The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:12 pm So let me get this straight.

The proposal of the Day is to lynch Long Con for saying RIP or some such thing.

Or lynch Dom who went after sig out of the gate and followed that up by going after the recruit leader.

Do I have that right?

I mean those are two proposals that have thusfar been brought forth.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:15 pm Ok, I don't see where Dom pushed for her after his ISO. I guess the thing I've got to wrestle with is whether this is just a style point, i.e., this is the way Dom does his ISO's. It will help me Tony when you give some meat to your feeling that he's "off".

linki, lol Epi now you know why I'm asking all these "but why" questions

Give me about an hour and I’ll come back to this. The short of it is that the sense I’ve gotten of Dom from what others have told me and from what I’ve read of games that he’s in and even in this game is that he’s an aggressive player in general. Given that, the expectation would be that he finishes his cases. Dom instead hasn’t finished any cases.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:05 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:52 pm Wished I could just get out of this game.

Creature, earlier in this game I saw you as town but as I stated in the thread at the time, there was more information that I didn't want to reveal. What I was talking about was your behavior as scum down the road in Arrowverse, specifically you started out fine with all those one line posts you do but then by Day 3 you had petered out and then ultimately got replaced. Your behavior in this game now reminds me of that one. You didn't post at all Day 3 that I saw and I didn't see any reason you weren't here. Now you are moaning that you don't want to be here. Why should I still believe you are town? Isn't your behavior here like it was in Arrowverse?

I think it's NAI.

You think?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:15 pm Ok, I don't see where Dom pushed for her after his ISO. I guess the thing I've got to wrestle with is whether this is just a style point, i.e., this is the way Dom does his ISO's. It will help me Tony when you give some meat to your feeling that he's "off".

linki, lol Epi now you know why I'm asking all these "but why" questions

Give me about an hour and I’ll come back to this. The short of it is that the sense I’ve gotten of Dom from what others have told me and from what I’ve read of games that he’s in and even in this game is that he’s an aggressive player in general. Given that, the expectation would be that he finishes his cases. Dom instead hasn’t finished any cases.

OK Tony that would be great. I have to go for a swim now anyway.

Hello I just read Dom games for almost an hour and I am not able enough to parse what is going on in most of them to make a compelling argument on that front. I am obliged by honor as well not to talk about another ongoing game, which is the only real opportunity I’ve had to get a feel outside of this game for how Dom plays. I am not spending more time on this I have things to get done tonight.

It is, however, scummy in general not to finish cases. Town has investment in cases, a town ISO suggests that an attempt was made to gain information and make some progress towards town victory. A town member who believes they have strong evidence also believes that this is the key to success and will always pursue that outside of specific examples otherwise. Because almost all mafia ISOs/reads are performative they do not in theory have investment in the cases they've made because they have not gained information. Mafia is free to make any statements but isn’t compelled to act on them because they don’t have new information to defend — they already know who is scum and who is not. This doesn’t mean that mafia members are more likely to change their mind or that town members are less likely to do so but it does mean that Mafia has no reason to be attached to reads.
Of note: this has been the cornerstone of at least two cases previously made in this game: mine against Epi 1.0 and Epi’s against Luna. Both were wrong(ish).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:46 pm Tony, it appears Dom isn't getting lynched. What is your opinion of Creature?

Meh. Lynch the guy who wants to be lynched unless he decides otherwise? I’m indifferent.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:08 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:46 pm Tony, it appears Dom isn't getting lynched. What is your opinion of Creature?

Meh. Lynch the guy who wants to be lynched unless he decides otherwise? I’m indifferent.

He was indifferent from like seventeen minutes into this.

It's a fucking act.

So if it’s an act then he’ll see that he’s up for lynch and then stop being indifferent? And then he lynch him for that because that’s the scum? Or we just play chicken force him off the bridge.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:19 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:11 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:08 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 05, 2019 11:46 pm Tony, it appears Dom isn't getting lynched. What is your opinion of Creature?

Meh. Lynch the guy who wants to be lynched unless he decides otherwise? I’m indifferent.

He was indifferent from like seventeen minutes into this.

It's a fucking act.

So if it’s an act then he’ll see that he’s up for lynch and then stop being indifferent? And then he lynch him for that because that’s the scum? Or we just play chicken force him off the bridge.

