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I wanted to prove I wasn't Marcus. It didn't quite work and there were several flaws in the plan, but it would look opportunistic to vote for LongCon and INH was around and wasn't saying anything yet.
I think LC was a little more likely to be bad, but INH was being belligerent and not super helpful. So if LC is town we lose more IMO. No offense INH, that's just how I saw it. Also, INH was more polarizing and could lead to more leads if Maf or if town.
I take it you aren't going to say what that is.nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:52 pmYes.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:51 pm Mod question: is there a method for determining lynch ties?
Did you choose to vote for Golden?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:23 am Hey, everybody.
Good job on LC, who I should have voted for. New rainbow coming up.
Btw, I haaaaaate silencing as a mechanic. I love talking. My favorite roles are bulletproof, mason, notepasser and sker. Anything that lets me talk extra. I will never self silence or pretend to be silenced.
I'm a bit perplexed by the meta that silenced people are more likely to be bad. Like, you don't clear them because WIFOM but you shouldn't suspect them either because WIFOM.
Did you choose to vote for Golden?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 12:23 am Hey, everybody.
Good job on LC, who I should have voted for. New rainbow coming up.
Btw, I haaaaaate silencing as a mechanic. I love talking. My favorite roles are bulletproof, mason, notepasser and sker. Anything that lets me talk extra. I will never self silence or pretend to be silenced.
I'm a bit perplexed by the meta that silenced people are more likely to be bad. Like, you don't clear them because WIFOM but you shouldn't suspect them either because WIFOM.
I figured it would make me look less like Marcus and I thought they were both about the same level of scumminess.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:24 pmI didn't want to vote for LC because I didn't have much of an opinion on him.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:16 pm K.
Why didn't you want to vote for LC, Epi?
You don't think Golden's "playing the ball" arguement held more water than "You know, I bet INH would give a Poppy curse"?
Why do you think Tony voted INH, considering he's barely played with the guy?
I don't understand Golden's "playing the ball" argument. I also don't care for someone voting and then trying to get other people to vote somewhere else.
I don't know why Tony voted INH. You could ask him.
Because I'm on mobile and too lazy to go back and check the front page / my memory to see which powers are on which team. And because I'm still lazy, just replace INH with Elo and I'll look at it more. Maybe Rico?LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:36 pmWhy do you think INH is likely LC's teammate? The start of any suspicion on him was that he was the Faceless Old Woman (or on that team)--that's the Politicians, not Strex. Can you explain why you put him with LC?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:10 pmI figured it would make me look less like Marcus and I thought they were both about the same level of scumminess.Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:24 pmI didn't want to vote for LC because I didn't have much of an opinion on him.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 1:16 pm K.
Why didn't you want to vote for LC, Epi?
You don't think Golden's "playing the ball" arguement held more water than "You know, I bet INH would give a Poppy curse"?
Why do you think Tony voted INH, considering he's barely played with the guy?
I don't understand Golden's "playing the ball" argument. I also don't care for someone voting and then trying to get other people to vote somewhere else.
I don't know why Tony voted INH. You could ask him.
It didnt work.
New pairings:
Strex Maf:
LC / (Epi or INH) / (Dom or DF)
And I feel like Elochin is in there but I can't figure out how.
INH and Dom probably aren't paired because then I feel we would have seen a half way serious lynch attempt on someone else.
I wrote up a response to this post and it got lost in the swirls of the internet. And I'm on mobile and really hate typing. So this is the abridged version.Golden wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:21 pmGut. I'd lynch him before I lynched you at this point, but neither of you are people I think would be good choices. Your case that epi is lcs teammate is viable but not damning.
I don't like tonys game. His effort to prove he isn't Marcus masks the fact there are 5 other baddies he could be, and I still don't think his thought process around his inh vote is transparent.
Rico silenced would also put him on the list of people both mafia had targeted, making him a strong town guess. That makes me slightly leery. Night 1 double target of JOH seems like a coincidence. Lots of people target JOH. But the StrexCorp would I think typically avoid silencing a suspect for their mafia. So Rico being silenced isn't going to make me view him as any more townie.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:18 am So does anyone have any thoughts about Rico being silenced? It seems weird. First one team curses him, then the other silences him. Of course, the curse could be for the weird novelty thing that's going on, but the silencing comes from the other team.
Rico's big targets have been Golden and INH. He thinks INH is behind the hexing, but the silence comes from the other team. It doesn't even work as a frame job.
Who else has Rico suspected? TSP, as of his last readlist. With a few sideeyes
I've already explained the vote, but I'll walk you through it again from a different side. If you still want me to explain the actual vote again I will.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:21 pm Tony, walk me through your last second vote on INH, again. Convince me that wasn't an attempt to save LC.
