The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:36 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:33 am I rest my case on Sig not paying attention to me to know targeting me would be a bad idea.
Seems like weak reasoning why could the other players not have?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:43 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:14 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:10 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:08 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:02 am So I just happened to notice that sig did not vote the last 2 lynch polls. Not even when he was being accused and at risk for being lynched himself.
Maybe he’s the Darkness.

Anybody who voted Nova want to explain to me why he was a better choice than Sig?
I voted for Nova as opposed to sig becasue I don't know that the case on sig is enough for me to vote to end his game. I thought the idea that Malingus or Darkness was an inactive had credit, AND even if we were wrong, he was an inactive and not engaged, so it was less of a loss for the town or for him.

If I had not moved my vote to Nova, I likely would have kept it on INH because I don't believe he was trying to get lynched.

If sig magically disappeared, Jack, who would you vote for and who else do you think is bad?
Do you believe Tranq was trying to get lynched?
i don't know. His story was more believable, although I gotta say I hated that "And INH is my civviest read" remark he made. The way INH behaved, if you remove any one elses behavior, totally based on his own posts, I think INHs story about wanting to be lynched is a lie. Very much so.

crazypills.mp4

This is the same thing DDL said and I continue to have no idea how either of you reach this conclusion. INH "slipped" and then shitposted, Tranq said he found the mirror of truth and then actually kept pretending it was real. He's also actually been giving reads and stuff while INH basically hasn't done contributed as far as I remember.

I can definitely see INH playing a game of "lynch me please" as mafia, but Tranq just seems like mafia who messed up. Also he said he believes INH and thinks they have the same role, so if you believe Tranq shouldn't you also believe INH??

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:05 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:04 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:43 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:14 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:10 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:08 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:02 am So I just happened to notice that sig did not vote the last 2 lynch polls. Not even when he was being accused and at risk for being lynched himself.
Maybe he’s the Darkness.

Anybody who voted Nova want to explain to me why he was a better choice than Sig?
I voted for Nova as opposed to sig becasue I don't know that the case on sig is enough for me to vote to end his game. I thought the idea that Malingus or Darkness was an inactive had credit, AND even if we were wrong, he was an inactive and not engaged, so it was less of a loss for the town or for him.

If I had not moved my vote to Nova, I likely would have kept it on INH because I don't believe he was trying to get lynched.

If sig magically disappeared, Jack, who would you vote for and who else do you think is bad?
Do you believe Tranq was trying to get lynched?
i don't know. His story was more believable, although I gotta say I hated that "And INH is my civviest read" remark he made. The way INH behaved, if you remove any one elses behavior, totally based on his own posts, I think INHs story about wanting to be lynched is a lie. Very much so.
crazypills.mp4

This is the same thing DDL said and I continue to have no idea how either of you reach this conclusion. INH "slipped" and then shitposted, Tranq said he found the mirror of truth and then actually kept pretending it was real. He's also actually been giving reads and stuff while INH basically hasn't done contributed as far as I remember.

I can definitely see INH playing a game of "lynch me please" as mafia, but Tranq just seems like mafia who messed up. Also he said he believes INH and thinks they have the same role, so if you believe Tranq shouldn't you also believe INH??

This is an LC /BR game, and both Tranq and INH can bring the madness. Tranq sounded more sincere to me. It would not surprise me if one of them (I would bank INH) sent the other the curse himself. I won't call anything anyone does "crazypills" becasue that's how baddies win, by being manipulative and audacious. And both Tranq and INH are more than capable of epic levels of audacious.

In this case, as I said, Tranq feels more sincere to me. I could be wrong. But I believe what I believe until I see something that makes me believe differently. I believe that INH was full of it when he said he had to be lynched. I have not seen anything that changed my mind from him.

But why

I get that you believe Tranq over INH but I need you to explain why and how you feel that way

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:56 pm Linki @ Bob, This is how I play Bob, sometimes I can't explain it becasue it's about the feels. With INH, he did not make his slip until late in the day, he tried to recover from it. He did not say anything about needing to be lynched until he had taken a number of early votes, and he stopped talking about it once he had less votes than others, go read the end of that day. You would think if he wanted to be lynched, he would try harder, but he tried less. He is more likely to have gotten lynched if he had not returned to the thread, tbh. The whole thing felt contrived.

Tranq felt more real to me, especially his reaction to me when I thought he was joking. Like I said, I would not be surprised if INH sent Tranq the curse.

INH's slip was at night tho

sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 19, 2018 11:47 am SVS, Sig is also pretty inactive. That’s my point. Sig has a case on him. Nova’s case also applies to Sig (and Sorsha and maybe Dana).

