The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:17 am Nobody answered my question

I didn't see it. What was it?

And with a few exceptions no-one answers mine, either, so I feel your pain.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:32 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:19 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:24 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:16 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:59 am



My question is for Epignosis, is the first quote suss?

No.

Double-standards, and what not, but I don't care.

Women write differently than men.

Epi is bad for not checking the context behind why Luna was using the word valid.
Or Turnip is bad for posing the question without checking the context behind why Luna was using the word valid.

got em

I don't follow pls explain

Sloonei and Luna's qualifiers are different. One could argue Sloonei was qualifying his post - "I have a genuine suspicion..." but Luna's use of valid is a reference to her earlier rebuttal where Mac said Day 1 cases are based on nothing and a direct quote using the term valid from SVS. The fact that she repeats the word valid in the same post should make this obvious.

Epi made a blanket statement about how women post which means he didn't check context. If he did he'd have realised the difference between the two. I don't expect this from town.

I didn't need to check context because I understood the post the first time I read it. And I read it as being deliberately snarky. I smiled when I read it.

then why didn't you say that?

FWIW I read that usage as snarky as well. She didn't write it this way, but I READ "valid" in caps lock and quotes, or maybe italics..

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

Why not pursue it now?

I just read your ISO, it didn't take long. A lot of fluff, and lurking, and trying to freak people out over the Trickster. That was a fun trick like 5 or 6 years ago when we first started playing with Seemer roles (I think it was Nutella who first did it at the Piano, in a "Make Your Own Role" game?). Whip the civvies into a frenzy over was/wasn't the Seemer dead in order to make them distrust their own judgment, and thus easier to steer. I got caught out at it in a game at RM by DH maybe, and that was that. I never did that again. but it catches my eye bigtime.

You remind me of me, you precocious little devil.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

ebwop, also, that little mean post you made to TH that you took 2 posts to apologize for,

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:41 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

I’m high key lurking you incessant ape

How about you say something that’s new?

I know someone up there ^^ connected you to TH other ways, based on the EOD. But this is just some really nice distancing imo. I like the cut of your jib. Sorrowfully, I think it's an evil jib in this game.

[mention]Quin[/mention] ,OK now I see your point. I thought you were reading her as serious and I was all

And [mention]sabie12[/mention] oops, thanks for pointing it out. I guess I saw his vote for you in the generic "S" section and clicked that. Fixed.

[mention]Quin[/mention] I did not really understand the case you were making, I thought it was too esoteric. Now I understand better and will reread.

Also I want to ask a general question. I see that some general things about gameplay have changed. It used to be that the first day, everyone was all over the map, but then the town started to coalesce and work together. That seems to not be the case anymore. Not just this game, in other games I have read in to check against the games of people playing here as well.

Is this new Mafia thought, cast a wider net, catch more fish? I will say it is harder to follow peoples suspicions and thoughts when there are 30 players and 20 suspicions. I am finding it harder to follow, as few people are really commenting on other peoples suspicions, on just on the suspects of one or two other people.

Or will it settle down, it just takes longer now?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:00 am I don't know anything about baddie SVS but I know civ SVS has the biggest tinfoil hat of the entire internet.

She is capable of arguing back and forth with someone for 20 pages because she wants to lynch the same person they do, but for a much more complicated reason that involves a long string of ability combos, and she won't accept the simple reason.

She is the deity people pray to when they need inspiration to tinfoil.

Still waiting to see that tinfoiling in this game.

I am actively trying not to tinfoil becasue I feel people were laughing at me last time and making fun of me. It is actually why I went back on break. Sorry if this disappoints you, but I am going to do my best to avoid a repeat of being called the diety of something stupid on the whole internet full of stupidity.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I tried to find your list of five, and your iso is daunting. Can you either repost it or link me to it?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:29 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:17 am As for Sloonei's list, not sure if it's a good idea to limit ourselves to 5 people, because that doesn't provide better odds than if we lynched someone among all 27 players.

