The Syndicate

Jackofhearts and DrWilgy, let's do some Gun to Head reads!

I have to do more looking into:
dom
speedchuck
JJJ
DrWilgy
colonialbob
DDL

before end of day tomorrow hopefully.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:21 pm Power read of the day: in 4 hours, dunya has nearly quadrupled the post count of her player slot (in combination with sprityo). That's a good start. Even considering the capacity for a replacement to enter a game with pre-structured reads, that is not the kind of introductory pace I typically see from a replacement mafioso. The only counter-example I can recall is Quin in Mad Max.

don't be buddying up to me, alright?

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:10 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:26 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:25 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:24 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?
Can I answer?
I wanna hear from Jack :0
Then I won't answer.

What do you think about Quin?
I think Quin's throwing sticks early on which is generally a sign of good boy behavior.
I thought I was throwing sticks in Pirate Mafia too, but I was your biggest scum read. What's the difference?

the difference is he's rogue here, and doesn't want to cast any big suspect leads or draw any attention on himself all day 1. not a cool look for you, kyle.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:26 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:21 pm Power read of the day: in 4 hours, dunya has nearly quadrupled the post count of her player slot (in combination with sprityo). That's a good start. Even considering the capacity for a replacement to enter a game with pre-structured reads, that is not the kind of introductory pace I typically see from a replacement mafioso. The only counter-example I can recall is Quin in Mad Max.
don't be buddying up to me, alright?
Had there been a decent search result for "loneliness and cheese" in Google images, you'd be seeing it here.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:26 pm Ugh, this is LC-Epi all over again over again.

ahahahaa dont even start, I'm still reading through your bullshit in page 10 man

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:29 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:24 pm The players who I didn't enjoy weren't in the second game.

Dunya. My friend.

Is the point you're trying to argue that the first Instant Mafia game was a good and enjoyable experience?

Are you arguing that the game that you and I complained about on discord for maybe an hour after the fact was secretly really enjoyable to me? Did you forget about the part of that discussion where I emphasized that I was diving into the second game despite my experiences in the first one?
@dunya

let's not argue about this now. 1. you're not going to be lynched today. 2. I need to finish my reads on all the other players and see how you participated Day 2 more closely. 3. it's gun to head reads time.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:31 pm This isn't about me being lynched. This is about you saying and implying things you should know aren't true in order to support your point.

Kyle, the fact is you complained about the players in your second game too though. This didn't stop townie Kyle from actively trying to lynch scum and having a more driven-centric approach in the thread. This is my opinion, on what I have seen and witnessed. Since Long Con has played many games with you, perhaps he'd like to counter my suspicions if he sees a townie Kyle in your participation here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:27 pm I can do GTHs right now if people are here. Let's go. I have to leave soon before the haircut people close up shop.

GO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:35 pm Yeah fuck it.

JACKOFHEARTS2005
NUTELLA
DRWILGY

scum
town
town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm SPRITYO/DUNYA
SIG
EPIGNOSIS

town
town
town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:40 pm SLOONEI
DRAGON D. LUFFY
COLONIALBOB

town
town?
scum

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:41 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 7:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 27, 2017 7:52 pm I think you're overthinking the dancing metaphor, Doctor.

Point being, Epi is not an easy lynch, regardless of alignment and that should be taken into account when reading D1.
But why should that be taken to account? If it's non-alignment indicative what's the purpose other than to put a negative characteristic on someone?
Taken by itself, Epi's ability to avoid lynch is aside from his alignment.

It is also key to why I think Epi's accusations aimed at LC on D1 ring false and the falseness of things Epi says are very important to determining his (or anyone's) alignment.

I'm really not sure why this is such a sticking point. Seems obvious to me.

since you're not playing gun to head, I'd be very interested in why you chose to use the word "mislynch".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:42 pm MOVINGPICTURES07/JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LONG CON
MESK514

scum

town
town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:45 pm INSERTNAMEHERE/GLORFINDEL
SPACEDAISY
DOM

is this person playing? lol err, scum
scum
town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:47 pm ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN

town
scum
scum
town

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:49 pm I'm realizing very quickly just how few people I trust in this game...

you broke my heart with your sprityo prejudices

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:50 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:47 pm ELOHCIN
KYLEMII
SPEEDCHUCK
QUIN
Good
Good
Bad
We already did Quin. Good.
that's what she said

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:51 pm Alright I'm glad people stepped up. I can't assemble a beautiful chart right now (anyone else feel free to do that ). I'll talk about the results later.

