The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:40 pm SLOONEI
DRAGON D. LUFFY
COLONIALBOB

Good
Good
Supatown

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:42 pm MOVINGPICTURES07/JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LONG CON
MESK514

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Bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

Uhhhhh good
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Bad

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:47 pm ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

Good
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Bad
Good

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:52 pm Gun to head reads.

How cute.

Can I change Epi from 'town' to 'disdainful'

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:06 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:15 pm I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.
I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.
This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.

You're saying mafia was a blank space? Maybe. But I'd like some names.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:00 pm At this stage i'll need to be convinced that colonialbob is town in order for me not to vote for him. Anyone got an argument?
There are too many suspicious players for Bob to be bad. Also, even when I disagree with him, I can kinda see where he's coming from.

Why the change?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:05 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:06 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:15 pm I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.
I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.
This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.
You're saying mafia was a blank space? Maybe. But I'd like some names.

Oh come on this was gold

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:00 am ~ I'm surprised by the even split on Colonel Bob. Through the long night phase he seemed to attract and hold negative press without receiving much support if any. This was one of the more conflicted reads for me, and I may not be alone in that given the lack of consensus.

Me too. I want to go back and cross check all the people who said "wow that's a good case Sloonei has" with how they read me.

(PS it's colonial, I'm not in the army or anything

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:49 am Obviously, I'm looking to bus my buddies Speedchuck and Dunya so let's get on with that.

Is joke you guys! I'm willing to bet if Jack is bad one (and probably only one) of Speedchuck/Dunya is also bad.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:58 am I don't fully understand the 5 bads on Jack? Wasn't jack confirmed good?

What no why would you say that

(To be more specific the consensus I saw after Day 2 was much more that Sloonei was mechanically likely town, not Jack.)

vote jack
because that's where my heads at. Kinda feeling a speed/jack pair.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:06 pm One thought I've just had: Jack is uber fucking annoying in this game. He keeps talking about me. All the time. Over and over. Flip-flopping, listing reasons why he thinks I'm bad yet not being sure of them, etc.

He is so obssessed with me it's making me read him as a civ. Because I think a baddie would have either succesfully lynched me or stopped caring. He keeps caring. He cares so hard I think he is legit.

Jack's done the same thing on me. I read this as much more scummy than townie.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:17 pm Jack ignores my posts, puts a vote on me after I voted him and disappears.

Come on Jack, if you're town, you can do better than that.

Him ignoring/not responding to stuff is definitely a scumtell.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:36 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:06 pm One thought I've just had: Jack is uber fucking annoying in this game. He keeps talking about me. All the time. Over and over. Flip-flopping, listing reasons why he thinks I'm bad yet not being sure of them, etc.

He is so obssessed with me it's making me read him as a civ. Because I think a baddie would have either succesfully lynched me or stopped caring. He keeps caring. He cares so hard I think he is legit.
Jack's done the same thing on me. I read this as much more scummy than townie.
Explain? You think he's forcing it?

I think he's flip flopping to be able to push on somebody who seems slightly bad but not be the one going after them. Look at his reads on me from d2 until today. Iirc he has me as a lean town, then Sloonei makes his case and he's all "yeah that's a good case," and I'm back to the bottom, then a few different people show up and say they see me as town and he bumps me back to the middle. He seems like he's following consensus instead of trying to create it. That's not the civ Jack I know.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:38 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:31 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:17 pm Jack ignores my posts, puts a vote on me after I voted him and disappears.

Come on Jack, if you're town, you can do better than that.
Him ignoring/not responding to stuff is definitely a scumtell.
has he done that in the past? Can you quote a game off the top of your head?

I'm trying to remember if it was crossover or pirates (i think crossover) where he kept ignoring / sidestepping my questions. Let me look real quick.

[mention]dunya[/mention] it was in fact crossover, where Jack was mafia.

Spoiler: show

BTW I don't agree with the "using the word mislynch is a scumtell" argument, it sounds a lot like the bad argument on Daisy d1, but I have plenty of other reasons to suspect Jack so.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:47 pm @colonialbob

While I ISO is both in ME to try to determine if ignoring people is an actually scumtell for me (I tend to think not but it's important to know yourself), let's go over another scumtell of mine that you observed in that game that I had forgotten about.

Granted, this tends to happen later in the game and occasionally happens when I am good but let's discuss anyway.

Do you think I am conducting?