On the other hand, it's a very valuable tool provided we can actually use abilities or claims to figure out who killed nutella later on. But right now... meh.

Is it easier to read over 5 people or 27?

I agree with you a little bit, but some narrowed direction in a bloated thread is nice.

THIS ^^^ X1000

Thanks all for reposting the list <3

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 pm Know it’s funny how I got my throat jumped down THE INSTANT I try to vote. Am I THAT easy of a target for mislynch?

More so how SVS quoted my smartass interaction with TH. I was thinking “wow some idiot is gonna look back at this later and assume it’s distancing or some bullshit” whenever I was reading DH’s interaction post that labeled me green

Thanks, xoxo, twice in one day I've been called names. I forgot how much I love this game, lol.

Linki, I thought we were not to discuss map interactions? And he;s calling me a crazy old lady who lives in the woods.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:17 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.

I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

It's also exactly what I would expect a teammate to do. Perhaps my feelings on LoRab are better framed as "teammate-compatible," I don't feel this is a valid lynch reason on its own. But I will also take jules' opinion that this is typical for her into account.

Someone I think who knows her game better than I do is @S~V~S but I can't get this dang mention function to work with S~V~S's name. I'd really like to know her opinion on Lorab.

@S~V~S

That might do it

Haven't seen enough of her to have one. I know she has been busy irl with the Holiday, but I can reread her during the night if you like. This is a very LoRab thing to say, though. She is always looking at it from the skeptical angle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:25 pm SVS is suspicious

No she is not, S~V~S is 100% town, my fren.

I am as civvie as the day is long. How about you?

Also, I am going to reread some of the posts of the 5 people, I don't like info drops any more than Tranq does, but Sloonei made cases first, so I will deal. I am not going to entertain info drops with no cases, though.

At this stage, I am null about both Quin and G Man, I reread him today and feel better about Kyle than I did, Luna as well, but not 100% there. DDL is someone I want to reread, his one post pinged me, but nothing since, really. If I had to vote this second (GTH) it would be G Man, I think. While not a truth meta guy like Glor, he does not love lying much and has not said some stuff I kind of expected him to say. But not sure yet.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:25 pm SVS is suspicious

No she is not, S~V~S is 100% town, my fren.

I am as civvie as the day is long. How about you?

Also, I am going to reread some of the posts of the 5 people, I don't like info drops any more than Tranq does, but Sloonei made cases first, so I will deal. I am not going to entertain info drops with no cases, though.

At this stage, I am null about both Quin and G Man, I reread him today and feel better about Kyle than I did, Luna as well, but not 100% there. DDL is someone I want to reread, his one post pinged me, but nothing since, really. If I had to vote this second (GTH) it would be G Man, I think. While not a truth meta guy like Glor, he does not love lying much and has not said some stuff I kind of expected him to say. But not sure yet.

Not to brag but I've put out a buncha reads and cases without infodumping if that's your jam.

Thanks! I am a bit overwhelmed in this game, too many suspicions coming from too many directions, it is hard to remember who suspects whom, lol. I will look them up.

Thoughts on G Man? I seem to recall that you had thoughts on him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:05 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:57 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:50 pm Nevermind Sabie I dunno if legally you can answer that

I dont know if I legally can either but I think I've made it pretty clear indirectly.

yeah, I don't know if I buy this. Sprityo asked if any shady characters had been by that way. The woods lady says, "yeah, I saw sabie with a jagged blade." If sabie were just standing on the square, minding her own business when an actual baddie happens by (like she claims), the wood lady would have told sprityo the other name instead of sabie's.

So you fully believe Sprityos story enough to end someones game solely based on it? You know this woman is honest?

I see bloodthirsty Luna is back.

linki @ Lorab lol

I am gonna go back to my day one vote for now and switch it to Lunalee while I read DHs cases. It could change again.

