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Hey Chuck, why the Vanilla love?
Samesies, Jack.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:10 am The correct poll answer is chocolate chip cookie dough or that's how I roll but whatever.
Actually, I also kind of think so, too, and in the post sig thought was fluffy, I thought Chuck, and maybe you, were the ones who stood out.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:13 pm I don't think a favorite ice cream poll is at all alignment indicative for anyone. Like my favorite ice cream flavor doesn't fluctuate with my alignment.
Nobody is actually getting lynched for an ice cream flavor vote so even Michelle/Sig saying "Bet there's a scum here in the vanilla voters" could be the barest of distancing. Not that I think either of them is necessarily scum with a vanilla voter, just that I wouldn't even rule that out, it's such a nothing thing.
OK. You have a tendency to suspect me early and often, and that's cool. I just wanted to remind you that I do pay attention to you. Sometimes you treat your own observations as throw aways, and I wanted to see if this was that.sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:16 pmThe type of discussion makes you present, but overall didn't seem to contribute much.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:28 am OK, sig, I’m gonna explain this to you.
My question to Jules was a two fold question. Maybe even three fold. First, it served to help me sort her out. I like to know what I think of Jules pretty fast, and I find that gauging her answer to a direct question not directly related to her helps me with that. If she is bad, I don’t think she’s on a team with any of the vanilla voters, and I am leaning civ. I might ask G-Man a direct question, tooSecond, it correlates to the two posts I quoted above it, from Chuck and Jack. Of the 5 vanilla voters, they put no thoughts into the thread about their votes, Chuck moreso than Jack; Chuck just dropped his vote without any reason or discussion. If Zero polls with meaning are not common anymore, then maybe their votes mean nothing in particular. If they were more common, though, I would not expect a whole team to vote for them. Same would go for the three Pistacio voters. So, third, it’s a good way to start discussion on this topic, since I seem not to be the only one whose eye was caught by the vanilla voters.
Not sure why trying to start discussion is “fluffy”, but OK.![]()
Though it's been a very long time since we played together may just be your style.
SVS is always a plus
Have you ever had that moment in a game, right after you died, when suddenly, it was all clear. Yeah, we all have. The baddies are gonna have to try harder to be blendy this game becasue of this, not be over aggressive, becasue it's gonna be harder for them to blow off a mislynch with the victim still in the thread. It's gonna be harder for them to just NK people who get up in their grilles if the victim is still in the thread.Hosts with the most said:
Ghosts
When a player dies, their ghost remains in the thread for three more phases. A ghost may post on-topic thrice-twice-once, in successive phases, in dead-red text. A ghost can claim its Win Condition.
LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:50 pmWhat am I to you, a turnip?S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:48 pm Regarding strong reads, I think civs need to be hyper aggressive this game becasue of this:
Have you ever had that moment in a game, right after you died, when suddenly, it was all clear. Yeah, we all have. The baddies are gonna have to try harder to be blendy this game becasue of this, not be over aggressive, becasue it's gonna be harder for them to blow off a mislynch with the victim still in the thread. It's gonna be harder for them to just NK people who get up in their grilles if the victim is still in the thread.Hosts with the most said:
Ghosts
When a player dies, their ghost remains in the thread for three more phases. A ghost may post on-topic thrice-twice-once, in successive phases, in dead-red text. A ghost can claim its Win Condition.
I am always a pretty aggressive civ, but I tend to try to hold reads close to the vest becasue I don't want to paint targets on civs or give a baddie the heads up that they are under suspicion; sometimes I like to watch and draw them out, to see if they slip. But I think this is the game for full reads.
I want to see how the Zero poll plays out. Right now I like Nanook, I like sig, I like Nutella. I don't dislike Jules, TH, Jay, or Ted. I am not feeling Chuck so much or Sloonei. Sloonei getting all aggressive with sig rubs me the wrong way, becasue this is something I seem to recall seeing Sloonei doing fairly often, getting in sigs face. It's an easy stance for Sloonei to fall into. My thoughts on Chuck are wrapped up in his poll vote
Most everyone else is gray for me, or someone I am actively waffling about like Jack or G Man. I know G Man is hiding from G Woman, which I know was always a thing with him, but what little he wrote, meh. So him and Jack aren't really grey, but I could go either way. Some of the gray people, like Epi, Mac, and Tranq, are people I like to sort early, but it's Zero, so
I don't think I played with Michelle before; I did play with Dyslexicon, but not enough to have a basis of comparison.