If Creature is your teammate, I'm sorry actually.

Rare time I use the word "actually."

If I were w/w with creature Creature would be getting something different than the meh treatment.

A revisit: after day 1 lynch I said that either Creature was scum or everyone on his wagon was. I just checked and everyone on his wagon has since flipped to not be on BTSC. Cool.

I think he’s like sixth or seventh most likely to be scum which translates to maybe 30 percent. He isn’t currently contributing much to town but he isn’t gone enough to be a liability to town come endgame. So don’t lynch him? Maybe? LC and Dom and Drago and Owner are all more likely scum in my opinion.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:33 am I want to lynch sabie.

Okay I can get behind this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:33 am I want to lynch sabie.

Or [mention]sprityo[/mention]

Scum buckets:

Sprityo
Sabie
Creature

Dom
Dys
Drago

LC
Owner
Creature
Drago

Everyone else


I am willing to bet that of these four buckets each has at least one of the remaining mafia members. If I’m wrong which bucket doesn’t have one?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:45 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:42 am Scum buckets:

Sprityo
Sabie
Creature

Dom
Dys
Drago

LC
Owner
Creature
Drago

Everyone else


I am willing to bet that of these four buckets each has at least one of the remaining mafia members. If I’m wrong which bucket doesn’t have one?

I don't understand this.

Oh I thought this was a clear exercise but then again I usually do and then everyone is confused. Of these four sets of players, I think there is 1(+) scum in each of the groups. If one group is not likely to have scum, which group would it be?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:11 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:49 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:45 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:42 am Scum buckets:

Sprityo
Sabie
Creature

Dom
Dys
Drago

LC
Owner
Creature
Drago

Everyone else


I am willing to bet that of these four buckets each has at least one of the remaining mafia members. If I’m wrong which bucket doesn’t have one?

I don't understand this.

Oh I thought this was a clear exercise but then again I usually do and then everyone is confused. Of these four sets of players, I think there is 1(+) scum in each of the groups. If one group is not likely to have scum, which group would it be?

How are the people in each bucket related to each other?

They’re cousins

One bucket is LC and the people on LC. One bucket is the scummy players who have contributed a lot to the game and have interactions that are prohibitive to all three being scum. One bucket is the skaters. Between those three buckets are the eight players I think are most likely to be scum. On a rough probability scale the other 6 sum to over 50 percent likelihood of scum so I threw that in as the fourth group.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:25 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:47 am One bucket is LC and the people on LC. One bucket is the scummy players who have contributed a lot to the game and have interactions that are prohibitive to all three being scum. One bucket is the skaters. Between those three buckets are the eight players I think are most likely to be scum. On a rough probability scale the other 6 sum to over 50 percent likelihood of scum so I threw that in as the fourth group.

So by deduction I should be in "the scummy players who have contributed a lot", but nowhere in your ISO do I find any reference to you scum reading or sussing Sloonmeister, and you have not expressed a scum read on me either. You also have a direct comparison to Dizzy.01. So what's scummy about me?

We can’t lynch you today so I’m not going through the details. Also you are in that bucket you can tell cause I typed them out.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:19 pm Cool, I just overlooked a whole Indy role. So we are 6 scum left in the game. Scum the lot of you

My guess is Othar is town friendly? Am I missing another one?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:04 pm Sabie looks bad but not as bad as Creature.

Honestly, Tony’s bucket thing looks pretty bad. Seems like the kinda thing I’d come up with to justify stupid reads.

“I arbitrarily guessed there are +1 scum in this arbitrary bucket. Therefore *bad vote*”

The bad votes I could justify with it are Creature and Drago and I think it’s clear where I stand on at least a creature lynch. Though I might have gotten the idea from something you’ve done as scum because I’ve seen you do it before.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:36 pm Because drag and owner are clearly buds with creature.

I don’t think so.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:49 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:46 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 3:36 pm Because drag and owner are clearly buds with creature.

I don’t think so.

How not?

All three of them are voting for LC. That never happens if they’re all scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:05 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:20 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:14 pmWe can’t lynch you today so I’m not going through the details. Also you are in that bucket you can tell cause I typed them out.