Maybe more likely in neither, or teammates were in on a game and suggested quirks. It rules out a mafia team of me/Jack/neverwhere, but as far as I can see it stops exactly that.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:22 pm Is it really not conceivable to anyone other myself that someone who wasn't directly linked to one of those games either read the thread or was aware of the gimmicks from both games?
I mean, come on. The people insisting that it HAS to be someone who played both games are more than a little suspicious to me right now.
Think of it like this: Rico's curse on D2 attracted a crazy amount of heat for people involved with Blue Velvet. By intentionally choosing to do the same thing with Dom and Rot3k, they're essentially designing a Venn Diagram of people they want us to look at.
Odds are seeming higher and higher to me that the Faceless Old Woman was involved with one at most of these games, and researched gimmicks players used in games she wasn't in to mislead the town and cause mislynches.
There are two possible motives FOW has for cursing people with old-game-specific posting restrictions: Sheer fuckery, or to mislead the town.
I believe it to be the latter.
On the flip, I think you are trying to steer us toward those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:33 pmIf you look at the lists I posted above, I already did that.
You missed Epi. To be fair, INH had missed him first, and I assume you were basing off his list.
Also, what do you think about Jack's thought that there could be 2 different players on the team who were each in one of the games?
It seems unlikely, to me, that someone following a game and not playing would know that 2 different self-imposed posts were a thing in 2 different games. I get what you're saying, but I think that it's likely that there are people on that team who were in both games. It's not just that they were both posting restrictions from old games--they were both self imposed restrictions.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:22 pm Is it really not conceivable to anyone other myself that someone who wasn't directly linked to one of those games either read the thread or was aware of the gimmicks from both games?
I mean, come on. The people insisting that it HAS to be someone who played both games are more than a little suspicious to me right now.
Think of it like this: Rico's curse on D2 attracted a crazy amount of heat for people involved with Blue Velvet. By intentionally choosing to do the same thing with Dom and Rot3k, they're essentially designing a Venn Diagram of people they want us to look at.
Odds are seeming higher and higher to me that the Faceless Old Woman was involved with one at most of these games, and researched gimmicks players used in games she wasn't in to mislead the town and cause mislynches.
There are two possible motives FOW has for cursing people with old-game-specific posting restrictions: Sheer fuckery, or to mislead the town.
I believe it to be the latter.
I think you're trying to steer us away from those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.
I'm fine with you voting for me, but I really don't understand how my vote seeming suspicious would make my a politician. If I were a politician I would have no incentive to lynch one over the other. And if INH were a politician too than I would want to vote for LC.
That would be suspicious.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:43 pm Comparatively at least there may be.
Regardless, I just wanted to entertain the thought. Welcome to Night Vale...
JoH how would you feel about me dropping a vote on tsp right now? I have no reason for this due to still not being caught up.
I still think Golden is a good lynch option.
I was agreeing with INH with my post. Lorab seemed to be pointing to exactly INH/Epi/Wilgy/Timmer being the curser, which seems rather specific and mafia trying to point away from teammates. I agreed with INH's above post about Maf trying to use these curses to control the conversation.Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:06 pm Hmm. The thing that's most caught my attention today is the INH/TSP/Lorab back and forth about curse theories. I think INH's analysis has a lot of merit—it points us toward the Politicians team containing at least one member with a decent amount of experience on the site, someone who would know to look to previous recent games for messy posting restrictions. This line really speaks to me: "By intentionally choosing to do the same thing with Dom and Rot3k, they're essentially designing a Venn Diagram of people they want us to look at." And lo and behold, the lists people are throwing out are creating those Venn diagrams of lynch suspects.
Lorab's responses feel earnestly civ, as Eloh recently mentioned. TSP's responses, on the other hand, seem dismissive of the curse investigation as a whole. First to INH, then to Lorab, who have opposite views of the curses:
For that matter, Speedchuck is being noncommittal about the curse interpretation as well, but in a less aggressive way.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:31 pm Maybe more likely in neither, or teammates were in on a game and suggested quirks. It rules out a mafia team of me/Jack/neverwhere, but as far as I can see it stops exactly that.
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On the flip, I think you are trying to steer us toward those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:41 pm
I tend to agree with INH's theory, but it could really go both ways. I don't like scum misleading us, and either the curses are doing that or INH is possibly scum and is reverse misleading us.
In any case, we're being presented with curses that we can ignore, rather than curses that limit conversation. In the interest of not being misled, I'm going to do just that. For the most part, ignore the curses.