I may not be able to trust you later with a clean-shaven face, sorry but not sorry.

I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:34 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:31 pm This isn't about me being lynched. This is about you saying and implying things you should know aren't true in order to support your point.
Kyle, the fact is you complained about the players in your second game too though. This didn't stop townie Kyle from actively trying to lynch scum and having a more driven-centric approach in the thread. This is my opinion, on what I have seen and witnessed. Since Long Con has played many games with you, perhaps he'd like to counter my suspicions if he sees a townie Kyle in your participation here.
That's entirely false. You know game 1 was way worse than game 2 because you read them both. Game 2 was actually enjoyable, and had good and nice players in it. My complaints about game 2 were mechanical in nature.

Umm, no, I don't know how that's entirely false, and frankly, I'm a but upset you're making me out as a liar on here re: a discussion that occurred privately between me and you. You're the one who complained about the game "devolving into trash talk again" (but with more tame language). The pages I was linked to at the time were people just yelling at each other. Mesk overreacting profoundly, and you admitting it's not your thing. So excuse me when I felt it was safe to assume you were still getting bad vibes from game 2, but that's the impression you gave me. I don't ever bring REAL LIFE lies into a mafia game, regardless of my alliance, cos I'm not a liar.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:06 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:19 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 6:15 pm I've enjoyed reading dunya's catch up posts.

I want to address mesk's play. Who was it that said they had played with her as civ before and she was really fierce? She seems so genuine to me, but that info doesn't allign with her behavior. I think she needs to be up for discussion today.

Linki...by the way... I can never address linki because on my phone, the left side of linki gets cut off for some reason. Just thought I'd share.
I don't think her absence for 6 days is indicative of her alignment. That's what I would like to sway people away from.
Yes, as town, a wrongly accused town, she gets very vocal and aggressively defensive. She hasn't been on the frying pan though, indeed, she hasn't even been on the forum for 6 days so....we can't say she's scum because she's not here.
This is oddly defensive, imo.

Dunya replaced in awesomely with great effort. What if she is too good to be true? What if there have been no night kills because of a quiet mafia and two of them are mesk and now dunya? Just really spitting this out real quick before I go watch tv with the family. I'm not fully caught up so tell me if I'm insane.

If I were scum with Mesk, I promise you I would be the first one calling for her lynching her since she's inactive anyway and it would pretty much grant me a safe(r) victory. I have absolutely no motive in buddying up to Mesk of all people, indeed, she's an incredibly easy person to get lynched if I were to build a case against her meta now.

anyway, I haven't finished reading / making notes, but I think I've had enough mafia today and given people enough context to form some opinions on me. I'll continue tomorrow.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 9:31 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:57 pm I was amazed at how many called me scum in their gth reads. Does this reflect my contributions thus far or mostly what you were feeling from sprityo? Genuinely curious.
The later.

well then, hopefully I can give people a change of heart by the time I am current with the thread.

also, the EoD phase is like at 4-5am my time or something crazy which I will surely not be present for. Is there any time to make EoD a more neutral time for the majority?

I'm past page 22 now, but I want to say a few things on Daisy. I have to admit, even early on in the Pirates game Daisy wasn't a town read for me. But after a while, I came around. It took less time here for me to pile Daisy in my townie read list and the post below is a good indicator of why I place her higher on my town list today than I did yesterday. This is a townie line of thought. All posts made by Daisy after Day 1 revelation are more Townie spoken Daisy. Daisy reached townie conclusions and asked townie-head questions. I'm feeling better about her not being part of the scum team, but haven't yet completely ruled her out of being a 3P.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:43 am I disagree with the Sutter Buttes one. We have not yet had a night in which to turn any actions in. The Sutter Buttes hide a fellow little mountain at night and it decreases the vote tally against them the following day. I think this can be discounted as a reason for what occurred.