I would like you to explain it anyway, cause it seems to come out of nowhere to me.

Tony, you're not going to comment on this?

I am working I cannot explain this in 30 seconds of typing or less furthermore I don’t feel the need to explain the equivalent of a low yellow rainbow read.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:07 pm What if I did this

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

oh no

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:35 pm [quote=Jackofhearts2005 post_id=550381 time=<a href="tel:1565107445">1565107445</a> user_id=541]
Sabie looks bad but not as bad as Creature.

Honestly, Tony’s bucket thing looks pretty bad. Seems like the kinda thing I’d come up with to justify stupid reads.

“I arbitrarily guessed there are +1 scum in this arbitrary bucket. Therefore *bad vote*”

i am going to sheep Jack in his read for Creature.
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Creature wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:40 pm Do you really think scum prefer to sheep each other rather than sheep wrong town and then blame them?

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:43 pm I think the more people tell me what scum never do, the more I think I'm onto something, lol. Fwiw I was on a baddie team years ago that consistently voted together and it worked well exactly for this reason.

There are groups where I could see this be a valid strategy. Not Owner/Drago/Creature.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:00 pm No takers on Tony. Creature and Sabie wagons intensifies. LC wagon also static

oh no

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 4:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 1:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:04 pm Sabie looks bad but not as bad as Creature.

Honestly, Tony’s bucket thing looks pretty bad. Seems like the kinda thing I’d come up with to justify stupid reads.

“I arbitrarily guessed there are +1 scum in this arbitrary bucket. Therefore *bad vote*”

The bad votes I could justify with it are Creature and Drago and I think it’s clear where I stand on at least a creature lynch. Though I might have gotten the idea from something you’ve done as scum because I’ve seen you do it before.

The idea to do a thing as scum that you had seen me do as scum?

You’ve done the bucket thing before. I was like “oh that looks interesting”. Maybe you did it as scum, maybe you did it as Town. I’m not scanning hcrealms to find out if Town Jack at one point approved of my strategy.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 5:27 pm I agree with the "wolf" thing though. It's called scum. Wolves are cute, scum are not cute.

Wolves eat people’s faces off.
That said this isn’t werewolfthepack.com

Oh is day over? Should we not be talking?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 7:51 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 12:04 pm Sabie looks bad but not as bad as Creature.

Honestly, Tony’s bucket thing looks pretty bad. Seems like the kinda thing I’d come up with to justify stupid reads.

“I arbitrarily guessed there are +1 scum in this arbitrary bucket. Therefore *bad vote*”

it's buffet style player salad

idk sounds good to me

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:22 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:18 pm This is taking long to close.

Yes, I was thinking someone said we weren't supposed to be posting so I left. Tony I thought. But I guess since DDL didn't lock the thread it's all good.

It's interesting. Technically since we can't change votes these posts don't function like a simple extension of the day phase and thus I guess could theoretically provide some anti-rules advantage. But I have no clue what those advantages would be so I think it's fine to just read it as a day phase running long.

Okay Dom in the other game which we can now talk about you were town and pursued a case about another townie aggressively. Here you "lead" the case against Nutella except that was basically an ISO and a vote; you put more substance into the case here but to me it seemed like it lacked the same passion. Maybe I'm wrong. Obviously different circumstances and all that, but someone said something I think in this game that gave me the impression that you are in fact generally a very aggressive player and that is not the impression I've gotten so far. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

On the "vague case" thing. Yes it's vague. Oh well. I think you're scum. I don't have a wall of evidence. Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence. Also Nutella would still have full interest in hunting scum given her role; the fact that she was neutral doesn't make that case any less viable.

On the "whatever to whoever" thing. Fair I guess. I tried to define "off" but it didn't really go so well. To clear things up I didn't intend for equal opportunity attacker to be negative and when I reviewed some of your games I saw a lot of posts of the same style so I'm going to call it NAI.

On the salad thing (which I'm getting very defensive about and if when the game is over I was in fact correct you guys are gonna be hearing about it): it's not? I don't think? I don't see the connection between my attempt to generate discussion on mafia teams and me giving any sort of non-committal preferences on lynches, which is what I thought salad is. Please enlighten me if I am in fact wrong.

Hello.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 10:20 pm Quin's fine. Read his role.

