The Syndicate

Wow I really cant read Timmer. I might have argued against it, doh, continuing my streak of shitty gameplay this game.

I knew LoRab was bad.

Gonna vote Speedchuck, and hoping the Indies meet their win con. If we shift to a Remnant that's OK, too.

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:42 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 7:25 am Wow I really cant read Timmer. I might have argued against it, doh, continuing my streak of shitty gameplay this game.

I knew LoRab was bad.

Gonna vote Speedchuck, and hoping the Indies meet their win con. If we shift to a Remnant that's OK, too.
I'd be OK with that aswell. If it's 3 Remnant and 2 Jagged Blade we should lynch a Remnant first.

@Long Con is the 24h lynch poll a mistake or real?

If we are going to lynch a Remnant, I would prefer it NOT be Bob as he is silenced. I think he would give a spirited defense, and I would prefer to allow him that chance. I find lynching the silenced unsporting. Since Timmer, unfortunately, confirmed Macs supposition. I guess we would go there since he seems to be confirmed bad at this point.

It's a sad situation regardless. I wish Timmer had not done what he did, but frustration is something I get.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:09 am As a civilian SVS... why is it "unfortunate" that Timmer confirmed my suspicion. Are you not happy?

His game is ruined, that makes me sad. He seemed to be playing a better game than most this game. For me, winning is awesome, but it isn't the only thing. Also it makes for a better game when it's a game of wits. Even if the town wasn't doing the greatest job of baddie hunting and was mostly witless much of the time, lol.

Like you said, there was some shitty town play this game, and it feels almost icky just lynching outed people because they're outed, you know? But it is what it is.

Voting Timmer makes more sense from a numbers perspective.

Sorry, Timmer.

[VOTE: Timmer] aubergine

Dude, I feel bad for you as well, but it is what it is

You asked, I answered.

I was under the impression that Enrique killed you, but I could be wrong. That was actually when I began to feel better about Enrique, tbh.

If you think Sprityo was lying why do you want to rezz him?

What is your opinion on Bob? Who do you plan to vote for?

I have family plans today, but plan to read you, Bob and Timmer tonight and tomorrow I am off.

Or Timmer outed himself in anger, that could be it too.

Why not Sloonei, sig or Kyle? Are they also related to the Darkness?

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:55 am Because I only have 1 Rez so o had to narrow it down. Darkness is only jack.

It’s more why sprit or Enrique rather than why not any other civ. And I went into those reasons already.

So specifically why not sig, Sloonei or Kyle? Your sprit reason was "He could be useful" or something to that effect.

Like I said I plan to reread, but I am not buying it that you are civ.

If Mac and Chuck are the last two Blades, who besides Timmer is a Remnant? Who are your suspects?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:30 am
If Mac and Chuck are the last two Blades, who besides Timmer is a Remnant? Who are your suspects?

Same question [mention]colonialbob[/mention] when he can talk again (he is good at replying to mentions).

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:53 am Man do I switch to Timmer who is mad as fuck and apparently outted or do I keep my vote on Speedchuck who is sick and also outted.

Golly what a conundrum my fellows. Ain't it a real bitch and a half? Wouldn't it be mondo garbo if, Mac for example, actually had a mafia win con and convinced a sleepwalking knuckle-dragging mouth breathing humunculus of a town to get rid of his competition and let him and his whole outted team win.

I dunno I'm just spitballing here.

If there are three of the Remnant, then we do need to do the numbers thing, I guess. It sucks either way tbh. Like I said earlier, the whole thing feels icky.

I personally think LoRab was bad to begin with, and if she wasn't then she came back from the Pet Sematery and isn't civ now. Bob is my question mark. With Timmer, that would be three. Unless Mac and Chuck have a hidden third, a Remnant needs to go today. I am working on the possibility that Mac is still an official baddie.

If there are only two remnant, Timmer and either LoRab or Bob, we still need to whittle down numbers and get rid of them both.

