The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 9:08 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:02 pm
polypies73 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:58 pm
polypies73 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:56 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:55 pm
polypies73 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 8:54 pmE
Is that your fav letter of the alphabet?
perhaps
Perhaps? Why so cagey?
what
Cagey: reluctant to give information

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:43 pm
Joe Who? wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:28 pm
Joe Who? wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:55 pm
BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:15 pm joe's 3 post iso is yikes. simply emojis... bruh.

Joe’s town. Duh.

Your participation level in this game is of epic proportions
Falcon is my first scumlean.

This is some level one shit.

Spoiler: show
So’s my read but whatever.

I'm not seeing this logic at all, and I feel like you fabricated it.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:12 pm kza back to town

genuinely dont know what 99% of my reads are sorry

this game big. my brain small.

I don't think KZA giving out meta info is AI. I still scumlean KZA.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:01 pm Town:
112
Stupid Sexy Flanders
falcon45ca
tutuu
sig
MacDougall
Alison
novaselineever
nutella

Neutral:
BoKnows
Made
Thunal33
MartinG99
Grand Scheme
Thundercat
Towny McTownface
Chuck
Joe Who?
Kylemii

Scummy:
KZA
NIK
Poison
polypies73
sabie12
JackofHearts2005

I wonder why I was bumped up to neutral from a scumlean earlier. I think 112 had an unrestrained entrance into the thread and his scumread on me felt like he believed it but he fell off a bit after that. I don't really like the 112 wagon though especially since MR and KZA are on it.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:51 pm it's my dad's birthday so i won't be on too much

Okay, then 112 falling off is understandable. I still have him as a small townlean from his early posts and that's the only wagon I'm really against.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:44 pm Thune broke the NIK/Poison/jack tie @Thunal33 Why'd ya decide to do this?

Both Sloonei and Jack have looked pretty scummy this game. I'm okay with all three of those wagons but Jack is the one I'm most confident in.

Well I just got up with 15 minutes left. Chopping the unchoppable is fine with me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 5:09 am Hahaha I can't believe the mafia are actually stacking to save Nik. That's too funny.

This doesn't make a lot of sense with the setup.

From skimming the thread during the night, Mac's kind of fallen off and he doesn't really seem to care about his takes. The menu readslist is meh.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 12:23 am Falcon, I appreciate the read list. Can you sum up the NIK one. I’m still 20+ pages behind.

I’ve watched two townie players post only emojis AND catch scum D1.

I’ve never seen a scum player do it.

It’s the kind of thing that draws a lot of attention and invites reads like “this player is slanking/being unhelpful, therefore scum.” Scum don’t generally care to play like that.

Eh, I've seen a scum post entirely images so I wouldn't rule it out.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:53 am I thought the menu readslist was hilarious tbh

It was fun to read but I think as far as alignment that menu readslist might be going stale.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:57 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:57 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:53 am I thought the menu readslist was hilarious tbh
It was fun to read but I think as far as alignment that menu readslist might be going stale.
I don’t even remember who posted it I just thought it was funny

Was it Made?

I thought it was Mac.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 10:59 am I [VOTE: nik] aubergine to save Jack. I believe Jack.

Do you know Jack claimed 3p?

nice

so Nutella is basically 100% locktown, Alison very likely town as well. LC might have been openwolfing with that EoD, but I genuinely can't decide if he would be that obviously trying to save his partner as scum.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:07 am ANNOUNCEMENT: THE OBLITERATOR HAS TRIED TO KILL @Made AS THE TRACKER AND FAILED

Does this clear Made?

this is going surprisingly well for town!

nvm the readslist was Made, I got that mixed up for some reason.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:08 am nice

so Nutella is basically 100% locktown, Alison very likely town as well. LC might have been openwolfing with that EoD, but I genuinely can't decide if he would be that obviously trying to save his partner as scum.
No, I'm just that lame. I'm far more likely to bus if he's my teammate, not that very regrettable crap.

It would be a strategically bad move, and it would basically rule out NIK from being mafia if the mafia knew each other and you were mafia.

What's a soup kill?

Is there a way to get the d1 final VC?

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:29 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:26 am
Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:08 am nice

so Nutella is basically 100% locktown, Alison very likely town as well. LC might have been openwolfing with that EoD, but I genuinely can't decide if he would be that obviously trying to save his partner as scum.
No, I'm just that lame. I'm far more likely to bus if he's my teammate, not that very regrettable crap.
I don't think I have ever read jack right in any games I play with him.
I believed he was 3rd party.

I thought if he was 3p then he shouldn't live since that's basically a free kill on non-town, and that he was 3p at best (maybe 3p or mafia, but not town).

