The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:32 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:19 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:16 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:13 pm @dyachei Have you played with Thunal before?
yes, several mashes and turbos
How do you think her tone is more stiff than normal here? Doesn't she always have kind of a stiff tone?

Genuine question, cause you may be right that it's even more stiff =p
it's more formal, there's no relaxation evident. usually when thunal posts in other games I can see her warming up to playing and she gets more comfortable as she plays. here I'm just seeing that "discomfort" stick around. she doesnt have that spark of excitement she gets when she starts solving something. she's solving her but it feels like she's just going through the motions
I acknowledge this and register it as an argument against Thunal, but it does not resonate with me. I do not have enough experience playing with Thunal (I believe we have just one game together and I was a big bad wolf, so I wasn't exactly trying to read her) for these observations to mean a whole lot to me.

Is there anything more tangible we can point to for a thunal case? @everyone, not just dya.

Just so you know, my different tone and lack of excitement this game is because of real life.

Cat is looking a bit better. It feels like he's bound by what he believes in when he's defending himself. I feel like he'd be all over me if he was mafia because I'm the most likely yeet option that isn't him.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'm not going to try to read Dya right now since I know I'll be completely biased in any attempt to read her and I'm not feeling good for out of game reasons (which might also influence my read).

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:55 pm I'm not going to try to read Dya right now since I know I'll be completely biased in any attempt to read her and I'm not feeling good for out of game reasons (which might also influence my read).

them, sorry

cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:04 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:55 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:36 pm Do you have any thoughts on any of the people who are voting for you?
Here to wait for my death. Not to solve me, atleast judging from the last few pages. You will wait for D2 and then blame it on inactivity or something. A bunch of people prodding at others to avoid backlash later probably. It took one post to look at Thunal/dyachei interaction that dyachei is completely ignoring Thunal right now to push them . Nutella is being helpful and actually doing stuff. I'm not sure why you are trying to counterwagon right now when i'm the top wagon.
Please name names.
Also is that an accusation directed against dya? Why? I do not know what you are referring to.
Pretty much everyone around is guilty. The people who openly don't give a shit are the towniest right now. Kylemii and Syn from what i can tell.
Inbetween me arriving and making my second post. I don't know the full context, but Thunal writes a defense, and Dyachei skips half of it and focuses on the emotional content. I don't know if Thunal is actually suspicious but it makes thunal look towny from an outsider's perspective.

This is interesting. I actually think not caring about solving is >rand scum because scum doesn't have the same motivation to solve for the other scum as town does to solve for scum. I feel like it would make sense from town!Cat who doesn't care to think the opposite since he's not caring a lot. I'm skimming Cat's ISO right now and it feels different from both the town ISOs and the scum ISO in his previous games. He's putting in more effort than he did in any of those games.

Both Cat and Falcon have a somewhat apathetic response to them being wagons. I like Cat's reaction a bit better than Falcon's because Cat is at least trying a little to give a legacy.

Townreads (in no order):
Nutella
Martin
Tutuu
Michelle
Tim

I also townlean Mac for much less concrete reasons than the five townreads I gave. I liked his multiball strategy post and he feels like town!Mac, but I do wonder why he gave up that strategy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:43 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:40 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:35 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:26 am
What was Hyenas claim?
A role that could choose one person from the living to talk to a dead person each night. I thought it was a town role at first because of what it was but someone brought up that there was a role like that that was scum and I wanted to know if Hyena's role was specifically based on that scum role.

This "scumslip" tilts me a little bit. I've tried really hard to communicate clearly this game especially with my PoE status and I swear I did not scumslip and I'm not scum.
Talk to me about this scumslip. What did you do from your perspective and how is this a scum thing?
Mac says I'm caught mafia because he thinks me forgetting that Hyena's exact role was scum in a different game was somehow a scumslip. I'm not even sure why he thinks I scumslipped but he's saying I'm caught mafia.
That seems rather weak for Mac to push so strongly on.

@MacDougall I thought you were a Mafia God?
Does it?

