The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:58 pm i will say that i subbed into this game completely on a whim without realizing how large it was AND i have another game starting within a week that’s also kind of big

i tend to thrive in smaller games and feel out of my element subbing into such a massive thread so i don’t expect myself to become an obvious villager quickly or nail immediately nail wolves left and right. if it happens it happens but don’t hold your breath

I completely sympathise with this. I too thrive in smaller games.

I don’t know what slanking is. I feel like it may have been asked so perhaps I forgot

I got nothing for Dom yet. Hope we get more content from him soon.
This game must be really tough to enter at this point. I really feel for him and Hally

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:49 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:48 pm I got nothing for Dom yet. Hope we get more content from him soon.
This game must be really tough to enter at this point. I really feel for him and Hally

Only if you're Maf

I usually don’t like to sub into any games because I hate catching up. This one? I wouldn’t even need to see the role. My answer would be no. Too many pages

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm I am 0% opposed to an AL_sama chop.

The most significant thing for me there is my old policy of letting first-timers have more than one day, but I think I have moved on from that. As long as we show our newcomers respect and a welcoming environment, we ought to play the game with winning interests. Chop the suspects.

I used to be of the same mind. Give newcomers time, but if they do something suspicious they re fair game.
I think we are in good position for this lynch

I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

Is mason a role?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

What about Al?

Posts haven’t seen especially townie, but not my top suspect. I wouldn’t be opposed to the lynch, but not sure I’d be ready to vote there

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:13 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm Is mason a role?

Yeah. Masons are civilians that know each other and usually have BTSC.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:14 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:12 pm Is mason a role?

yes. masons are villagers who are confirmed to each other and share btsc

Thank you both. I really need a cheat sheet for most common roles and what they are called nowadays

I just woke up, and haven’t read anything yet. But wanted to let everyone know I wouldn’t be around most of today. My daughter has a lot of activities to go to. I’ll be back in the afternoon/evening for thoughts/questions.

Hello all, I’m home now but still rather busy. Going to be trying to casually respond to things and catch up, but if there is anything you would directly like me to answer @ me so I can get to it more quickly.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:42 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm I am 0% opposed to an AL_sama chop.

The most significant thing for me there is my old policy of letting first-timers have more than one day, but I think I have moved on from that. As long as we show our newcomers respect and a welcoming environment, we ought to play the game with winning interests. Chop the suspects.

I used to be of the same mind. Give newcomers time, but if they do something suspicious they re fair game.
I think we are in good position for this lynch

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

The only time finger even says Marmot's name is in hero big player reads list post, she has him (and a lot of others) in the null/mixed feelings/bad list...which is another thing, but whatever.


Never mentioned him before, never talked about anyone else (tsp included) talking about Marmot, nothing...even tho she thinks we're in a good lynch position, implying she does think he's scummy. But if so, why never talk about it before?

Votes TSP, but a big part of this sus is that TSP moved their vote off Marmot...which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP. Again, never once quoted or engaged or really mentioned at all Marmot before, not until 1 hr to lynch time when Marmot is a clear fav to be eliminated.

Most of the rest of her ISO looks soft and not very game solvey, she's got kids so I get that a bit...anyone else care to take a look at her ISO, tell me what they think?

While I do have limited Marmot mentions, it is simply not true that I only mentioned him that one time, especially in relation to tsp. I’ve included some posts in spoiler tags below where I talk about Marmot in relation to tsp. You said

which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP.

. I don’t see why that would make Marmot MORE scummy than tsp. To me the logical procession would be to lynch tsp first, and then if/when they come back bad, Marmot might be teammate. Tsp was suspicious to me not just for the Marmot interaction but how they were trying to paint jjj as bad (who I think it townie) for that suspicion then later completely changed their tactic and voted Marmot for no reason.

Hello all, I’m home now but still rather busy. Going to be trying to casually respond to things and catch up, but if there is anything you would directly like me to answer @ me so I can get to it more quickly.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:42 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:57 pm I am 0% opposed to an AL_sama chop.