She was quick to believe an info drop that could be interpreted in more ways than one, and she isn't really considering that aspect. I had seen her as being less aggro, but maybe not.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

Nope sorry, I am not a baddie. I am town. And am I just rubbing you the wrong way, or do you actually think I am bad? Not necessarily the same thing. If you (or [mention]MacDougall[/mention] care to put up points, I would be happy to refute them

Because I am town.

And where I came from, info dumps without even putting the effort into making a case was considered bad form, although I realize and accept that that is no longer the case *HERE*, I still am not a fan. Since we have two people claiming info, and I trust Sloonei more than you, AND he put the effort into cases, I am entertaining his info rather than yours.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:09 pm @DharmaHelper when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?

General vibe. I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet but I'm nervous about taking her off the table completely.

Do you still feel this way? I am not sure if I am not tinfoiling ( [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] ) on her, or not.

linki, I don't think he's making it up, it just seems ambiguous.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

She roleclaimed on Day 2?? I somehow missed that revelation.

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:56 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:44 pm I’m not caught up but why are people voting Wilgy if he wasn’t on the watchlist and Gman if he was cleared by Luna?

Should we be voting Quin or one of the others I’ve forgotten?

You have to trust Luna for that to work, right? She was just either being real gullible or real shady, to my POV.

You think she’s faking a cop (or whatever) claim on her hitman buddy? That will get her lynched when Gman flips bad.

She roleclaimed on Day 2?? I somehow missed that revelation.

She said she has "reason to believe" G-Man didn't kill nutella. Which doesn't make him innocent when there's at two mafia teams presumably with several members each, but that's still what she came out with and what Sloonei's list is about I think.

Thank you, I did see that. I did not presume that "because I said so" cleared anyone, though, in Mafia. I thought Slooneis list might have had to do with something else, though, but it's only a guess.

I need to walk the dog and get ready for bed. I still find Luna just accepting the second-hand sayings of a crazy old lady in the woods a bit disturbing. Not just accepting it so much as the accusatory tone she took with Sabie, I think Sprit is being truthful but I think his info is open to interpretation.

I feel better about Sabie than about Luna. I feel better about Kyle after rereading him, and I feel better about Quin than I do about G Man, but I feel better about G Man than about Wilgy.


So final vote switch to Wilgy. [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Linki Mac <3

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 5:31 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:15 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:14 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 am one of the mafia team's win objectives isn't necessarily incompatible with the civilian win condition

Huh?

He is drunk and scum claimed.

Stayed up too late playing a cool game on Steam and I'm zonked tired out of my mind but this is the funniest shit I've seen all game.

Hard to say with INH, iirc he asked if it was OK to role claim in the thread. INH has his own agenda, he just lets us participate in it.

That said,

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:12 am SCUM TEAM 1:

Mac
Nutella
Epignosis
S~V~S

SCUM TEAM 2:

Sloonei
DH
Luna
Timmer

you're welcome, everyone

So you think TH was not Trickster? I have my doubts too, if I had a baddie team with that role on it, I would consider a bold move like that on Night One, especially if whoever is Trickster is someone unlikely to be blocked/checked night one.

But putting me on a bad team in this game is in error; I am not bad

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:56 pm Don't CFD me. I have info on Wilgy. He's bad!

OK, this made me laugh. But poor Wilgy.

Well that was a sucky result. If Wilgy was the only person Sabie was with (her last post doesn't indicate any back ups up her sleeve), this considerable narrows the possibilities on the crazy old ladys meanings.

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:38 am Wilgy could be the Hollow Man. That one appears as a random civ when lynched

I guess this is possible, but what would be the odds of losing both false front roles in the first few days? Possible, but I dunno. I would expect Sabie to be more freaked out that he flipped like he did if she believed him to be bad, as opposed to herself. Her reaction is more "meh, oh well, time to move on I guess".

I don't love the info any more than you do, but it IS out there, so can't ignore it.

Linki, what lie? I thought that was a crack about info dumping. And INH is a force of nature. An unusual nature, but you can't really take him at face value. He does and says his own thing always, and I won't auto-susp him for saying something quirky and provocative.

I have played with both of them for a long time, I might not read them the same as you do.

