The Syndicate

gnawty's got no fear
so baddies better run and hide
now everybody listen here
i'm ready to kick some fresh behind

day 0 post #2

it's all fun and games
for people who can rhyme
but totally lames
if you don't have the time

(or talent)

day 0 post #3

i've got lower back pains
and i haven't slept in days
but let's take a crack at this game
before we turn lame

sig wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:59 pm Refusing to rhyme is kinda scummy
Also anyone who over rhymes/someone in first 3 is def mafia trying to be blendy.

Also fuck rhyming the whole reason i signed up for this game is since I don't wanna post why should I rhyme and be forced to post more.

someone like nanook?

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:08 pm At risk of sounding overly simplistic, role claiming and infodumping are allowed, and "the mafia have been given safe character claims drawn at random from a larger pool of possible civilian characters." So come Day 1, should we all just say our roles, then vote to lynch from among the roles that people double-claim?

jaggedjimmyjay doesn't allow infodumping where people doubleclaim and get called out. i don't know if this is genuine or underhanded cunningness since i haven't played with russtifinko before, but it pinged me.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:18 pm Rhymes are cool
But puns are better
It takes a man
To make her wetter

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:30 pm I aint lynching sig on day (1)
twice in a row, that's no fun
I'd rather choose someone who seems too eager
to do so despite the motive being so meager

feels like tmi

i didn't get the scummy vibes that sloonei, mac, and others got from sig, but this excuse from nutella is not really a defense of "why sig is not mafia" it's just some weak narrative about not wanting to lynch him on day 1 twice in a row, but maybe on day 2 eh? i guess i just don't buy it.

i think sloonei is being sloonei. i am not comfortable calling either epi or mp town yet, but i feel like epi's case on mp was a bit more like an english teacher nitpicking someone's grammar vs. scumminess in posts so i would vote epi out before mp. then again, the way nutella (eagerly) votes for mp pretty quickly makes me feel nut and epi are not on the same team if there's one baddie between them.

i like macdougall.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:58 am I also felt a line of sarcasm and negativity in Sloonei's posts that I didn't like. It's faint, but makes me want to place my first vote there.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

i read his posts and didn't detect the sarcasm. curious if you can point it out?

oh cool, town mp is on my team. that's a relief.

mp, can you tell me why sloonei is "strong town"?

i didn't like gman's second post in the game. for all the effort he went into rhyming, i felt like we got 0 reads or anything of substance from it even if he only has a little time (so do i). that's where he and nanook differ for me, nanook offered some opinions on people (they weren't grand sweeping isos, but i don't care if people want to stick to a schtick and from memory it's common that nanook does this).

i am rereading sloonei now, because i feel i missed something.

post #3 btw

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

didn't address my sig point, i feel ignored. *pout*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 5:25 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 2:03 pm oh cool, town mp is on my team. that's a relief.

mp, can you tell me why sloonei is "strong town"?

i didn't like gman's second post in the game. for all the effort he went into rhyming, i felt like we got 0 reads or anything of substance from it even if he only has a little time (so do i). that's where he and nanook differ for me, nanook offered some opinions on people (they weren't grand sweeping isos, but i don't care if people want to stick to a schtick and from memory it's common that nanook does this).

i am rereading sloonei now, because i feel i missed something.

You felt like that because there wasn't anything of substance. It was an apology with a promise to be with us later. Anybody can see that. You're trying to spin a fact into an opinion.

no, i literally said that the time it took him to come up with that he could have offered an opinion on even 1 person. those were like 10 lines of thought-out rhymes, im not buying he couldn't have chipped in somewhere. if you don't like that conclusion, then idc.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 12:44 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 11:31 ami feel like epi's case on mp was a bit more like an english teacher nitpicking someone's grammar vs. scumminess in posts so i would vote epi out before mp.

