The Syndicate

No.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:05 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:05 pmNo.

I guess that's why I said apparently.

So it would seem.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:12 pm I have a hard time swallowing this whole "if sig is bad how is he getting landslided without resistance?" thing when yesterday he lost an 8 vote advantage.

Do you think all 8 of them were his baddie teammates who had voted for him, then switched to another lynch?

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:16 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:12 pm I have a hard time swallowing this whole "if sig is bad how is he getting landslided without resistance?" thing when yesterday he lost an 8 vote advantage.

Do you think all 8 of them were his baddie teammates who had voted for him, then switched to another lynch?

Yes.

You think he had 8 baddie teammates? No you don't, lol.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:18 pm Yes I literally do.

linki- he denied being the ninja

You think there are 8 baddies on one team? Do both teams have 8 baddies each?

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:17 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:14 pm SVS and I see eye to eye very often which makes me whenever we have a strong disagreement.

What do people think of SVS? Her response to my silly vote on her seemed like it could be a baddie faking nonchalance.

She vouched for Kyle, which was good. Otherwise ehh.

That's funny because I was thinking the same thing about you.

I hope Sloonei isn't trying to arrange a DVD on me

Lol autocorrect CFD

I will look in now and then to make sure sigs 8 teammates don't switch their votes to me. Otherwise I am baking Christmas cookies.

And @Sloonei I really WAS nonchalant

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:11 pm Colin
DDL
Epi
SVS
sabie
timmer

@colonialbob @Dana @LoRab @Epignosis @sabie12 GTH, three of them are bad. Which ones?

At least you didn't ask Jack and Sloonei.

Linki@ Sloonei Claus

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:42 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:11 pm Colin
DDL
Epi
SVS
sabie
timmer

@colonialbob @Dana @LoRab @Epignosis @sabie12 GTH, three of them are bad. Which ones?

DDL
SVS
Sabie

Then you should vote for one of us. I would recommend sabie

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:52 pm SVS, Colonialbob, Colin and Enrique. I would invite you to get on my level and help me solve this game properly because you're the only four players I actually trust here. I feel like the game is being controlled by dark forces. I don't trust Jack in the slighest, nor do I trust DharmaHelper and I would implore you to work together and ignore the ramblings of the lunatic fringe controlling this game.

OK, I'm there.

But Enrique and Bob would fail my GTH at this point. I have to go check the first crossover game that Bob played, he is acting exactly here as he did there (looking at me like I'm from outer space on my reads ) and I want to see if he was bad or not in that game. I don't trust Jack either. I see in another post you said you felt better about Colin than Bob. Me too. I have to go over your full list later, I have to get ready for work. Enrique seems to disagree with me on everything, and as he said, that is not what I expect from Enrique. And lets just say I am not an easy person to pin down at night, so I have been playing a pretty overtly civ game (if not as active as I could be) and I have been waiting for baddies to start with the little "SVS=bad" posts and they started last night. Sloonei and Jack. Enrique joined in, but he seemed more peripheral. Still not sure if bad, or just misguided.

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:48 am from this point onwards i declare myself wholly responsible for the future of the town. my performance will be the performance of the town. it is officially so.

After sigs lynch, my confidence in you as town leader, already not high, has diminished. I just hate that you are blaming him for his own lynch when he, and others, tried to fight it, becasue he refused to role claim. Weak. The only real caveat I have is that I don't see you being so implacable and relentless as a civ. I did not see much in the way of equivocation until:

