The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 am TBQH Tranq seemed willfully ignorant with his poll question and then has been kinda blendy since then IDK.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:46 am With sloobie at 3 votes there's no reason for this level of freak out by him. It's very pingy.

Does anyone else see this

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:54 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am People: "wilgy is a bad vote for people scared to be held responsible"

Also people: "nah let's not vote for anybody on his wagon"

i dunno. there are very few scum in this game I believe would take that bait. it's the level 1 scum play.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:57 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:56 am Voting Dr. Wilgy. Incase he's bad. Cause I don't thin Wolbre is.

Hate this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:58 am Bad wagon is bad. This is bad. One of the other two is Mafia and getting saved. Wilgy is always the mislynch.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:01 am

Dana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:59 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:57 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am @Kylemii i have 2 questions right now

1. Who are you voting for?
2. If I buy a switch and smash will you play with me im lonely

1. if i knew who i was voting for i would have voted already, but at this point it's probably going to be wolbre since i don't believe sloonei is bad
2. absolutely yes. i don't have anyone on my friends list at all yet so i can only play against strangers

Can I join the smash bros group

100% yes

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:53 am Lol why did Wolbre get lynched? I guess I can’t complain since I didn’t vote but I don’t think he had votes on him when I last checked in.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 am Ok so if I remember how to do all this correctly we all post memes and then spend the last 5 minutes frantically switching our poll votes as many times as possible

Is that correct?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?

That's certainly one way of interpreting my case

Explain like I’m really dumb

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:36 am The number of posts Sloonei is making doesn't make me think he's town. The content of them does.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:29 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?

That's certainly one way of interpreting my case

Explain like I’m really dumb

man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.

Okay, so I was right the first time, got it.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:20 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:15 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:29 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:58 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:04 am

Is it scummy ... to say that I like a post?

That's certainly one way of interpreting my case

Explain like I’m really dumb

man first post about other mans is "I agree with that man". Me no like. Me vote to see what man say. Me no give reason to see what other mans do.

Okay, so I was right the first time, got it.

Literally your first and only engagement with reading players was "I like Epi's post" and you didn't follow up or extend the reasoning or vote or anything. So, yeah.

Well, I did vote for DDL, so wrong on that count. And I don’t know what explanation is necessary: I liked it because it made sense and I agreed with it, which should have been self-evident by me saying I liked it. Or would it look better of me if I quoted a bunch of posts, summarized them, did some color analysis, crunched the numbers on the last 6 DDL games played when Mercury is in retrograde, and came to the same conclusion?

Because I’m not doing that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:18 pm Oddly enough, Mac's wackass tinfoil on me last night is the most civilian thing he's done all game.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:13 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:10 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:02 pm Tranq is okay in my book right now. There's a lack of solid content there, but it's very blunt. "Yeah I'm not looking at that right now." He's very comfy in his boots.

Hmm yeah I guess you're right as long as he's comfortable blending into the background and avoiding any suspicion and not helping the civ cause at all, Tranq's good to go.

Authenticity is everything.

Yeah Tranq seemed really authentic when he was like "wow golly gosh is everyone voting randomly for these meaningless poll options shucky darns"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:57 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:18 pm Oddly enough, Mac's wackass tinfoil on me last night is the most civilian thing he's done all game.

whatcha ing about?

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:55 am

Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:27 am Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for but this is really funny regardless and I'm not opposed to leaving my vote there.

Am I the only one who's concerned about this post? What does it mean that "Sloonei is probably not the main person we're looking for"? Are there "main" scum players that are supposed to be pursued over the others? If Sloonei is not the "main" target then who is? What does this post mean, Enrique?

It means you probably don't figure in my win conditions.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:20 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:54 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:52 am People: "wilgy is a bad vote for people scared to be held responsible"

Also people: "nah let's not vote for anybody on his wagon"

[VOTE: tranq] aubergine

still want juliets

This post is weird and I may be misunderstanding it. But is colonialbob saying people scared to be held responsible will vote off wagon? Then Sloonei quotes it, not only saying he's voting off wagon, but that he's not even voting for who he wants to vote for. If you're going to vote off wagon anyways, why not go for juliets?

cbob was suggesting that we should vote for a player who was voting for wilgy at the time because a number of people were complaining that his wagon was shady and weak. Tranq was on the wagon and was a person who'd garnered a fair amount of suspicion.

Why'd you kill nutella?

I would like to look at Wolbre's wagon. That's a good place to start.

Nutella died? I haven't seen the end of night post.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:59 am Here I will analyze TH's posts and specifically their interactions with other players:




1. Tranq Link Back and forth RE: poll options. Tranq gets up TH's ass about mentioning the possible civvieness of the poll option before voting. Pretty much IIRC the meatiest interaction Tranq has had yet. I'm gonna rate this sucker a Yellow.

2. Enrique Link Jokey "you bad?" post. Rating this one Yellow. as well since it looks like it could be distancing.

3. Epignosis Link Defends Sloonei from Epi by way of straw manning Luna. Rating this Green for Epi and Red for Sloonei and Yellow For Luna

4. G-Man Link G-Man emerges as a suspect to TH. Rating this Green for G.

5. Sloonei Link Waffley non-post about Sloonei that's also a defense without outright saying so. Red

6. Luna Link Says Luna looks "OK so far". Again not committing to much. Yellow for Luna.

7. Doc Link Defending the Doc's bullshit. Red for Doc.

8. Nutella Link "Good Catch" from nutella RE: Chuck/Sloonei. Buddying Nutella's suspicion of Chuck in order to (again) slyly defend Sloonei. Looks Green for nutella, Green for Chuck, Red For Sloonei.