You might know this already, but Epi is literally an English teacher irl. So I would kind of expect him to sounds like that as a default. I get that you think it weaken's his case on MP, but it doesn't necessarily make me read Epi as bad. Especially with schools being out, he's gotta find an outlet.

yes, i know, but it felt to me like strawman arguments. i mean really, MP isn't allowed to complain about "keeping track of post count" because he's an accounting professor???? nah.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 5:19 pm I do not agree that my treatment of MP was pedantic in the least (which is what the description implies). The meat of my accusation against MP was him complaining about posts and not doing anything about acquiring more posts. Then I realized I read everything about Day 0 the wrong way and it would appear I wasn't alone.

i hate this. you're trying to downplay the lack of basis for your case by saying "but everyone else thought the same, so i'm not odd, i'm not different, i'm just like the rest of you" bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 5:19 pmThe problem I have here is the implication that "Epi vs MP" is something that needs to be "solved" as it were. Phrasing like this paves the road for "Well, Epi is dead. He was a civilian. We need to assess MP more strongly now."

no, i've literally given MP a town read, so try to set another narrative for me please.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 4:01 pm Alright.

i don't see the menace in his posts or "mean" tone you seem to, but i'm curious where sloonei's meta of being mean when he's scum came up? if anything, my experience with him is the opposite. any examples come to mind immediately? you don't have to link me to anything, just curious.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 5:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 5:19 pmThe problem I have here is the implication that "Epi vs MP" is something that needs to be "solved" as it were. Phrasing like this paves the road for "Well, Epi is dead. He was a civilian. We need to assess MP more strongly now."

no, i've literally given MP a town read, so try to set another narrative for me please.

also to clarify, when i read the thread i quoted posts as i went along and replied to them then pasted them all in one post and hit submit. at the time i was reading everyone was voting for MP after epi's case, hence my "i'd sooner vote epi than mp". it wasn't meant as "mp is bad but less bad than epi".

anyone who still gives weight to my number of posts as a genuine reason to scum read can kindly kiss my backside. had enough of that meta and spent the last games changing it. dunya posting 200 posts on day 1 is dead. over. deal with it. and especially on a 25 post limit game.

my read on mp is tone-based. he seems genuine. even though he has mostly been on the defence, because people were hitting him from all sides, his defences are all sincere and coming from a place of truth, i feel. and with that, hes still took the time to game solve and keep up. Scum mp will be more focused on defence and getting out of people's dog piles. i am an intuition-based player, and i can see town behind MP posts.

i am however beginning to feel less certain of a town sloonei here.

I dunno how to read russ, and i will at some point quote his massive post when I'm not on my phone and reply.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pm Speaking of wasting posts, dunya just posted 5 times in a row - maybe combine those all into one?

so? they were all relevant as they came up. and combining posts on my phone is not possible, i can only do it on my laptop. and i'm not worried about post count, there's lots of townies here and no one wants to be washed out by someone who makes newspaper posts every time they post. even 1 good to-the-point post is worth a lot more than ramblings and echos that everyone has already discussed or said. this game gives a chance for everyone to do their part and chip in and be heard so don't expect newspapers more than once a day.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pmTo state this even more strongly - dunya's 5th post of the game started with "oh cool, town mp is on my team. that's a relief." I have a slight town read on MP right now, but it's D1 and you're willing to 100% clear him? I remember MP's meta being that he's slightly more likely to read people as town if they read him as town, and given that he was already gettign some cred from Sloonei eariler, it seems like dunya may be trying to get in his good graces here. Dunya, maybe explain a little better why you think MP is bona fide 100% civvie?

who said i 100% towncleared him? who said i can't pass out town reads and take them away when they prove to be wrong? who said this? who makes those rules? this is how i play. my strategy is forming as many town reads as i can. it's the most effective way to hunt for scum, because paranoia makes everyone look scummy, even genuine townies. when i can't find town in someone, then you worry.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pm dunya, can you clarify more why you "hate" Epi's interpretation of the D0-D1 post count rules? It sounds like a vast proportion of the players misunderstood them, and when he realized he had, he immediately backed off and said it blew up his case.

because his case used things like "MP complaining about counting votes, but he's an accounting professor, so fake!" -- that's so incredibly silly and i felt like it was a built-up strawman case with points added just to amplify the number of words on the case.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pmI could see this being more of "attack anyone who attacks MP to get in his good graces" like what I mentioned above.

why do i care in the least to be in MP's good graces? is that what you're doing with your very wishy washy "why is dunya giving MP towncred" but adding a quick disclaimer that "he's town for me too!" lol. hypocricy much? who cares if i say slight, much, a little before i say town?

if anything your posts about MP and me reeks of tmi as though you know for certain MP is town and trying to spin the narrative that i'm trying to pocket him. very bad look for you.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 6:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:05 pm

Post count ceilings for Day 1:

26 - Dragon D. Luffy
28 - dunya
34 - Epignosis
26 - G-Man
29 - M Plus 7
28 - MacDougall
30 - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
30 - nutella
29 - Russtifinko
28 - sig
31 - Sloonei
26 - speedchuck
29 - TonyStarkPrime
28 - Turnip Head

Jiggy pursuits are now underway, and your 4-liners actually count.