By "us" I mean the civs, I know your motivation is to burn it all down since you have been screwed, and I don't blame you.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 12:16 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:21 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:28 am Enrique definitely didn’t kill me.
I can confirm this part.

Your rezz story: I know what the Coma Tincture item does. It's a single use item, works for exactly one phase. Your description sounds very similar, but you appeared dead for two phases (Killed Night 5, rezzed Night 7), yet you say you can appear dead up to 3 days? How do we know your death, Sorsha's death, and this new rezz you have aren't Dark Worshipper related?

Also, i'm on a square next to you. Go right, up, up if you want to meet up and chat.
Can you confirm he didn't kill anyone else? My main reservation in rezzing him is that he doesn't have his kill left.

I would meet you, but I haven't decided when I'm using my rez--and I die when I use it. So... Also, this is the second time I've had a role where I've had to sacrifice myself for the greater good. But, hey, even if I can't win, I want the civs to win.

The coma is the secret part of my role. The rez is my role power. I guess you don't know that, but why would any permanent deaths appear without the role? It seems pretty clear in the description that Dark Worshipper that he actually kills people. I know it isn't what happened to me, I can't speak for sorsha.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:30 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:55 am Because I only have 1 Rez so o had to narrow it down. Darkness is only jack.

It’s more why sprit or Enrique rather than why not any other civ. And I went into those reasons already.
So specifically why not sig, Sloonei or Kyle? Your sprit reason was "He could be useful" or something to that effect.

Like I said I plan to reread, but I am not buying it that you are civ.

If Mac and Chuck are the last two Blades, who besides Timmer is a Remnant? Who are your suspects?
Specifically (and curious why them and not anyone else), because I don't particularly trust any of the results, because of hollow man and the trickster. With both Enrique and sprityo, I have other evidence that they are who they appeared to be. I do not have that for Kyle or Sloonei. I do have it for Sig, but I don't think he's been following the game (based on his not voting the dead option) and in a game where everyone is just kind of spilling their guts, I don't think a lie detector is particularly useful at this point in the game.

And I don't need you to buy that I'm civ--and there's nothing I can really do about changing your mind, other than keep playing.

I'm not sure who the remnant remnants are. I'm still not convinced about TH being the trickster, so I'm not even sure about the numbers, tbh.

Other than the obvious, I still have lingering suspicion of sabie. And, tbh, I've suspected you for a while. Your insistence on blindly accepting night results doesn't seem like you as a civ. And trying to convince others, early on, to trust all the results, seems very much like you as a baddie.

Speaking of, can we discuss INH coming back as the same role as LA? Or was he random animal and I'm in the overthinking paranoia stage of mafia?

How about I know for a fact, like you say you do about Enrique and Sprit, that TH was who he was revealed to be? He was, 100%, so I did not waste a lot of time worrying about Trickster influencing peoples night results or how people flipped. TH died night one, early on. As a baddie, I have made whole games out of freaking people out about Seemers. I saw that starting to happen in this game, and the civs were fucked up enough, it would appear, that people spending every lynch wringing their hands about whether or not someone was as they flipped would be counterproductive for the town. I didn't want the baddies to use a role that was dead to create more distraction.

Plus I knew it would annoy the hell out of THs teammates, and that would be fun. And it looks like I was right

Linki, I am not sure LoRab & Enrique were on a water square when LoRab died, so true. I guess I am worried that anyone she rezzes comes from the Pet Sematery, tbh.

for Tranq, "freaking out every NK" NOT every lynch.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:27 am Well that was definitely a day phase. Wew lads.

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] idk yet. I need to go back and do some interaction reads, maybe Timmer will narrow stuff down. At this point I'm Quin and DH are pretty much mechanically confirmed as 3p and Mac/Speed are obviously the other mafia. Epi is probably 3p too. Other than that I'm planning on reevaluating everybody.

These are the alive people, minus the people you believe to be 3P, the Jagged Blade, and yourself.