To be more explicit re Tranq, I would be amazed if baddie Tranq would say such a dumb thing in seriousness, joke or not. He is insanely careful. I don't recall ever seeing bad Tranq lynched. Maybe [mention]juliets[/mention] would have a better idea of that, and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong there.

I am never comfortable in a game until certain people slip into place. That remark went far towards making me feel better about Tranq, but not good enough to greenlight him.

Do you mean this post? But there is square chat in this game.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:39 am I feel like inebriation can be an asset as it allows the TRUTH to be revealed to those with the COURAGE to seek it out.

All y'all in the chat can shut up. I'mp laying the game perfectly

He may have been drunk, but I don't think he was drunk enough to tell his baddie teammates to shut up in a post in the thread. He can't think he was posting IN the chat cause he said "y'all in the chat". INH is cunning and cryptic, but even drunk I would have problems thinking this is a slip.

This more so, though.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:46 am one of the mafia team's win objectives isn't necessarily incompatible with the civilian win condition

I would like to know how he knew that.

Plus while he made a checkable statement, he made it in the middle of the night when few were around, so would be less likely to be checked. I would definitely be interested in this discussion based on the win con remark, more so than the chat room remark.

Duh, the baddie win cons are posted, and I did not see the word "secret".

32 roles, 30 players. Two is too obvious. Didn't LC/BR have two people in one role in a previous game?

I am voting One.

It just seems too obvious, and you don't like to see people you think of as evil geniuses doing obvious things, you know?

I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:32 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:23 am It just seems too obvious, and you don't like to see people you think of as evil geniuses doing obvious things, you know?

I am looking forward to hearing what he has to say.

What is the evil genius civilian mindset behind such a move?

lol, hard to say. INH acts like an evil genius always. So touche, I guess. It was careless regardless of affiliation, and I am not used to seeing INH careless, but I tend to steer clear of him in general becasue he tends to aim scorn at much of what I say, and I get the feel he doesn't much care for my game, and our opinions on most things differ greatly. I could be wrong there, but I try to stay out of his face. I admire his chaoticness, but I don't totally understand it. I can be chaotic, too, but in a very different way than INH.

So tl;dr, while I tend to blow off INH's "bwa ha ha" bluster as just INH being INH and don't suspect him for it, now that I think about it, I can't really say I know his civ game from his bad. I think he is more of a crusader when civ, but I cannot say where I got that impression. I guess it is time to pay more attention.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 8:03 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:55 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:38 am Wilgy could be the Hollow Man. That one appears as a random civ when lynched

I guess this is possible, but what would be the odds of losing both false front roles in the first few days? Possible, but I dunno. I would expect Sabie to be more freaked out that he flipped like he did if she believed him to be bad, as opposed to herself. Her reaction is more "meh, oh well, time to move on I guess".

I don't love the info any more than you do, but it IS out there, so can't ignore it.

Linki, what lie? I thought that was a crack about info dumping. And INH is a force of nature. An unusual nature, but you can't really take him at face value. He does and says his own thing always, and I won't auto-susp him for saying something quirky and provocative.

I have played with both of them for a long time, I might not read them the same as you do.

I do feel bad about being wrong about wilgy and that I let myself be convinced he was bad if he wasn't. I guess him being so nonchalant and absent most of the game made the whole thing a little more meh for everyone. As people were saying the end if day was not as lively and exciting as it can sometimes be. Usually the people being accused at least come in and defend themselves and a conversation happens. That didnt really happen this time. No one else really has had a strong reaction to his death either that I saw unless I missed it. But again I'm sorry I was wrong. Both lynches have not gone great for us so hoping for better results next time.
It seemed like everyone was pretty quick to move on to the next thing. Especially with INH coming in with a bunch of posts out of nowhere.

I think you misunderstand my concerns.

