The Syndicate

Fuck, I guess this means I was lynched and have to explain some things to you guys?

I replaced nova over the night, was given access to a different thread where people had no access to D1 stuff (though could discuss the ISOs they had already worked on) and had to lynch with a secret vote. Vote tallies and stating your vote was strictly forbidden and you had to write at least three people that were in your voting pool to stay within the rules.

Nova was among the lynch pool of most people so I presume I was lynched and nanook was night killed. We got Boo’s flip, but the lynch result wasn’t given at day end. I’m not sure why we got Boo lol, it was possibly a mod mistake.

I’ve actually played a similar game, but it was super experimental. There was a spirit relm where people fell into after lynch and we had to lynch them double, a bunch of people died for no reason N1 lol
In that game tho the spirit relm people knew of the other thread. We had no access to this thread (if that wasn’t clear already).

Some people in the other one though might’ve seen me reading the thread, I was never officially replaced up there and nova posted during EoD

Very full tram rip

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:28 pm We also gained Ty4on didn't we?

\o/

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:25 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:17 pm Ugh rip guys and I'm not thrilled to just keep playing with the same sub group. Was hoping it would be switched up more.
It's not the same group, we lost Benson and gained Nanook, who I guess is conftown.
Wait why
Because Ty says Nanook was NK'd. Though maybe that could have been a SK, but that would mean someone got blocked on the mafia team - I think.

No

I should say I presume Nanook was a NK since there wasn’t any push to lynch him and I think he was somewhat townread, at least not really scum read

And I don’t know *how* he got here. I never saw the lynch flip nor do I even know if there is a traditional NK as I never saw one happen.

Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:36 pm And I don’t know *how* he got here. I never saw the lynch flip nor do I even know if there is a traditional NK as I never saw one happen.

It should follow too that I don’t know how I came here either, but a bunch of top three posts by people included Nova’s name and I’m guessing the mafia would vote as a block.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:04 pm Ugh Benson.

And two town wagons yesterday.

Welcome @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @Ty4on can't wait to hear where you guys have been.
Yooooo

We got split into our own thread, we couldn’t discuss votes in a group narrower than 3 or try to convince people to vote, rabbit had a hare brained theory that all the syndicate regulars are scum, pawn is actually kinda scum, and boo flipped town.

You think pawn is scum too? That’s one of the few “I guess” reads that I made during the night.

I’m a little relieved at least that I don’t have to worry about projecting my vote intentions lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both
There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.

If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both
There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?

>:(

Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:00 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:56 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:55 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:52 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:43 pm Someone wanna tag me with cliff notes about who was scummy yesterday here, cause uh....I’m not reading back
Lol like nobody tho. Maybe elephant or vanity but never both
There’s gotta be something scum in here though right.

Otherwise this is a fuckton of town.
If this continues I guess it’s possible the other thread never sends us any scum and we have to maybe no-lynch.

Would be quite strange tho if this group was pure to begin with
Maybe the other thread did send us scum; everyone is town if you ask them.
Nanook, was that a proper lynch, or a mislynch? What was nova scumread for?
>:(
No offense intended, I am sorry.

None taken

FWIW I wanted to ask people in the other thread why they scumread nova. What I could gather was it came mostly from the timing of the 112 vote with most people leaning town on 112. There were also some saying nova felt similarly coasting to how they were playing in the last game.

nova was posting tho and making some pretty decent posts imo. I think iaafr shaded them for increasing activity near EoD.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:11 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:08 pm FWIW I wanted to ask people in the other thread why they scumread nova. What I could gather was it came mostly from the timing of the 112 vote with most people leaning town on 112. There were also some saying nova felt similarly coasting to how they were playing in the last game.

nova was posting tho and making some pretty decent posts imo. I think iaafr shaded them for increasing activity near EoD.
Increasing activity near the day 1 or day 2 EOD? I'm going to look back at him in EOD on day 1.