Dana
LoRab
S~V~S
sabie12
Tranq

Of those, sabie and I were cleared by sig. Do you believe sig to have been the role he flipped as? (Same question for [mention]LoRab[/mention] ) I believe him about sabie, becasue I know he was right about other people (like me), even though I suspected her previously myself.

So I would like to know who you think is Remnant (other than Timmer) and why other than just POE.

I laid out about a zillion cleary checkable statements early in the game. Sig came in distrusting me (because he always does) and I would not be surprised if I was the first, maybe the second, person he checked.

I do agree with you though about voting with DH. Although in retrospect, the cataclysm saved me, blowing me off course on a rendezvous with death, I don't love the ice dagger thing (a facet of a shattered puddle would be an ice dagger, right?) so going with the answer/question thing. Chrome trees and dance prevention meh.

People who live till the end, win or lose, should get a "I Survived the Cataclysm 2018" banner. That would be cool.

Your gut and read need some work

Ok now I am at sea.

I have a PM pending with the host, something I needed clarity on. At this time I am voting for TH.

Also sorry LoRab, I guess MY gut and read need help, too.

Nice game Tranq, I suspected you earlier but not for a long time.

Mac, you're a bad boy. The rest of this game you're dead to me

So who was Nutella?? And this explains Tranq reading into the Christmas poem.

Also Also welcome back Enrique, I hope you have fresh eyes from being dead (that happens to me all the time, I die and suddenly I see the light, lol). We need them.

Tranq kept trying to lure Dana specifically. Trying to kill her role? Although she did not seem far from him, so he could have killed her without being on the same square. So wondering what tht was all about.

linki, according to the host Tranq was on your team:

Tranq - Killed night 8 - D'Abrutsi - Jagged Blade

TH couldn't have killed him because TH came back after Tranq was dead, so Tranq must have been as he flipped.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:21 am Yall buggin how can TH be the Trickster. If TH is the Trickster than all info associated with them is concealed in their favor. How is their role being revealed as the Trickster "in their favor"

TH is definitely the Trickster. 100%. Trust me on this, I have been a fuck up most of this game, but this is something I know for a stone cold fact.

We got a new computer system at work with all kinds of restrictions, I probably can't be online at all but DON'T LET TURNIP HEAD WHEEDLE you with his amazing wheedling ways. Later y'all.

He bad.

I want to lynch Speedchuck. It's like everytime we try to lynch Speedchuck, something happens to divert us. Like the Remnant keeps growing.

The fact that TH has not even come in here is making me paranoid.

I meant tomorrow I want to lynch Speedchuck. Today full speed ahead with TH.

When I came in the thread, I find Enri pushing to lynch a person who may or may not be recruited over known, out baddies. Thus, TOMORROW, I would rather lynch Speedchuck.

It's like every day we say we're gonna lynch Speedchuck, and the Remnant grows or gets outed that day, or something else happens (like he's rezzed by the guy who says he can't win yet rezzes his teammate and neglects to tell us about Tranq) so we can't.

You're twisting words here a bit, dear. I think my meaning was pretty clear.

No, sorry if I was not clear. Although TH is in here now, I see.

linki, lol

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:51 pm Hey gang! It's good to be back. I should catch up on what I missed. Who killed me?

I actually know the answer to this question, I think Mac does, as well. It was a friend of his

Linki, it's you. 100%.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 5:52 pm Did you guys figure out who the real trickster is yet or nah

I am not sure how you are here; I am awaiting clarity from the hostie with the mostie, LC.

Until then, I am not saying much more about this other than you need to go bye bye. Much as I <3 you, you gotta go.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:01 pm Wait we have outted baddies?

Yes, you, for one. I outed you. Mac & Chuck as well. Prob Bob.

You are the Trickster rezzed. You bad, son.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:09 pm So SVS is the trickster then.... again

LOL, no. You are.

Like I said, I am not sure how you are here.