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:06 am
Made wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:03 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:56 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:37 pm If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.
I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.
mafia don’t know eachother and have btsc with the mastermind. They all have host provided code names
we all cant read lol

okay so mafia dont even have mafia chat with each other

i guess that the obltierator/mastermind also doesnt nkow their real identities. he knows code names like

Red, Blue, Yellow, Orange

and these 4 codenamed ppl only have private chat with the mastermind, who gets to direct ppl aroudn/boss them around etc

yea, mafia kinda shafted in this setup

i suppose mafia could know some of each other's identities, depending on what did the obliterator tell them / lied about / guided them
This isn't necessarily true. Mafia could have btsc /w each other AND oblitstermind.
i suppose u could be right. maybe i misunderstood that sentence

i suppose i just cant imagine a caht with multiple ppl, all of them having codenames

like, a quick topic chat, where everyone has a code name

whats the point? eh whatevrs, it is also pretty weird for mafia to not even have communication

I thought mafia (including the mastermind) could talk to each other from what sprityo said, just anonymously. How could mafia decide who got which role if they couldn't talk at all?

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:37 am Mouser bad.
Obviously scum jumping on scum jack in the middle of the wagon.
Total scum move.

If you think being in the middle of the wagon looks towny, then what do you think of Master Radishes?

A lot of people are assuming mafia know each other while analyzing wagons but we don't know that. That's part of why I think Sabie isn't a great vote, she has a null ISO and her NIK vote isn't necessarily AI. I also feel like she has decent justification for her vote on NIK. With the amount of protectives and unknown kill mechanics I don't think an RB means much of anything.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 2:42 am Are self votes acceptable jokes here?
At home self votes are NEVER town.

I don't have a lot of experience on The Syndicate but I'm used to self-vote jokes being somewhat common.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 am Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh

Then the game would go on for at least 50 days and be quite boring.

Real counterpoints: If the jailer decides whether or not to kill, we're not killing every day and the mafia are killing every night, that gives us a disadvantage. If we recommend who the jailer kills and the jailer always kills that person, that's identical to just having an elim.

NIK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:41 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 2:22 am
NIK wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:57 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 1:47 am Haven't had good feeling on Sabie and sig. Seeing them on the NIK wagon gives me pause.

Cornered scum NIK usually just ghosts or lock votes on me and then ghosts.
I've been giving him leash and he's yet to sulk or act like a huge baby. Pair that with two scum leans voting for him. I dunno.

NIK, if you're town don't bitch out and sulk or some shit. Having a hard time taking my vote off you, but not a fan of a couple on your wagon.

Reads bitch, within the next two hours. Failure to do so will result in everything being your fault no matter how you flip.
But i was looking forward to it being your fault.

So have you caught up yet? I want your reads no matter how ridiculous or skim read they are.
You've gotta have something by now.
Anything
Fine FFs.
Jack. i might have missed something but his play as of when i have been paying attention isnt really all that scummy Correct me if i missed something
Tutu or whoever your tunnel target early was. She reminded me alot of me in some of my early games with her responses..i dont know her well enough but It could be caught scum or maybe she/he can get like that no matter of alliance. I find it interesting that at that time was her most active time...since then has kinda dropped off
Kza. Like i sad earlier his play isnt playfull enough yet for me. Hes playing and acting towny but he usually is alot more freeflowing...maybe hes just alot more serious in this new world
Falcon probably town but i dont trust him completely especially around new people. I also think tonight hes been too aggressive almost fakey aggressive
BK- null but hes playing weird once again new digs
Poison scum lean One of the most active early players but could only talk fluff (im a hypocrite i know) or talk tulu
McDougall null but kinda suspect keep pushing his dislike for the cdc trust and also early made a big list of his reads then mid game said how he didnt have much confidence or some shit with where the games at and his reads. When i isoed him i was suspect
Allison- after whatever it is she dropped its hard to imagine her not being town ill be impressed if shes anything but

Grand scheme town
Emoji guy- possibly dm
Thunal guy town from what i remember
SSF/LL probably town but like falcon i think you could ve capable of your best game with all these new hoes around. Liked your early play on tutu or whoever and how you went about it. Suprised you've since backed off as hard as you did....thats one thing you usually don't do.

any other players specifically you or others want an opinion on ill iso

I think NIK's lack of opinions throughout the game is unusual. This was the first time he gave any takes (when he was prompted to give takes) and a lot of these takes are hedgy like the ones on Tutuu, Kza, and Mac. It feels like NIK doesn't want to commit to any positions. I dislike how a lot of the townreads leave room for NIK to suspect them later on, like with Falcon.