If Everest, then it might not be her
If Aconcagua, then it is her
If Pico Cristobal Colon, then it doesn't have to be her, but they must be someone who feels confident using their one time power to save her...
If Matterhorn, ??? we just don't know enough to eliminate this one
Disregarding Sutter Buttes for reasons already stated above...
Olympus Mons, same boat as Matterhorn

This doesn't clear her, but her survival is in no way a clear indication of her being bad. in fact I think her behavior might actually be explained by a couple of these possibilities and leans me even more towards my previous belief that Nutella is not bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:29 am I went from being on top of the thread to being six pages behind almost overnight.

try being 44 pages behind.

I'm sorry, and maybe it's my atrocious English, but I have a hard time understanding Jack in this game.

I feel like a lot of his nitty gritty posts are worded awkwardly and there's a lot of beating around the bushes.

"What about the bits regarding bad handwaives of noncircular reasoning as circular reasoning and junk about...."

like what is this even

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:05 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:48 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 pm Additionally, Nutella being town in my book means you could be one of two scummers instead of only one (Indy aside) so you're twice as likely to be bad. That was the main reason you were probably good.
Elaborate please?
Is the problem that my numbers are off due to misremembering the number of baddies in this game?

What's confusing/odd?
I don't understand the "one of two scummers instead of only one" statement at all.
I miscounted the baddie team of four as a baddie team of three. If Epi and Nutella are bad, you have a 1/whatever chance of being bad. If only Epi is bad, you have a 2/whatever chance.

But it's actually 2/whatever and 3/whatever.

Like I said in that very post, everyone else would be statistically likely to be good based on that POE.

I think hunting for a mafia team of three and hunting for a rogue are vastly different activities, and there's no baddie team of four. There is a baddie team of 3 and a second lonely baddie team of 1. A scum-read is easier than a rogue-read.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:28 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:53 pm (Basically I would think LC is scum but following such a stupid argument if he didn't genuinely see something in Epi is suicidal)

(And that's a town meta read on LC for me)
LC would not have, as scum, taken one of the danciest, hardest-to-lynch targets and formed a stupid argument to try and lynch him. My meta on LC says this sincere, earnest, and suicidal lynchlust comes from a town headspace.

And seriously, who would target Epi as their easy D1 lynch?

Motive-wise, it makes zero sense for LC to be scum outside of tinfoil land.
LC and Epi have a history of this sort of thing. It's within LC's meta to go after him like this. And LC is also one of the boldest scum players we'll see, according to legend. I get the impression that he's willing to do just abot anything.

LC could have gone after sig too, as he's done in the past. Epi direction was intentional, out of townie-bad-feelings, I feel. It was frustration and a bit of sourness, which are also townie emotions. A scummy LC would not have invested that much bad faith framing into making Epi an easy lynch target. I think in the games I've played with LC (as town) he always does something like this (I've seen it once directed to sig and twice to Epi--he was Town in all three games). I remember in his game as scum (Seinfeld), he didn't tunnel anyone in this manner. I'm not saying he hasn't as scum, but I'm saying this smells more like Townie LC to me,

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.

Sloonei pressures him for some "names" on who is giving him bad vibes and this is DDL's response

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.

Yeah. I mean DDL has been around for a while. He's an old soul and an old player. A scum DDL would have put in a tad more effort into at least aligning his stories. I understand he's part of the Hydra game on MU too that's started now. I've played Pirates mafia with him, and I read him as town there, despite lurking theories, and I label him as town here for the same reasons. Nothing seems off-meta for his most current town play. He's not on my scum list atm.

this is not a post indicative on how I personally feel about sig and speedchuck at this time but

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:31 pm sig as a civilian pirate was more engaged and effortful in the high-octane Day 1 aboard the pirate ship than he was in this high-octane Day 1. Bad vibes.

Yeah, but Day 1 was over Thanksgiving holidays wasn't it?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:31 pm speedchuck was willing to engage suspects pointedly, and he cut down his suspect pool with transparent civilian reads (or at least pledges not to lynch). I also like the tone he exhibited in his handling of the Epi/LC feud. Good vibes.

