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Probably because it sounds like I'm trying to pocket you
Neon, do you think svs's reply to me there was a pocket attempt on either of us? Cause it read like one to me.Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:23 pmFun fact. I suck at this game. But I am actually pretty good at finding towns... well at least when I town core them.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:15 pmI don't think Neon is woof either. I agree with some of her town; you and Porscha, and Kate. The rest I dunno.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.
Why pyxxy?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:27 pm Dennis
neon
nutella
porscha
pyxxy
tsp
windward
I townread u guise atm u r welcome
Cause I think falcon is town and pyxxy is scumMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:34 pm hey windy why is falcon not in ur solve?
Ur solve and mine look quite similar aside cpl little changes
take me out and let's winnn
Nvm i should shut up and finish reading brbMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:32 pm looking at these names in isolation I think that wilgy and seanzie are townier than Kate svs and falcon just lil bit
The yes gimmick where Wilgy says yes to literally everything?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:36 pmcuz of this
I actually just think wilgy is town tbh
I didS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:36 pmyeah it wasn't, I was being polite. I've been saying I thought you were town since day 0; why didn't you think those were pocket attempts?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:34 pmNeon, do you think svs's reply to me there was a pocket attempt on either of us? Cause it read like one to me.Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:23 pmFun fact. I suck at this game. But I am actually pretty good at finding towns... well at least when I town core them.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:15 pmI don't think Neon is woof either. I agree with some of her town; you and Porscha, and Kate. The rest I dunno.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.
Ah right lol, I missed thatMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:38 pmthis was me answering why falcon and wilgy aren't paired to nutWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:37 pmThe yes gimmick where Wilgy says yes to literally everything?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:36 pmcuz of this
I actually just think wilgy is town tbh
I think wilgy's town cuz he has voted both Kate and svs who I think r not lol
100% this actuallynutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pmYeah they could easily be partners. Especially since SVS is going after Dennis and not Kate for the cop snafu when that makes zero sense and the concern that Kate had TMI makes all the sense.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pmwhen I lied about Kate sheeping my svs read and they both got all ree about it that was fun u should read back on that
Because I decided not to play this game how I usually play. I kept mostly quiet yesterday about my reads and I'm well aware I said some of your early game posts looked more or less fine to me. I wanted to see what would happen if I left my read sitting there with no update.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:41 pmTouche. I thought you made alot of sense, and were engaging with the thread in an honest way. That's why I town read you. I wish you had said something before today that you found it otherwise. If you thought I was trying to unscrupulously influence you days ago, why didn't you vote for me Day One?Spoiler: show
And bbl, gotta go eat dinner. Happy Happy Joy Joy.
Wow this is an incredibly wolfy voteKate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:57 pmI haven't decided where I'm moving to yet Jesus. You seem awfully eager to bring me down to wolf status after you spent a half day basking in the "green check" I supposedly gave you.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:30 pmThis post happened btw. What is this.Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pmYea.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
Yeah see I'm undecided on thisMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:20 pm Would they really just both mald and rage vote Nutella at the same time?
Nutella is now IC ... I'm sure one of them is mafia. But both? Really?
You think Kate is outed... I think SVS is the scummier one lol.
Idk, it's been a holiday for me today, idk about the rest of the world and I'm going to sleep soonKate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:29 pmYou guys realize it's just the 5 of us yapping away in here? While the majority if the people sit back and let it happen?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:27 pmWow this is an incredibly wolfy voteKate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:57 pmI haven't decided where I'm moving to yet Jesus. You seem awfully eager to bring me down to wolf status after you spent a half day basking in the "green check" I supposedly gave you.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
so why am I not also guilty for sitting back and letting stuff happen? I don't think I've said anything controversial.Pyxxy 100%
I have something I want to say regarding Dennis, but I'm gonna hold the commentary overnight while I sleep and get back to it in the morning if I still think there are reasonable grounds for mentioning it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:36 pmS~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:23 pmBecause bad Kate doesn’t put herself out like this. I’ll make any bet you want that I’m right.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:20 pmI don't follow how you could have a lock town read on Kate here?S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:19 pm100%nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:15 pmThere's no way both of you are town. 0%.