Certainly not to the same degree as ME, which was obviously a unique situation in which you were basically the only player who knew both groups fairly well. So no, i wouldn't say you've been conducting. But I'd also say in a game with Epi, LC, and Sloonei (plus JJJ once he replaced in), you're probably not going to try that as scum (or your town version of it).

And it's not ignoring people per se, it's ignoring the inconvenient questions while responding to everything else. Which isn't a unique tell to you, it's more of a general tell.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 3:58 pm Lol

MEBob wrote:Jack's wall o' meta is fairly typical, but I read him as slightly scummy. Feel like he's trying to steer too much in a game where there are plenty of other good players.

MEBob wrote:Jack feels like he's steering people's perception of unfamiliar players. By inserting himself as knowledgeable about all the players, he gets to spin their actions. It's not necessarily scummy, but it's absolutely something I'd expect him to do as scum.

MEBob wrote:Voting Jack for aforementioned reasons, plus he's responded to lots of other folks but not my posts about him. Avoiding the subject?

MEJack wrote:Yes, I'm avoiding the subject. You sound like paranoid version Silver/Nifty/Skullbro/Grinner. Everything Jack does is an evil plan. Not worth discussing.
I reject this as a tell.

@colonialbob

What about cozying?

Show me your heart.

Reject all you like, I still caught you bruv.

What about cozying?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:49 pm (so actually no one is on mountain time)
Dang, you caught me in a lie,

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:08 am Marmot any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?
In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).

[mention]Sloonei[/mention]

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:35 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:30 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:49 pm (so actually no one is on mountain time)
Dang, you caught me in a lie,

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:08 am Marmot any chance you can tell us how ties are handled?
In the event of a tie on Day 1, no one is lynched.

In the event of a tie on any other day, one of the tied players will randomly be chosen and cast into the abyss (lynched).
Sloonei
Yes?

I wasn't sure if your "no one was lynched" comment referred to a tie leading to nobody being lynched (per the D1 rules) or just that nobody ended up dying from the lynch (i.e. you were just stating the obvious). So I wanted to repost this in case you or others (dunya for example) hadn't seen it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:38 pm @colonialbob

I don't think so.

Thought you thought me cozying was a scum tell. How's that working out?

Did so, I said you were mafia and you were mafia. (Talkin crossover here).

When did I say that?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 2:09 amUgh. This night. Now to go see why I was almost lynched.
Jack made this post in the time between the poll closing and Marmot's host post. The poll was tied between the two of us.
Sutter Buttes has the ability to decrease a player's vote total by 1 on a given day. I believe this notion was entertained as a possible scum slip by some in the immediate aftermath of the day. I don't think it would be too outrageous to consider. I'd like to ask Jack why he thought he was "almost lynched" instead of just plain lynched in that moment.
See, this is exactly what I'm talking about regarding beating around the bush to "not claim." I can say it was power related or I can give a reason and thus deny it was power related (whichever is true). Either option is a partial claim.
Alright, see this? This is why I will never run a "Mod says no-claim" setup. It's too blurry a line.

I prefer when open role-madness setups have MECHANICS to handle players claiming fast and loose. An example being the hunt games I've played on a different site. In those games, the scum could forgo their nightkill to CHAINKILL townies until they stopped guessing claims correctly.

"I chainkill Jack as Everest
I chainkill Sloonei as K2
etc."

The kills would run through in order and if and when the first wrong one came along, the game would reveal that "Sloonei had mafia try to chainkill him as K2, but it failed." That townfirm plus having to turn in their normal kill keeps scum from taking chances. It's a marvelous system, and leads to REALLY EXCITING phases, and a lot less rolespec. I can link an example for you guys later.

Rant over. Best mechanic ever. As @sprityo will attest.

That. Sounds. Amaaaazing!

Spoiler: show

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:06 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 5:38 pm @colonialbob

I don't think so.

Thought you thought me cozying was a scum tell. How's that working out?
Did so, I said you were mafia and you were mafia. (Talkin crossover here).

When did I say that?
Scumreading and caught are different things.

During ME.

Sure, fine, you win.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:50 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:44 pm Oh my word, in this back and forth with Kyle I am feeling like Jack's tone is very sincere... this is why this extended Day 1 situation is bad for me, the more stuff thrown at me the more indecisive I feel... I'll re-evaluate when I get home later tonight. I may change my vote.
I like Kyle less and Jack more in reading this argument.

Wow this game exploded tonight, gotta catch up.