You reference the pirate game to give a meta based read on sig, but what about speedchuck's general aura in the beginning of pirates game when he was throwing up statistics and reads? Yet one of those gave you good vibes and the other bad vibes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:10 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:44 am I'm sorry, and maybe it's my atrocious English, but I have a hard time understanding Jack in this game.

I feel like a lot of his nitty gritty posts are worded awkwardly and there's a lot of beating around the bushes.

"What about the bits regarding bad handwaives of noncircular reasoning as circular reasoning and junk about...."

like what is this even
LC: Epi is bad because "blah blah blah."
Epi: I am dismissing (ie handwaiving) LC's case against me because "blah blah blah" is circular reasoning.
Jack: No, it isn't circular reasoning (ie noncircular reasoning). Whoever I was talking to about Epi, what do you think about Epi dismissing LC's arguement as "circular" when it is clearly not a circular arguement?

Does that make more sense?

Maybe I need to sleep on this and see if it hits me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:14 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:01 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:26 pm I hate this argument about ties.

One of Kyle and Jack is bad.

Calling it now.
Sloonei pressures him for some "names" on who is giving him bad vibes and this is DDL's response

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 7:34 pm sloonei
nutella
LC

There, just looked at the thread and listed the people.

Now imma go back to catch up.
Yeah. I mean DDL has been around for a while. He's an old soul and an old player. A scum DDL would have put in a tad more effort into at least aligning his stories. I understand he's part of the Hydra game on MU too that's started now. I've played Pirates mafia with him, and I read him as town there, despite lurking theories, and I label him as town here for the same reasons. Nothing seems off-meta for his most current town play. He's not on my scum list atm.
I've seen this arguement before and while it isn't necessarily wrong, I hate it.

It's essentially "DDL doesn't make sense and if he is bad, he'd probably try harder to make sense."

That's perhaps true but promotes the idea that townies don't need to try to make sense, which by extension means scum doesn't have to either....which eliminates the initial premise of your statement, that scum would try harder to make sense.

That's more than fair, I don't expect anyone to buy into my DDL case reading. Please note these initial reads are more of a general feel, to gather MY personal thoughts on players I had no back knowledge of yesterday. I agree it's terrible and often false as was the case in Seinfeld where the entire scum team apart from LC were lurkers, but I think it holds some value when it comes to a scum DDL.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:16 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:10 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:44 am I'm sorry, and maybe it's my atrocious English, but I have a hard time understanding Jack in this game.

I feel like a lot of his nitty gritty posts are worded awkwardly and there's a lot of beating around the bushes.

"What about the bits regarding bad handwaives of noncircular reasoning as circular reasoning and junk about...."

like what is this even
LC: Epi is bad because "blah blah blah."
Epi: I am dismissing (ie handwaiving) LC's case against me because "blah blah blah" is circular reasoning.
Jack: No, it isn't circular reasoning (ie noncircular reasoning). Whoever I was talking to about Epi, what do you think about Epi dismissing LC's arguement as "circular" when it is clearly not a circular arguement?

Does that make more sense?
Maybe I need to sleep on this and see if it hits me

Ok, it makes sense now.

I see the Epi/LC case as very circular. I think it was weak and more of Day 1 gut instinct tunneling than actual scum tells.

I would like to think Mod Marmot wouldn't have replaced me into sprityo's role if there was a completely inactive scum team of 3. So I am ruling that possibility out completely from understanding what's been happening in the night phases. Is there a lurker/inactive amidst the scum team--more than likely. Are three users inactive? No.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:29 am There is nothing circular about the Epi case. The "circular" rebuttal is fake, and it makes me suspicious to see it called real.

Let's say, JaggedJimmyJay made a Crowded House reference in the thread Day 0, and you spotted it and called it out. Then he was like, you're cool LC, I'm not lynching you today.

Would you read that as scum JJJ immediately?

Are you not willing to admit a little bias and aggression in how hard you went after Epi for slightly mundane reasons? Didn't you feel you did better scum hunting when you didn't focus all posts on him?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:38 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:36 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:29 am There is nothing circular about the Epi case. The "circular" rebuttal is fake, and it makes me suspicious to see it called real.
Let's say, JaggedJimmyJay made a Crowded House reference in the thread Day 0, and you spotted it and called it out. Then he was like, you're cool LC, I'm not lynching you today.