@Dennis i would like your opinion here, thanks
something weird about svs's treatment of Dennisnutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:40 pmYeah they could easily be partners. Especially since SVS is going after Dennis and not Kate for the cop snafu when that makes zero sense and the concern that Kate had TMI makes all the sense.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:39 pmwhen I lied about Kate sheeping my svs read and they both got all ree about it that was fun u should read back on that
I realize this was an unreasonable way to ask this lol, sorry about that. Last time I asked someone why they were town and they just got their feathers ruffled and yelled at me about asking stupid questions, and tbh that's the least useful part of it anyway.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 7:36 pm So @Kate , when you come back. Why should I not be scumreading you? What points to you being town, and what points to svs being town? If we hypothetically flip svs first and svs flips scum, will that change your other reads?
Yeah but even if Mac is scum I still want svs out first because I suspect her moreSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:15 pmIt's not "you're their partner" or anything like that, Mac just wants to point out that I'll look bad.
Mac knows my alignment. Based on this, I'd guess he's bussing, but honestly it could be either way.
Regardless, Mac does not have a good SVS case and the fact that Mac is doing this stonewall on me when I'm trying to work with him, it's no bueno.
Yeah you're really missing the real time context lol
I did this too, even svs pointed it out, so why aren't you pointing that out?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pmAlso worth noting that Mac said nothing of SVS yesterday, but then came in today apparently convinced enough on wolf!SVS that he spent numerous posts saying it without explanation.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:19 pmI was there, you're overstating what happened, and regardless you've been pushing scum!SVS since early today without reason, but now you only want to talk about what happened very recently.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:17 pm let me help u Seanzie
1. I made some snap townreads and liked them
2. I did quick associative to rule out some teams
3. I realised a few of my town had similar reads
4. When i and others pushed svs and Kate they kind of outed in real time
If u weren't there I guess maybe it wasn't so cool.
Yeah, this ^nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:42 pmHe probably assumed it was more clear in his iso that he also jived with the reasons Wind and I had for suspecting SVS later. I do stuff like this all the time too, it's a classic townie retrospective memory/mindset assumption or something. Idk I'm probably not explaining it well but I think it is far more likely to come from a town who is sloppy yet confident than a wolf who is faking a progression.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:38 pmSorry, I am frustrated and did indeed read past this post. I politely disagree that at this stage in the venture vibe reads from Mac are okay.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:35 pmQuote the posts then. What reasons? WHAT REASONS?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:34 pmI'm done being told I haven't read. I have read. You are talking past my entire response here which is that vibe reads are FUCKING FINE.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:32 pmOkay, I am getting frustrated. Mac's reasons are not up to basic standards, not just "my standards".
Please quote Mac's reasons for his SVS push. I am trying to speak to you, but I cannot tell if you aren't listening or actually disagree. I want to make sure you've actually looked at Mac's ISO and looked through their SVS posts, because right now I kind of think maybe you haven't and are instead choosing to let you current feelings of Mac tell you to defend him. Look through his ISO, ctrl+f SVS, quote the reasons for his SVS read, which should hold up to BASIC standards, let alone my standards.
Please do me this favor.
what reasons? I don't see them. I just want to see them. I don't.
Vibe reads are too easy for wolves to hide behind. And if Mac only vibe-read SVS, they could have just said so when I pushed them on it. Instead they told me to tell them what i disagree with.
Ergo, Mac would only TELL ME TO SAY WHAT I DISAGREED WITH if Mac was trying to put up the pretense that Mac actually had reasons. Mac isn't claiming vibe reads here, Mac is claiming reasons, but their ISO doesn't back it up.
Would wolf!Dennis do the thing where he publicly outs his read that you might be a town cop greenchecking nutella in the thread?Kate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:10 pmI'm not ignoring you but I'm getting AWFULLY concerned that young Dennis hasn't been around during any of this when he's usually online 24/7.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:08 pm look they are actively trolling me by continuously pinging Dennis and ignoring me
If you flip me today you're just gonna go to svs tomorrow and waste a second day trying to flip her because I'm townnutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:15 pmThen lets vote wind amiriteKate wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:08 pmMac when have you ever needed me to explain a read on svs? And when have I ever been wrong? NEVER.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:06 pm I can't believe I have to live in a universe where I get to be griefed by Seanzie for no explain and he is totally fine with Kate and svs townreading each other while ignoring my pleas for them to explain lol
Shes civ. I know her, KNOW her. For 15 fucking years. She is not bad here. She's fighting, she's firey, and uninhibited. She called out nutella with no fear. She's civ.