I am an idiot - should have realized this way sooner. It looks like however many posts we made on D0 got added to our D1 totals. So for example, I posted 4 times on D0 so got 25+4 to work with today. Epi posted 9 times D0, so gets 25+9 today.

uh no, the numbers are the limits you can reach if you go out to the forum an click on the number url in the "replies" column. every day jay will likely get our post tally and add 25 or however many we're allowed based on jiggys, then it helps you keep track of the number of posts you can make a day and for him to make sure no one overposted. for instance, i have 13 (14 after i post this) and am allowed 28 so only 14 more before end of day.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:14 pm I was talking about the mindset ham
Of rationing your posts to get near the quota lamb

what does this mean? in like plain english lol. im not sure i understand.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:23 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 8:14 pm But that's not what I did fam
I was talking about the mindset ham
Of rationing your posts to get near the quota lamb
And anyways your overzealous defense of MP makes me skeptical too damn

I don't understand this and I need someone to vote for other than MP so [VOTE: th] aubergine I don't buy your reasoning for suspecting dunya

you voted for him without understanding his reason for voting for me? wait what?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 3:05 am T11. G-Man + Speedchuck - They have made one off topic post each in a game that I would expect the scum to have action paralysis in.

that is an oddly specific thing to say, in a game where the host in signups said he realizes post count limitations is mafia-favored and he'd balance that.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:26 pm Yeah I played against him in Assassin's Creed where I was bad and he was town, so I know exactly what he's capable of. He's just posting reads lists, that won't help him find baddies, it just makes him look like a fun guy.

i actually agree. the read lists are more ego stroking than actual definitive "i have beefs with you and these are it" lists. the scum suspects are mostly the inactives. seems oddly specific.

well it's saturday so i hope we see more of [mention]G-Man[/mention]

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:11 am How does him balancing to overcome it prevent the human experience of it?

i don't understand? you said: "expect the scum to have action paralysis" to me, that implies role restrictions. what did you mean?

after rereading sloonei im undecided. i sense there's some reservation in his posts that i know scum sloonei is known for, but with the post restrictions, i can't tell if that's because of the limitations or because he actually is scum sloonei. but avoiding some stuff and choosing what to comment on without weighing in on things happening makes me hesitant. putting me and nutella in the same undecided could be town could not be category didn't sit right with me either. i don't see anywhere where he's questioned or called out anything i've said. indeed, he's gone this far without addressing me or commenting about me at all before his rainbow!

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]

you wrote all TH has done is sheep people. where is that? i looked for it and didn't see it.

his first opinion was to say sig wasn't bad. everyone else was piling on sig. he went against the flow.

he voted MP with others, but then was the first to provide a counterargument and unvote.

he poked and voted for me on his own.

he voted for you and is pushing for your lynch for reasons he created entirely.


spicy hot take: mac and nutella and sloonei are bad.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:12 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 7:39 pm Epi pointing out dunya's post count speaks to my instincts
Like she's rationing them to get close to the quota
Not necessarily scummy, but I think it stinks
And I don't trust her one iota

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

Voted dunya sheeping Epi in his own words.

no, that's not how sheeping works. if that's sheeping, then everyone in the god damn thread is a sheep. we may never suspect someone who someone else suspects. we may never town read someone that someone else townreads.

the facts is:
they defended sig. they didn't have to. everyone, yourself included (baaaaa, that's my sheep voice), was saying sig bad. they did not.
they voted mp. everyone else was voting mp, granted.
they set a counterargument that was totally different than sloonei's "i think mp is genuine" argument and unvoted for mp before anyone else did.
they voted for me because they thought i was being stingy with my posts. it doesn't matter if epi brought up dunya has 11 posts in a 25 post day. epi wasn't voting for me, he was voting for nutella. that's not called "sheeping"
they voted for you and gave genuine reason.

so again, none of TH's behavior to me is sheeping. they are their own person and have formed authentic reads in the thread where i can see conscious development in voting patterns that isn't just "sheeping".

