The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:23 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 8:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 7:11 pm Ted, Jack, and Colin are the names to look into if we’re right about sig. Dom is a fringe candidate too, and I saw someone float Tranq as well. I have no reason to object to that.

This for if Sig is scum?

Yes

What happened to mac

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm The Anti-Matter Universe takes its toll on everyone from our universe.

Subtle, intricate physical laws are constantly being broken down and restructured.

A Curse has been cast, and it will result in hardship and turmoil... and evil.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:30 pm And you didn’t do shit to save Mac or bury Sig.

Yeah, well, I find it possible he's a Mac teammate who saw the way the wind was blowing and figured he should look like he was all in on lynching Mac either way.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:35 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:33 pm Hey @Sloonei

Sig is a foregone conclusion.

I wanna know what you think about Turnip Head.

Town. Reasons well documented.

Wrong answer.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:43 pm If not Sloonei or more likely not Juliets, what about that JaggedJimmyJay guy?

Been pretty nonimpactful and voted Sig.

(Lest we forget, we’re still lynching Sig tomorrow. I’m just more interested in hunting for the Master team atm.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:45 pm Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:45 pm Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

But Sig has votes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:49 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 11:45 pm Don’t nightkill Sig. 50% chance he’s bulletproof.

I’m more scared about the other role on that team.

DO NOT SHOOT AT SIG. ty

But Sig has votes.

Is that the one that’s alive
Didn’t that one die

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:01 am There’s a bus driver, talking about vig targets is bad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:16 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:01 am There’s a bus driver, talking about vig targets is bad

Me and Jack both made the same mistake of thinking that role was either town or dead. I have since apologized for my errors.

DONT TRY TO SHOOT SIG

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:18 am I think is not a crime I colored Dizzy green

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 9:45 am SOMETIMES THE 800 SCUM GAMES IN A ROW BLEND TOGETHER OK

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:28 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:53 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:48 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 04, 2020 10:47 pm Hey guys just wanna catch up here a bitty bit.

Mac is still a person who could survive a nightkill but isn't who sig 'slipped' him to be? Or even on the same team?

How would we parse that? My sig suspicion remains independent of the 'slip', but it's a lot weaker without it.

You parse that by lynching Jack.

I completely missed the 'why' there. I know you suspect him, but how does he connect to this? Or is that independent?

Jack is on the sabie / Radises team.

What manner of civilian preemptively calls out anyone who might make cases against other people when "we're supposed to be lynching Mac." He accused anyone who might on Day 4 accuse anyone else as defending Mac.

That's because he's on the other bad team. The one with sabie and Radishes.

And sig is not?

Or do you propose Jack and Sig w/w?

The highlighted are the problems I've had with your posts, Speed. These look like "Okay, great. We lynched Mac. Now let's look elsewhere instead of lynching Speed."

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:11 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

What about the droid attack on the Wookie(e)s?

Are you bad again?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:39 pm Why are we still talking about this instead of sig’s handling of radishes/sabie?

Real answer: because I don’t find the Sig flipped on Sabie randomly stuff to be that convincing for the main reason of — almost any town result that would lead to Sig making the claims he did against Mac would almost necessarily equally implicate Sabie. And if he’s scum, well he’s just scum.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:29 pm I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:32 pm In hindsight, there was a nonzero chance Mac had been jailkept so Sig was probably the better game theory lynch but I think this worked out pretty well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:21 pm Okay but what about his treatment of Radishes?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:29 pm I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

I think a considerable leap is required to arrive at the highlighted portion -- suspecting that it was Mac among some 20 players that silenced him on that basis is hard to believe. The cop theory doesn't tell me why sig thought Mac was targeted for a kill.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:50 pm Given T-spheres and saw that Mac targeted him and then also tracked Sabie targeting Mac

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:51 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:29 pm I've seen something like that mentioned at least a couple times -- that there are 1 or 3 or 12 town explanations for sig's behavior. Tell me them.

I’m thinking he tracks Sabie targeting Mac Night 1. Suspects Mac after Mac silenced him — roles make sense together — and puts 1 and 1 together. Night 2 shoots Sabie and confirms his suspicions.

This is a very specific option.
Otherwise: Night 1 cops Mac? No one dies, bulletproof, silence, makes a few guesses? Maybe?

I think a considerable leap is required to arrive at the highlighted portion -- suspecting that it was Mac among some 20 players that silenced him on that basis is hard to believe. The cop theory doesn't tell me why sig thought Mac was targeted for a kill.