Where? Cause I am not seeing this information.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 12:56 am A post I wanted to make last night.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pm Okay Dom in the other game which we can now talk about you were town and pursued a case about another townie aggressively. Here you "lead" the case against Nutella except that was basically an ISO and a vote; you put more substance into the case here but to me it seemed like it lacked the same passion. Maybe I'm wrong. Obviously different circumstances and all that, but someone said something I think in this game that gave me the impression that you are in fact generally a very aggressive player and that is not the impression I've gotten so far. Again, maybe I'm wrong.

I think its fairly aggressively to pursue a player for several days and then create a massive iso which results in their lynch.
Who else got nutella lynched?
You?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pm On the "vague case" thing. Yes it's vague. Oh well. I think you're scum. I don't have a wall of evidence. Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence. Also Nutella would still have full interest in hunting scum given her role; the fact that she was neutral doesn't make that case any less viable.

"Most good players aren't going to leave behind a wall of evidence" doesn't quite square with "Basically an iso and a vote"
Which is it? Am I a bad player or a good player? Am I bad because I didn't try enough or am I bad because I left behind a wall of evidence? Why is your standard different than mine?

You're not just not throwing strikes, bro. You're pelting the batter.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pmOn the "whatever to whoever" thing. Fair I guess. I tried to define "off" but it didn't really go so well. To clear things up I didn't intend for equal opportunity attacker to be negative and when I reviewed some of your games I saw a lot of posts of the same style so I'm going to call it NAI.

But you didn't say that. And you spent the day trying to lynch me.
So... what does "off" mean? It didn't go well, you're right. Why? Let's unpack that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 9:32 pmOn the salad thing (which I'm getting very defensive about and if when the game is over I was in fact correct you guys are gonna be hearing about it): it's not? I don't think? I don't see the connection between my attempt to generate discussion on mafia teams and me giving any sort of non-committal preferences on lynches, which is what I thought salad is. Please enlighten me if I am in fact wrong.

Weird that I didn't accuse you of salad-ing, but rather, Jack.
Any reason why you're defensive on that?

Okay fine. You lynched Nutella. Here’s a star. I’m sorry for attacking you for not adequately lynching Nutella. (Yes you actually did do a lot of effort to the end of lynching Nutella I’m not going to dispute that and there’s a chance that I have a distorted hindsight view which is leading me to believe that you didn’t actually care).
You’re a good player that’s why I wouldn’t expect to find a lot of information that would clue me into your affiliation.
It didn’t go well because maybe I was wrong is probably the correct assessment. Or else no one who’s better at articulating these things picked up on the same vibes that I did. I don’t know.
I’m defensive cause I thought it was a good idea and no one else liked it and I was sad.

I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:17 am Right now I'm totally down with Dom over Tony for the Civ side of things. That is to say Dom has impressed me in the Civ fashion. Whereas Tony is alluding to scumminess because of my invisible, plus he did engage in the Chess, which could have been a scum distraction on his end somehow.

Yeah Dom is winning the war I know when I’m beat.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I voted sabie last lynch and I preferred her to Creature... I was pretty meh on the Creature lynch. His constant complaining about how we play Mafia grated on me enough that I didn't give a damn. He was great for the mafia.

I do not like these situations we’re in where all of the lynched are “meh”.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:28 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:21 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:17 am Right now I'm totally down with Dom over Tony for the Civ side of things. That is to say Dom has impressed me in the Civ fashion. Whereas Tony is alluding to scumminess because of my invisible, plus he did engage in the Chess, which could have been a scum distraction on his end somehow.

Yeah Dom is winning the war I know when I’m beat.

It's a taste of peak Mafia virtuosity that I'm glad to see Dom displaying. Dom, don't stop playing Mafia when you can make posts like that, you are lifeblood.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:22 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I voted sabie last lynch and I preferred her to Creature... I was pretty meh on the Creature lynch. His constant complaining about how we play Mafia grated on me enough that I didn't give a damn. He was great for the mafia.

I do not like these situations we’re in where all of the lynched are “meh”.