Would you read that as scum JJJ immediately?

Are you not willing to admit a little bias and aggression in how hard you went after Epi for slightly mundane reasons? Didn't you feel you did better scum hunting when you didn't focus all posts on him?
I'm sorry, I didn't see a reference to circles there.

I'm sorry, maybe English isn't my first language. Isn't circular case reflective of someone who is just going around in circles and not willing to admit there is a possibility they are wrong or have been misdirected and there are other leads to follow?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."

Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."
Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.

nevermind I found it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."
Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.
Was I going around in circles or tunnelling? These mixed metaphors are just making me shake my head.

BOTH. You were tunneling and refused to do anything else, despite him counterclaiming your accusations and going back and forth, and back and forth. To go around in circles is basically talk about Epi all day/night long without achieving anything new. I wasted a lot of effort on you and Epi's bromance.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 am So, was I using circular logic?

No. Not that I can see, anyway. Maybe Epi confused circular logic with going around in circles.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:15 am
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:58 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:53 am No, circular logic is logic that requires a belief that it's right in order to prove that it's right. Like "God exists because the Bible says so, and the Bible is the word of God, and thus is the truth."
Ah ok, circular logic. I understand now. Did Epi explain how your argument was circular? Because I don't see it. I don't see how it was and I also did not see his reasoning.

I did see you going around in circles, though.
Was I going around in circles or tunnelling? These mixed metaphors are just making me shake my head.
BOTH. You were tunneling and refused to do anything else
FALSE. I also discussed other players and interactions.

you did, as a sideline, but my post was meant to amplify the fact that your main objective and clear focus was on Epi. Please tell me I'm wrong.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 am
, despite him counterclaiming your accusations and going back and forth, and back and forth.
MISLEADING. I didn't post "despite" his counterclaims, I posting BECAUSE his counterclaims were all so bullshitty. Like saying that I knew Mesk and bob were Civvies, or saying that I claimed he "magically chose" who would respond to his Bob Dylan thing.

If I accuse you of something, and all you have to counter it are ridiculous arguments, then it's going to make me suspect you more. Every time. I don't really understand why most of the thread just smile and nod when reading some of this crap, but hey, everyone has to play their own way.

One could argue here that your accusations were ridiculous in the first place. The way I saw this pan out was Epi made a tongueincheek comment after Bob played along with him. I've done many of these before. Someone makes a hilarious post on Day 1, ok dude, I won't look your way on Day 1, there's three other anti town players I can be concentrating on so why not. You really blew that one way out of proportion by calling it buddying on Day 1. Do you think if there was a solid case against Bob, Epi would have turned the other cheek? I mean, let's be real.

Mesk -- I saw what Epi was seeing. Is it groundbreaking and completely ethical and fool proof? No. But is any Day 1 lynch 100% fool proof? No. His response to narrowing his suspect pool on the grounds of a townie-ping he got from Mesk was not at all "ridiculous". You completely dismissing it was rather over the top though.

Again, I do view you as townie, and as such, I really think you're playing a dangerous game here. If Epi was lynched and he flipped town against your better judgement, would you have done an "ooopsie, this happens every game, sorry guyzzzz but Epi is soooo scummy".

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 amIf I didn't have to laboriously point that kind of stuff out, then there wouldn't have been so much focus. Don't blame me. It's like blaming outraged Native Americans for getting upset about Trump's "Pocahontas" comment. Like, "shut up you guys, you're going around in circles and tunnelling about this!"

I find your comparison here hilarious and very reflective of the kind of player you are.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:36 am
To go around in circles is basically talk about Epi all day/night long without achieving anything new. I wasted a lot of effort on you and Epi's bromance.
Just ignore my posts then, if that's how you feel. It's a Syndicate tradition.

don't be salty.

You do realize you've done this a lot in the past (I mean, I've witnessed it several times and I haven't even played 5 games on this forum) and it was misdirected in the past, right? How many times have you successfully targeted a scum based on Day 0+ tunneling? How many times was it misguided?