Sprit says the old lady told him you were seen with a jagged blade. This could mean you were carrying an actual jagged blade, i.e., a member of the baddie team. OR it could mean you were with a person who was a member of the Jagged Blade team. Part of the reason Wilgy took moree votes than he might have (had all of this old lady in the woods biz not happened, for instance, I would have kept my vote on Luna. Her reaction to both the info~ instatrust; and to the suspicion and skepticism of the info~ leaving the thread; I found very suspect). But the implication was that if the first interpretation of the old lady info was wrong, and you were with a person who was a member of the jagged blade, and you voted for Wilgy .... well, you see, right? That person HAD to be a Jagged Blade.

But Wilgy was NOT a Jagged Blade. So either he was that role that flips as a random civ OR you are potentially bad.

Your, "Oh well, let's move on" reaction to all of this is more nonchalant that I would expect it to be were you not a Jagged Blade. Other peoples reaction in this case are not as important as is yours.

And re Tranq, until he says otherwise, I still think that "info" crack was a joke. He hates direct info drops.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:08 pm No guys seriously its 6.

4 dead roles. And 2 extra roles in the OP.

QED

Excellent point. Changing my vote.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:44 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:59 am To be more explicit re Tranq, I would be amazed if baddie Tranq would say such a dumb thing in seriousness, joke or not. He is insanely careful. I don't recall ever seeing bad Tranq lynched. Maybe @juliets would have a better idea of that, and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong there.

I am never comfortable in a game until certain people slip into place. That remark went far towards making me feel better about Tranq, but not good enough to greenlight him.

How careful would Tranq be after waking up in the middle of the night and seeing that he was about to get lynched?

I don't know. Living in Europe I have seen him getting up in the night to post or check in, but I honestly thought he was making a snarky remark with his Wilgy is bad post. So when he came in earlier and said he was serious, I did know.

I don't recall him ever getting lynched bad. But I guess there is a first time for everything. I

That "did"up there ending the first paragraph should be "don't" sorry phone typing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:52 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:44 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:59 am To be more explicit re Tranq, I would be amazed if baddie Tranq would say such a dumb thing in seriousness, joke or not. He is insanely careful. I don't recall ever seeing bad Tranq lynched. Maybe @juliets would have a better idea of that, and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong there.

I am never comfortable in a game until certain people slip into place. That remark went far towards making me feel better about Tranq, but not good enough to greenlight him.

How careful would Tranq be after waking up in the middle of the night and seeing that he was about to get lynched?

I don't know. Living in Europe I have seen him getting up in the night to post or check in, but I honestly thought he was making a snarky remark with his Wilgy is bad post. So when he came in earlier and said he was serious, I did know.

I don't recall him ever getting lynched bad. But I guess there is a first time for everything. I

I don't know Tranq as well, so when I first read that, I rolled my eyes. Your explanation, though, does not sound unreasonable.

However, the issue now is that Tranq was not merely making fun of the information issue- he claims he found an item that gave him information (?) on Wilgy. I don't believe his story, but I also don't see the reason for him to make up something after you basically answered for him (i.e., he could have said, "I was being facetious").

I know.

I was so sure of it I just lol-ed at it and wouldn't even have bothered explaining had Mac not questioned it. I think if Trans actually found something on the map he would not info drop even if everyone else was doing it. So I am struggling with that a bit myself. It makes no sense if he wasn't joking.

MP made up a scroll in Sword of Truth but that was years ago on the Piano. Someone else may have done it more recently.

Awesome result! Bye Jules! Looks like the night killers are better baddie hunters than the town, lol.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:05 am Hey I was right about something.

Yes, you were. I don't like pushing cases against people who are not there to defend, and I also do not like CFDs if truth be told. Especially if the person is not there. It isn't sporting imo, although I realize not everyone has that opinion. But I will argue against it when I see it happening.

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:11 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:53 am

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:52 am Hey DH remember when the baddies recruited the Living Statue in A World Reborn?

No I actually don't.

Were you and JC teammates?

In A World Reborn, yes we were.