That's why I backed off when you responded, I figured I had misunderstood.LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:16 pmIf that's what you got out of my post, then I don't think you really read it.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 7:01 pmI was agreeing with INH with my post. Lorab seemed to be pointing to exactly INH/Epi/Wilgy/Timmer being the curser, which seems rather specific and mafia trying to point away from teammates. I agreed with INH's above post about Maf trying to use these curses to control the conversation.Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 5:06 pm Hmm. The thing that's most caught my attention today is the INH/TSP/Lorab back and forth about curse theories. I think INH's analysis has a lot of merit—it points us toward the Politicians team containing at least one member with a decent amount of experience on the site, someone who would know to look to previous recent games for messy posting restrictions. This line really speaks to me: "By intentionally choosing to do the same thing with Dom and Rot3k, they're essentially designing a Venn Diagram of people they want us to look at." And lo and behold, the lists people are throwing out are creating those Venn diagrams of lynch suspects.
Lorab's responses feel earnestly civ, as Eloh recently mentioned. TSP's responses, on the other hand, seem dismissive of the curse investigation as a whole. First to INH, then to Lorab, who have opposite views of the curses:
For that matter, Speedchuck is being noncommittal about the curse interpretation as well, but in a less aggressive way.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:31 pm Maybe more likely in neither, or teammates were in on a game and suggested quirks. It rules out a mafia team of me/Jack/neverwhere, but as far as I can see it stops exactly that.
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On the flip, I think you are trying to steer us toward those people, which isn't making me feel very good about you.
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 3:41 pm
I tend to agree with INH's theory, but it could really go both ways. I don't like scum misleading us, and either the curses are doing that or INH is possibly scum and is reverse misleading us.
In any case, we're being presented with curses that we can ignore, rather than curses that limit conversation. In the interest of not being misled, I'm going to do just that. For the most part, ignore the curses.
I can't tell you for reasons. I'm not a bad guy. I didn't know if that would even happen that way. I am kind of to blame for Elo's death, but I believed she was anti town more than INH and didn't want to tip it.
My reaction, for perhaps a different reason.
1) To a certain degree.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:00 pm I do like that Tony has this theory. I know nothing about Night Vale, but can see their pictures are similar.
Here's what I take from this:
1) Tony had deliberate control over the target
2) Tony believed Elo to be StrexCorp
3) Tony has been trying to figure out why he is wrong, and has come up with a possiblity.
Now to figure out if this is a good look or a bad look for Tony, to have so much potential information and power.
Oops.LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 6:41 pmTrying to understand your full theory. Can you spell it out entirely?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:19 pm1) To a certain degree.Golden wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 5:00 pm I do like that Tony has this theory. I know nothing about Night Vale, but can see their pictures are similar.
Here's what I take from this:
1) Tony had deliberate control over the target
2) Tony believed Elo to be StrexCorp
3) Tony has been trying to figure out why he is wrong, and has come up with a possiblity.
Now to figure out if this is a good look or a bad look for Tony, to have so much potential information and power.
2) Believed him to be bad and believed that someone else was Cecil. See Cecil's radio notes Night 1. Kevin popped out as the immediate suspect for replacement when I noticed the pictures and occupation.
3) Yep.
I take it you think that the messages from night 1 and night 2 were written by different people? What makes you think that? Do you think Cecil only gets his power sometimes? Or do you think that LA was Cecil and Kevin replaced the messages once Cecil was dead? What benefit would there be to the team thinking that fourth votes didn't count--why do you think this?
What do you mean about the pictures?
Did you think that Wilgy was Cecil? If so, why?
Also, Elo is a she.
I don't think I'm who you think I am. I think it was the calling out of Epi that caught my eye, but he voted for Dom, so I'm not sure what it is. The other part you may have to trust me for. I could work out a tenuous bond on it with Wilgy, but he isn't showing up.LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 7:38 pm But the mechanics that Cecil, a civ, has no consistent night power, is also weird mechanics.
How many games have you played with Elo that you know her game well enough to be that confident that she's bad?
And you're implying that you got a message that told you that Wilgy is Cecil. Since your implied role doesn't have that ability. And Cecil doesn't have that ability, not sure what you're claiming. But that's now 2 claims that you think might be something but you can't say anything as to why. Which doesn't inspire confidence. That said, I believe that you believe that you figured something. So, please share more.
What did Cecil say night 1 that screamed Wilgy to you? I know you say you don't remember, but if you reread the message, might you? Here it is:
nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:11 pm Listeners, it appears I have found some old tapes hidden under the cabinets in the break room. I've asked Station Management if broadcasting the tapes over the air is allowed, and was met with purple flames and a note slipped under their door that simply read, "Yes." So, here goes:
*Whispers* Listeners?? Can you hear me? This is Cecil, whomever is currently reporting the news and the events of the intern relay is not me. I don't know who they are, or what their intentions are but it seems that I was somehow entered in the intern relay.