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:29 pm If sig is the ninja and he just straight up denied it when the whole thread wanted to lynch him, I don't usually say this about civs getting lynched but he 100% deserved it lol. For now we're getting rid of this probable baddie and moving on.

~~~

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:54 am Hypothetically, let's say I knew who has been hanging out with each other at night in BTSC ... would me posting that info be okay because infodumping, or not okay because map coordinate shenanigans?

Not that I am saying that, just curious.

@Long Con ?

After LoRabs death, if this be true, is your trust list the same? Rhetorical question, based on host answer to your question. I did not much trust LoRab, but I did not have an active distrust for her either.

I work today, but will be home this evening.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:00 am Town

ColonialBob
Sloonei
Colin
SVS
Sabie
Enrique

Claimed Indies

Epi
DH
Quin

Suspected Indies

insertnamehere

Suspects

Dana
Dragon D. Luffy
Jackofhearts2005
Sorsha
speedchuck
sprityo
timmer
Tranq

Firstly, does anyone have good information that any of the people who are in the town core should not be?

Secondly, am I missing any indie claims?

Thirdly, does anyone have any good information that might clear any of these suspects?

Does anyone disagree with that POE suspect pool?

I would switch Tranq and INH. INH felt more faux to me during that whole thing.

I don't trust Sloonei based on his weaksauce effort to push suspish at me over being too "nonchalant". As I said in my last post, this is something I have been waiting for. I did not expect it to come from Sloonei. I expected Enrique, sabie or jack. I still don't see sabie as civ.

OK, really gotta go, lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:44 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:37 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:00 am Town

ColonialBob
Sloonei
Colin
SVS
Sabie
Enrique

Claimed Indies

Epi
DH
Quin

Suspected Indies

insertnamehere

Suspects

Dana
Dragon D. Luffy
Jackofhearts2005
Sorsha
speedchuck
sprityo
timmer
Tranq

Firstly, does anyone have good information that any of the people who are in the town core should not be?

Secondly, am I missing any indie claims?

Thirdly, does anyone have any good information that might clear any of these suspects?

Does anyone disagree with that POE suspect pool?

I would switch Tranq and INH. INH felt more faux to me during that whole thing.

I don't trust Sloonei based on his weaksauce effort to push suspish at me over being too "nonchalant". As I said in my last post, this is something I have been waiting for. I did not expect it to come from Sloonei. I expected Enrique, sabie or jack. I still don't see sabie as civ.

OK, really gotta go, lol.

Sabie and Sloonei appear to have been somewhat cleared by sig. I am sure that he lie detected a post that actually properly clears them.

Did he? I will trust you on that, I have not read back over sig. It's been a busy week irl.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:32 am Also @S~V~S why Enrique, I'm getting strong town comes from him.

I can't really explain, I just don't trust him. As he said, he and I tend to think along the same lines in games. And everything he says makes me go, "Hmmm". Then there is a thing that happened in a time and place we don't really discuss. It's not info, but it is a thing that made me go "hmmm". Nothing strong enough that I have tried to case him, but enough of a thing that I won't take what he says as Gospel, but with a grain of salt instead.

I saw your other post, and yes, I looked back at that game and you were a civ. I was super frustrated that game, I called Jack bad from maybe his second, maybe even first,post, and everyone spent the whole game blowing me off, and this game has the same feel. I am sad that sig, and his role, dies, but glad that he was able to clear some stuff up for us.

I have to do some stuff, then I will be here for the evening.

Voting "Sheol" in solidarity with LoRab, let's hope she wasn't civ (I could go either way on that). Be safe out there in DHs hellscape. Woo Hoo!

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 4:59 pm According to the OP poisoning doesn't kill you directly it just makes you get votes.

What did you think of G Man, and did his flip as a civ surprise you?

I don't believe the parts about Mac, [mention]Epignosis[/mention] , and if you are right, I am an idiot and people are laughing at me RIGHT THIS SECOND. I do, however, think you have some good points otherwise. Bad Sorsha always has a slow start, and I agree re Speedchucks RIPs.

This whole alliance thing is making me tense though because I can't say I trust all of the people in the circle of trust.

I am so far trusting in Sigs info as Sloonei flipped civ, I am civ. I am conflicted about Sabie, but will go with it for now.