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:40 pm
I feel like you all are in a different thread than I am, and I can't tell if you two are speaking past each other or not. dunya, can you talk to me more about this?

what specifically do you want to know? russ is pinged because i posted in succession and didn't merge them all in one post. i don't have to defend that, it's how i choose to play and idc if that doesn't suit the style of someone else. he also think i'm trying to pocket you. for him to think you are being pocketed implies i am bad and you are good. it implies he knows that you are good. it implies TMI imo.

the only person we can claim is being pocketed is ourselves at this point. kinda like what nutella is doing to me itt. i am town, so i feel ulterior motives in her easy agreement with me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:40 pm

Spoiler: show

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 10:11 am How does him balancing to overcome it prevent the human experience of it?

i don't understand? you said: "expect the scum to have action paralysis" to me, that implies role restrictions. what did you mean?

after rereading sloonei im undecided. i sense there's some reservation in his posts that i know scum sloonei is known for, but with the post restrictions, i can't tell if that's because of the limitations or because he actually is scum sloonei. but avoiding some stuff and choosing what to comment on without weighing in on things happening makes me hesitant. putting me and nutella in the same undecided could be town could not be category didn't sit right with me either. i don't see anywhere where he's questioned or called out anything i've said. indeed, he's gone this far without addressing me or commenting about me at all before his rainbow!

Why didn't it sit right with you?

the relationship between me and nutella. why are we paired in his thoughts at all? it doesn't make sense to my brain. i also talked a bit more about my beef with sloonei in how he seems to have completely avoided me before his rainbow. he literally quotes a post by TH when he was voting for me to ask a question about game mechanics instead of even weighing in on dunya. it's uncanny to me.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] - what about me? why have you completely avoided weighing in on me when you've been in the middle of the thread when epi and TH both accused me? what is your read on me now?

i feel like sloonei wouldn't outright ignore me. i've mentioned you plenty of times, and you'd at least ask me what it was that was making me iffy on you. you'd want to hear it so you can defend yourself or make a decision on where i stand. you've outright ignored me, and it's a point of concern for me.

i also don't believe i still haven't left enough of an impression on you to either be in your town or suspect tier. if anyone can read me, it's you.

anyway, i'm gonna see how i feel about this, because i think mac's long reads was the easiest thing to fake as a scum to appear like a contributing member of town: [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 12:09 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 11:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 01, 2020 9:07 pm 14. Epi feels distinctly different in this game, but I'm not currently inclined to view that as a negative point. Reads have been pouring out of him more openly than I'm used to. It's a change that doesn't necessarily strike me as agenda-driven. Or maybe that's the point.

'not-negative'
'not necessarily agenda driven'
'maybe it's supposed to look good'

Do you have a read on Epi, or are those hedge brambles distracting you?

Yes, you will note that he’s in my highest tier of town reads. That post is worded the way it is because it was in response to a comment that epi feels different.

Yucky take, [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

i see you're still voting for speedchuck. is he your best suspect based on this post alone?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:16 am Dunya which of G-man and Speedchuck is more likely to be town in your opinion?

i'd have to see more of both of them before deciding. i liked g-man's day 0 recap, looking forward to see what he made of day 1. gth, i would say speed is town and gman is bad. if i like, had to pick one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 11:38 am Opportunistic? How so?

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention] i'd like an answer to this too please. how was macdougall's suspicion of you opportunistic?

[mention]Russtifinko[/mention] russti, i'm gonna peg this down to: you don't know my play style and i don't know yours. me town reading a lot of people is very normal. if you'd like to check my town game, have a look and see for yourself. saying "ok cool mps on my team" is a fun way of saying MP is a town read. i don't have to always add adjectives before town to indicate the level of towniness. i saw town mp and mentioned it. that's the bottom of it. i don't care if you're voting for me for this reason, and this is the last i'll talk about it. you're free to review my past town games for comparison to see how i do this in like, every game i've ever played in.

also unfortunately end of day is 11pm my time and i'm unavailable from 9pm until like 10.45. go figure the first time ever i have a reasonable end of day it sucks for me. i'm still around for 15 minutes, but feel pretty good about my mcdougall vote tbh. nothing he said inspired confidence in me he was town, felt like the hole he was digging got bigger and bigger.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 1:32 pm I don't really have a "top suspect" and that post wasn't all that long ago (I've been asleep for most of the time between then and now), and my vote at this stage is never final, but yeah, I still think that was a bad take. I can easily see it coming from a cherrypicking townchuck, but it seemed like a viable point to apply pressure to and that hasn't changed.

