The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:25 pm There is a spark to mafia tony's game that I'm not seeing here. I think he'd be my strongest town read. Turnip Head also made a slight push against him near the end of Day 2.

mac and ted would have been my strongest town reads today.

tough but fair

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]
Have you claimed a role yet? If not, please do.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:45 pm You have answered that there is no ship, great. That's something. Give me more. What is confusing about how your role works?

The word ‘limited’ presumably

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:15 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:00 pm I maintain that speedchuck is the right lynch today, if our interlopers are to be trusted.

I seriously need some character claims from some people. @speedchuck @Epignosis Here’s the defense: it’s role madness and I know nothing about Assassin’s Creed so you’re not losing much.
This is the wolf case.

Funnygurl can back me up on this. We're in the middle of a mechanical dichotomy, and someone wants us to lynch outside the mechanical dichotomy. Somehow, that makes you a wolf.

You’re wrong

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:48 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:47 pm
You’re wrong
Do you not agree that there is mechanically a wolf in Epignosis and Funnygurl?

You’re wrong that it’s a mechanical dichotomy, if I want to be technical, since both can easily be wolves. I think it’s highly unlikely that both are town just because then you and LC are both scum. I think the highest likelihood is that both of them are scum, in which case we should lynch FG and then Epi or something. But I wasn’t thinking about Mac’s role before, so I wasn’t considering all of the options.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:49 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:45 pm Since nobody is claiming the Ted kill, we have to assume that it was either MacDougall using his kill or mafia had access to two KP last night.
I struggle to see mac doing that, but good point. Does anyone want to take credit for killing ted?

or mac

It further probably heightens the probability that Mac used the block all targets day 1 thing because if he hadn’t mechanically it seems like Ted and Mac would have been it BTSC

Mac’s own discussion of why he wasn’t killed night 1 comes into play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:53 am For me, the Dragomir kill as opposed to a Sloonei/Mac kill makes tremendous sense to have been executed by exactly Sloonei and/or Mac. That he was killed over me, also makes me suspect that the kill was fired from someone/s whose bulk are inside my hypothesised town core, or at least quite comfortably nullish (perhaps a TonyStarkPrime).

I strongly feel like LC/Speedchuck combinations usually shoot me. Epignosis can go either way as I know he tends to let others make decisions about kills.

I spent a lot of this day 2 fucking around doing nothing and drew nearly no suspicion from anyone. I feel pocketed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:04 am It's just that there is no world in which Sloonei is the right lynch. He is the town captain and his effort is incredible so far going far beyond anything he mustered in the GOC. And if he is town and we flip him it's almost game throwing. So if not him, then whom? Who makes a decision to shoot Dragomir that isn't Sloonei? Can a team that has Long Con and/or Speedchuck and/or Turnip Head in it choose to shoot him? I really don't think so. Then again perhaps this is all just wifom. But wifom is garbage reasoning. Turnip Head shoots Sloonei I feel. Speedchuck and LC shoot Mac? It might be galaxy brain but I almost want to townclear all three of them because of this. Unless TH and Sloonei are teammates? Actually I think they might be? They were both towncored by me.

I am wondering whether TS Account's game quality here has risen exactly because of his alignment (and contributing partners)? Or perhaps the same can be said for Funnygirl? But Funnygirl's schtick of begging Mikey to find her ... is that in range for any scum to play up to that degree? I ... don't think so.

Master Radishes is the one who can be scum in any combinations though. He has no reason to prefer to shoot me or Sloonei. Maybe that makes him town? He is hung out to dry?

I think TSP qualifies as someone who would not have shot Drago too tbh.

I think the team is Sloonei + Turnip Head + one of Mikey/Funnygirl ... probably Funnygirl?

If so I am shot tonight and they're going to win so I'm probs just gonna meme now.

Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:03 am
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:59 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:58 pm my analysis could just be wrong then. perhaps i couldn't have watched mac if he did use his power n1

but that just means he either used it n2 or holstered it. but i assumed eagles could find pirate ships 'cause eagles can fly over water
Sorry, what? I need you to rephrase this.
i think the best time to go on the pirate ship is n1, so you could potentially use it more times. sloonei's suspecting me because i think mac used it n1 but i also watched him n1. i kinda assumed that i could watch him anyways 'cause if he goes on a ship then while he's unreachable to regular ol' humans my eagle could fly and reach a pirate ship.

but if that's not the case then me successfully watching mac n1 means he didn't use it n1

okay I’ve had enough
Vote FG

it’s Epi FG Speed lock it in

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:59 pm Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.
I'm sorry, but I do not get the same analysis here as you do. It looks to me like he is just including himself in the PoE. I would also expected MacDougall to have claimed the shot.

If he had shot night 1?

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:06 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:04 am
okay I’ve had enough
Vote FG

it’s Epi FG Speed lock it in
If you believe it to be both, will you commit to lynching Epignosis today?

If it gets to that point, yes

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:06 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:05 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:59 pm Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.
I'm sorry, but I do not get the same analysis here as you do. It looks to me like he is just including himself in the PoE. I would also expected MacDougall to have claimed the shot.
If he had shot night 1?
Specifically, if he had shot Dragomir.

I agree with this as well.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:09 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:06 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:05 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:59 pm Some stuff that hits slightly different if he sometimes has immunity. Can’t decipher if he expected to be immune night one or night two.
I'm sorry, but I do not get the same analysis here as you do. It looks to me like he is just including himself in the PoE. I would also expected MacDougall to have claimed the shot.
If he had shot night 1?
Specifically, if he had shot Dragomir.
I agree with this as well.

Though if he took a shot and FG is telling the truth, it would have failed as Epi would have blocked it.

I misread Mac’s role.

And before anyone pulls out the magnifying glass, Epi’s mistake isn’t necessarily scummy. For proof, I know there have been at least a few examples in this game of people typing the thing opposite what they mean.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:22 am I misread Mac’s role.
What did you think it said?

Switch between untargetable and kill

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:26 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:22 am I misread Mac’s role.
What did you think it said?
Switch between untargetable and kill
Do you believe funnygurl's claim?

Makes it more likely that Mac was targetable night 1, I think, since he didn’t claim the kill and would have had no reason to. But would have required him to shoot Ted night 2. Best guess, failed kill night 1. Which means Epi is lying about the boat.

Unrelated, Sloonei, have you claimed a character?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:38 am I am only barely here at present. Regarding a "mass claim" -- I don't see a problem with it off-hand assuming all rules are respected. The game hangs in the balance after all, and if some key information is withheld too carefully that would otherwise influence reads, then that's not ideal.

Such an action really depends upon the roles in question and how individuals feel they may be able to take advantage of them. I only advise that too much caution right now is of little benefit. LyLo.

Who are you? Role

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:45 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:38 am I am only barely here at present. Regarding a "mass claim" -- I don't see a problem with it off-hand assuming all rules are respected. The game hangs in the balance after all, and if some key information is withheld too carefully that would otherwise influence reads, then that's not ideal.

Such an action really depends upon the roles in question and how individuals feel they may be able to take advantage of them. I only advise that too much caution right now is of little benefit. LyLo.
Who are you? Role
It is probably better to start off the massclaims with the next wolfiest people. Since the mechanical dichotomy already claimed, it makes more sense to have you/speedchuck/long con/me claim first, and have sloonei/jjj/nutella claim afterwards.

I don’t care about powers. I care about characters. For a reason I’m not currently willing to specify

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:49 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:48 am I don’t care about powers. I care about characters. For a reason I’m not currently willing to specify
Then why would you ask for the role?