I think G Man was the Hollow Man, I had another person in the yin/yang role, and I am not sure how I could be wrong about it, although anything is possible. I have to catch up a bit, I just checked my mentions and skimmed. Sorry about last night (heh) I had a last minute movie night invite.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I have no interest in becoming the heir to any thing, much less some sort of townie leadership. I am only caught up by the skin on my teeth and go off on tangents, I am the worst possible town leader. You're freaking me out a bit. If you are bad, as Epi says, that post was the closest I came to believeing it.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:13 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 5:00 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:56 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:45 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:15 am @Dana might be the Kraken. Can anyone counterclaim this? I am disappointed, and now i have no reason to trust her.

I am not the Kraken but I think you might be. Why are you disappointed, because I didn't trust your "meet me in the alley" tactic? Sorry but that seemed a little too sketchy for me. Tell me, how did you know where I was?

dana waited until the day after the question this info wow get yourself a baddie right here folks

It was a little difficult for me to question things when I couldn't really talk yesterday.

this aint gonna fly when we all know all you had to do yesterday was cough at the end of every post

This ^^

[mention]Dana[/mention], You had said you only played one bad game. I recall when you first started, you and another young lady started at about the same time. One was on my bad team, and she did not even show up, she just gave up day one. Said she hated being bad and refused to play. Was that you, or was that someone else? I don't recall the game, or I would look it up. I have been BOTD with you partially because of that, but I have been thinking about it, and I am thinking it wasn't you.

linki, Someone brought him back, maybe?

Yeah, voting DDL.

[VOTE: Dragon D Luffy] aubergine

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:56 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:53 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:35 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:30 am I still don't trust Sig's result.

[VOTE: Sig] aubergine

Lol yeah u bad

Link: WAIT SIG IS ON THE POLL

WHAT IN THE WIDE WORLD OF SPORTS IS GOING ON HERE

I mentioned that earlier I was like wait sig is back did I miss something? I wonder if he will actually come back and talk to us.

He's on both the alive and the dead list so

I would await clarification from hosts. I know in the past, I have accidentally used an old list in error for the poll. Although in this post cataclysm world, who knows

Maybe he's a Zombie or other "both dead and alive" critter. That would be fun and in keeping with the "burning in hell" theme.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:55 am
sig died and went to hell.

Which, based on the last night poll, is pretty much, um, here.

In future games, I will NOT be voting for Cataclysm, like ever. BUT this was an interesting experiment in what can happen if you make the worst possible choices.

Linki @ Epi, in the past discussion of certain topics was strictly verboten. Like you couldn't even allude to certain topics at all, much less specifics. Bad things happened to people who even brought things up. I experienced this myself in a very direct way.

If that is still the case, I am watching Sorshas fate.

Revoted.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:57 pm
If I had to put them in order of how i feel just from this (ranking in blocks is arbitrary, what matters is the differences between blocks):

1. Dana/Timmer/Jack
2. Tranq
3. sprityo

4. Sorsha
5. speedchuck

I am not sure if your list is "Most Likely Teammate" to Least Likely, or the opposite. (I cut out the quotes as it was kinda big with them)

I think Tranq and TH are unlikely teammates, I don't see either of them fake distancing. This feels more to me like the two of them feeling each other out, and that would make sense to me. If they are both bad, Tranq would be a Jagged Blade.

The Sorsha thing, I dunno. I only see him doing that if she had not shown up in chat, but she would have to go to the site to see him tagging her, so meh.

The rest of them are either people I don't read or know well, or null interactions.

TH played a careful Day One imo. I doubt that whoever killed him thought he was bad, they would have tried to lynch him if they did. He was making someone tense, and I plan to reread him to see if I could suss out who.

I want to reread Juliets, too.

*Holiday Plans* Tomorrow I am hosting two of my brothers, from about noon to maybe 9. Then On Christmas, I will be around till around 2, then off to the parents.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:29 am We'll have the lynch tonight, and then have a 48-hour night to carry us over Christmas. I hope that works for everybody. I'm sorry if that, or any other things in the game, aren't working out for you. I hope some people are still having fun out there.