I'm currently using a mobile station to broadcast to you, or at least I hope I'm broadcasting to you.
I do not think it is currently safe for me to leave the relay and return to the radio station, especially with the current mood of station management. Besides, I thought I had seen Carlos nearby with his beautiful hair and beings who are definitely not angels. Maybe if I report while participating in the relay, I can bump into beautiful Carlos.
It grieves me to think that intern Made wasn't actually supposed to be sacrificed to station management. Even if Made turned out to be Steve Carlsberg, we should be sure to only sacrifice the interns who aren't actually interns... or at least the unfriendly interns. Steve Carlsberg may not have been the best guy, but I don't think he was the one who needed to be sacrificed today.
Listeners... What is this? In front of me, there is... There is a package and... it seems to be from the city council, and...
Oh no...
There's a birds beak, a rusty screw and 3 nails. The only explanation for this is that there has been a mischedule and the intern relay may be interrupted by street cleaners.
Listeners, I must go. I will continue to investigate what is happening and will hopefully return to you as soon as I can. To all interns in the relay keep an eye out for wild street cleaners, and review who chose who to be sacrificed and their reasons why. I'm looking at you intern Epignosis, you know what you did, yes you do.
Listeners, I apologize for the ten minutes of static and sizzling you just heard - something seems to be wrong with our tape player. I'll keep working on it and get back to you if anything develops.
Good theory, but 1: from what we saw of JOH in the second day that isn't how the forced vote works and 2: secrets.Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:36 pm My summary on this is basically:
- Look for Tamika in Eloh's suspects, as she was possibly role blocked
- In a situation where Eloh died as the result of a tie, it means that Marcus is one of sprityo and INH, and the Glow Cloud forced someone's vote away from TSP onto Eloh. This could mean that TSP is a teammate of the Glow Cloud.
You are very persistent. JOH was giving three theories to explain LC's lynch. One of them was Dom is bad. One of them is SMaf thought INH was bad. One of them is SMaf wasn't trying to save LC. JOH had crossed off the legitimaely thinking INH was bad one because assuming Rico was good and because I didn't push on INH before that it wasn't plausible (for some reason-- honestly, this one still makes the most sense to me).Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:51 pmSo..... any reason that you ruled me out as SMaf or?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.
Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
I think no one is responding to you because no one knows what you are getting at.Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:04 pm1) Both of us could be sMaf but didn't save LCTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:59 pmYou are very persistent. JOH was giving three theories to explain LC's lynch. One of them was Dom is bad. One of them is SMaf thought INH was bad. One of them is SMaf wasn't trying to save LC. JOH had crossed off the legitimaely thinking INH was bad one because assuming Rico was good and because I didn't push on INH before that it wasn't plausible (for some reason-- honestly, this one still makes the most sense to me).Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:51 pmSo..... any reason that you ruled me out as SMaf or?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.
Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
So from JOH's point of view there were two theories left. I pointed out that if you were bad with me we could have lynched INH. Since we didn't, we wouldn't be teammates on SMaf. Either of us could be on SMaf seperately. But as far as Jacks theories go, if you aren't bad that leaves him with SMaf wasn't trying to save LC. So no matter what role I was, I would have no reason to try to save LC. So that wasn't what I was doing.
2) Your wording was "Dom isn't SMaf--at least not with me"
Something tells me that last addition tells us everything we need to know.
1. I scumread Eloh.Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:02 pmWhy do you think that Eloh is more likely to be Kevin than Wilgy?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.
Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:58 pmU wot m8? Do tell me this theory, as I would like to be reinvolved with this game.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:48 pm I can't confirm any of my Cecil theory until Wilgy shows up, which is unfortunate. If you have specific questions I can try to answer them and I will check with the mod to see the specifics of what I can / can't say.
Main points:
Wilgy is Cecil because secrets
Eloh is Cecil because she flipped that way
One of them (probably Eloh) is actually Kevin
I keep trying to catch up, but then keep being distracted. I've been building a new bedroom attached to my folk's house all weekend and I have several hundred posts to read through. I really stopped paying attention while my posts were short and sweet. Sorry fam.
I think TSP, JoH, and Golden are all good lynch candidates?
Okay. I think we're on the same page.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:03 pm @Golden - No, fight me.
@LoRabbit - I was going to wait for EoN before I speculate anything like this. As far as I know yesterday was a role shenanigan-d clusterfuck.
@TSP - Yeah, but you won't hear it from me. I also questioned the proof behind the claims that both Rico and Dom were cursed, but you won't hear it from me.
It implies you are.Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:18 pmIt implies you are.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:19 pm Dom isn't SMaf--at least not with me.
So Dom could be SMaf without me.
Cause maybe Rico knows something and can't / won't tell up.insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:38 pmTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:01 pmGeneral consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.