The most significant thing for me there is my old policy of letting first-timers have more than one day, but I think I have moved on from that. As long as we show our newcomers respect and a welcoming environment, we ought to play the game with winning interests. Chop the suspects.

I used to be of the same mind. Give newcomers time, but if they do something suspicious they re fair game.
I think we are in good position for this lynch

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:11 pm I still think tsp is most suspicious, but I think Marmot doesn’t look great, and I’m ok with that lynch as well. A lot of my suspicion of tsp stems from their talk of Marmot such as suspecting jay for voting their before calling their read on Marmot null and finally moving their vote their abruptly.

The only time finger even says Marmot's name is in hero big player reads list post, she has him (and a lot of others) in the null/mixed feelings/bad list...which is another thing, but whatever.


Never mentioned him before, never talked about anyone else (tsp included) talking about Marmot, nothing...even tho she thinks we're in a good lynch position, implying she does think he's scummy. But if so, why never talk about it before?

Votes TSP, but a big part of this sus is that TSP moved their vote off Marmot...which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP. Again, never once quoted or engaged or really mentioned at all Marmot before, not until 1 hr to lynch time when Marmot is a clear fav to be eliminated.

Most of the rest of her ISO looks soft and not very game solvey, she's got kids so I get that a bit...anyone else care to take a look at her ISO, tell me what they think?

While I do have limited Marmot mentions, it is simply not true that I only mentioned him that one time, especially in relation to tsp. I’ve included some posts in spoiler tags below where I talk about Marmot in relation to tsp. You said

which means she should have to think Marmot is at least as scummy if not more so than TSP.

. I don’t see why that would make Marmot MORE scummy than tsp. To me the logical procession would be to lynch tsp first, and then if/when they come back bad, Marmot might be teammate. Tsp was suspicious to me not just for the Marmot interaction but how they were trying to paint jjj as bad (who I think it townie) for that suspicion then later completely changed their tactic and voted Marmot for no reason.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:37 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:30 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:18 am i think it’s unlikely w!alison works herself into a position where she’s almost surely going to be nk’d though. alison is extremely conscious of her thread position when she wolfs and i can’t really see how she would think making a claim that ensures she’ll either die or effectively be outed of she doesn’t is optimal. if she’s a wolf she knew the game was multiball. that means both teams likely have kill power. why risk drawing kp from the opposite team by making this claim? it seems unlikely

Well the joke's already been made that Alison has drawn a NK if she's town, so that's neither here nor there.

She'll get solved, so I'm past it for now.

Take a look at fingersplints ISO and tell me what you think

i don’t really think much of it. splints is poe for me but i wouldn’t really be surprised to see her flip village. shrug

I don’t mind being in anyone’s PoE for now until I have more chance to prove myself. I’m getting quite paranoid at how many people are being town cleared. It just seems like there aren’t enough people left for how many potential mafia spots there are. We should all be considering all options. There are a lot of good players in this game that can easily fool us. I’m not saying I’m ready to completely abandon any good feelings I have, but just that I’m open to exploring all possibilities.

@falcon45ca my view on tsp remains unchanged. Still my my strongest suspect.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:12 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:44 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:37 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:30 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 10:18 am i think it’s unlikely w!alison works herself into a position where she’s almost surely going to be nk’d though. alison is extremely conscious of her thread position when she wolfs and i can’t really see how she would think making a claim that ensures she’ll either die or effectively be outed of she doesn’t is optimal. if she’s a wolf she knew the game was multiball. that means both teams likely have kill power. why risk drawing kp from the opposite team by making this claim? it seems unlikely

Well the joke's already been made that Alison has drawn a NK if she's town, so that's neither here nor there.

She'll get solved, so I'm past it for now.

Take a look at fingersplints ISO and tell me what you think

i don’t really think much of it. splints is poe for me but i wouldn’t really be surprised to see her flip village. shrug

I don’t mind being in anyone’s PoE for now until I have more chance to prove myself. I’m getting quite paranoid at how many people are being town cleared. It just seems like there aren’t enough people left for how many potential mafia spots there are. We should all be considering all options. There are a lot of good players in this game that can easily fool us. I’m not saying I’m ready to completely abandon any good feelings I have, but just that I’m open to exploring all possibilities.

