasue it doesn''t take human nature into account (which is why I don't like wagonomics and take it with a grain of salt), the important thing is that *Wilgy* takes it seriously.

And that's it? It's nothing specific that he did, just what he didn't?

And I didn't ask about those other people, i was interested in whether you voted for Wilgy as self preservation (which is 100% valid) or if you had a reason.

I have had multiple concerns with you this game, as I am sure you know. But I could be wrong, and Kate is SO SURE.

So I won't be voting for you, but i don't plan to vote to save you as my internal scale is leaning to Wilgy being more likely town than you, based on thread.

@Kate I absolutely watched him in Meta. Thats kinda why I don't strongly feel he's bad here.

Of all people for the hand of fate to point to fml

@DrWilgy , Dennis said you hadn’t put out any reads and he wasn’t wrong.

Two of our number are bad presuming a 3 person bad team; who do you think they are?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:30 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:22 pm WHAT UP, BAGELFILES?

I’m here from a different dimension. Once again, town needs some help. I haven’t read anything.

Who wants to catch me up?

Oh thank dog.

The rest of us appreciate this, I’m sure.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 8:08 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:22 pm WHAT UP, BAGELFILES?

I’m here from a different dimension. Once again, town needs some help. I haven’t read anything.

Who wants to catch me up?

I'd say I keep finding myself in agreement with Mac's reads. Neon seems to be town and you can probably trust that slot if you wanna ISO someone. I'm horrendously uninformed but have come to the conclusion that it's in you, Kate, SVS.

Why does Neon “seem” to be town? Can you extrapolate on that?

Although, and I’ll be 100% honest here, I’m on the verge of not caring. Mac, and then you, posting analyses and every possible combo and it’s likelihood based on wagonomics (which I find to be overrated) and enough wifom to choke a pony … well, my brain has been semi melted. The WIM Has been sucked out of me.

I’m going to vote for the person I most think in my heart is bad, and that’s Mac. Maybe you’re his teammate maybe it’s someone else.

But it isn’t me and I really don’t think it’s Kate either.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:29 pm Kate and SVS die now. There is no further debate. There is no wolf team that allows them to openly thread mason for 5 phases and not fire into them. There is no world in which they are town anymore.

Everyone else is town. Let's end this game now.

LOL OK

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2023 11:29 pm Kate and SVS die now. There is no further debate. There is no wolf team that allows them to openly thread mason for 5 phases and not fire into them. There is no world in which they are town anymore.

Everyone else is town. Let's end this game now.

LOL OK

That was disrespectful, sorry. Time for a short one before work.

I have felt off about you almost the whole game, every since you directly lied about something, and then blew it off. But i let it slide becasue "Mac the GOAT" etc maybe intimidated me a bit. But all you seem to have done all game is carry on about me and/or Kate being bad, then drop it, then bring it up, then drop it and vote for someone else, then repeat. And make a shit ton of confusing player soup posts about all the possibilities. Yada yada.

So yeah, I went and did some short reading in other threads, and I don't think you're town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:21 pm If Wilgy is bad, can SVS be his partner? That's your question Kate?

If you are town, I think SVS is basically outed and her partner is most likely to be Scotty of the remaining options but without further due diligence I have no reason to eliminate the possibility that Wilgy is with SVS beyond the reason I'm townreading Wilgy independently.

Why cant you accept that we have multiple tells on each other? The thing that’s holding this game up is the inability to accept this. We’ve spent this whole game on this topic.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:28 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:26 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:21 pm If Wilgy is bad, can SVS be his partner? That's your question Kate?

If you are town, I think SVS is basically outed and her partner is most likely to be Scotty of the remaining options but without further due diligence I have no reason to eliminate the possibility that Wilgy is with SVS beyond the reason I'm townreading Wilgy independently.

Why cant you accept that we have multiple tells on each other? The thing that’s holding this game up is the inability to accept this. We’ve spent this whole game on this topic.

Because

You

Or

Kate

Would

Be

Dead

By

Now

In

All

World's

If

You

Were

Both

Correct

Town

Especially

When

I

Stopped

Pushing

You

Yesterday

Quoting this for posterity and vindication when this is over.

Quoting it twice cause it’s astonishing how much time, effort and tbh fun we’ve wasted on this bullshit.

Also at Scotty, you’ve hosted us as civs twice and saw our dynamic up close.

I am disappoint

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:44 pm Also at Scotty, you’ve hosted us as civs twice and saw our dynamic up close.

I am disappoint

Playing the ‘you should remember how we’ve played before’ card doesn’t work on me, David Blaine.

My detailic memory is shit and I’m spacing on that.

Regardless, I’m looking at vote sampling and my vote sampling tells me one of you or mac is bad from the D1, unless all mafia were Mia.

Interesting. that's part of why I voted like I did today. And I don't know about your memory, you always seem pretty on the ball that way to me

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:06 am Based on how D4 shook down, the ONLY way I can see Wilgy as bad is if Mac is his partner.

Ok, time to finally look through Mac’s iso

In retrospect, I do recall you saying something to that effect regarding memory before, but I guess I maybe thought is was a self deprecating kinda thing? So basically your memory has trained itself to serve its' purpose without becoming over jammed with info you don't really need. Not unlike how, in High School, I read my chemistry chapters aloud and played them back pretty much all the time to cram for my finals. I did OK, but completely forget it all like literally the next day. Point taken, and I won't poke you about this point again.