Also I dislike how many of NIK's takes are meta based. Imo meta reads are among the easiest to fake as scum, and suspecting people NIK knows for being different when they're in a different environment can easily have an agenda behind it.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:15 am Im pretty convinced its just optimal to no lynch and let the jailer do the stuff tbh
There's a caveat to this though

we don't see flips from night kills afaik

Also this could be very bad if one of the mafia are capable of being a jailor; the Sloonei Mafia Templar was capable of BTSC with anyone with their abilities and so could act as if they were jailor but just never executed someone or etc etc

Also the jailor could get shot at night, we no-lynch the next day without even knowing the jailor died

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:03 pm Finally, this is a Semi-Open Setup with role reveals on lynches and day kills unless otherwise prevented. Night kills will be no reveals unless changed.
(Made text in red since I don't think people saw me bring this up last time)

Personally I'm against the idea of no-lynches because I feel like it would be riskier for town, especially since a lot of town abilities are single-use.

That's a good point, I forgot about the no flips for night kills.

I don't think NIK's roleblock means anything either btw. He almost certainly wouldn't have carried the kill.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:34 pm Also I dislike how many of NIK's takes are meta based. Imo meta reads are among the easiest to fake as scum, and suspecting people NIK knows for being different when they're in a different environment can easily have an agenda behind it.

Eh I thought about this a little more and I think the reliance on meta might be NAI, I don't know a lot of people who rely on meta significantly more as scum than as town.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:06 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:55 pm Ponderous proclivities:

Falc and Flanders are town for meta reasons. Kaz too probably, though I think he's gone a bit quiet so far D2 so maybe he slips down a bit.

Nutella is town because she's getting little bites and gnawing at them, but without overdoing it or anything.

Mac is town because he insisted he'd slank and then couldn't help himself and is throwing around reads like he's super confident when he obviously is just throwing shit at a wall.

Alison is probably town, but I reserve a bit of hesitation because I've not seen anything that locks that in for me.

I just sort of like the sound of Made and Martin. I don't know why. They seem comfortable. These are vague impressions but ones I feel better about than others.

I don't think there's anyone else I feel ready to place firmly above the line. Some are pure null, others I could create a reasonable narrative where they're mafia if I wanted to.
Ok, found a game solvey post. Classic MR right here, make a townlist and PoE the rest.

Do you think that's towny? I think MR would do that as any alignment since he was prompted to do it and he's been pretty meh and null in his other posts. Nothing about MR's posts or Poison's posts makes me think that slot is town.

Also I have a lot of schoolwork this week so I won't be as involved for the next couple day phases as I was D1.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:28 pm Also I have a lot of schoolwork this week so I won't be as involved for the next couple day phases as I was D1.
A lot of people have had to deal with that as of late.

Personally I got 3 projects due by next monday/tuesday, and soon after that I gotta start studying for finals ;-;

Ugh. I have a project due Thursday and a project due Friday.

And I also have some of my finals this week.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:38 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:24 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:06 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:55 pm Ponderous proclivities:

Falc and Flanders are town for meta reasons. Kaz too probably, though I think he's gone a bit quiet so far D2 so maybe he slips down a bit.

Nutella is town because she's getting little bites and gnawing at them, but without overdoing it or anything.

Mac is town because he insisted he'd slank and then couldn't help himself and is throwing around reads like he's super confident when he obviously is just throwing shit at a wall.

Alison is probably town, but I reserve a bit of hesitation because I've not seen anything that locks that in for me.

I just sort of like the sound of Made and Martin. I don't know why. They seem comfortable. These are vague impressions but ones I feel better about than others.

I don't think there's anyone else I feel ready to place firmly above the line. Some are pure null, others I could create a reasonable narrative where they're mafia if I wanted to.
Ok, found a game solvey post. Classic MR right here, make a townlist and PoE the rest.
Do you think that's towny? I think MR would do that as any alignment since he was prompted to do it and he's been pretty meh and null in his other posts. Nothing about MR's posts or Poison's posts makes me think that slot is town.
I think it's so within the exact way MR arranges his lists, that it's almost TOO exactly the way MR arranges his lists, if that makes sense.

It does actually. I haven't played with MR before and don't remember much of his play from champs, but the timing of that list and the lack of takes before it does feel a bit like trying to look towny to fulfill people's expectations. Kinda like how people were bugging SPF (who was scum) in Grasslands to provide interaction analyses so she made them basically exactly like she did in champs so she would look towny from it and fulfill people's expectations.

It bothers me that MR is the only person that thinks NIK could just be a townie in a new environment and is giving NIK way more of a chance than anyone else is. It feels like MR might have TMI about NIK being not mafia, so I'd actually vote MR over NIK right now (haven't completely caught up yet).

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

This is probably pretty unlikely but what if NIK is a jester?

112 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:47 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:45 am It bothers me that MR is the only person that thinks NIK could just be a townie in a new environment and is giving NIK way more of a chance than anyone else is. It feels like MR might have TMI about NIK being not mafia, so I'd actually vote MR over NIK right now (haven't completely caught up yet).
disagree

MR is the type who would state doubts as town

i totally believe this is a read he would have

and i'm sort of warming up to tp nik

If not MR or NIK, who do you suspect?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:37 am If I am playing the way I am playing I am a townsiding mafia. The optimal thing to do is turn on me in the late game if I don't manage to get myself cleared somehow strongly. Let me townside and kill my team off then kill me. There's no pro town agenda behind tinfoiling me at this juncture.