Btw, Sorsha and Dana’s avatars are great. @Dana is that your gato?
And what's that case? Ive yet to see it besides sig seems bad or map shit that everyone ignored about other players. In fact one of the players who has map shit against them from a dead player, is still being ignored.
You freaking replied to my case earlier today.
Which isnt a case it's a set of circumstances and a bar that's only being applied to me. So I'll ask if we're taking info from the map/roles seriously why is sab still alive.

Because the evidence against sab is super vague and questionable? The info against you is more like "hey these three players targeted the dead dude last night". It's not quite that strong, since it's just the you *could* have targeted them, but it's way harder evidence than "sabie with a jagged blade" or whatever was the actual quote.

(Obviously how much you trust the players giving the info plays into this as well but the evidence itself isn't really comparable)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:20 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:10 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:09 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:08 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:05 am What exactly is wrong with the cataclysm? It's fun and fanciful new stuff.
Have you looked at the map?
Yes. So?
Did you read LC's post? That doesn't seem negative to you?
Negative in what sense? That it's a negative thematic experience or that it makes it harder for us to win?

Because I don't think it's the latter.

So... you do have a win condition?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:21 am I don't think the Cataclysm is negative in any sense. This world was fucked before the Cataclysm. Now, it's going to be better.

Spoken like any good True Believer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:27 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:24 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:07 am Some squares have been destroyed completely, and some have been corrupted.

You cannot enter a destroyed square. Those who moved to destroyed squares have been randomly blown to one of the eight surrounding squares.

A corrupted square still functions, but whatever it did before, it will now do something, basically, more harmful. In the same theme as the original square; just in a bad way.

Still sending out PMs, and I haven't even given my flying peeps their movements yet. Please be patient, DH's party made things a little harder just this time. I'm working on it. Try to stay chill and not do anything drastic until I have let you know that all the PMs have been sent, etc.
That does not sound helpful. Not to mention all of the squares that are destroyed that could have been, I don't know, helpful. It hink it absolutely makes it more difficult to win.
I am pretty sure that the harm that these squares are gonna cause people will affect the bad guys as well as the good guys so ... nah.

LC isn't gonna just active some mid game experience that tilts the game in favour of the bad guys. That's preposterous.

A) lol
B) I'm less concerned about this helping the bad guys as it creating a whole new flavor of bad guys

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:33 am cant believe I got murdered right before the map became pretty

If it's any consolation, technically it sounds like your murder happened while the map became pretty?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:15 am
Enrique wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:12 am G-Man - civ (no targets)
Kyle - civ (no targets)
Luna - civ (no targets)
Quin - cat (no targets)
DDL - ?
I don't get it.

Spoiler: show
Is this what it's like to be CBob?

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] channeling my inner Grinner right now.

Also apparently the pirates I joined up with were antisocial because I was all alone last night, as far as the eye can see.

In the meantime, as much fun as it is to wake up randomly in the middle of the night, I should try to get back to sleep.

G-Man wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:37 am Killed like a chump? Bummer. This is probably all for the best for me. RL hasn’t slowed down at all, so this is one less thing to commit a limited supply of energy to.

Then again, I won’t turn down a rezz. Do it bitch!

Karaoke Karl says...

“And when you're gone, we want you all to know
We'll carry on, we'll carry on
And though you're dead and gone, believe me
Your memory will carry on
We'll carry on.”

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] iirc wasn't part of your list sprit vs sig?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:18 pm Like...are you east of DH?

Linki: All I'm saying is pool parties are more fun if the pool isn't on fire.

Pansy

So Jack sig before timmer because he has a night power we want to get rid of?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

PS love you DH but nobody should be listening to anything you say

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:00 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:57 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:56 pm Sig is the clear choice for me today. After that last lynch it's a must.
Is it tho
It is for me. Vote patterns are my boo. That lynch was an obvious save.

Who was doing the saving then

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:18 pm This is a very weird game

As somebody who played CC123 may I say: eh

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:27 pm And I'm voting speedchuck.

I don't know how he read enough to know that Kylemii is dead but not enough to know that G-Man is dead too.

It sounds to me like he knew Kylemii was dead without needing to read the write up.

Get well soon but also please die soon.

Big if true

(I like this reasoning but it's not enough to push me off of actual info)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:27 pm And I'm voting speedchuck.

I don't know how he read enough to know that Kylemii is dead but not enough to know that G-Man is dead too.

It sounds to me like he knew Kylemii was dead without needing to read the write up.

Get well soon but also please die soon.
Big if true

(I like this reasoning but it's not enough to push me off of actual info)
"Actual info"

It's Day 5 and a villain hasn't been lynched yet.

So info is only info after we use it?