Sorry to be that guy but yeah totally this. Kyle's push on Jack is weird. Like why is it so important for Jack to answer that question if it's a purely mechanical question?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:14 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:10 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:05 pm I'm done listening to Jack and Dunya. You two hit the showers. I want people talking about other people.
Who do you want to talk about?
I don't want to talk about anyone. I want people talking about other people:

"Jack and Dunya are dead. Who gets your vote and why?"

How did they flip?

Speedchuck or Kyle.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:48 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:50 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:44 pm Oh my word, in this back and forth with Kyle I am feeling like Jack's tone is very sincere... this is why this extended Day 1 situation is bad for me, the more stuff thrown at me the more indecisive I feel... I'll re-evaluate when I get home later tonight. I may change my vote.
I like Kyle less and Jack more in reading this argument.
Wow this game exploded tonight, gotta catch up.

Sorry to be that guy but yeah totally this. Kyle's push on Jack is weird. Like why is it so important for Jack to answer that question if it's a purely mechanical question?
I've already explained this, but I wasn't pushing on Jack to roleclaim, I was pushing on Jack cus he appeared to be refusing to discuss the events of day 2 with me on any level even hypothetical

But why was it so important that Jack answer those questions vs anybody else?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:54 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:51 pm But why was it so important that Jack answer those questions vs anybody else?
Why would anyone other than Jack know if Jack was lying?

How can Jack lie about a hypothetical?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:59 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:55 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:54 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:51 pm But why was it so important that Jack answer those questions vs anybody else?
Why would anyone other than Jack know if Jack was lying?
How can Jack lie about a hypothetical?
what

the theory I was asking jack about was that Jack used Sloonei's "this is a wasted lynch" to his advantage by also making a hint that he'd survive, but later.

lie hypothetically isn't the same as hypothetically lie

what

that was not how I understood your line of questioning *at all*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:03 pm I'm not interested in what Kylemii did in this game or that or what he usually does here or there. What is he doing here, independently of those other places, that makes you think good or ill of him? That question goes for anyone with an opinion.

General impression: he's floating without engaging much, throwing out content without taking strong stances
Recently, his push on Jack is weird and I don't like it. But I also didn't like him earlier for saying Jack was confirmed town. Distancing maneuver? Need to chew on that a bit.

Sidenote - I'm starting to struggle because I don't have anything firm to anchor my reads to. A lot of my style is based on votes and vote trains, and those aren't very helpful so far. Especially with no flips.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:42 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:36 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 2:06 pm One thought I've just had: Jack is uber fucking annoying in this game. He keeps talking about me. All the time. Over and over. Flip-flopping, listing reasons why he thinks I'm bad yet not being sure of them, etc.

He is so obssessed with me it's making me read him as a civ. Because I think a baddie would have either succesfully lynched me or stopped caring. He keeps caring. He cares so hard I think he is legit.
Jack's done the same thing on me. I read this as much more scummy than townie.
Explain? You think he's forcing it?
I think he's flip flopping to be able to push on somebody who seems slightly bad but not be the one going after them. Look at his reads on me from d2 until today. Iirc he has me as a lean town, then Sloonei makes his case and he's all "yeah that's a good case," and I'm back to the bottom, then a few different people show up and say they see me as town and he bumps me back to the middle. He seems like he's following consensus instead of trying to create it. That's not the civ Jack I know.

This is the best quick explanation of why my vote is on him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:55 pm Well I liked this game.

Idk if it made me do better reads but it forced me to make a firm decision on several players. Felt the need to elaborate on Bob (poe/gut/no obvious pairing) and Eloh (feels real in spite of everything) in the moment but choose not to.
I'm following the progression of Jack's read on the Colonel, as the latter alluded to. He did move quickly from a bottom-tier mafia read to a GTH good read in quick succession. One question emerges here for colonialbob:

In a world where Jack is mafia and you are a civilian, what is the mafia benefit Jack enjoys by reversing his perspective of you in the wake of the negative press you received in the night phase? In this scenario you ought to look like a juicy mislynch steak.

His read was wishy-washy all game, constantly qualified with "I can't read bob". Swapping to a good read (but a questionable one) puts him in a position to be convinced I'm bad while also not leading the lynch on me. Remember his GTH reads followed a bit behind others... perhaps enough time to see several people viewing me as town?

Also helps if he and speed are w/w, let one keep pushing on me while one holds back.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:19 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:07 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:55 pm Well I liked this game.