That's a good idea. Thank You and Merry Christmas

Dana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:42 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 23, 2018 9:39 am @ Dana, You had said you only played one bad game. I recall when you first started, you and another young lady started at about the same time. One was on my bad team, and she did not even show up, she just gave up day one. Said she hated being bad and refused to play. Was that you, or was that someone else? I don't recall the game, or I would look it up. I have been BOTD with you partially because of that, but I have been thinking about it, and I am thinking it wasn't you.

linki, Someone brought him back, maybe?

No, the only time I was bad was with llama, and I think it was a very short game. I didn't really like being bad but I wouldn't refuse to play due to it, I am just not very good at it. I started with a friend named made but I don't think he was bad in our first game either. I don't remember anyone else starting around the same time as me, but it's definitely possible, there's much more to this site than just what I've seen.

I did not think it was you, that person came from another site, but I was not 100% sure. I remember you being a lower key player in general, but I was thinking if you were that person there was no way you were bad. But since you were not, you have gone back to null for me.

Yay that DDL was bad as expected, and his flip as Portalman makes sense. For *reasons* I thought he and Luna were possibly yin/yang, and when she flipped as one of the pair, I was sure it was so. So when G Man flipped as the other, I thought he could be Hollow Man, but this makes sense too, for what I thought.

Merry Christmas to all who Celebrate!

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:55 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:36 am Yay that DDL was bad as expected, and his flip as Portalman makes sense. For *reasons* I thought he and Luna were possibly yin/yang, and when she flipped as one of the pair, I was sure it was so. So when G Man flipped as the other, I thought he could be Hollow Man, but this makes sense too, for what I thought.

Hollow Man appears as civ when lynched or checked, not when NK'd. Could be the secret part of the role i guess.

Who do you trust?

You know how closely I read the role details. Not very.

I am in the middle of reassessing my reads. Early on, I laid some very very clear LD statements down in the thread, primarily to give clarity to a friend, but also because I pretty much always do that in a game with a LD because I tend to draw suspicion. Mac had been pushing suspicion at me, and then he stopped during the time I was doing this, and made a remark along the lines of he was just teasing because he was amused by the way I react to suspicion. I thought he could be the LD due to that. And I pretty much stopped making overt LD statements at that point.

With sig flipping that way, I need to reassess. I still feel somewhat good about Mac and his reads, but I am not feeling the people HE trusts. I also did not love his post about making me some kind of civ leader, it felt quite a bit like buddying. I feel better about you than about INH still (I don't necessarily agree with the "if one of you is good both are good" line of thinking). I still think you sounded much more sincere than he did.

At this point I can't say that I trust anyone at all. I am feeling the paranoia, to be sure. As I said, I have to do some reassessment.

"Bonus" sounds more positive than the others (unless it means Bonus elementals or firespouts or explosions) so voting that.

No. Hush, you.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:28 pm We also need a LRH® succession plan. Personally I favour SVS for it but I am happy for anyone to self nominate for the role.

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:15 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:42 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:58 pm Jack might be a better rez option than nutella. Soz.

Why not sig?

Jack is probably better protected and more in tune with the game. Don't know the specifics of his role but he seemed pretty damn powerful.

What does "more in tune with the game" mean?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:05 pm why arent you guys voting to fix the cataclysm

Good thought.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:33 am I think Tranq is the Dark Worshipper and I think he killed Lorab and Sorsha. I also think he has been trying to lure Dana to him so he can sacrifice her to finish his weird ass win con.

I have no idea who killed Sorsha but I think Enrique killed Lorab. Him flipping as he did sorted things out for me.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:32 am One of those roles is dead.
Dream Splicer got lynched Day 1.
LC's Christmas Lynch post confirmed D'Abrutsi alive.

You read too much into the posts. D'Abrutsi was Nutella.