My point is really "I'll follow mechanical info over reads (if I trust the mechanical info, and in this case I do)"

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:34 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:31 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:18 pm This is a very weird game
As somebody who played CC123 may I say: eh
CC123 like

Gman: THE....GAME

Everyone: Woooooooo

LC/CBob/Quin/Jack/Speed/Juliets: This game is fun.

Everyone else: Sleeping at the wheel.

INH: Let's stop the primes.

LC/CBob/Quin/Jack/Speed/Juliets: Lol no.

Sloonei: What does this button do?

Jack: It ruins everything.

Kyle: Imma replace in and just win. Yay!

Least, that's how I remember it.

juliets/quin/CBob: BTSC team for life besties forever

Later:

[mention]juliets[/mention]: hey Colin remember when we were playing CC123 together with quin wasn't that the best

CBob:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:13 pm quick poll: if eggnog is good, can we decorate cookies before we exchange presents? y/n?
Irrelevant. Eggnog is gross.

Just when I think you couldn't possibly be any dumber...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:16 pmRecommend Shiner Holiday Cheer

... you go and say something like this and totally redeem yourself

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:21 am To be clear, I have no problem with a Sig vote, as evidence has been brought to the thread. And just voted there. But DH is not making this game any easier.

How to Not Let Eschatological Statuary Fuck Your Shit Up: Your Guide to a World Gone Mad
By colonialbob

Step 1: don't listen to anything DH says

That's it. That's all the steps.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:35 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:35 am The thing that puts me at sea is that every day except day one, we have had supposedly concrete alleged information based suspicions, and other than this sig suspish, which seems least concrete to me, we drop them after a day, and have lynched no one but civs, and think this is A OK.

I honestly don't understand why the town is behaving this way unless there is some overt manipulation going on here, and people are trusting the wrong people.
What's more concrete than the sig evidence?

EBWOP

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:35 am The thing that puts me at sea is that every day except day one, we have had supposedly concrete alleged information based suspicions, and other than this sig suspish, which seems least concrete to me, we drop them after a day, and have lynched no one but civs, and think this is A OK.

I honestly don't understand why the town is behaving this way unless there is some overt manipulation going on here, and people are trusting the wrong people.

What's more concrete than the sig evidence?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:00 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Good luck with that.
This doesn't feel like a civ response to Sloonei's vote. I think a civ would be more like "why?"

Counterpoint: do it bitch

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:54 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:48 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:48 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:00 pm [VOTE: SVS] aubergine
Good luck with that.
This doesn't feel like a civ response to Sloonei's vote. I think a civ would be more like "why?"
Counterpoint: do it bitch
Because of one post? Eh... I'll pass.

No I think you misunderstood. Do it bitch didn't feel like a civ response, but it was.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:31 am @colonialbob don't vote for yourself.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:19 pm Well look we can do this systematically, we have a nice pool to choose from so we don’t need to deliberate, (or whatever the word is to describe the congressmen who speak for 5 hours at a time,) about new suspects until we can clear out the queue of people we have

So that POE pool (from my perspective) looks like:

Sabie
Tranq
Sig
Timmer
Jack
DDL
INH

Al these guys I’ve seen have suspicions on, but if like that got cleared up and I missed it I guess say something

This doesn't sound like a PoE pool but more just a list of suspects

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:32 pm Whatever it is

I’m not smart k

To be clear I'm not criticizing just clarifying. Its a pretty good list. Jack would be pretty low on it for me but I get the suspish.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:49 pm I prefer Blue Ray tbqh

Betamax or bust

Are sig and DDL both 1/2 in their PoEs?

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:11 pm Colin
DDL
Epi
SVS
sabie
timmer

@colonialbob @Dana @LoRab @Epignosis @sabie12 GTH, three of them are bad. Which ones?

DDL
SVS
Sabie

(out of pocket til EoD just popped in because I was tagged btw)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:23 pm I have vocally suspected sig all game but I have no idea why he’s the top priority today. I would like to see town act on some of the information that has been dumped. I do not know if this lynch does that or not.

I’ve been so out of it that I don’t even know what the cataclysm was.

Lynching sig was acting on info that was dumped

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:52 pm SVS, Colonialbob, Colin and Enrique. I would invite you to get on my level and help me solve this game properly because you're the only four players I actually trust here. I feel like the game is being controlled by dark forces. I don't trust Jack in the slighest, nor do I trust DharmaHelper and I would implore you to work together and ignore the ramblings of the lunatic fringe controlling this game.

Why don't you trust Jack?

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:03 pm Wow i'm realllllly close to getting axed. SO I'm the ninja, yup Mac was right so was whichever mafia team tried to kill me the other night. I didn't wanna claim claim since it would paint a target on my back plus it makes my role so much less useful, but to bad. So how bout you don't lynch me and instead lynch DDL? Who I know for a fact isn't a civ.

