The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:54 pm I feel like half the player list has stipulations in the role card that forces them to play in ways that are just slightly off from their usual selves.
On one hand I'd ask you what you mean but on the other hand I know hwat you mean
For instance, TonyStarkPrime seems to be required to not exceed one line of text in 90% of his posts.
I actually used to keep statistics on this.
How?

I counted up all of my posts longer than one line as a percentage.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:25 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:54 pm I feel like half the player list has stipulations in the role card that forces them to play in ways that are just slightly off from their usual selves.
On one hand I'd ask you what you mean but on the other hand I know hwat you mean
For instance, TonyStarkPrime seems to be required to not exceed one line of text in 90% of his posts.
I actually used to keep statistics on this.
How?
I counted up all of my posts longer than one line as a percentage.
Why would you lie about something like that?

what this was a real thing

I probably have the data set lying around somewhere

In reviewing this I've discovered a new TSP tell which I will not share until it can clear me as town at which point everyone will assume that because I've discovered it it's now fake

People not being weird:
nope everyone's being weird

[mention]Funnygurl555[/mention] what's up?

Wait EOD is at 4. That's weird.

I've got to get food and I'm still not sure what happened but I understand that LC died and flipped mafia and now I'm concerned about my role. Anyways, good news: Nanook games have lots of random kill roles so

wait

day vig on a top suspect? only works on certain target?

uh oh

Kill him again!

Poison wants to be the D1 kill, Poison won't be around any more, chop Poison?

But seriously where's Vul

Poison is acting similarly to when she was mafia and Vul is acting not at all like he did when he was town

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:03 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:01 pm Poison is acting similarly to when she was mafia and Vul is acting not at all like he did when he was town
For someone who's never met this Poison, could you explain to me these similarities.

Nutella had a wall on one particular aspect earlier. More generally: high general post count, more one liners than TSP. A few scum reads with content on those and not much big picture solving, though in this case we only have the promise of walls on those scum reads. Actually I don't even think we have the scum reads.

Also, frankly, Poison's posts this morning seem demotivated and sparse. As I'd expect Poison to be after losing a teammate to a day vig.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:19 pm Also @TonyStarkPrime, what do you make of this post from Vulcan? Particularly since they're voting for Poison, and those appear to be two of your primary suspects right now.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:23 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 7:18 am ...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?
Why are you Marmotvoting?
Because I want Marmot to do something other than selfvote, although I suppose that me saying that now defeats the purpose of my vote.

Meh.

I'm not sure what to do about Poison. I'm in a weird situation here. I think her play this game has been close to her mafia play... in an off-site game I read, but NOT the last game I played with her here, when she was mafia and fooled me. I dislike the fact her reads seem rather forced, and she seems to be struggling to find her footing in this game. The biggest thing going for her right now is postcount, because it shows that she is not afraid of voicing her thoughts, but there hasn't really been anything in her posts that made me think "this must come from town." I'm also more paranoid of her scumgame after the last game we played.

Alison is town, because I think that her thought processes not only make perfect sense, but show a lack of TMI. I might be severely underestimating her scumgame, but I think the complexity of her thoughts would be difficult to replicate as mafia. I think that if she were mafia trying to fake these thoughts, the thoughts would make less sense. But what she is saying is cohesive, I understand where she is coming from (for the most part), and she is being fairly consistent. I wrote that I did not like her early townread on Long Con, and she mostly ignored it in a way I also found very towny. There is just this air of stubbornness and confidence around Alison which I really could hardly see as coming from mafia.

TSP is town because he's actually solving in this game and he wasn't really solving in his last one. Or at least, some of his posts looked like he was solving, which is a notable improvement in comparison to the last mafia game I have seen from him. That said, the read is getting weaker, because I'm starting to see him shift back to his "I do not actually care about solving" approach. I also find the lack of shitposting very odd. Could potentially be mafia overcompensating for how I caught him last game...?
For now, I think the differences are notable enough, and I think he still deserves a townread, but I can see a world where he's mafia trying to appease me specifically, since I caught him last game and got nightkilled right after. I didn't have 100% confidence in my last game read, but it was correct, and it makes sense for mafia!TSP to play specifically in a way to fool me here. Although, maybe I'm overestimating my potential impact.
I'm getting sidetracked. The conclusion here is that I'm still fairly confident TSP is town, but I do see a singular world where he's mafia. I don't really think he's mafia, though.

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

I'm not going to get anything from Marmot if they always selfvote like this. Would still like to see more than a selfvote, though.

By the way, Enrique; how new are you to the game? Or did you already say it and I missed it? There's a read I have on you which only applies in case you answer in a specific way. I'm not saying what it is yet.
I find the highlighted portion to be a bit counter the rest of the paragraph. 1) Someone being unafraid to voice their thoughts looks civ to me. 2) If they're not afraid to voice their thoughts, how can said player also be forcing reads and not saying anything the reeks town?