Idk if it made me do better reads but it forced me to make a firm decision on several players. Felt the need to elaborate on Bob (poe/gut/no obvious pairing) and Eloh (feels real in spite of everything) in the moment but choose not to.
I'm following the progression of Jack's read on the Colonel, as the latter alluded to. He did move quickly from a bottom-tier mafia read to a GTH good read in quick succession. One question emerges here for colonialbob:

In a world where Jack is mafia and you are a civilian, what is the mafia benefit Jack enjoys by reversing his perspective of you in the wake of the negative press you received in the night phase? In this scenario you ought to look like a juicy mislynch steak.
His read was wishy-washy all game, constantly qualified with "I can't read bob". Swapping to a good read (but a questionable one) puts him in a position to be convinced I'm bad while also not leading the lynch on me. Remember his GTH reads followed a bit behind others... perhaps enough time to see several people viewing me as town?

Also helps if he and speed are w/w, let one keep pushing on me while one holds back.
You think I've been pushing on you?

I think you've consistently read me as bad while he's gone back and forth. Assuming you're teammates trying to get me lynched, having one who can push on me and one who can be 'convinced' isn't a bad idea if the day lends itself to that direction. Turns out today hasn't really.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:45 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:23 am As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle
I'm so glad you and Kyle are voicing mild objection to the Dom lynch. I always want to point out "but we learn nothing from an inactive lynch" but fear I'll look bad if they flip bad. If a scummer fools me into thinking they are good, I can explain that. If I mislynch a fellow townie, I can explain that. If I "defend" a baddie but they never said anything? There's no excuse. But I feel the need to weigh in on game theory and strategy, feel the need to say a Dom flip teach us nothing even as I vote Dom and home Dom gets lynched. Maddening.

Additionally, I'm glad for a really productive several days with lots of antialignments. This is a strong example I can point Realmsers to of all that can be done on "Day 1." The more reads and antialignments turn out to be correct, the better.

What's your ideal (realistic or at least semi-realistic) EoD scenario here then?

I feel like I went to bed with a light dusting of snow on the ground and woke up to a four foot blizzard.

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 3:20 am Effective immediately, malakim2099 has replaced Dom.
That's right, I'm back! Hi peeps.

Wow, I forgot how much you guys post. Give me some time to catch up. Work is a little crazy today.

This post is obviously scummy, Mal is mafia.

(sydicate people, it's a running gag, just my way of welcoming him to the thread)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:56 pm Sake for me Bob and Mal

Thanks but I generally prefer gin.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:36 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?
I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.
Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.
That's the point. -1 is less than 0.
can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?
Why if you hated voting for her and seemed to see some towniness in Mesk, did you vote for her? I mean, I get the general feel of why but why her over Dom in your case? Please and thank you.
my vote for mesk was purely a means to prevent vote shenanigans. I don't like ties and I didn't want any unforeseen last second changes to the lynch result. All the votes were piling on Mesk so I padded her lead. It was not a lynch that I wanted, but at this stage in the game I wanted a clean lynch more than anything. It probably wasn't the best strategic move.

I'm still behind on the thread and not getting caught up at the moment. I'll have a lot of free time later this evening and hopefully then I can start making confident reads.

No, I feel you. I think having a clear lynch is important after so many non deaths, especially with vote manipulation and things floating around. When I went to bed the votes were 6-3 Dom to Jack, and I considered switching but felt 6-3 was good enough and wanted to allow for more switching just in case. Bit of an understatement apparently.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:18 pm why do some people spell it lasagna and some people lasagne?

An e looks like an upside down a, Australia is upside down, you can figure out the rest

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:50 am A moment of silence.

Also I legitimately laughed out loud this morning at this. Almost forgot.

Ok, back to game-related posts.

Seeing some very potential JJJ/quin links page 65. Also, did tripJ ever explain his late swap from Eloh back to Mesk?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:10 am I don't think J is bad with Dunya or Quin.

Bad Jimmy and bad Quin don't team up to save bad Dom. That's really dangerous for little return, given Dom has been inactive.

I still think Wuin is good.

Disagree. The first death being a mafia death is very bad thing for mafia. Bad Quin has cover from pushing after lasagne from the beginning, plus it's easier to justify votes swapping around in a CFD type EOD. I mean heck Sloonei voted with JJJ and I'm almost positive they're not w/w. I think JJJ/Quin/Dom w/w/w is still very much on the table.

(Plus little return isn't necessarily true. He could be Sutter Buttes, or Gwendol Wreakin's kill might be special in some way. And if his teammates can submit an action for him, doubly so.)