I also see that Dom, Colin, Dragomir and Sabie have not checked in yet.
I'm just getting started, I will probably post some amazing walls o'text this game, I haven't played in a year and I'm having fun! I always over explain; irl, too. What can I say, I'm chatty. And in my over explaining post, I talked about how I thought discussing reads was important this game, and why. And then I gave my reads, since I said it was, imo, important. But I get your points. Plus people who don't know me always think I'm bad. I scouted out a few sites in the early days of this site, and when I played in different cultures, I almost always got lynched Day One.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pmOkay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.
You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.
So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?
Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.
Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.
So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.
You said "baddie" earlier. That is the term the founders of this forum used (and some still do) but I have not heard it much outside of us. I am curious to know where you played as well.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:43 pm Mm, I like talking about myself. Make me do it more.
Most people seem to say "scum" now. Maybe my question should have been in green? It wasn't really game related, I was just curious, not many people use that term.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie
I felt like Nanook was making fun of it,like it was a stupid questionsig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:02 pmNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie![]()
I actually loved svs question until she made it green.
This ^^
As I said earlier, he was in my grey area, I had no opinion on him since he had no on topic posts unti he said I pinged him. When I asked why, his explanation made sense and it nudged him out of grey into a greyish mossy green. That hasn't really changed.
YET ... yet... you then went on to lose your shit and call sig an idiot and talk about how stupid it was yada yada.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:01 pmNot stupid, just irrelevantS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:09 pmI felt like Nanook was making fun of it,like it was a stupid questionsig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:02 pmNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie![]()
I actually loved svs question until she made it green.![]()
Oh, OK, that makes sense, too. I was just wondering about where you played. I started at Lostpedia and, I know our terminology was diferent than most.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:20 amI just tend to start adopting a forum's local slang a bit. I say 'Indy' when playing here too, which I've not seen used anywhere else.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:48 pmYou said "baddie" earlier. That is the term the founders of this forum used (and some still do) but I have not heard it much outside of us. I am curious to know where you played as well.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:43 pm Mm, I like talking about myself. Make me do it more.
The one I can't accept is 'civilian', which is just such a mouthful when you could just say 'town' or 'vill'.![]()
(Having skimmed through the discussion of my usage of this term that followed, it was pointless and I'm going to ignore it.)
Hi GG-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, @ JaggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?
In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.
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As someone who has been playing with nutella for over 10 years (with some hiatuses [hiatii?]) I don't think she sounds fake. I think considering the back and forth Jack and she have had in many games, her thoughts on him sound pretty genuine.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:09 am
the first one into the second one is crucial for the next pointnutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:57 pmare you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.
[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
what have you done with jack??
would you actually be this obvious tho??
[VOTE: jack] aubergine
the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.
she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote
ew
it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.
The dark forces need to be brought down
Per the rules,Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:03 amNo joke. Made a bunch of progress on my dwarf campaign in Total Warhammer yesterday.
Unfortunately, I’m unlynchable and obvious town so I’m not going anywhere until a mafia says so.
I was unaware of this, although I do recall him saying it in a (I think) crossover game when he was bad teammates with Nutella, and I spent the whole game screaming to everyone that he was bad, and everyone ignored me. Good timesJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:43 pmSpoiler: show
Jack votes other than nutella and I. I'll get into her later, there's a whole Jack/nutella Thing to review. Epi's vote is standard fare, and I won't bother interpreting it until I see what he does with any resulting Jack dancing. sprityo's motivation isn't far removed from my own. Pretty much gut stuff; his reads look random. S~V~S's vote looks extremely authentic to me, because she has not likely been around the site to be familiar with Jack's running "unlynchable" gag. Dom's vote exists. There's the only name on the wagon that immediately perturbs me.