Idr seeing that but i did mention powerwolfing I think around the end of D0 of start of D1 and tbh I don't remember why or in what contextPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:26 amok I just spent a dummy amount of time t rying to search for a quote i'm like SO sure exists but I could not find it in the 2 iso's I thought it would be in and couldn't find by control f'ing like every page of the game so now I'm wondering if i'm delusional. I could have sworn someone(s) made a comment about how the threadstate was ripe for power wolfing earlierSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:55 pmI would vote Mac. I do not get the feeling that they have any desire to lead town, whereas based on how I've been feeling and other people have echoed, we are lacking a strong town leader.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:22 pmmac I swear to god I will policy you
Just push me today. I don't really care lol
Yes, and?Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:41 amI am not sure and don't care what WWA's endgoal is atp, I just want them to not push me over things that I should not be pushed for. Can you explain to them that what they are seeing is not necessarily indicative of scum!Seanzie?Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:36 amWindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:46 amI'm trying to figure out why he's throwing out so many scumreads when I'm pretty sure he threw out both scumreads and townreads early on in the last game.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:50 am Like at first I thought it was to get reactions out of people, but if Seanzie makes it so obvious that he's doing it, it's not going to get reactions out of people
So i don't understand the purpose of it and I also don't believe he believes all of what he's said.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:36 amThat's a fair pointS~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 6:07 am After the rainbows and sunshine Day Zero, I'm having issues seeing anyone as sinister tbh. Hrm.
Could be Sean is trying to not so much get reactions from people whose names he throws out, but reactions from other people reactions to the suspicion, and to him making it, if that makes sense.
I think it makes sense. Maybe.
Either that or its the classic "throw shit and see what sticks" ploy. So far I''m leaning the first.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 3:40 pm I feel like I'm being counterproductive by further splitting votes but
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
I don't have any super good leads, sorry, and I know Seanzie said he isn't playing at the effort level he put into champs practice, but "vibes" or "gut" or whatever says he feels a bit off, not based on activity (it's a holiday weekend, people be busy) but just that his posts feel lacking in solving energy. And I don't think I'm the only one who noticed this.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:19 amYou're spewing nutella wolf? LolSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:02 amOther way around, frand.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:25 am tee hee lily said I was mafia and voted me ergo died to frame me and it was nutella who did it
svs is just wolfish @Kate agrees
Seanzie is just spewed woof by Nutella tee heeWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.
[VOTE: Seanzie] auberginethese are the posts I can see why you would not really like them. but do you think she is using your self-provided reasoning for playing differently against you as an opportunistic endeavor? or that she agrees that you are playing differently and can't reconcile that with how she knows town sean can play?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:12 pmI'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:21 amHonestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
please hold. I have more thoughts on other posts. your call is important to us.
I have felt like their push on me has been less than genuine, but it is difficult to judge until I see how they react when others tell them they are wrong.
I'm gonna be completely honest and say I don't remember why Neon was in my PoEPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:56 amWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:15 pmI'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's townWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:19 pm Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing soWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:00 pmActually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" partWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pmI would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips townnutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:21 pmWould you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely wouldWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:18 pmOh thanks for reminding me lily flipped townnutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:17 pmhmmmWindwardAway wrote: ↑Fri Apr 07, 2023 5:44 am
That's also my thought but idk how confident I am in it, probably less than you
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well
Neon was in my PoE anywayWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:57 pmYes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:06 pmI meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:12 pmI'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:21 amHonestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pmA very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!SeanzieSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 pmWhat did you see?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.
So congrats, that's a point in your favorWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:20 pmThis is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two nowSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:48 pmTell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:31 pmYes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pm... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pmA very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!SeanzieSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 pmWhat did you see?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.
So congrats, that's a point in your favor
My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.