Day 2, I couldn't read anything from D1 as I was casually catching up at night as everyone in that thread lost access to this one.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:13 pm Ty4on maybe you answered this and I didn't see it but was everyone who wasn't here over on the other side? We had 27 people to start day 2, 11 were here, which would mean if there was only one other location (novas and nanook's) there would have been 16 people there.

I don't have any page with the full playerlist, but I think so. Using memory and looking over I think this is the full playerlist:

Spoiler: show

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:16 pm So wait let me get this straight. You guys votes privately, and then at EOD you saw boo's flip from our lynch, just like we did? And you didn't get to see who from your side got lynched, but you assume it was nova, so do you think they got to see Nova's flip at end of night when you were appearing here?

Yeah, the way the Boo flip was worded was a bit weird as if it was a mistake, but it came just after EoD as if it was intended I guess.

Before the Boo flip it was publicly stated that the result of the lynch wouldn't be publicized until the night ended.

vanity. wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:01 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:08 pm FWIW I wanted to ask people in the other thread why they scumread nova. What I could gather was it came mostly from the timing of the 112 vote with most people leaning town on 112. There were also some saying nova felt similarly coasting to how they were playing in the last game.

nova was posting tho and making some pretty decent posts imo. I think iaafr shaded them for increasing activity near EoD.
yo ty4on, what posts of nova's did you think were decent?

They're in the other thread ._.

There was a willingness to follow the game. Actual solving wasn't great, but the tone and reaction to people scumreading him was good and felt pure.
The thing that stood out to me the most was the initial reaction to losing all of D1 and entering a brand new thread was "I don't have to read 30 pages now

" lol

Super random, but in this world individual role actions cost 2 role points (Post #5), but in that other world we were in they only cost 1 role point and it specified that it's "at this level". Otherwise similarly stated in an individual post near the beginning of the thread.

I'm not sure how that helps, but I just noticed it skimming through first page rules again.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:30 pm [VOTE: Ty4on] aubergine
I'm sheeping Benson. Also, novaseline was lynched once already, and I don't like a stream of potential mafia trickling down on us. I don't want to lynch Creature. I have not examined Nova's ISO myself, but will do so now.

Right now is this a Benson sheep with your own read being null?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation

I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:07 pm You have outspammed me

The more the merrier. Imma assume you’re not busy anymore?

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation
I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa
I have no idea how can you confuse nutella's avatar with mine.

I just see a very similar shade of green in my peripheral vision. I skim avatars reading forums and did the same reading some of early D2 stuff.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:17 pm On the other hand I'm fairly angry

Hmmm, not sure if it’s the right time then to ask you what you look like as mafia. All I know is you’ve got a reputation of being mislynched as town, but you look pretty pure tonally here.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:19 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:17 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:16 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:14 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:03 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.
Nothing I can really be useful about

Just self-deprecation and nonself-deprecation
I have to stop reading Creature’s avatar as nutella’s and vice versa
I have no idea how can you confuse nutella's avatar with mine.
I just see a very similar shade of green in my peripheral vision. I skim avatars reading forums and did the same reading some of early D2 stuff.
nutella's avatar looks more white to me?

I’ll forward it to the visuals department

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:07 pm I would like to hear some thoughts from @Creature and @@Ty4on.

I don’t really have a tom right now. Did a short read of early D2 stuff here and got some decent vibes from Creature tonally, but nothing deeper. I see vanity elephant and long con were being floated as lynch targets (and remain unflipped), but i don’t have a ton of thoughts of them. I only know of vanity’s play as i’ve spectated a bunch of games where he played and were town.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:17 pm@@Ty4on You mentioned some slight improvements to nova's play on level 2. The lynch still took him, so is it fair to say that the majority didn't agree with your assessment? Do you think more wolf or town votes were on nova?

I don’t know who voted where and I didn’t really make any decent reads catching up nor did I really make a note of where people where seemingly voting.

I’m guessing wolves would see me being a very likely lynch and see a simple townie to vote for, I dunno if the voting restriction extends to their chat tho and if wolves can pile on votes or have be independent like the rest of the thread.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:25 pm If you want my opinion about my scum game: I feel like I solve way too quickly in a way that sounds obviously ingenuine

Do you prefer to play as scum?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:40 pm Just to be devil's advocate... what are the benefits/drawbacks of a No-Lynch today?