Asking questions is a very valid way to find baddies. I have heard people say this before, and I am not sure what it means, tbh.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:54 pmWhat does this mean? How do you distinguish my questions from something that you would call scumhunting?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:12 pmOkie dokie.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:09 pmSloonei and Ted pops into my head as interesting ISOs for what it's worth.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:06 pm Yeah, okay, I don't have the time or will to slog through the thread again. Just...give me someone(s) to ISO or summat.
Pre-ISO impressions:
Ted - liked his opening; I'd lean towards saying it's townie, with the caveat of a scum working hard to find the other team
Sloonei - when initially catching up on opening posts, I felt good about him; as I interacted with him in real time, I wasn't sure why; he feels quite reserved and prone to asking questions rather than help scumhunt - maybe that's his meta?
Hi Sabie!sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs
Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.
Obvs, I don't see eye to eye with you on Chuck, I agree re Jules and sig, though. I think nutella is civ, too. I had a good feel about Michelle, but I haven't reread her yet. Last time I saw Jay bad, he was VERY different to how he is here, so I am still getting a feel for him.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:30 pmJack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:18 pmWell, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.
I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.
Thank You!Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:35 pm SVS seems like a really cool person.
But I don't get why I've seen a number of TRs on her.
I think it's a GTH list, you have to make a snap judgment. That's why the only grays are people who have not posted.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pmBut there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.
Yes, that is what I am saying. You put me at the bottom of your rainbow earlier, you must have read my posts. Nanooks outburst felt to me like frustrated baddie chatroom anger spilling into the thread, I said pretty much this last night and more clearly this AM. But i am not as sure of their games so I was going to watch and see. I think he got too angry about a person not himself getting poked for something he felt was stupid. Annoyed, sure, but he seemed actively angry. I could be wrong, but this was how I felt.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:57 pmDoes this mean you think Nanook is teamed with Radish?
What does it mean that you don't understand my game (or Ted's game)? Can you be more specific?
OK, with his number of posts and quick jargon pick up I figured he had been in a few games and had probably played with all of the regulars.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:11 pmRadishes and I have never played together.S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:08 pmI think it's a GTH list, you have to make a snap judgment. That's why the only grays are people who have not posted.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pmBut there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.
This push towards Jay for Jay being Jay feels off to me, not unlike pushing towards Sloonei for being Sloonei. You have not played with me, but you have played with them, yes?
Goodtedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:40 am@ me in this I’ll explain laterMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:33 amWhat? This is a terrible read. What does it even mean?tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:31 amGood readDyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:20 pm I don't know why I feel resistance to read S-V-S as town. Cause she probably very well could be.
I know it reads as if I was being facetious or flip here, but I wasn't. I am reading her the opposite to Jack, and while my track record isn't what his is, I trust me more than him. So when I take Jacks opinion out of the equation, I am not seeing it. I am not seeing the basis for a nutella vote.
YES!! G Man has been getting into my mind as well. He has said he is busy and his wife does not know he is playing (and I know from the past that this is very possibly true, when I first 'met' him maybe 9 or so years ago, he had retired from playing for this reason back then and was only hosting) but I find him very concerning for reasons not unlike Jacks reasons for trying to lynch nutella, ironically. But that is why I have backburnered him to an extent; I don't want to try to lynch someone over his dynamic with me. But I found his vanilla vote disturbing, his lack of reasoning, especially in light of the discussion about whether the zero poll had benefits. One of the first things he does in a game is try to sort me out ever since we were teammates in BSG, and he has made no attempt to engage me at all. I have mentioned this several times, and nada from G Man.tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 am Hey I think G-man has decent odds at flipping scum by the way, anyone wanna talk about it?
Also, MR has been talked about by everyone early game, everyone threw jabs at him but he never got hard pushed so it makes me happier to see his wagon grow.
So was G-Man, but a much lower percentage.
This post comes to mind as a scum post. I need to check if triple J commented anything on this because it's a horribad postG-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, JaggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?