All the lynched were "meh"? Is that the situation we're in? Help an old man out here.

lynches

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:25 am Um, what else? Dyslexicon and Epignosis, I don't see them both being baddies and putting on this big show or something. I am concerned about one of them being bad. Of course my mind puts Epignosis there... it could be such a smooth plan to sub in for a baddie role to berate the Civvies for low-posting and keep the posting engine generally revved up enough that it's very difficult to find reason to lynch him. Paranoid? Maybe. Or maybe not. We'll see at endgame.

Dizzy, Epi, Jack, and Dom are all good in my books, for reasons and maybe optimism?

My paranoia is still on Dizzy of those two; I’m not willing to clear Dom out of some whimpering sense of pride but I think he’s probably fine; Jack posted something yesterday that made me think he was town for a really weird reason but outside of that I have no reason to let him go.


I am rarely in this position but I just need someone to be a voice of reason and tell me what to do.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Tony, fyi, iirc LC is always invisible whether he's playing a game or not. I don't consider this as alignment indicative.

I am aware and I would never consider that to be valid info towards a player’s alignment. It’s essentially out of game info.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am I was gonna ask you the same thing. Do you want to try to lynch each other?

If not I’m voting for Timmer for now.

I think someone already asked you why, I just want to reinforce that. What are you seeing about timmer at this time?

Timmer has a post count in the 70s, but the only things I remember from that are a weird idea on Creature / Owner / Drago being w/w/w (which actually is pretty townie now that I think about it cause scum wouldn’t make claims like that if Creature was gonna flip town) and a fight with Rej day 1.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:27 am And by that-- I mean beyond stupid chess bullshit.

You sunk my battleship

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am And nobody answered me about what they think of potential derps and about Epi. A "idk" is fine/shrugface

I’m not clearing for potential derps because of the ones I remember were of the sort where it’s like “this is stupid if you’re town and easy to fake if you’re scum”. Also I think that’s a stupid strategy for scum to emulate and so I’m on principle not going to give someone a townread for one so I can’t be tricked on it.

Epi is shrug.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:31 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 8:52 am @TonyStarkPrime -- soo did you ever actually suspect me or did you just think you could beat me?

If I thought I could beat you I probably should have reviewed the case and made sure it could be convincing.

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

One with Ancient Greece, one weird one that I couldn’t really track that seemed to take place in several different threads, a few where you posted once or twice a day and then died.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:58 am I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

No I thought that Dom wasn’t aggressive enough and that some of his posts looked scummy. And maybe meta but that went south. Apparently everyone else thinks he’s town.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:57 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:46 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:38 am

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:33 am

You're not quite answering my question.

I suspected you. I probably gave up on the full fledged support of suspecting you some point yesterday while I was still pushing that case.

Why?

Why did I give up a bit? I thought there existed a meta case and I read some of your previous games and it seemed par for the course. At which point I’m basing my entire meta case on a game currently in process.

Sounds like you never had a case in the first place.

Which games did you read?

One with Ancient Greece, one weird one that I couldn’t really track that seemed to take place in several different threads, a few where you posted once or twice a day and then died.

You chose a game where I died on Night 3, a game that was hard to follow, and a game I didn't quite play to base your entire case against me that you pushed hard while I wasn't here?
Do I have that right?

Well I read the games after making the case and you didn’t have many recent ones to choose from. The case I pushed while you were here was not in any way based on those games.

If I wanted to I’m sure I could have found some great examples of what I was looking for but it would have been a little disingenuous.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:07 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:24 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 9:40 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:12 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 1:11 am Hey man, what's up? Can you see me even when I'm invisible?

Only scum players go invisible.

Tony, fyi, iirc LC is always invisible whether he's playing a game or not. I don't consider this as alignment indicative.

I am aware and I would never consider that to be valid info towards a player’s alignment. It’s essentially out of game info.

Ok sorry, I misread the joke as being serious.

What would forum mafia be without people misreading jokes as being serious? It’s the basis for practically half the scum reads around here.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:15 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 11:02 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:58 am I don't really follow the Dom/Tony argument really well. Tony says he is suspicious of Dom because meta? What are other people's read on Dom?

No I thought that Dom wasn’t aggressive enough and that some of his posts looked scummy. And maybe meta but that went south. Apparently everyone else thinks he’s town.

To be clear, you didn't call them scummy. You called them "off". Still not sure what that means.
And you aren't either.

It means scummy.