It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read
so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either
I meant end of D1 or start of D2WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 3:51 amIdr seeing that but i did mention powerwolfing I think around the end of D0 of start of D1 and tbh I don't remember why or in what contextPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:26 amok I just spent a dummy amount of time t rying to search for a quote i'm like SO sure exists but I could not find it in the 2 iso's I thought it would be in and couldn't find by control f'ing like every page of the game so now I'm wondering if i'm delusional. I could have sworn someone(s) made a comment about how the threadstate was ripe for power wolfing earlierSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:55 pmI would vote Mac. I do not get the feeling that they have any desire to lead town, whereas based on how I've been feeling and other people have echoed, we are lacking a strong town leader.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 4:22 pmmac I swear to god I will policy you
Yes, because the people who know you did not tell me they thought you were town. like how is that hard to undrrstand? You can fault me all you want for not asking for their opinions, but this is a public thread and I shouldn't need to ask people to give their unsolicited opinions if it's very publicly obvious i was pushing you because your early play in this game didn't match your champs game. I can't 100% trust your meta on yourself because you'd say that as any alignment (or maybe you wouldn't, idk, but as far as I'm concerned anyone can say stuff about themselves). But nobody came in to stop me from making a push based on a sample size of one game with you. Are there wolves sitting back and keeping quiet about your meta? Yeah probably. But did anyone tell me I was wrong? No. In fact, someone even said they weren't seeing the usual town Seanzie at that point (probably nutella). That confirmed my opinion.Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:02 amThis is a weirdly analytical post from Porscha.Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:56 amWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:15 pmI'm perfectly fine with doming Seanzie if you want us to be wagons for today
If Sean actually flips town then I'll just suck it and flip tomorrow but I genuinely do not get why I should think he's townWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:19 pm Vibing is fun and solving is fun but I'm just sitting on a wolf!Seanzie take and not really solving any further, I'm completely aware of that and frankly I'm fine with doing soWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:00 pmActually maybe I retract the "especially if Seanzie flips town" partWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:46 pmI would look at Neon regardless of Seanzie's flip tbh but especially if Seanzie flips townnutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:21 pmWould you look at neon if seanzie flips town though bc spoiler I definitely wouldWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:18 pmOh thanks for reminding me lily flipped town
I was thinking one of those two names was gonna flip wolf with Seanzie
So I guess I'll look at neon again if Seanzie flips wolf which he probably will, if he doesn't, oh well
Neon was in my PoE anywayWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:57 pmYes I do, and other people (nutella) also said you're not towny so it verifies my opinion.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 1:06 pmI meantioned in Champs practice that I was playing in a specific way, I mentioned here that I was playing Champs practice in a specific way, at yet you don't bother to verify this at all and instead scumread me for percieved differences without being willing to reconsider? What am I to make of that?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 12:12 pmI'm not, because I think there's a lack of what I saw in the champs practice game and that's good enough for me.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 10:21 amHonestly I don't feel like you're looking for town!Seanzie.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:20 am Whatever, im sticking with keeping my vote where it was yesterday. Seanzie, you haven't convinced me youre town.
[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
One of your early "differences" was that in Champs practice I did both scumreads and townreads early. It actually use to be a scumtell for me to state townreads, and I still often don't bother to townhunt as town, so your understanding of me is way off, and you have plenty of people in the thread that know me better than you do to help shape your understanding.
Idc, I'll happily thunderdome you today.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pmA very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!SeanzieSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 pmWhat did you see?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pmCrap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.
So congrats, that's a point in your favorWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:20 pmThis is 100% true I was completely not gonna bother trying to find any towny posts by you cause I hadn't seen any up to that point but I've seen one or two nowSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 5:48 pmTell me about WWA? I do not like their push on me when what they're suspecting me over could easily be cleared up by like 75% of the people in the game, and instead of doing anything to find them, they've just resigned to not do anything the rest of the game.I might be a little biased here but I generally get the idea that wwa is not only:WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:31 pmYes, but the reaction you had to my tunneling you is decently convincing. I like reading people off of direct interaction if I don't have enough evidence otherwise. I'll push and I'll be argumentative if I think it's going to net me a solid read by the time I'm done.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:17 pm... everything you just said actually usually more describes my scum play.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:14 pmA very reasonably structured post with the tone and reaction i was expecting to come more likely from town!SeanzieSeanzie wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:12 pmWhat did you see?WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:11 pm
Crap, I don't scumread you actually
Ngl I'm gonna drop whatever I was doing and take both you and Seanzie off my immediate PoE. I have other people I want out more.
If Seanzie still wants to TD me that's fine, I'm at fault for asking for it. But I saw something from him that made me change my mind while catching up.
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Mac should die first.
So congrats, that's a point in your favor
My normal town modus operandi is to cover myself with large amounts of fresh meat, and then stand in the middle of a field yelling, and then look around at everyone to see who is 1. wolf taking the bait, 2. town genuinely just hungry for steak, 3. wolves shying away from me in weird ways because they know I'm trying to bait then, and 4. town shying away from me because they know they can watch and find people who satisfy 1 and 3 around me.
It is not reasonably structured, but it is effective.
1) making a read that probably makes sense to someone who doesnt play with you often
2) making it obvious and well known she is sr'ing you to the point of considering thunderdoming with you at various points
3) acknowledges that the read was stubborn but shared it anyway
4) includes other reads like on neon that she establishes are separate from you
5) sees a post that reminds her of the town sean she has seen and then changes her read
so unless the post(s) she tr'd you for are ones you don't believe she should tr you for, then where is your biggest issue? I read the tone as really genuine because she chose to make the arguments against you relentlessly while also realizing it didn't really put her in a good light. and even put a pretty big spotlight on you two. what good does it bring a wolf who was in a comfortable position to want to thunderdome in that scenario? I don't think (and i absolutely could be wrong here, i;ve only played with wwa like no more than t wice) that wwa would make a big gambit like that - for reasons I can't even begin to comprehend either
My main complaint about WWA is that the things they've focus on re:me are things that don't make sense for people who know me, and I've pushed them to consider this/explore this and they haven't.