In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.
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I was curious about where he had played, and who he played with, since I had never run into another community that used the word baddie, and I posted that remark at the tail end of a conversation where someone (Jay? Sloonei?) had been questioning Radishes about his experience.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:16 pm @S~V~S I think I asked you why you asked Radish about the word "baddie" when you didn't think it was a slip or anything AI? Were you just curious in general or something?
It has to do with the Lassie role, he's being nice to you
I agree with Chuck, I think this was a good look for Jack, too, in conjunction with his waffling at the end. Had he not waffled, I might not have thought so.sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:47 pmIf he hadn't have backpedaled I'd agree. His post flip posts also read meh to me.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:42 pm Also that lynch post was perfect. Salutations to you nanook.
I think this lynch result is a good look for Jack.![]()
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Why do you think he looks good from it.
It can be a very powerful tool for the civvies if dead civs use it the right way, especially in the case of mislynches. It's like getting the perspective of the victim in a murder case. It's harder for baddies that participated in spinning a mislynch to do so if the victim is still in the thread. It's an interesting mechanic.
But that would have been the case if she were bad as well. With two bad teams the baddies are trying to lynch other team baddies for the cred. If anything the baddies want to avoid lynching civs with two teams, they let the civvies cannibalize themselves.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:58 pmWe know Nutella was not mafia. We know that mafia (of either team) are going to, therefore, gleefully nudge a mislynch. There will be scum on her wagon somewhere.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:47 pmHow do you plan to use the information we’ve gained?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:20 pm ...(Dizzy doesn't like me doing a Thing, so I'll expand, of course.)
Yeah, I asked who I should look at. Sometimes scum do that. Sometimes so do townies.
I've been trying not to play the 'I'm busy' card too hard because I'll end up a broken record, but I'm busy. I've not closely read everything. I'm going to be a follower this game, not a leader. Most of the D1 talking points (baddie-gate, for example) were not that worthwhile and by the time I was online they were over anyway, so I didn't bother to delve into them again. If I want to contribute to helping the town, I've got to do something.
The good news is now we have info, so I can play my own game.
Maybe in the final tally, but this far before EOD nah. It's possible, but lots of people had not voted and there were lots of tangent voters still.IMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:37 pmBut the baddies don't know who the civs are either. (There, I said 'civs'.)S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 pmBut that would have been the case if she were bad as well. With two bad teams the baddies are trying to lynch other team baddies for the cred. If anything the baddies want to avoid lynching civs with two teams, they let the civvies cannibalize themselves.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:58 pmWe know Nutella was not mafia. We know that mafia (of either team) are going to, therefore, gleefully nudge a mislynch. There will be scum on her wagon somewhere.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:47 pmHow do you plan to use the information we’ve gained?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:20 pm ...(Dizzy doesn't like me doing a Thing, so I'll expand, of course.)
Yeah, I asked who I should look at. Sometimes scum do that. Sometimes so do townies.
I've been trying not to play the 'I'm busy' card too hard because I'll end up a broken record, but I'm busy. I've not closely read everything. I'm going to be a follower this game, not a leader. Most of the D1 talking points (baddie-gate, for example) were not that worthwhile and by the time I was online they were over anyway, so I didn't bother to delve into them again. If I want to contribute to helping the town, I've got to do something.
The good news is now we have info, so I can play my own game.
So we say Scum Team A knows nutella is not one of them. Therefore they have no issue seeing her go. There were only three proper wagons - nute, Jack, me - and Jack's went stale and died off. Members of Scum Team A, doing the usual thing, will 'spread out' a bit. They won't coordinate exactly, but the odds of at least one of them slipping into an easy vote are high. (And, equally likely, at least one of my voters is from Scum Team A as well, regardless of what you consider my own alignment to be.)
Basically, I'm playing the odds/going off many years' experience. Nutella had at least one scum voter on her somewhere.
But I didn't know that. Do you always get pinged by people who make earnest replies to your inside joke they didn't know about?Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:46 pmI didn't ask. I posted a gif that I liked because there's always time for a Katya gif that's in theme.