Also Juliets role sounded pretty good, and it wasn't. She was most def bad. Portalman didn't sound particularly sinister, either. I would be leery of lynching people based on role descriptions.

I gotta say I am not loving people lying about being alone. I have not spoken directly to anyone but the host since Night 2.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:58 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:32 am One of those roles is dead.
Dream Splicer got lynched Day 1.
LC's Christmas Lynch post confirmed D'Abrutsi alive.

Nutella was Hollow Man all along?

No becasue she was not lynched, she was NKed.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:45 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 4:01 am

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 3:04 am Hey Mac how did you know DH and Jack were chilling?

The important thing is that I do.

How about you know this because DDL, who said he had BTSC with Jack, told his baddie teammates (meaning you) about Jack having BTSC with DH. Does this make sense?
@DharmaHelper what do you think of this?

Anything is possible. As I said, plenty of people are claiming that they know the location of certain people and everyone else but me seems to be ignoring that the majority of people in the game that can do that are bad

No, not necessarily. I may have some limited location services (nothing like broadband) and I am not bad. Plus you can't tell if someone is bad by their name; look at Juliets. Plus there could be non role related ways to accomplish this, yes?

Recruited yet?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:27 am TBH I'm starting to wonder if I'll ever get recruited.

I would not tell the names of my teammates to someone whose win condition rotated.

I don't know that his current win con is incompatible with mine. I do know that the baddies ARE incompatible with my win con.

The Lovely Black Rock said:

The Civvies must eliminate both baddie teams to win. Civvies who are not alive at the game's end will be able to claim this particular Win Condition.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:58 pm The Corrupt Remnant have been brilliant. One died by our hand, one by the info of a lie detector. The other two will win if you don't leave me alive long enough to help you.

Did I miss where the hosts said there were four on a team?

The town's only win con is all baddies dead.

Silencing DH? He must have been making sense.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:32 pm I also want to express that I think highly of Mac for his play overall, regardless. He fought when he could fight. I respect that and always will.

I thought he was civ till sig flipped the role I thought Mac was.

And I can confirm they killed TH.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:40 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:58 pm I'm willing to risk it. Even without Epi's stuff there's Jack's info on sig/sprityo/speedchuck as would-be DH killers, my vote is already on speedchuck.

As of right here I'm down with the Chuck.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Continuing to catch up.

It's a fun read.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:25 pm 9. I am asking you to let me live til I am the last Mafia standing to give me long enough to maybe find a benign 3p win con. Which I already have been searching for and have a clue on how to find.

Kill a Corrupt Remnant tonight and I'll fully support you on this.

This is where I am at.

Yeah, I have killed or seriously maimed teammates by accident. I would be a very poor adventuring partner apparently.

And Speedchuck is back/never really left? Oh Mac.

Voting for Acceleration.

So I guess all that jazz yesterday was just bullshit. Good to know.

Yes, you're right. I guess I just did not expect typical bwa ha ha outed baddie schtick about who he should and shouldn't NK. I am disappoint.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:35 pm Yes, you're right. I guess I just did not expect typical bwa ha ha outed baddie schtick about who he should and shouldn't NK. I am disappoint.

I am disappointed in how double basic you seem to be. DharmaHelper is the best con artist on the entire site. Why would you listen to him?

I'm not listening to him, I figured this out on my own. I wasn't referring to you rezzing Chuck, you're right there. Anyone would have done that. I was referring to your, "should I kill Colin or not?" thing.

I am not sure how I feel about your story about finding a win con and trying to buy time. But dude, that post about talking about killing Colin. I, in all seriousness, made a pouty was face when I saw it.

I could visualize your avatar rubbing his hands together and twirling air mustachios, lol.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:53 pm Maybe the amulet was part of a prophecy, did you think of that before you silenced me for no reason? No you didn't. Because you're a mean bully who silences people who just want to be left unsilenced.

He didn't silence anyone else the whole game, so this is a tad hyperbole.

SorryColin, I poked him and now he's gonna kill you.