what do you think of three cases against me till now: epi's, turnip's and now russti's?

i never knew with every scum or town read we gave we have to add a disclaimer: "but i could be wrong." lol. that's silly.

anyway, sloonei voting for speedchuck still doesn't inspire me, i'm not believing he doesn't have any top suspects or that speed with his like 2 on topic posts is the best choice today. there's a ton of content and events and no time or room to skirt around it. i would say he's in my suspects pile along with mac.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:49 pm I don't like this post, or TH's response to Mac in general. Sheeping reads to see where they lead doesn't make a great deal of sense to me, since, if someone else already has the read, in theory we'll get to see where it leads without sheeping, and it takes away responsibility from someone to make their own unique reads. Many a baddie has said "I agree with Y - we ought to lynch X to get more info. Oh, didn't work out? It was Y's idea! Get them!"

To me, unvotes are also generally a scummy look, especially if other votes have come on to the votee between the vote and unvote. It's a good way to start a lynch train without being held responsible for it.

[/quote]
wow. i think we come from different mafia cultures for sure. first of all, if you look at TH's posts as they were made, you'll see that he hasn't been sheeping. i talked about this with mac. if we're not allowed to suspect anyone that someone has suspected before us at one point in this game, then we're in trouble, no? i don't think anyone shifts accountability, especially when TH has provided rationale when voting (maybe apart from his MP vote, which he unvoted). and unvotes are part of mafia for me, i don't know how that's scummy.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 2:57 pm -Epi: He makes good counter-punches, but how many times have I been duped into civ reading him in the past?

BAD VIBES
-MP: This might be old bias due to his high-volume style of play. It's a soft ping, so don't take it the wrong way.
-Nutella: Equal parts old bias and not feeling much of anything despite the volume of her ISO.
-Mac: He keeps coming back to low-hanging fruit. Lazy for a civvie to do; wise for a baddie. It's never lost its appeal. I am low-hanging fruit, I realize this, so my judgement may be a tad harsh.
-Nanook: Maybe it's a lack of familiarity, but something in his play rubs me the wrong way. Rhyme scheme in moderation and play the game, friendo.

i hate these reads specifically from g-man and here's why. the first one is supposed to be civ reading epi, but follows it up with a counterargument. then all his bad reads basically have disclaimers. to mp and nutella: it's old bias. to mac, his judgment could be harsh and to nanook, advice on how to rectify his behavior "friendo". consider me pinged.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 2:58 pm (17)

smh @ mac recklessly hitting his post cap. RIP. He's town.

no fucking way. shit on a stick.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:55 pm TSP, from what I can understand, it seems like people are voting Mac for posting rainbow reads. I sort of fail to understand it, since when I last played here those were super popular, and others have done those in this game and not been punished for it in the same way. As I see it, they establish accountability and give people an easy record to go back to for sussing out baddies.

I probably am not the best person to explain the case since I'm so confused by it, but there ya go. I think we have better things to go on for today.

you are right, you're not the best person. the list is not the issue, the contents of the list is. they seem ungenuine, the second one was like an ego stroking block of text. he only had bad things to say about the inactives? really?

then there's his read on TH which i felt was false narrative and an exaggeration, as i already pointed out why. his responses to me did not inspire confidence, but he doubled down and made it worse imo.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 4:06 pm I'll probably vote for Mac. Or not. I don't know. speedchuck is uninspired. Maybe I'll go back to tony.

@MP, i have no idea how to tag you. what moved sloonei down for you? he was greener last time you made one of these lists. what don't you like about nutella and Tony?

linki:

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:21 pm You're bringing up a current game to try and clear yourself which is wrong on so many levels.

tbf, you claimed it's been years since you played with him and that was false.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:29 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:27 pm Epi is playing his normal game, which he does both as mafia and as civ. Civ lean from me though.
TH, DDL, and Nutella all are civ leand
Liking Rust's posts
Dunya I'm a bit meh on she cleared MP really fast
Leery on sloonie his reasoning to vote for me was weak which he did pull back on, but seems like he's throwing shit on the wall and seeing what sticks.
Not liking Nanook, MP, or Mac all should be lynched.