I am awaiting clarity from LC as to what I can or can't say about how I know what I know about you.

OK, that was funny.

That's fine, but today TH has to go. We don't need any falsified flips at this stage.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:24 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:23 pm That's fine, but today TH has to go. We don't need any falsified flips at this stage.
[mention]MacDougall[/mention] See I told you.

SVS, who cares about false flips when everyone's outted themselves already and we already know who the baddies are?

Claiming and actual outting are different. I would be with you were TH not back. But he is, apparently.

I am confused about some things, and hoping for clarity, that's all I have to say about that. Box of chocolates and all that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 6:26 pm SVS is a sponsor of the Blade. Pays a monthly membership to help us keep our clubhouse running.

thanks.

The two of you both purport to have no win con, yet you're in here ripping each other up. Jeez.

I will check in now and then in case TH comes back, but I don't want to sit here and watch you two rip each other to bits.

The Trickster also messes with targets around him.

He's gotta go. After that I don't care which order the baddies go. As Mac said civs are unlikely to win. But I gotta try.

Info given or received can be corrupted. This affects targeting since info is location based.

Lol no I just read the role.

Stop trying to save TH.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] can you indulge me and ask if you are allowed to tell me what square you were on when you were rezzed?

Link I @DH it says info can be corrupted. Since targeting is based on location based info it would be affected.

Enri, thanks, it does help.

TH and I have a connection this game. Not a connection like affiliation, but a concrete connection.

As I have said, I am waiting for clarity on something. I guess I am worried that TH is undead or something of that nature. Either he is who he died as, or he could be something worse. Or I could have just misunderstood the rules of this universe and how they work. Totally plausible, lol.

Either way even if he is a straightforward rezz he is still the Trickster.

Put your chin away DH.

I am waiting on clarity as I have said. I need to know where I am at because I am working on an assumption, and we all know what happens when you assume.

isn't the Kraken a brand of rum, too?

Indeed.

I got the clarity I sought, and it was not what was expected.

I feel pretty certain that TH did not come back as a supernatural being more so than he was to begin with, if that makes sense.

Essentially, I ran into his corpse very early in my travels, and making an assumption that the baddie teammates had to have his body to rezz him (an assumption that turned out to be incorrect) I have been lugging him around in my backpack the whole game. Since he came back to life when I supposed him to be in my backpack, I thought he was maybe a spirit or something even more supernatural than he was already.

The absolute last thing I expected to see when I came in here yesterday was a rezzed TH. The moral of this story? Don't make assumptions, ask the host first

Still want him gone and safely back in my backpack where he can't hurt anyone, though.

Also, Tranq is very good at collecting and applying information. If anyone could extract and extrapolate max knowledge from limited info, it would be him.

Items do look cool, I ran into none of them.

Get back in the backpack, you.

Sorry DH; while the cataclysm did me some good by blasting me away from a rendezvous with death via my own stupidity, I had some less good effects as well.

Civs have super crappy chances of pulling this out of the bag and "chaos lynch" doesn't sound like it will maximize our chances.

It would be easier to manipulate I think. I would think it is votes for two people, which could be OK. But if both could be used for the same person, too much room for shenanigans.

But of the options other than "Normal" it seems the least potentially damaging, I guess.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 6:54 pm Please I just want this one thing please

You wanted that other one thing please before, we gave it to you and it fucked us up all kinds of ways. The map is a giant ball of flame, and there are nasty flame-y ... things out there.

Well, maybe you can get Bob to change his vote. Then the Tribunal Of Tie-breaking can weigh in.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:57 pm DH: Hey lets do something fun instead of walking right into a mafia trap laid by the guy that can silence a voter and the guy that starts with -5 votes

Quin, the guy who needs the game to go on as long as possible: Nah I'm good

The civs, literally about to lose: Nah we're good.

OH OKAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
But we are both voting with you?

Quite the wily trap you're laying, eh?

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