I'll go through her posts today to see if we can find any Jagged Blade connections.
In the meantime i'm dropping a vote on DH, the Living Statue is a seriously dangerous role once he gets recruited. I feel like this needs to be discussed.
I'm also considering G-Man and maybe novaselinenever who hasn't made a single post from what i can tell.

The way I read the role, you need all of his body parts, not sure how many there are? If a civvie finds even one, then he cannot become the ally of whoever finds the others? Would that be how this works? How many body parts does he have, and does HE know where they are? These are all things I would consider before I would want to lynch a "maybe"over a "probable".

When we have potential baddies in our sites, meaning Sabie and INH (and some say even you, although I still am having problems meshing your meta as I know it with the reasons people find you bad), DH is a backburner issue to me. Especially when he is in the spotlight through no fault of his own.

I want to reread Sabie today, hear what INH has to say, and maybe get back to Slooneis list.

Also, since a member of the Remnant died night 1, and a member of the Blades night two, it is possible that the Blades are the odd NK and the Remnant the even, which would make Turnip Head who he flipped as, the Trickster. It is possible that one of the other roles could have killed him, or Juliets, but Occams says TH being who he flipped as is a strong possibility. It isn't often that two baddies in a row get NKed, so this may help us differentiate NKs.

So, I would think it would be easier going forward if we don't spend the game second guessing ourselves and freaking out about the Trickster at every turn. This is to the baddies advantage. Until I see something that makes me think differently ( like someone else flipping as a role already flipped as dead) I am going to work on the assumption that TH was who he flipped as.

And roles who may know where people are relative to themselves, it is also possible that her teammates clustered around Juliets for her protective abilities. Anyone that shared a square with her, or knew her to be nearby, think about who else was around her, and maybe reread them.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:56 am Without going into ISOs I remember SVS gave me shit for the way I was attacking juliets. I think Cbob also did, though I'm not sure if it was specifically related to juliets or someone else. I'm gonna look at those guys today.

And I would give you shit for that again. As I said previously, I feel that attacking people at EOD when they have clearly said they will not be around is not well done. As I told Sloonei, if someone presented a case she could refute I would have been happy to entertain it, as I tend to auto civ read her. But yeah, I disliked an EOD attack on someone who had had no prior suspish against them when they were not there to defend.

Come at me dude I yam what I yam and all that jazz.

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:02 am What are the actual seats of baddies dying 2 nights in a row? In particular on nights 1 and 2? I’m so used to games where night kills aren’t revealed that I’m actually not sure.

And an alternate theory: what if the trickster is an Indy role who kills every night? Juleit’s Death doesn’t read as a baddie dying. Not to mention that we have no idea who is killling. Personally, I’m Not going to push that people aren’t who they seem, but I’m not going to personally make that assumption. And I personally believe it’s a dangerous assumption to make.

Strongly leaning towards an INH vote. Possibly sabie.

The first page and the Night Post says TH was a member of the Remnant and Juliets was a Jagged Blade. That is what I plan on going with.

I do believe TH was who the post said he was, but people should believe what works for them. I just meant that I personally don't plan on being all, "OMG Trickster" after every NK, there lies insanity.

Did Mac say he would be afk? He only posted once after the night post, and that is very different to his normal pattern. I am wondering if he was silenced, maybe picked up his PM late?

I would think he would have had a lot to say about the lynch results, and am surprised he was so quiet.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:25 am Sorry Sloo lol

This is his last post, and I see that he voted for INH without posting it.

I am going top post a vote for INH at this time in solidarity with Mac, that may change, I want to reread Sabie as well. It's early, yesterday I changed my vote maybe 3-4 times?

[VOTE: Insertnamehere] aubergine

Linki [mention]Tranq[/mention] , hrm, weird. Mac generally posts a ton after the posts as it is daytime where he lives at that time. Not at all like him to vote with no post.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:31 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:11 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:56 am Without going into ISOs I remember SVS gave me shit for the way I was attacking juliets. I think Cbob also did, though I'm not sure if it was specifically related to juliets or someone else. I'm gonna look at those guys today.