How many bad guys do you think are in this group?
I guess it all hinges around that

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 11:36 pm I'm not feeling great about how little actual analysis is going on in this here phase but also I am tired and sympathize

We’re the group that keeps walking up at night

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:38 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:34 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:30 pm creature having a reputation of being mislynched as villager...

x doubt
It's very true on this site and that was brought up a lot on d1 of this game so it's reasonable he may have seen reference to that
creature is infamous for formerly having a meta of posting a ton as town, to the point where he's irreconcilably lock clear, and being completely frozen and unable to post as a wolf, at least on mu at the very least. this meta has been broken, but i guess some of residue of that former meta is why what ty4on brings up doesn't match to me.

also, ty4on doesn't seem to be a regularly on the syndicate? so how would he even here about it here? was it brung up somewhere else in the game? him even thinking that seems extremely odd to me

I read the early parts of the game until I lost access to the thread. Iirc I got Creature’s entrance to the thread with me and some syndicate commentary about dragging him to a town victory.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:45 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:43 pm also i have just realized that if what ty4on said is true, i don't get to stop playing the game after being lynched, which sounds extremely lame.

WHY WON'T YOU JUST LET ME DIE WHY WON'T YOU JUST LET ME DIE
I believe people who die in our level actually die in the game

Wouldn’t surprise me if people in that other thread didn’t get my flip otherwise the presumed next person coming from there could just tell everybody my alignment.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 5:50 pm Is wrong on me

Was wrong on Faraday

Was right on Dragomir at least

Considers lynching Elephant

I think he would lynch nova's slot rn

I can’t remember reading any of his later posts (think he was away during eod), but on initial thread entry Epi’s nova read was basically “Voted 112 at a crucial time, can be lynched”

Working a bit backwards... Epignosis' wall on vanity

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vanity.

vanity. wrote:strongest v's after reading are nutella, epignosis, and evenstar.

sprityo, jack, elephant, iaafr, and creature are all probably v's. some of those don't feel great but that's how i felt while reading.

nanook and master radishes are the trailing edge of my town circle. dragomir is sorta towny too but i didn't really get that one quickly at all.

the townreads on michelle make absolutely no sense to me. they group of people townreading her might contain wolves purely because i think michelle hasn't really projected town or shown me massive differences to the limited amount of wolfgames i read from her.

juliets' posts just feel incredibly stiff to me. i don't know how to explain it, it just doesn't feel like any of the questions and observations she's making are real.

pawn's impact on the game feels super underwhelming at the moment.

This statement exists.

vanity. wrote:guess i can entertain your ideas mac, not doing color coding tho

dark green:
hyena
creature
nutella
jack
mr
iaafr

light green:
sprityo
mac
epig
lld
spiny
benson

yellow:
nanook
texas
evenstar
pawn
elephant
rej
long con
drago
dom

orange:
dfaraday
tonystarkprime
juliets
112
quin
michelle
tlib

red:
nova

vanity, what was the progression that led from “sorta towny” to yellow?

i could kill drago here i think

If forced to choose, I'd say this looks spontaneous and natural rather than forced.

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:28 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:27 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:26 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:20 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:18 pm Drago is Town here no?
i do not understand any of your posts

be villagery
Hi! Nice to meet you.
hi, nice to meet you too.

how's your day?
quick sell on tsp over drago pls
i dunno lol

i just want competitive wagons

vanity. did not engage nova on his assertion that Dragomir is good. Rather, vanity. pressed nova. That looks to be in the former's favor.

vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:45 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:42 pm [VOTE: drago] aubergine

don't want epi lynched
Do you think someone else would've hopped on the Epi wagon? We would've needed two more people to take the lead over Drago.
idk

i just think epi is likely a v

This likewise is favorable.