That’s what I thought the role was

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:05 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:20 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:16 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:14 am I... really think massclaiming is the right thing to do. If JJJ disagrees, then I cannot really push the issue further, but I believe it would increase our odds of winning, however slight.
Why?
It gives us a clearer mechanical picture of what happened on nights 1 and 2, it has a chance for us to structure a plan of action to lock a winning night phase, and it gives mafia a small chance to out themselves.
I think it's fairly likely the mafia have fakeclaims, fwiw. As someone who won a game as scum with fakeclaims where massclaiming ended up helping my team (Fire Emblem), I'd be careful with this.

That’s why everyone should tell me what character they are

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:30 am Can someone give me their best synopsis of the general reception Epignosis has had in this game before Day 3?

“Meh”

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 am Seems those Mac posts Life cereal just highlighted are compatible with him shooting ted in the ass

ted ain’t got no ship

well I mean easiest lie in the world but I’m willing to accept it cause it solves the problems

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:01 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:56 am yeah i got a ship

AND AN EAGLE

i'm loaded
Problem solved.

who are u

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:50 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:45 pm @speedchuck
Have you claimed a role yet? If not, please do.
Has everyone else? I'm not caught up but it still seems like a terrible idea

It’s 50/50. I just want character name, but if you have another info, feel free to share

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:33 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:09 am Seems those Mac posts Life cereal just highlighted are compatible with him shooting ted in the ass
ted ain’t got no ship
so

Mac didn’t shoot him

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:18 am [mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] 1/3 of your posts D3 have been about getting people to flavorclaim. This is after we found out that Mac's protection in his role could be subverted by flavor (if he were only attacked or visited by characters with boats, probably from ACIV: Black Flag).

Tell me why we should empower all the roles that rely on flavor-related things, and I'll consider a flavor claim.

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:34 am It looks like I did not miss much and yet I missed quite a lot. It is worth checking funnygurl, epignosis, and MacDougall character wikis for mentions of ships or aquatism or anything of the like, I think. I am also curious to know why Tony would like people to be character claiming.

I know something about a character. I want to know who that character is.

Two problems

Good news:

Mac flips:
Edward Kenway

Pirate Ship: You have a pirate ship! That’s awesome, dude. Using your pirate ship, you can make yourself untargetable to anyone that doesn’t also possess a ship. You can only use this ability every other night though, cause you have to restock your food and supplies. While on your ship, you can target someone to try and kill.

(Clarification: the kill only works on other players that possess a ship. The kill and ship action are tied together, meaning they happen on the same night. Any watchers and/or trackers that may exist in the game will still receive results if someone attempts to target you on a night you use your ship.)

You are a Righteous Warrior and win when all the Heathenous Spies have been eliminated.

See the first line of clarification

Bad news:
Ted has a ship

in my defense I’m pretty sure he didn’t have a ship yesterday

One thing this means is that Ted 100 percent had BTSC with Mac day 1

Rather, day 2

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:59 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:56 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:54 amI dont get what the graph means
The idea is to assess the interactive compatibility of each pair of suspects. For example:

Review Long Con and Epignosis relative to one another. Do they seem compatible as teammates? Do they not? Indicate that on the chart where their names intersect, with a word or a color or whatever.

Do every pairing.

This helps to solidify world theories and potentially to eliminate names if they don't fit with anyone else.
oh ok. but why are half the cells gray and half white?

You don’t need two cells for Epi/FG and you don’t need any cells for Epi/Epi

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:12 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:18 am @TonyStarkPrime 1/3 of your posts D3 have been about getting people to flavorclaim. This is after we found out that Mac's protection in his role could be subverted by flavor (if he were only attacked or visited by characters with boats, probably from ACIV: Black Flag).

Tell me why we should empower all the roles that rely on flavor-related things, and I'll consider a flavor claim.
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:34 am It looks like I did not miss much and yet I missed quite a lot. It is worth checking funnygurl, epignosis, and MacDougall character wikis for mentions of ships or aquatism or anything of the like, I think. I am also curious to know why Tony would like people to be character claiming.
I know something about a character. I want to know who that character is.
I don't believe that's worth the risk. Convince me otherwise.