And I would give you shit for that again. As I said previously, I feel that attacking people at EOD when they have clearly said they will not be around is not well done. As I told Sloonei, if someone presented a case she could refute I would have been happy to entertain it, as I tend to auto civ read her. But yeah, I disliked an EOD attack on someone who had had no prior suspish against them when they were not there to defend.

Come at me dude I yam what I yam and all that jazz.

The way I look at it the game has 24/48 hours so that we don't have to care if someone is around or not. Which is why I also dislike the way a lot of people tend to do all their gameplay in the last 2 hours. Sometimes I miss non-changable votes tbh.

I don't really want to argue about this though, and iirc this wasn't the reason you gave me to suspect me at the time. I need to look at your posts first.

We should care if a person has taken no suspicion and after they have clearly said they will not be around EOD, takes their first suspicion right before EOD, regardless of how long the day is. I am also not a fan of suspecting Juliets for being nice and passive, which was your weird reasoning for wanting to lynch her. You would not come out and say you suspected her, but you kept pushijng suspicion at her anyhow. It was weird, I saw it that way at the time, and I said so.

Again, I would still find it odd, the way you went about it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:57 am Tranq, I still have trouble believing you found something called the "Mirror of Truth" that told you "Wilgy may be bad." That's like the most pointless thing ever.

The Mirror of Ambiguous Possibilities

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:31 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:13 pm The silver lining on Tranq is that I've seem more than one people meta read him as civ. I think it was SVS who said he would never slip that easily? Someone else said something in that sense too.

I tend to respect meta reads on people I'm not used to play with.

SVS is wrong though i've been lynched alot of times. In A World Reborn even when she and i were teammates with juliets. I'm actually about to move my vote to SVS. I feel like she's buddying me the way she tends to do when she's bad, i wouldn't be surprised at all if she's on Juliets' team and killed nutella

Really? I don't recall you being lynched as bad, perhaps I idealize you, I know I idealize Typh. I remember the chat rooms more than the results.

You are wrong if you think I was Juliets teammate, nothing could be further from the truth.

linki @ Enri, yeah, that is why I was so sure he was joking. I was surprised when he came in saying he was not joking. I thought it was an anti-infodumping sarcasm crack, lol.

Linki [mention]Tranq[/mention] I will say I have been avoiding looking too hard at you since I miss playing with you, and didn't want to alienate you, and I think you know I am sincere about that. It isn't buddying, I just like seeing your

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:42 pm Someone sum up the Wilgy/Sprityo/Saddie/Tranq mirror old lady saga. I feel like I’m missing a key part of this story.

During the Wilgy lynch, some people tried to get a CFD up on Tranq, he showed up in the middle of it, dropped the Mirror of Ambiguity into the middle of it, saying Wilgy could be bad, Wilgy was lynched, news flash, he wasn't bad.

Sprit said a crazy old lady in the woods told him Sabie was seen with a jagged blade. Sabie said Nuh uh, but Wilgy is bad! So the implication (that Sabie never denied) was that Wilgy was the Jagged Blade she was seen with (as opposed to a literal jagged blade). News Flash, he wasn't.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:50 pm
Sprityo is not a member of the Sloonei 5. They are: Quin, G-man, DDL, Kyle, Luna.

Having put some reflection on it, some reading time, and having consulted the Valise of Vagueness, which I ran into in my travels, my base read on these 5 is

Quin, civ with a side of I can't read him at all so I tend to default to civ
G Man, bad
DDL, civ with a side of I tend to think he's bad most of the time so I give him more BOTD than I do for most to compensate
Kyle, civ
Luna, Bad

I would be most opposed to a lynch of Kyle, and least opposed to a lynch of Luna of these 5.

I think it probable that Sabie is bad, and nothing she has said today made me feel differently.
I also think INH is probably bad, and hope he comes in with a fun and amusing Lynchesque story about why he said what he said
I don't want to lynch DH because of "maybe" and "if"
While I can totally picture Tranq in a baddie chatroom mocking people for believing his mirror story, I can also see him doing that as a civ. But I also think he is pretending to think I am bad, so not sure how I feel about that.