I've done things like go after a player that everyone else saw as town, but at least I've been honest with myself and the thread, that it's intuition-based and I didn't have any solid ground to stand on. Your grounded stubbornness, on the other hand, is pretty dangerous to town imo. No one should be that sure of themselves at this point, except scummers when they call another player townie.

also sorry, I speak four languages and am a master of none. Instead of shaking your head or face palming at my mistakes, perhaps you could tell me what you think I misconstrued so it doesn't happen again. No sarcasm intended.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:38 pm I think I'm gonna skip from Page 39 until the end of the Night. Otherwise I'll probably procrastine this game for days.

If there is anything so important during this time you want me to look at, let me know.

We need info ffs.

basically all of my contributions fall under those pages so if you want to get a better read on me, perhaps you can ISO me and skim through my posts (I tend to quote posts I'm referencing usually so I am easy to follow I think).

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], not that it makes a huge difference, but I am actually a "she". Going through your post now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:48 am I could maybe townread DDL, assume an inactive baddie with Dunya and maybe Speed (maybe Bob, maybe Epi).

Doesn't this go against everything you preach, though?

Or here, let me try something.

I've seen this arguement before and while it isn't necessarily wrong, I hate it.

It's essentially "an inactive user must be scum, because why not?"

I have seen you mention my name a couple times now, if not more, and I think with all the posts I have contributed this last day I am allowed to expect some sort of basis for your scum read of me please.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 12:06 pm 2. As of post 2021, and the page around it, Dunya seems to not know how many mafia there are. I don't think Dunya is the type to fake that for town points. Dunya is an effort maker. I think this is genuine, and matches with him not knowing about K2's role. Dunya skimmed the rolelist, and I think he genuinely doesn't know there are four scum.

I have actually read them all now in great detail, but I think I've played in too many games with 3 scummers lately. Apologies. And thank you for graciously pointing out my mistake.

I am placing a tentative vote on Jack for now. There are too many inconsistencies, too many loose ends, a few unanswered questions, strange wordings (mislynch instead of lynch re: Epi, really bugged me) so for now, he remains my strongest scum read which is disappointing to me in another way because his activity levels are actually much higher and more spontaneous than he was as a replacement in the Pirates game where he was scum, so he doesn't fall under the same meta.

I haven't finished catching up yet (I'm on pg 25 out of 40 so I have 15 pages more to go). It's still very early. Let's see how I feel a little later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:24 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:49 am
I think hunting for a mafia team of three and hunting for a rogue are vastly different activities, and there's no baddie team of four. There is a baddie team of 3 and a second lonely baddie team of 1. A scum-read is easier than a rogue-read.
I don't know why you think this. The big mountain win condition doesn't say they need the independent dead to win. Therefore the independent isn't bad. If Olympus Mons is LMS (Last Mountain Standing), then it would be contrary to the stated win condition on page one.

The rogue rarely has to be dead for town to win. I don't think I've ever played in a game where it was a condition, in fact. That doesn't mean he/she wasn't anti-town, because they were. Is it possible for them to target scum too? Sure. That's why they win as long as they're alive with the leading faction and there are no conditions to kill them.

This is from my experience, I haven't played a game with a rogue on this forum yet. Maybe Sloonei or JJJ could tell me if it's different than what I am accustomed to.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 11:52 am @Marmot

Mesk has not posted in 6 days. Dom has not posted in 9. Glornamehere has not posted at all.

The front page lists two replacement players.

Can we sub Bird and Mal in for two of these slots?
I'll do what I can. Haven't heard back from birdwithteeth yet.

where do you live? In Antarctica? What is this strange EoD time? :P

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:39 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 1:27 pm I am placing a tentative vote on Jack for now. There are too many inconsistencies, too many loose ends, a few unanswered questions, strange wordings (mislynch instead of lynch re: Epi, really bugged me) so for now, he remains my strongest scum read which is disappointing to me in another way because his activity levels are actually much higher and more spontaneous than he was as a replacement in the Pirates game where he was scum, so he doesn't fall under the same meta.

I haven't finished catching up yet (I'm on pg 25 out of 40 so I have 15 pages more to go). It's still very early. Let's see how I feel a little later.

ok *unvote* that response is too cool to lynch today

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