My dude, if you claimed back when people first asked we don't waste a lynch on you. If mafia kills you tonight that's still way better for town than lynching you yesterday. And your power is even less useful when you're dead.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:23 pm You guys are amateurs. Nothing CONFIRMS anybody. No flips. No "info." Nothing. This is LC and BR, the King and Queen of FUCK WITH YOU.

Have fun.

Fucking nihilists, man

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:31 pm Delete those who are online but didny switch ie bob loran ect

Yeah this is a terrible point because I literally didn't look at this thread after my out of pocket post. I was out doing things on Friday night, quelle horreur.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:19 am All aboard the DDL train?

Obvs

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:20 am going to The Bad Place

going to? we've been there the whole time

pikachugasp.jpg

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:36 am tfw you know all the spots quin is supposed to go but he keeps fucking up

I legit lol'd

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:55 am Sig confirmed sabie and svs, as well as me. Just so we don’t forget, and to whatever extent we trust these confirmations.

As far as I'm concerned you three are confirmed. We need all the help to narrow down the post-ddl pool as we can get.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:08 am Putting aside the fact that Luffy is going down tomorrow come hell or highwater. It might be a good idea to review interactions with juliets and turnip head with this new POE list. Who's keen to help?

I should actually have time this weekend so sure

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 7:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:52 pm SVS, Colonialbob, Colin and Enrique. I would invite you to get on my level and help me solve this game properly because you're the only four players I actually trust here. I feel like the game is being controlled by dark forces. I don't trust Jack in the slighest, nor do I trust DharmaHelper and I would implore you to work together and ignore the ramblings of the lunatic fringe controlling this game.
OK, I'm there.

But Enrique and Bob would fail my GTH at this point. I have to go check the first crossover game that Bob played, he is acting exactly here as he did there (looking at me like I'm from outer space on my reads ) and I want to see if he was bad or not in that game. I don't trust Jack either. I see in another post you said you felt better about Colin than Bob. Me too. I have to go over your full list later, I have to get ready for work. Enrique seems to disagree with me on everything, and as he said, that is not what I expect from Enrique. And lets just say I am not an easy person to pin down at night, so I have been playing a pretty overtly civ game (if not as active as I could be) and I have been waiting for baddies to start with the little "SVS=bad" posts and they started last night. Sloonei and Jack. Enrique joined in, but he seemed more peripheral. Still not sure if bad, or just misguided.

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:48 am from this point onwards i declare myself wholly responsible for the future of the town. my performance will be the performance of the town. it is officially so.
After sigs lynch, my confidence in you as town leader, already not high, has diminished. I just hate that you are blaming him for his own lynch when he, and others, tried to fight it, becasue he refused to role claim. Weak. The only real caveat I have is that I don't see you being so implacable and relentless as a civ. I did not see much in the way of equivocation until:

Enrique wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:29 pm If sig is the ninja and he just straight up denied it when the whole thread wanted to lynch him, I don't usually say this about civs getting lynched but he 100% deserved it lol. For now we're getting rid of this probable baddie and moving on.
~~~

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:54 am Hypothetically, let's say I knew who has been hanging out with each other at night in BTSC ... would me posting that info be okay because infodumping, or not okay because map coordinate shenanigans?

Not that I am saying that, just curious.

@Long Con ?
After LoRabs death, if this be true, is your trust list the same? Rhetorical question, based on host answer to your question. I did not much trust LoRab, but I did not have an active distrust for her either.

I work today, but will be home this evening.

I was town yo

Sorry your whole INH/Tranq thing had me shook. In my defense, you know who else did that? DDL.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:47 am Ok caught up and I feel like I wasted my time since some dude lie detected me and now everyone is after my head.

I guess I can do nothing but assume Sig was recruited into the mafia and is a big fat liar.

Or you could tell us who y'all think the other mafia is

(Feel like you would've just claimed if you were Indy, shit everybody else has)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 10:07 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:55 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:23 pm I have vocally suspected sig all game but I have no idea why he’s the top priority today. I would like to see town act on some of the information that has been dumped. I do not know if this lynch does that or not.

I’ve been so out of it that I don’t even know what the cataclysm was.
Lynching sig was acting on info that was dumped
And not just any info!

colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:32 pm actual info

You're getting as bad as DH

Also [mention]S~V~S[/mention] why Enrique, I'm getting strong town comes from him.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:47 pm colonialbob I'm in a square near you put your left hand in put your left hand out put your left hand in and shake it all about do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around if you wanna talk

Big if true

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