I don't like this defense. I disagree with this reasoning because if we can elim a mafia over a townie then that's good for town no matter who that mafia might be "siding" with. Also a "townsiding mafia" could be an important mafia PR. This doesn't come from a towny mindset.

I don't really want to elim someone who just isn't here and hasn't done anything since I actually don't think that group is as likely to be scum as the midposter group based on past experience with a similar sized game that had a lot of slankers. In that game literally all the slankers were town and scum easily won by just posting enough to get by. I don't think all the slankers are town here but eliming a slanker feels like a shot in the dark and is probably less likely to hit scum at this point.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:04 am I don't really want to elim someone who just isn't here and hasn't done anything since I actually don't think that group is as likely to be scum as the midposter group based on past experience with a similar sized game that had a lot of slankers. In that game literally all the slankers were town and scum easily won by just posting enough to get by. I don't think all the slankers are town here but eliming a slanker feels like a shot in the dark and is probably less likely to hit scum at this point.

Looking at Polypies' ISO it doesn't look good but it just looks like a bunch of nothing. Kinda feels rand so I don't really want to go on that wagon.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:35 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 10:55 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:37 am If I am playing the way I am playing I am a townsiding mafia. The optimal thing to do is turn on me in the late game if I don't manage to get myself cleared somehow strongly. Let me townside and kill my team off then kill me. There's no pro town agenda behind tinfoiling me at this juncture.
I don't like this defense. I disagree with this reasoning because if we can elim a mafia over a townie then that's good for town no matter who that mafia might be "siding" with. Also a "townsiding mafia" could be an important mafia PR. This doesn't come from a towny mindset.
Nah it's onbrand for town mac. He used this logic a few times when I was hydraing with him in game 1.

Okay. I don't feel great about Mac since he's more UTR than usual and it feels like he's been repeating his takes a lot instead of making new ones or engaging with others, but I wouldn't elim him today.

sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 2:05 pm
Thundercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 11:21 am
sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 9:24 am I'd also think once Jack was close to being lynched he'd out himself in scum chat to try and get saved, so maybe we should take another look at the players who did the later swing on NIK.

This is a reasonable assumption. Is there even a point in mafia have a scum chat if it's anonymous to the point where they couldn't even hint at who each other are?

Exactly, I think its even a stretch to assume they just didn't all reveal themselves right away. Obliterator needs them alive and can only soup based off roles so why not?

Basically I'm now thinking we should ignore the whole anonymous thing and just assume mafia revealed themselves

I think it's a fairly safe bet that the mafia would try to guess who each other are based on posts in maf chat if they didn't reveal themselves, so they still have more info than town.

I think wagoning NIK over someone else just because the slot needs to be resolved isn't good logic. I don't really like either the NIK or Poly wagons but I can't say I dislike them or object to them either. That's the problem when a large portion of the game doesn't give many takes.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:08 pm I think wagoning NIK over someone else just because the slot needs to be resolved isn't good logic. I don't really like either the NIK or Poly wagons but I can't say I dislike them or object to them either. That's the problem when a large portion of the game doesn't give many takes.

NIK is a better wagon than Poly imo because NIK actually did things that were a bit scummy (like not wanting to give takes until prompted, giving a lot of hedgy reads), while Poly hasn't done much of anything.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:09 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:08 pm I think wagoning NIK over someone else just because the slot needs to be resolved isn't good logic. I don't really like either the NIK or Poly wagons but I can't say I dislike them or object to them either. That's the problem when a large portion of the game doesn't give many takes.
Do you plan to land your vote somewhere or are you just gonna keep shrugging at all the options and grumble about not being happy with them?

If the wagons look like this later I'll probably vote NIK. I feel like I'm not comfortable/prepared to vote rn since I haven't had the time to ISO people and I don't have really strong suspects. I suspect you/NIK/Mac/Nova/maybe KZA somewhat.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:45 pm
Thundercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:29 am @sprityo what's the resolution on your screen?
yes

i dont know

The MR ISO on the first page doesn't work.

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I hate this wagon the least. Also I looked through NIK's ISO and there's nothing redeeming about it.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:02 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:59 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:45 pm
Thundercat wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:29 am @sprityo what's the resolution on your screen?
yes

i dont know
The MR ISO on the first page doesn't work.
I don't have an iso.

This is a dream.

You're dreaming Master Radishes subbed into a mafia game you're playing.

That sound you hear? That's your alarm going off.

Wake up Thunal.

A couple nights ago I actually dreamed you flipped town.

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