Their thunderdone thing was weird.
So you have absolutely no comment about my vote moving off you and immediately onto Mac? LolSeanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 2:04 amBecause Mac deserves more scrutiny than they're currently getting. I was quite demotivated after the whole Mac/Nutella exchange though, tbh.Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:57 amany sr's? I see youre on mac rn, is it something you actually believe in? why are you voting mac?Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 1:43 amYeah, no. I stared at the players list and had trouble.
I am seriously worried about the gamestate. I am not completely sure about how to resolve this, but it is a thing.
I thought her earlier posts were wolfy and her posts today were better than yesterday's
OK fair lolMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:24 amyeah but like I'm waiting for neon to explode in a ball of townfire and need it before I'm gonna give them a full clearWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:06 amI thought her earlier posts were wolfy and her posts today were better than yesterday's
Sorry you don't like the pressure on you, this game isn't supposed to be toxicS~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:13 amAt the time you made this post, I was in bed. I get up at 5 AM.
At this point this thread is toxic for me, and my opinions are all OMGUSed up. I can't differentiate my own opinions from my feelings on how suspicion was brought to bear on me last night, so I'm doing town a favor by not being here, tbh. I might make another vote that sucks, and we can't have that.
I couldn't care less about the votes on me, but I really dislike the votes on you. @pyxxy , @DrWilgy , you should really reconsider.
So yesterday, you were sure I was pocketing you. NOW you're talking about what happens if I flip civ.WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 4:41 am Pyxxy and svs votes on nutella both suck
Like, first off, nutella is town
Second, the timing of both votes was terrible
But idk if they're partnered because pushing on nutella when the thread has moved away from flipping nutella today seems kinda counterproductive so I'm thinking only one of them is a wolf for it
Would still yeet svs first and then pyxxy if svs flips town
Idk why I'm saying anything at all since yesterday I didn't want to share reads but today I'm just throwing things everywhere
So which is it? You still think I was pocketing you, or you think I was trying to be friendly with someone who seemed astute, friendly and involved to me?
Have a great day everyone!
Ngl i think one or both of them are just townreading each other out of sympathy for both getting jumped on at the same timeMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:21 am still waiting for you to tell me what Kate had done to make herself stand out that was towny
This read still holds mostly trueWindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 6:33 pmProbably because it sounds like I'm trying to pocket you
Even I think it sounds like I'm trying to pocket you lol
I think wolves are in pyxxy/svs/Mac/Wilgy/Kate at the moment, maybe you'll find you disagree with one of them and I never talked about what I thought of Wilgy
@Neon do you still currently think pyxxy is a wolf? And on what basis?Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:35 pmSure but I don't believe any of those things except that Pyxxy is a wolf lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:32 pmyou have many ways... going belly up is not among them.Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 10, 2023 3:30 pm*shrugs*
I'm lost and a distraction to town so killing me is the best choice here because I have no world view and no way of convincing town not to kill me here.
perhaps you could attack pyxxy some more. or accuse Dennis of being mafia by crystallising info.
or perhaps you could persuade nutella that I'm being opportunistic by pushing you...
or maybe Seanzie was the friends we made along the way.
I think Dennis just copied the role Kate used to find me in that one game and applied it to this game. I think Dennis is town though just...super noob town.
I don't know what to think about you frankly.
Sean is being Sean they are town
Ugh the D1 voters on Rondo were svs, Dennis, Seanzie and nutella
Actually I'm just gonna finish VCA really quickly here and speedrun itWindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:54 amUgh the D1 voters on Rondo were svs, Dennis, Seanzie and nutella
I know nutella voted for self-pres, I went for Seanzie at day start and reversed my read so now I think he's town, I think Dennis did an overexcited town play, and SVS is already in my PoE.
But the thing is, the Rondo wagon can still be pure if there wasn't a wolf up for lunch yesterday. The other wagons couldve been town and in that case, wolves either wouldn't care where they placed their votes (or maybe even tried to stay off the leading wagon), or they wouldn't have voted at all.
Still mulling this over but lunch break is almost done so gtg.