I do not understand how these two thoughts exist in the same brain at the same time.

what do you mean? he scum reads mp and has issues with the fact i cleared him too fast.

[mention]sig[/mention], im not lynching you today.

macdougall being saved. unimpressed, but will double down next phase.

linki: epi making it a tie! :o

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:58 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 5:55 pm The push of Mac is scummy
Regardless of his flip
There’s mafia on it, that’s my tip
Make sure you listen to me, dummy

I thought this about the push on sig.

I'm voting for mac. nutella is his teammate. I'm breaking one of my own cardinal rules. This game just doesn't jive, but here's post #25.

what cardinal rule

who's around for a game of GTH?

i think we need to find out how we feel about everyone because people's thoughts are all over the place.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:02 am I think it’s Epi, Sloonei, and Turnip.

i agree on sloonei now, and probably nutella. i don't know why epi voted for mac, maybe he did and i didn't see why. i'll check. but his switch from sig to mac put them tied, which is ok in my books. and it was gman who tipped the scale then sloonei came on board at some point.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 02, 2020 3:23 pm MacDougall:

I do agree with dunya's posts about Mac's treatment of TH.

However, two points in Mac's favor:

First, his lists look honest in the sense that I can peer through the alcohol-laced clouds and discern some progression of thought that I can understand even if I do not always agree with it.

Second Mac posted "8. Sig - Got a bit of a wobbly boot on but still think he's town. Whiny sig is usually town sig. " but still has his vote on sig. It's a small thing, but it feels sloppy rather than sinister.

I would not lynch MacDougall today.

epi, how did you go from this thought to choosing sig over mac?

[mention]G-Man[/mention] will need a few more participants for it to be worthwhile. i'll do 3 names each time since we want to preserve posts. choose civ or baddie next to each name.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:34 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:27 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 12:23 pm I, for one, would love to participate in GTH. I could spreadsheet the results too if no one else wants to.

Seems like it would drain the post count if we do it the normal way.

Yeah, we'd have to do a full list at once, but still try to do it with a lot of people in-thread so that people give their answers near-instantaneously for the full effect.

Dragon D. Luffy scum
dunya town
Epignosis town
G-Man scum
M Plus 7 town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME scum
nutella scum
Russtifinko town
sig town
Sloonei scum
speedchuck town
TonyStarkPrime scum
Turnip Head town

DDL - cruising, no one seems to suspect him, but i don't remember a single opinion of his. seems like he's staying mia and liking the non-attention to me. no urgent game solving need. no inquisitive tones from him. dislike

g-man - his player reads were useful, but i value spontaneous engagement in the thread versus well thought out replies that were written and edited then posted. people who can't be the former are suspect, especially in this game.

nanook - i have no real reason to town read him, thus, he becomes a suspect.

nutella - stayed away from both sig and mac lynches. seems to agreeable with me. not as wishy washy as town nutella usually is. something seems off about her tone. i don't like it. i had more reasons, but no time atm. i have to go.

sloonei - i have discussed many times why i think sloonei is scum and the end of day fiasco doesn't sway me to change that.

tony - i dont have a reason to town read him, thus, he becomes a suspect.

i have to go. please talk more, we have 25 posts and it's almost end of night. burn through those with content! i'll be back before end of night

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 4:47 pm dunya feels very honest and I can understand her thought proccesses just fine.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

no way you have no reservations about me in a game where we are t/t lmao. you and nutella bad?

i'm surprised you didn't include a sloonei blurb there when he's been a big vocal point for most of us. you started by saying his tone was mean and scum reading him for it. do you feel bad about it? feels like real guilt there.

i need nanook to clarify what he means about red checking sig. why is he asking him to roleclaim? i have a moral dilemma in believing sig would have pushed mp that far if he was mafia and mp wasn't. i think it went beyond what is acceptable in a mafia game. color me naive, but that's where i stand.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 3:21 pm How are you guys getting like 5 scum reads? That's a bit strange.

why? my towncore is smaller than i thought.

i will move nanook to town pile though, even though i still am not sure about his claim on sig before further elaboration.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 03, 2020 7:57 pm I'm actually feeling pretty good about Turnip here overall fwiw. He feels very genuine to me.

samesies.

i feel worst about ddl and nutella atm in that order. nutella considering end of day 1 and her tony vote will look even worse if sig is indeed bad.

and also, sorry ddl, i saw you did mention sloonei. i read the thread in reverse, whoopsies.