++++

The evidence isn't overwhelmingly strong, but it is sufficiently encouraging. I do not plan on pursuing a vanity. lynch today. Not that I could if I wanted to.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:11 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:01 pm creature looking at people to sheep is almost always indicative of him being a villager
How do you know this?
i don't know if that's something creature can't do as mafia, but it's like... i'm a villager, i have no information, let's look at what strong players/other players are saying that can give me guidance in this game state. that sense. there's a sort of naivete about it that tells me that it's indicative of creature being a villager.

also looking at what others say is something wolves don't like to do often because it gives villagers a sense of direction to push in themselves. unless it's something said wolves can use to push their agenda, but creature is pulling from multiple different reads list. i guess it could be a wolf gimmick. but just ask yourself the question: does creature quoting mac or epi's reads list make you consider what those people have to say? if it did, then it probably means that if creature was a wolf, he shouldn't have done that.

Wouldn't it be kinda easy to fake as a wolf? Especially since neither player is here to attack Creature for getting it wrong, nor are they confirmed town.
Like I totally sheep reads as town, but I don't see it as a big of a stretch for Creature to sheep entire readlists to slack off a bit.

@[mention]vanity.[/mention] have your read of me evolved beyond kinda villagery?

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:24 pm @@vanity. have your read of me evolved beyond kinda villagery?
your recent posts don't inspire me with any confidence. seems like your current impact on the game is just... not there.

Why didn't you join the discussion about my wagon when people first brought me up then?

When the cleanest wagon is on yourself

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:27 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:26 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:25 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:24 pm @@vanity. have your read of me evolved beyond kinda villagery?
your recent posts don't inspire me with any confidence. seems like your current impact on the game is just... not there.
Why didn't you join the discussion about my wagon when people first brought me up then?
what discussion? i wouldn't lynch you today as of right now but i don't think you're necessarily a villager in my eyes.

There are quite a few people talking about lynching me including people like Elephant and Nanook who didn't have their vote on me when you posted that.
Your silence there just feels a bit strange, but I'm not quite sure if it's good or bad.

How is vanity "too clean"? I know he voted wolf, is it mainly because of a clean vote on said wolf?

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:41 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 pm How is vanity "too clean"? I know he voted wolf, is it mainly because of a clean vote on said wolf?
This was Benson's read on Vanity.

So basically my summary?

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:41 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 pm How is vanity "too clean"? I know he voted wolf, is it mainly because of a clean vote on said wolf?
benson was the one that thought that and he is no more.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:45 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:42 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:41 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:40 pm How is vanity "too clean"? I know he voted wolf, is it mainly because of a clean vote on said wolf?
This was Benson's read on Vanity.
So basically my summary?
What about your summary? o.O I'm confused.

That it's as simple as that.

Benson: "vanity made a clean vote on a wolf, that's too clean"

And not much "I think it's because of these other factors too that add in a big way to my point"

Basically [mention]Hyena[/mention] I haven't caught up D2 and I'm not gonna be able to finish a Benson iso

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?
Me, nutella, Nanook, TLib, Elephant.

TLib and Elephant?

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:53 pm i'm not voting ty4on for the record

self-preserving is for pussies

self-pres meta is really handy with a wolf rand tho

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:55 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:54 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:52 pm i don't even need to see the towncore and i already know that it's bollocks.

i've had no information of this. why don't you guys share this poe with the class?
Me, nutella, Nanook, TLib, Elephant.
TLib and Elephant?
Yes.

I'm sheeping a sheep, but...

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:56 pm I can't believe we're letting Tlib getting away with slanking all day. HE DID NOTHING but watch.

vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:55 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:53 pm i'm not voting ty4on for the record

self-preserving is for pussies
self-pres meta is really handy with a wolf rand tho
yeah but uh

why are you implying that i rolled town tbh?

have i stated anything else?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 pm
Ty4on wrote: ↑Mon Nov 04, 2019 6:57 pm I'm sheeping a sheep, but...

Benson wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:56 pm I can't believe we're letting Tlib getting away with slanking all day. HE DID NOTHING but watch.

i did stuff today and way more then you did today

what does any of that have to do with me? I wasn't even in the game back then lol

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

[VOTE: vanity.] aubergine

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