You said it was antitown to make pushes and cases this game since it's multiball. Why are you making pushes and cases anyway?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:39 pm well... in my opinion these types of reads work when you know the person well and youre noticing small stuff like this

i dont believe youve played with dyachei before, and in my experience i have seen towns use the words they used, its not a scumtell, and while dya could be scum i think applying this read on them will have random accuracy

i ... was trying to say that in the most kind and respectful way, maybe i overdid it and came across as too condescending, not the intent, but, when i see types of reads that wont land well from my experience i will speak up about it since its in my interest to do so!
Sure. The response I got from you and nutella was "dya is just town", so I'll just accept that for now. It was a thing that I noticed that I pointed out, but I do appreciate the response.

Dismissing might not have been the right word for me to use, but it did feel like something in that ballpark. And despite my assertion that word usage is a useful tool, I'll admit that I'm not the best with using the right words in the right era.

Dya has a pretty big wolfrange so I'm not townreading them now. It concerns me how hyperfocused Dya's been on me this game, I dislike how they've spent more time and effort pushing me than on sorting people out or on any of their other reads.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:59 pm how come no one is explaining to me why we're killing cat

I would really appreciate it if, for example,

someone told me who or what started the Cat wagon

because that *totally* couldn't affect reads based on cat's flip

I don't remember who started it, but nutella gave some ISOs of Cat in previous games and said that Cat was more like their scum game, and I read the ISOs and agreed. I feel like now they're different from both metas and their reaction to being wagoned looks towny.

Is this game open night or closed night?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:03 pm Is this game open night or closed night?
We don't know D:

It wasn't mentioned apparently. But quite a few people are requesting it be closed.

Okay. I'll give a legacy now then incase I end up vigged tonight.

Readslist in pretty colors:

Towncore:
Tutuu - her stuff about not wanting to be NKed and being concerned she's playing too towny I like, and she's seemed really towny this game
Michelle - I think her posting VCs shows she cares the game is solved and afaik she's out of her wolf range
Nutella - Her amount of content and conviction in her pushes is out of her wolf range
Martin - He's felt really genuine this game and I like how much work he put into his read on me

Townleans:
Tim - takes seem genuine, looks like he cares about his solving
Marmot - seems more like his town games and it feels like he's solving by sort of poking around
Sloonei - has a depth of thinking that I didn't see from scum!Sloonei
JPIC - might be biased, but I liked his treatment of me
Cat - I felt like his reaction to being wagoned with not caring about defending himself but instead trying to get a sense of the gamestate was towny
Syn - he's in the background but afaik he always is, I feel like him continuing to pursue Nutella is towny even though I disagree

Not sure:
Macdougall
Made
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Jack
Long Con
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon

Suspects:
Dya - I'm probably biased for this one but I feel like they're disregarding my reasons about my tone being off and I'd expect them to be correct on me or at least not pushing me this much as town
Master Radishes - I somewhat trust Nutella and Dizzy's reads and I disliked his earlier push on Nutella
112 - I dislike how she's been jumping around with reads and not really wanting to get into them, and I also disliked that she didn't go back and try to read me again after she mistook some posts that weren't mine for mine
Hyena - I disliked how he put off suspicion on him as a reaction test and I think it's pretty likely his claim is a mafia role with fakeclaim flavor considering that it doesn't fit his flavor and it was a scum role in a previous game
Falcon - seems to be going through the motions this game, I get the sense he doesn't care about his pushes or about who gets yeeted

3p:
Alison

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:36 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:30 pm@Hyena you've stirred the pot enough. We've only got a few hours left. Time to start putting the pieces together. What are the major reads you have, and why? Who might be getting your vote today?
I got you, fam. I'm finishing up my current session of Animal Crossing right now, and I'll see what I can put together. @Sloonei
Also @Sloonei, I was thinking about hooking up @Alison with whoever we yeet today on D2. Then, if I'm still alive on D3, hooking that same dead person with someone else alive so that we can see if Alison will cooperate with us. What do you think about that?

Alison might not give us any info since she doesn't want to townside. Maybe we should hook up a mostly townread person that isn't likely to eat an NK.