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would lynch today:
ddl
nutella
sig (if nanook is certain)
gman gman hasn't given me much to work with. i don't feel someone's authenticity unless i can relate to the thought process or see it happen in live time and i've seen neither so.

ppl i feel are genuine:
russti in his suspicions of me sound just like how i would suspect someone. feels authentic townie paranoia and im ok with it.
mp, town imo
turnip, town
nanook, town
speedchuck, probably town

that leaves only tony and sloonei i think. i wouldn't lynch sloonei today till i see more of him. i don't get bad vibes from tony, but im wary of town reading him since a lot of people seem to have him in scum piles. he's a light town read (hehe see, i added a level of towniness there for russti).

alright cool, we'll all lynch sig end of day. now can we play mafia cos im sure sig has teammates.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:28 am Hey dunya what specifically triggered your change of mind in Russ? Just curious as to the progression.

glad you asked. his last post. he's clearly tunneling me and focused on "dunya dunya dunya" and spinning a negative light to everything i do and say. i attribute this behavior to town more than scum. he wants to nitpick everything i do and show malice intent behind it. he's connecting people who could be my teammates before i even flip lol. i dunno, i've just never seen a scum tunnel a townie before when there were much lower hanging fruits around. no one but him suspects me: if he was mafia, it would be easier to nk me than get me mislynched this way.

what do you think of him?

i mean, if sig is mafia he's treated you the same way so maybe i AM wrong and the mafia team have all picked 1 person to tunnel the fuck out of in the thread

also hi speedchuck. what are your thoughts on anyone other than sig. top three "i feel bad about you" people?

lol i dont even know what to say
this has been a very long day
let's all try to read each other
and not talk past one another

mafia is usually a good time
but emotions are running strong
i blame quarantine for the crime
excuses aside, it's still wrong

let's be kinder and give a fuck
about each other today
and with a little bit of luck
we catch scum i pray

now these are my 4 rhymes today
because i had no idea
jiggies are permanent they say
oh my, mamma mia

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:41 am Yeah I have consistently thought he’s being genuine, although my gut has some doubts during the night phase apparently, so I’ll try to resolve those.

can you tell me more about these doubts if they're still there? where do they stem from, what triggered them?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 11:43 am I don't HAVE to suspect you in a game every time.

i agree, but you're also not someone who doesn't go back and forth on reads with paranoia. i'm not seeing the regular level of town ddl paranoia i'm used to.

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 12:45 pm Claiming is such a lame way to play. Especially when nanook isnt even claiming.

he isn't going to claim his role before you do, so that your alibi matches his role. that's not how it works. the accused first, like he said, then he'll claim his role. i'm gonna take sig's absence and refusal to claim as a sign of guilt at this point.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 1:45 pm I would also peg G-man as a potential teamie, based pretty much solely on his D1 vote. My gut gives me some hesitation on that one, though, as does the fact that Epi was NK'ed: anyone else think it was really weird choice, given that Epi could've been expected to take a lot of heat for his D1 vote? He also had been attracting some attention D1 (on purpose, as we now know).

what do you think of nutella's d1 vote?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 04, 2020 2:23 pm Cool, you need just one more now.

my mom's birthday is today
so i won't be here
i fear
i can't stay till eod

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 9:15 am I wanna sheep on Sloon's G-Man case. Wasn't suspecting G-Man that much but he wasn't a strong green either. Sloon makes good points. G-Man is saying a lot without commiting to anything.

g-man's responses all feel calculated to me. i agree with everything you said about sig tbh, but his reaction to nanook is also not helping town.

i get sig's frustration, lynched day 1 whether he's town or mafia. i expect he'd be even angrier to be lynched day 1 as mafia without getting a chance to play.

i'm more concerned with all the people he town leaned on. TH, DDL, nutella and Russti. statistics says he's gotta have put a mafioso in there.

he was wordiest when talking about you. usually that's a good thing if he's mafia. like he wants to poke, but not poke enough to engage the dragon.

people he didn't mention at all are gman, tony and speed in that post. worth noting perhaps.

yes, as i said in my multiquote post (yay), his reaction of silence is one i scum lean on at this point.

i had a big town-lean on him before this stuff with nanook tbh but maybe for unethical, angle-shooting reasons.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:05 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:02 pm Like how fucking hard is it to say “I’m VT” jfc

I have zero remorse

You tried to bully him into claiming and now you're victim blaming him lol. I'm glad your gambit didn't work tbh.

yeah fuck this. i don't like this type of game play at all. gross.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:00 pm Day 2 has ended.