Think about this — he did suspect that Mac had silenced him. He was correct. there is absolutely no way he could have known this as scum or town. Unless I’m missing something or there’s an item.

If his team shot Mac and failed, he has reason to believe that he could be Saitama -- the guy who silences and survives a kill.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:50 pm There is no story, town or scum, that accounts for everything that Sig theorized.

I... disagree?

Did you read my post?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:08 am Jesus Christ and he basically claimed a completely different role.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:14 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:53 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:33 pm Town
Jack, Dom, Tony

Possibly Antimonitor
Michelle (probably just town), Sig (confirmed), Nanook

Possibly Master
Epi (probably just town), Jay, Juliets, Sloonei, TH, Speed (but probably not)

Possibly either scumteam
Tranq, Colin, GMan, Ted


Change my mind. Like in particular, tell me who I have as possibly on a scumteam they probably aren’t really on.

Post is modified to reflect flips.

Ignoring Sprityo probable peeks atm which possibly confirm Ted.

Before this gets out of hand

I never said I checked ted, I didn’t even hint at it, I said civ for GTH and that I thought ted was town based off his plays

You guys are the ones that brought that line of thinking up

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:19 pm I wish we got three lunches out of the inception thing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:30 am @TonyStarkPrime tell me about that vote

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:30 am @TonyStarkPrime tell me about that vote

That was the first “not Sig” candidate vote. It’s representative of an idea, and a poorly formed one.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:34 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:31 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:30 am @TonyStarkPrime tell me about that vote

That was the first “not Sig” candidate vote. It’s representative of an idea, and a poorly formed one.

Cool. Can you try to expand to some degree on the poorly formed idea?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:42 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:40 am Day 4 I would have advocated hard for the lynch Sig plan. I did, to some extent, in our three person bubble. Today I think that we’re perhaps better off searching elsewhere — for two main reasons:
1) Three townies just died. With a missed Night 5 kill and then a likely Day 6 AM lynch (since the masters team knows who AM is, I think), we’re at 10v3 going into day 7 with no leads. With a good Night 5 kill, 11v2. I think we can pull off better than that with other options.
2) I don’t want this day to go nowhere.

I don't necessarily disagree with your strategic perspective. I'm lynching sig anyway to eliminate his role. I was referring to the idea underlying your vote for Turnip Head instead of [insert some other non-sig player here].

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:35 am Who is on Mac’s team?
Everybody. One or two names only. No reasoning allowed. We all have generally good instincts here, who’s given you bad vibes?

Colin and you.

caveat that i haven't been in this thread for 48 hours and plan to do interactive shit later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:50 am

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:49 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:43 am This is my Michelle theory, for those who were not in our thread yesterday:

When the day began, Michelle had compiled a long chain of posts from speedchuck from this thread (the one we are all currently posting in) which she used to push a suspicion against The Chuck (and she would later walk back a fair amount of this case in a way that might have been dishonest, but that's not my main issue).

Speedchuck was one of just five people that Michelle shared that thread with. He also had apparently been singled out as a suspect by her coming into that day. This seemed either convenient or coincidental to me.

Separately, I had a theory that the events of yesterday were triggered by sig, as his role (The Architect) is derived from Inception Mafia, it contains secrets, and he was almost a sure bet to be lynched that coming day, so there would be no better time for him to trigger the hypothetical Inception event in his role card. IF this is the case (and that is an enormous if), then there are two people who would have known that the thread split was coming: sig and sig's partner. In the original Inception Mafia game (which Jay and I co-hosted), the mafia team was allowed limited control over which players submerged onto each dream level.

If sig's partner was preparing to submerge into a lower dream level, they would likely want to take a player with them who they could use as a scapegoat for suspicion, or someone who is unlikely to cast suspicion on them in particular. speedchuck could conceivably be a viable candidate for both of those things. So the theory is this: Michelle, as sig's partner/the anti-monitor, was aware that she was going to submerge into a smaller thread, and brought speedchuck with her, having pre-planned an attack against him for that day.

There are holes in this theory that I acknowledge: given that there was only one lynch yesterday (the top level/player with the most votes across all three levels) there should not have been much urgency for Michelle to need a scapegoat like this; it's also not at all impossible that Michelle suspected speedchuck and wanted to ISO him, and it was purely coincidental that they ended up in the same thread together. But the fact that Michelle had singularly prepared to launch an investigation against speedchuck yesterday (I asked her if she had compiled posts on anybody else and she said no) and then ended up in the same small group as him stood out to me as a remarkable coincidence.

this is a bad theory but I see where it’s coming from

It was a slow day.