The next word is "but", suggesting your interpretation is correct. The post in general, I mean this is a really non-committal read and that's bad. Actually everything in this post is quite hedgy in a way I don't think I should be expecting from Vul here.

To the second point, Poison is voicing thoughts but is pretty specifically /not/ giving reads. I have no clue where Poison's head is at right now. So that suggests that Poison is voicing thoughts (via post count) but those thoughts aren't necessarily town indicative.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:26 pm so I fell asleep and yeah... uh whens eod

I'm sorry

Work and school

eod in two point five hours lc is dead and a wolf give me thoughts on everything

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:05 pm In a vacuum I suspect Poison more than Vulgard. But when we compare wagon purities I think Vulgard's wagon looks a lot better. In Radiohead Mafia D1 I voted my 2nd or 3rd strongest suspect instead of my 1st strongest suspect, purely because I had a lot of very confident townreads, and all my townreads were screaming for her head. I was confident the wagon there was pure so I voted her and she flipped mafia.

I'm in a similar situation now.

this is a terrible choice

I mean the reasoning makes sense

Just went 0-3 with an actually decent boros deck Ama

Vul is not doing anything, which I'll grant is not a good look, but Poison is like. Actively scummy post-LC flip. Vul has at least put in /some/ thinking, some attempt to solve the game.

But also Vul is probably just a wolf too I guess

Maybe they're both mafia

it's because poison is a wolf

Now I have to think if Marmot and FG both vote for Poison do I stand my ground

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:52 pm The thing is that if Poison is a wolf and Vulgard is town then she immediately votes him. She didn't do that. Which means the only world in which Vulgard is not a wolf is if they are V/V, which is a) very unlikely and b) wouldn't be solved by moving my vote to Poison.

Which means Vulgard is always the best vote here.

Not necessarily, note that Poison in the last game was always very hesitant to place votes as a wolf

Poison specifically held her vote until the last possible moment, even if she had already signalled intent. It's one of the things here that makes me SR her

The ISO link isn't working for me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 2:58 pm What if we win the game before the other four get to join us in the thread?

what if there's a wolf locked up and we get all of the in thread wolves first :P

I think poison is a better chop but I don't hold my vote if the voltron stays on vul

the vultron heh

There are four zero posters in this game I say we policy chop them

why is fg not voting la de da

hammer vul

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 4:00 pm Can someone remind me what hammer means? It's been a while since I've played with that mechanic.

If we hit 2/3s of the number of players voting for a certain player the day ends and they die

What the heck

No body new

Also, w r t the two mafia flips:

There are no strings on me. Muah hah ahahah hah

I wonder if this reveals too much info

Today goes one way so I’m going to lay down the slank cover of: my computer currently doesn’t turn on

Syn is a weird kill

Oh okay I’m dumb Syn probably died in place of X. Reading the role explains the role. The question becomes... who was X? Reading Syn’s iso, probably me or Sloonei? Not a lot of information there.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:40 pm We do not know anything about the mechanics behind the players being removed from the thread. All we know is that four players started the game out of the thread and two more have joined them in existence outside of the thread.
We do not know that they are all in the same place or have communication with each other.
We do not know what mechanic is responsible for the removal of Alison and Mac: whether it was triggered by a town or anti-town ability, or something neutral; whether the four original out-of-thread players were responsible for it; whether or not Mac and Alison were even targeted specifically, or if they were chosen at random/pseudo-random.
We do not know how they will get back here. The first post tells us that at least the original four can be triggered to join the thread at some point. It is not explicitly stated that the other two can, but my assumption is that the same possibility is true for them.
We do not know what they are doing while they are out of the thread. If they were dead, they would simply be dead. But they appear to be active participants in this game still.

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Poison assumed that Alison and Mac were deliberately removed by a hostile entity and that each of them are town. If she is mafia then she just let slip a lot of information about the mechanics and those two players. We still have no way of knowing if this is the truth. But if Poison's assumption(s) are not true, then she may have just town-slipped instead: if the mafia team is not in control of removing players from the thread, then Mafia Poison would not be making these assumptions.

If Poison is town then the names I turn to next are Enrique and Marmot. I have not done a deep dive into Vulgard interactions yet.

Huh.

Okay, show of hands, who removed someone from the thread?

Given that the wolves probably? want to be removed from the thread I really don't feel like this is anything to be too concerned about revealing. I did one, the wolves already know it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:18 pm Given that the wolves probably? want to be removed from the thread I really don't feel like this is anything to be too concerned about revealing. I did one, the wolves already know it.
Why did you remove someone from the thread?

I didn't know what would happen

No, but I don't think it's a good thing. I don't know where they went and to what end. They can tell us when they come back

Yeah okay

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:45 pm I am ISOing vulgard. I'm offering a sneak preview of the results: funnygurl is town.

I'll take it

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