Another day ends and my what a pleasure
Off goes that hippo with his oh so precious treasure
Now Banjo and birdie are as clueless as ever
Who can deny that Grunty's the most clever?

sig was lynched. He was:

Spoiler: show

You are Captain Blubber.



You have no special abilities.

You gain one Jiggy if you survive Day 1 and another one after each ensuing odd-numbered day phase.

You are aligned with the civilians and win the game when all mafia members are eliminated.

Night 2 is underway. You have 24 hours to get your actions to me. I'll update post count ceilings shortly. And I hope correctly.

so nanook had shit all on sig and just bullied him out of the thread while fake claiming to have a red peak on him? and no one's discussing that?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:35 pm DDL/Nanook/Nutella mafia? I think it's possible.

yes, but maybe switch one of them for gman. and not nutella. nutella is definitely scum.

Russtifinko wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:36 pm Linki: TH, argue with DDL all you want about how to play the game. You guys are fighting and I get that. But is it really unreasonable for me (or anyone for that matter) to ask you to make some contribution, whatever it may be, no matter how small, to trying to find baddies? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that not what you signed up for?

wow this is very discouraging. TH is one of my strongest town reads. everyone from day 1 has been shitting on how they are playing by claiming they aren't doing enough. stop putting them down with the sarcasm and condesending tone. this is how some people play, they don't have to play the way you expect them to, they don't have to post newspaper texts and huge cases for you all, and if you can't make out the tons of contributions and reads they've been pulling out since day 1, then that's on you, cos i see them loud and clear.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:43 pm Like I feel my posts aren't really being read and that's whats frustrating. It makes me feel misunderstood when I feel like I am making clear and salient points that are being ignored, and the reaction to me is that I'm not doing enough

i see you

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 6:07 pm What is everyone's read on G-man?

town

Why?

Like I said, he just feels like regular ol G-Man to me. I don't understand/agree with the case.

You said this before I posted my case.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 7:46 pm Nutella is indeed bad.

yes, i agree.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 9:03 pm I guess sig being vanilla confuses that idea a little, since I'm not sure what kind of ability nanook would have in that scenario. hm

this method and ruins the game for townies. he made us waste a whole day thinking "we netted sig in the bag" because he had suspicions of him day 1, which is kinda selfish. if nanook is bad, i'll tip my hat. if he's town, i don't care how many scum he caught that way in the last game, that ruins the game for townies and is no fun.

nutella defending gman so much is a hard pill to swallow when i saw them w/w. but i'm gonna blame sloonei for making her talk about gman basically.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 9:11 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 9:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 05, 2020 9:03 pm I guess sig being vanilla confuses that idea a little, since I'm not sure what kind of ability nanook would have in that scenario. hm

this method and ruins the game for townies. he made us waste a whole day thinking "we netted sig in the bag" because he had suspicions of him day 1, which is kinda selfish. if nanook is bad, i'll tip my hat. if he's town, i don't care how many scum he caught that way in the last game, that ruins the game for townies and is no fun.

I don't think that's what happened. Or at least, I never considered sig to be "in the bag." I viewed nanook's claim as a play to get sig talking. sig's response was to not talk. That is why I was on board with the lynch.

no, it wasn't to get sig talking it was to get sig to ROLE CLAIM. why do you think it's fair to do that then? i think nanook should role claim now or prepare to be lynched.

sloonei why is ddl such a strong town read for you, please? if you've already addressed this, you can ignore me. i'm still catching up with the thread.

i like ddl more this end of phase than i did before, i admit, which is why i wanted your take on things. i'll narrow down my suspects tonight to:

G-Man
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
nutella
Russtifinko

it's late, i'll look into them all tomorrow and leave a few words. nutella and gman are my biggest scum reads. nanook left a very bad taste in my mouth, not gonna lie. and something about russtifiniko feels less authentic and more fabricated when i iso him and read him.