I don’t know what the worst thing that could happen is. And 4? players have already given a name. I don’t know what kind of risk there is based on my role for town, I imagine the only risk is for mafia who I assume will be scared and lie.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 12:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:45 am Bad news:
Ted has a ship
Why's this bad. This makes stuff make sense. ??

It means I was wrong for the right reasons

My association charts all have red as “definitely not paired”

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:40 pm I am hardly distracted by anything in here by the way. I am playing a game with some lads at the moment and can't do any work in here anyway. So banter is super.
I just played some Avalon and Secret Hitler over a video conference. I won my first ever game of the latter (as Hitler), then proceeded to throw the second one

I love secret Hitler. Avalon always felt too mechanical to me, but when you play games with mathematicians everything is derived to numbers and sets quick enough.

I seriously do need Sloonei and Speed’s character. Do I have everyone else?
And TS

Hey Epi does scum have any powers where they can kill everyone they have a character claim for?

Cause if not
Sloonei
LC
Speed
TS
get on my spreadsheet

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:55 pm I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.

Sloonei
TS
LC
FG
Speed

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:57 pm speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl
How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?
It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.

Thanks for the begging now who are you

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:50 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:55 pm I'd like for everyone to please rank every other living player in order of least-to-most suspicious purely based on your gut feelings about them. Don't worry about "evidence" or whatever. Just ask your instincts.
Sloonei
TS
LC
FG
Speed
Does your concern with FG reflect her behavior or something character/role related or both?

Nothing character based. I have no evidence and I don’t have a problem with her claim. It just sets off triggers. My gut doesn’t buy it. Epi stirring up paranoia makes me feel a little more comfortable with the status quo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:54 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:05 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:57 pm speedchuck
ts account
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
Funnygurl
How has your view of ts account changed since nutella and I arrived?
It is partially motivated by POE. funnygurl's claim buried Epi and looks authentic in light of the host corrections from this morning. Tony has been my next strongest town read in the thread today, in part because he looks a bit out of place going around begging for character claims. It's a bizarre thing to be doing if he's bad. Long Con's self vote is the single weirdest event in a game which featured two demi-gods descending upon us from the heavens, but the fact that TH sat calmly by while LC was in danger of being lynched on Day 1 seems like an indication that he's town. The exception to that is the possibility of vote shenanigans, but there is no direct evidence pointing there.
ts account has been very By The Numbers. Not just today, but all game long. He has cited the fabled Book of Mafia multiple times, and it also feels like he's reading directly from it whenever he expresses a read on anything. He's eager to hammer Epi, but hammering Epi is the easy thing to do today and there's no incentive not to bus him. I had an early game beef with him that dissolved because he kept up a suspicion of me that looked too stubborn to be real, but I care less about that now that we're in our current position.
Thanks for the begging now who are you
Gene Parmesan.

thanks next

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:15 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:12 pm
That is not an answer. What differences exist in the strategies we have implemented?
If we are using evidence now, JJJ appeared in a beam of golden light or something. That is a strong indicator that he is a goodie.
That is even further from answering the question.
Still unanswered
zzzz

who are you

Thinking through a trustfall leaves me worse on everyone, but in a different order.

(epi) speed TS FG LC Sloonei

As for the roles thing, I have a power that has the ability to essentially act as a cop for any player. It only works on certain roles — I need to find one of those roles to use it. It also only works on odd nights, and since this is the last odd night in the game (most likely) I will have no more opportunities to make use of it. So that’s why I’m asking now. I just need character names.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:53 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:28 pm Okay can I have character claims from everyone?
No reason why. Story curiosities. They’re completely randomized.

I’m Lucy.
Any reason why you opened your crusade for character names this way?

Obviously there's a difference between "no reason"/"story curiosities"/"they're randomized" and "my role allows me to cop check certain people".

Figured I’d get some early bites and could get more truthful information, then could use peer pressure and full info to find the rest.

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