I want Nova and Sorsha to talk.

I am glad Mac is not silenced.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:58 pm Why is G-Man bad?

That was a quasi GTH read, if I had to pick good or bad kind of thing. For me with G Man it is gut. I felt early on that he was trying to act like he was civving, but that he kinda gave up. I think if he was civ, he would have been right up in my grille, but he hasn't been. In a game a few years back, he and I had a potentially big team, but becasue of various reasons, it never coalesced, and our entire baddie BTS the whole game was just each other. I played an awful game but it was an all time favorite for me becasue we had an awesome chat.

He just feels to me like his heart is not in it, and it is easier for him to get his heart into a town role. I saw bad G Man up close and personal, and I think this is him. But that said, of the Floonei Five, I would prefer to lynch Luna first. She comes in gets all Riot Grrrrl and then when called on it, runs away. Her Day One suspects seemed contrived. Had Sloonei not put him in his groupings, G Man would be sitting on a back burner for me, being watched for cracks.

Since they are his Five,I would like to see Sloonei focus on them and pick one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:14 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:10 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:58 pm Why is G-Man bad?

That was a quasi GTH read, if I had to pick good or bad kind of thing. For me with G Man it is gut. I felt early on that he was trying to act like he was civving, but that he kinda gave up. I think if he was civ, he would have been right up in my grille, but he hasn't been. In a game a few years back, he and I had a potentially big team, but becasue of various reasons, it never coalesced, and our entire baddie BTS the whole game was just each other. I played an awful game but it was an all time favorite for me becasue we had an awesome chat.

He just feels to me like his heart is not in it, and it is easier for him to get his heart into a town role. I saw bad G Man up close and personal, and I think this is him. But that said, of the Floonei Five, I would prefer to lynch Luna first. She comes in gets all Riot Grrrrl and then when called on it, runs away. Her Day One suspects seemed contrived. Had Sloonei not put him in his groupings, G Man would be sitting on a back burner for me, being watched for cracks.

Since they are his Five,I would like to see Sloonei focus on them and pick one.

This is what i spent all of yesterday doing and it’s why my vote is currently on Quin.

I was not being critical, or was not trying to sound that way. You can be very powerful when you focus, and I thought you were still flitting back and forth a bit, my apologies. I will read the links you gave Enri ^^

I have problems reading Quin.

On a tangent, looking at the roles, people who played the last World [/game], wasn't there something weird with Yin/Yang?

Was one of them civ and the other bad, or one on one baddie team and the other on another? Something of that nature? I am trying to sort something.

Wow bad formatting.

On a tangent, looking at the roles, people who played the last World game, wasn't there something weird with Yin/Yang?

Was one of them civ and the other bad, or one on one baddie team and the other on another? Something of that nature? I am trying to sort something.

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 2:48 am Just want to share a blast from the past. In the first game in the series, Mafia: A World Apart, Yin and Yang were roles:

Yin – White twin, has BTSC with Yang. Looks good on odd nights, bad on even nights. Seeming alignment becomes permanent if Yang dies.

Yang – Black twin, has BTSC with Yin. Looks good on even nights, bad on odd nights. Seeming alignment becomes permanent if Yin dies.

If both Yin and Yang are alive, they may discover one player’s alignment each night. Yin and Yang do not join a team while both are alive. They can win by being the last players alive, but if one dies, the other’s alignment is stuck (if evil, the team they join will be decided by a coin toss). Yin and Yang can kill one another on any night they choose.

In this post, Ikkl Genius (Yin) confessed that he killed Diamond Dog (Yang) on Night 6. He claims to be Yang, killing his partner before his partner could betray the Civs and join a baddie team. This post actually convinced the Civs for some time, and I'll always remember it. Ikkl had killed DD to specifically join the baddies.

Thank you, I think in the World game here it was something like that too, I will look later if I have time.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] OK, I will go look for that in your cases in a little bit.