What about Sloonei for Hyena's dead chat? I feel like he'll be useful in there.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:36 pm Readslist in pretty colors:

Towncore:
Tutuu - her stuff about not wanting to be NKed and being concerned she's playing too towny I like, and she's seemed really towny this game
Michelle - I think her posting VCs shows she cares the game is solved and afaik she's out of her wolf range
Nutella - Her amount of content and conviction in her pushes is out of her wolf range
Martin - He's felt really genuine this game and I like how much work he put into his read on me

Townleans:
Tim - takes seem genuine, looks like he cares about his solving
Marmot - seems more like his town games and it feels like he's solving by sort of poking around
Sloonei - has a depth of thinking that I didn't see from scum!Sloonei
JPIC - might be biased, but I liked his treatment of me
Cat - I felt like his reaction to being wagoned with not caring about defending himself but instead trying to get a sense of the gamestate was towny
Syn - he's in the background but afaik he always is, I feel like him continuing to pursue Nutella is towny even though I disagree

Not sure:
Macdougall
Made
Kylemii
DrWilgy
Jack
Long Con
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
Dyslexicon

Suspects:
Dya - I'm probably biased for this one but I feel like they're disregarding my reasons about my tone being off and I'd expect them to be correct on me or at least not pushing me this much as town
Master Radishes - I somewhat trust Nutella and Dizzy's reads and I disliked his earlier push on Nutella
112 - I dislike how she's been jumping around with reads and not really wanting to get into them, and I also disliked that she didn't go back and try to read me again after she mistook some posts that weren't mine for mine
Hyena - I disliked how he put off suspicion on him as a reaction test and I think it's pretty likely his claim is a mafia role with fakeclaim flavor considering that it doesn't fit his flavor and it was a scum role in a previous game
Falcon - seems to be going through the motions this game, I get the sense he doesn't care about his pushes or about who gets yeeted

3p:
Alison

Nanook is in the townlean tier since he feels like town!Nook.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.

It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.

cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:32 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:22 pm Cat, have you paid attention to people voting you? Who do you think could be the scum jumping on your train?

(If you're town and you end up going over, it'd be good to have your perspective noted.)
No i haven't, i've made walls consistantly and the post i left off at was Dyslexicon snapping back at someone. (I forgot who ) From what i can tell the people voting me didn't like my response to MacDougall so i can't say anyone is wolfy. I don't get pinged when i'm voted so i don't know the context.
On the wagon i have a slight scumread on Nutella, and townread on tutuu. Everyone else is either a mixed bag or i have pretty much no opinion on. Like i said the most important people are the people off wagon or dancing around suspiciously and that is where town usually ignores since they are too focused on "wow, voting townie, there must be scum there".

I think this post is towny.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.
No.

You aren't correct.

My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:48 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
What's wrong with self prez votes? There's no otherwise, that's what it is
I did say "otherwise".

You didn't have anything to say about your vote, you just dropped it and moved on. That's my qualm here.
Okie dokie. It was a self prez vote, so I didn't think it really needed explanation, BUT! I will take that into consideration in the future

What do you think of the wagons right now?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:48 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:47 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:45 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:06 pm
cat wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:02 pm [VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine
See you later, or after the game.
This took a lot of courage

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:11 pm [VOTE: VOTE CAT] aubergine

Guess how long it took me to go thru the ISO?

5 minutes between these posts (that's my answer falcon).

I guess this is a self-prez vote, but it's otherwise pretty bad.
It's actually not a self pres vote, if it were a self pres vote made at that time it would be on me.
No.

You aren't correct.
My wagon was bigger than yours when Cat voted.
i..... don't think this is true? i'm p sure the cat wagon has been ahead since last night

I meant I was ahead of Falcon.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:50 pm oh wait you are talking about cat's vote themself not falcon's vote lmao nvm i did not follow this entire exchange dont mind me

Yeah I meant Cat's vote on Falcon wasn't just self pres.

for anyone, who are Cat's teammates if they're mafia?

Hyena is looking a little better for asking how his ability should be used.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:58 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:51 pm Ah, I understand now
Made is a reasonable first guess.

I think falcon should be considered (regardless of flip). I know they're voting each other, but falcon voting cat after reading his iso doesn't sit well with me. Yes it could be self-prez, and yes the ISO thing was a joke, but he still mentioned it as if that was a reason for voting there.

More research needed for other parties.

I agree with this.

Just so you know why I'm not here, I don't have time to play the game now and I'm being replaced.

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