Have fun with that ISO, and let me know if you think I'm mischaracterizing anything

Before TS, like Lostpedia days, maybe. I do recall thinking she was bad when she wasn’t but not the other way around. Sometimes it takes me a bit of time to see what I’m looking for, and once I do it’s locktown.

I think she can tell with one or two posts? She told me one of my tells once and she was spot on. So I got rid of perfect multiple emoji placement.

I may have misread her as civ in SWord of Truth on the Piano, so maybe 2010 or 11? But that was a huge game with 5 or 6 factions, and I was super involved in that games civ BTS aspect.

I was trying to get my team to kill her in GOC basically as soon as day one started.

Y’all do realize if we’re lying about this for one game, where it has become a point of contention, no one would ever listen to our reads on each other again?

Kate is more competitive than I, and has more win drive than I do. But I doubt she’d risk the long term value of this to win one game. I know I wouldn’t. I was practically crying to Seanzie on our evil chat in GOC cause I thought she was mad at me ha ha

I didn’t understand why TSP was killed tbh. I expected Kate to be killed that night.

And yes it’s limiting, but it just “is”. I’m not sure how we could stop doing it, lol.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:31 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:26 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:15 pm Y’all do realize if we’re lying about this for one game, where it has become a point of contention, no one would ever listen to our reads on each other again?

Kate is more competitive than I, and has more win drive than I do. But I doubt she’d risk the long term value of this to win one game. I know I wouldn’t. I was practically crying to Seanzie on our evil chat in GOC cause I thought she was mad at me ha ha

While I do feel like you’re both limiting yourselves if you’re that easy to spot by the other, you both know each other and godreads can just happen. My wife KNOWS when it’s my fart or the dog’s. EVERY TIME.

It's a very similar phenomenon

Awesome we smell like dog farts

Please resolve me. I'm fucking done.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:20 pm You still lock townread SVS?

And vice versa.

And STILL won't explain it! Either of you.

And you STILL haven't answered my questions from yesterday.

We're very good friends and have multiple tells on each other; we started playing together in 2009 for Gods sake, in a forum where every game was a 30 player role madness game. That's the explanation. She had me as bad the first day in GOC. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept.

But you do you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:20 pm You still lock townread SVS?

And vice versa.

And STILL won't explain it! Either of you.

And you STILL haven't answered my questions from yesterday.

We're very good friends and have multiple tells on each other; we started playing together in 2009 for Gods sake, in a forum where every game was a 30 player role madness game. That's the explanation. She had me as bad the first day in GOC. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept.

But you do you.

Why haven't you two been voting together?

Why aren't you listening to her townread on me and voting with her?

Because we can read each other; we don’t have a mind meld. Just because I know she’s civ doesn’t mean I think she’s right all the time.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:20 pm You still lock townread SVS?

And vice versa.

And STILL won't explain it! Either of you.

And you STILL haven't answered my questions from yesterday.

We're very good friends and have multiple tells on each other; we started playing together in 2009 for Gods sake, in a forum where every game was a 30 player role madness game. That's the explanation. She had me as bad the first day in GOC. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept.

But you do you.

Why haven't you two been voting together?

Why aren't you listening to her townread on me and voting with her?

Because we can read each other; we don’t have a mind meld. Just because I know she’s civ doesn’t mean I think she’s right all the time.

Question was not directed to you.

My question for you is why aren't you pleading with your top townread to vote me out if you really think I'm mafia?

Because she thinks what she thinks, and I am ok being yeeted. This has ceased to be fun for me, and although it is disrespectful to the host to say so, this has ceased to be fun for me.



Good luck civs!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:54 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:31 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:20 pm You still lock townread SVS?

And vice versa.

And STILL won't explain it! Either of you.

And you STILL haven't answered my questions from yesterday.

We're very good friends and have multiple tells on each other; we started playing together in 2009 for Gods sake, in a forum where every game was a 30 player role madness game. That's the explanation. She had me as bad the first day in GOC. Not sure why this is so hard for you to accept.

But you do you.

Why haven't you two been voting together?

Why aren't you listening to her townread on me and voting with her?

Because we can read each other; we don’t have a mind meld. Just because I know she’s civ doesn’t mean I think she’s right all the time.

Question was not directed to you.

My question for you is why aren't you pleading with your top townread to vote me out if you really think I'm mafia?

Because she thinks what she thinks, and I am ok being yeeted. This has ceased to be fun for me, and although it is disrespectful to the host to say so, this has ceased to be fun for me.



Good luck civs!

Ugh its such an annoying cop out when you people this. I've been spending all damn phase trying to understand you and all I get is just trust me and ridicule and now you're giving up. It puts the entire onus on me and is not in the spirit of towning to do this.

You don't even begin to understand how frustrating it is when you act like you know more than anyone, are 100% wrong, refuse to even consider it, and then say things like that. "you people".

It isn't in the spirit of towning to refuse to even consider that something in front of your eyes can be so. Two people who know each other super well can read each other.

I am getting frustrated to the point of being a detriment to the game, and to the game this host wanted to have, and I believe that at that point, the correct course of action is to remove myself from the thread.

Sorry you had to waste your day on me.

GG woofs, I was town reading Porscha right up until after I died. And I tend to discount my own opinion on Neon because she's hard for me to read.