Kylemii

I didn't like his push on Jack, I don't feel like he's solving, and I don't want to tunnel in on JJJ this early in the phase.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.

There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.

I'd really prefer you to give us reasons you're town, rather than "I'm not bad you'll regret voting for me because it's what the mafia wants"

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:04 pm I'm also bothered by the lack of votes in this day.

If Jay is bad, it would make sense for there to be some counter-wagon by now (maybe Wilgy is the counter wagon?). And I don't like how everyone who is voting for Jay is someone I'm currently townreading (well there is Jack, but I like current Jack more than Day 1 Jack so i'm still on the fence about him). Maybe mafia is just watching from afar, since the civs are doing their dirty work for them. So they don't need to expose themselves, by making bussing too obvious or risking discussion going against them.

Still catching up but had to comment on this. Jay seems a pretty obvious target for today - if he is bad he seems a better candidate for bussing than saving, especially considering his availability.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 5:16 pm I said I was going to put reads in this thread and I will. I do not have time to be Jerry Seinfeld and I don't give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld. I frankly don't see how there could be any impression that I give a shit about trying to be Jerry Seinfeld or any other generic super-civilian cookie cutter rendition of myself given the posts I have made in this game. This variety of meta read is bogus, as though JJJ suddenly forgets how to make a million posts when he draws a mafia role.

There's a reason I am only here during brief windows right now. That won't change for the foreseeable future in this or ensuing games. I implore the civilians in this thread to engage a broad dialogue whether I am your locked vote or not. Nothing is friendlier to the mafia team right now than a continuing focus on me, especially when I am in no position to engage the discussion.
Can you elaborate a little bit on your lack of activity? Now, I know you are participating, don't get me wrong. You just aren't participating like normal Jay, civ or baddie imo. I have been in games with you where you were civ and bad and I would say you carry the thread in either situation. So, I don't see this quiet Jay (quiet for you) as necessarily a bad jay. But it is disconcerning. So, I'm curious. Have you taken on more in your RL schedule? I ask because I hate to lynch a civ Jay because of RL business.

:/

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:56 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:55 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:49 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:45 pm malakim2099 would you please do me a solid and describe your past mafia experience, to whatever extent you're comfortable with?
I suggest you take a look at the street fighter game: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... alakim2099
He was scum here.
Your link is broken. You accidentally mentioned yourself while typing it.

Also the forum is trying to force me to mention you too. It has had this kind of bug for weeks now. Spacedaisy
When ever you try to quote a post that has an @mention in it, you have to delete the @mention to avoid that problem. Otherwise it sees the original @mention and gets confused.

Why is this not in red

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:46 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 10:34 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:04 pm I'm also bothered by the lack of votes in this day.

If Jay is bad, it would make sense for there to be some counter-wagon by now (maybe Wilgy is the counter wagon?). And I don't like how everyone who is voting for Jay is someone I'm currently townreading (well there is Jack, but I like current Jack more than Day 1 Jack so i'm still on the fence about him). Maybe mafia is just watching from afar, since the civs are doing their dirty work for them. So they don't need to expose themselves, by making bussing too obvious or risking discussion going against them.
Still catching up but had to comment on this. Jay seems a pretty obvious target for today - if he is bad he seems a better candidate for bussing than saving, especially considering his availability.
What was the purpose behind making this post?

To express disagreement with DDL as well as point out a soft defense of JJJ.

Why are you asking about this post?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 8:48 pm If bob is a mafioso and Sloonei is a civilian, he was met with a challenging scenario after the Day 2 no lynch. Sloonei's general credit in the thread improved in that period, and then he made a big ISO for Bob himself. In this scenario, mafia Bob saw his attempted lynch target gain a strong foothold and then turn the sword against him in quick succession. I draw this image to facilitate a perspective of the post above wherein Bob assesses Sloonei's case against him -- that it started from a point of bias and wasn't alignment indicative. It strikes me as a necessary condition that for Sloonei to be susceptible to this bias, he must first be a civilian. A mafia Sloonei operates with a deliberate slant, not an pre-biased mindset. I don't care for this response. I described the challenge a mafia Bob would have faced handling Sloonei's ISO, and this response does bear an appearance of "I don't know what to do about this."
This point reignited my bob suspicion a little bit.

Ask Jack about Nightblue and why I'm skittish about going into ISOs with preconceived notions. (Tl;dr I recently got mislynched because of it and I'm still a little salty about it)

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