9. Doc link Defends Doc by saying "more recently" he's been a civ when he's been inactive/low activity. Who gives a fuck? Red for Doc.

10. Sprityo Link Points out that sprityo is lurking and expresses a desire to lynch him. Green.

11. Doc Link Parrots my anger at Doc. Green for Doc.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:04 am If I had to pick a teammate out of those interactions I'd go Luna/Tranq/Enrique. The Sloonei interactions look like absolute dog shit but there's so much there it's more likely pocketing rather than actual teammate.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:56 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:00 am Oh wow DH and TH and Yin and Yang. My dreams have come true.

Mac did indeed make this post. I didn't notice the vote shift. Can you explain what you saw in more detail, Mr Dougall?

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:07 am Keeping up with this game is proving to be impossible. I remember now why I swore off playing games this large. I’m not even going to pretend that I will get caught up and ISO everyone before the Day 2 deadline. I will try but when there’s so much diarrhea of the mouth, my eyes glaze over and there will be much skimming.

For the record, I am posting such blunt comments and being honest with my intentions in order to stay just a hair above blendy. Taking me out will not help the civvie cause but it will help me get more work done in real life. Trade offs.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm So I didn’t read into TH being bad or really read at all, but could someone clear out the possibility for me that TH wasn’t forged into being the trickster upon death?

I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”

Linki: very well, I’ll keep that in mind sloon

The answer to your question is that it seems like it would be theoretically possible. If the trickster is bad and killed th and forged it to say th was the trickster and was bad, sure. But... why would they do that? It's interesting that you bring up such a specific question when you have barely participated.

The simplest answer is that a mafia person died. If we make that assumption, we can move forward with analyzing TH and sussing out someone to lynch today. If we get all suspicious that TH only flipped bad, and wasn't really bad, then we don't have a clear path forward for today's lynch. I'd rather assume the simplest scenario that TH was bad, and use that information to move forward.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:37 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:15 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:39 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm So I didn’t read into TH being bad or really read at all, but could someone clear out the possibility for me that TH wasn’t forged into being the trickster upon death?

I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”

Linki: very well, I’ll keep that in mind sloon

The answer to your question is that it seems like it would be theoretically possible. If the trickster is bad and killed th and forged it to say th was the trickster and was bad, sure. But... why would they do that? It's interesting that you bring up such a specific question when you have barely participated.

The simplest answer is that a mafia person died. If we make that assumption, we can move forward with analyzing TH and sussing out someone to lynch today. If we get all suspicious that TH only flipped bad, and wasn't really bad, then we don't have a clear path forward for today's lynch. I'd rather assume the simplest scenario that TH was bad, and use that information to move forward.

This is your best post so far

I'm both flattered and insulted.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:19 pm colonialbob

Are you asking me what to do with a bounty hunter/underpants gnome claim?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:39 pm Someone get into BTSC with Jack so he can try to manipulate people into following overcomplicated schemes and end up slipping.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:40 pm I would like to vote for one of the five people I ISO'd at the beginning of the day:

Luna
Kyle
DDL
Quin
G-man

ranked from least to most suspicious.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:34 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

How does knowing this information change the way civs should act, in your opinion?

it's not meant to change the way they act directly. i just said it's information to keep in mind. especially cause the statement to consider is laden with WIFOM

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:51 pm For the trickster normally the role doesn't work in a way that would let someone flip as the trickster if they were night killed. We could see a twist with the role here, but I doubt it. We need to also remember there are items in play that could've been used to kill TH as well annnnnd lots of secrets.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

I am still not convinced wilgy isnt bad. Unless he just really doesn't care about this game at all he didn't even put up any defense about being accused or voted for. And he still really hasn't been around. It also now seems like maybe TH was defending him.

I was just speculating if TH was the trickster could he have killed nutella and someone killed him. I dont know if that really impacts anything but it would be an interesting turn of events if it did happen that way.

Can someone condense the argument on g man so I can get a better idea of where that is coming from? I didnt really get much from trying to read him before.



I know I haven't posted much there is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:02 am Like in the last GoC the tinfoiling was so unreal I couldn't help but read her as civ, because there is no way a baddie would be able to fake that madness.

Here she hasn't done anything that can't be faked, so far. Though she hasn't felt much suspicious either.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:27 am And I am not throwing anything out per se. I am stati g where I stand on SVS right now, which is pretty close to the middle.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.

Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,

This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:25 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.

Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,

This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.

Colin, like I said, I'm extra dumb this afternoon. What do you mean by world building?

I believe Speed used the term in Hogwart but it’s basically when a civ comes in the thread to share an observation about the game that isn’t a read or a theory, for the sake of enhancing knowledge/getting the town on the same page. Speed also noted that people here are unusually hostile to it, and I agree with him because I get flak for it all the time.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.

What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.

Nobody has suggested that we ignore the rest of the game and spam lynches into these 5. Sloonei's just giving us more cards to play with.

Feel like you're twisting this into an accusion, almost.
And infodumping is awesome. #cpi4lyfe

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.

I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:33 am I just went and read some of the roles.

... Why are we assuming TH was actually the trickster?