POEs aren't static and change as the game goes on and the bar to be a confirmed town becomes higher and higher. The way you are approaching this game is disorderly. You do not begin by trying to uncover the deepwolf or throwing mistrust across the town. It is never the case that we will try to hero shot out the deepwolf before resolving slots like ted or TSP. Rather, you begin by methodically resolving every slot in the POE. Some will flip scum, others will no doubt flip town. Using that information from the POE flips, you are then able to begin extracting the deepwolf from the towncore by repeatedly raising the bar to be townie over and over. Currently we are in the mode of solving where we issue townreads freely and easily. For example I am giving the Canucks players a two or three day pass to produce results. Once the easy exes dwindle, we use the information gleaned from those exes to analyze the remaining players. Deepwolves are not solved with blind guessing, but rather more information.

tl;dr - townclear freely for now, change your mind if/when the POE runs dry.

I think you are misconstruing my approach here. I’m in no way saying “let’s lynch some of the townie reads tomorrow in hopes of getting a deep wolf!” Nor am I in any way in favour of resolving anyone before tsp or ted. Tsp especially as I am not sure my brain will move on completely until I get an answer there.
As for some of the rest I think I’m going to just have to leave it as open to different approaches. I don’t see how it’s so “disorderly” to allow yourself to question your top town reads. Again, I’m not saying vote for them right away, but as you said PoE changes and that only happens by questioning your town reads as well.

@JaggedJimmyJay what do you think we should do about Dom? I don’t know how to read him from such little content. I mean this thread is a lot, but how much time do we give? I don’t want to give someone not posting a free pass either. I don’t know the answer here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:52 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:49 pm @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think we should do about Dom? I don’t know how to read him from such little content. I mean this thread is a lot, but how much time do we give? I don’t want to give someone not posting a free pass either. I don’t know the answer here

I don't hold his disinterest in keeping up with this game against him. I kind of expected that once it became clear he wouldn't make it here until it was already an exploded game.

Likewise I don't give him a pass. He's a candidate to be mafia in that I have no reason to call him a civilian.

I guess we cross the Dom bridge when we get to it.
(As in maybe once all the obvious suspects are gone, before we start turning on the more town reads) I don’t know

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:05 pm tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

Wasn’t there some talk of someone being a mason earlier? It couldn’t have been Mac since his role said he couldn’t talk about it.
I don’t remember much of the conversation because I wasn’t familiar with the term.

What is a soupkill?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:17 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:09 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:05 pm tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

why?

Same reasons I voted yesterday. Still my #1 suspect

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:10 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:09 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:17 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:09 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:05 pm tony is a wolf btw

I planned on voting this way today anyways but you seem more confident now

why?

Same reasons I voted yesterday. Still my #1 suspect

Refresh my memory please, if you could.

Mainly early suspect of jay for marmot vote, before changing attitude on jay and voting marmot with no reason given. No post since have inspired me with any confidence. Could believe being Marmots teammate. Could believe being the other team. Think is the best bet to get a wolf at this point.

What part specifically would you like me to rephrase? I just woke up so my wording might be suffering
My early suspicion stemmed from him trying to start suspicion on Jay for voting Marmot. When that failed to get anyone to agree, he said his read on Marmot was null before immediately voting their for no reason. I’ve seen you say that you don’t believe him to be Marmot’s teammate, but I still think early interactions could make that true. Even if not Marmot’s teammate, he is a high candidate for the other team as well, as he could have been just getting on an easy lynch. The switch didn’t sit well with me. Since, basically I can’t see their posts as posts a town would make. They have been unhelpful and all over the place. Like I’m catching up some reading now and this part of forming a second towncore with LC Right now, I think tsp is our best chance at finding a mafia.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:37 am if the two people who are playing the catching up game are on the same team than the third member of that team cannot be dom and THATS and obfuscative TSP read to end the thread on GOOD NIGHT

I really don’t know what you are on about here. People need to work, sleep, do other things. How else are they supposed to know what’s going on without catching up?

You say you aren’t trying to derail the thread and want to be asked questions instead of people just saying you are “lock mafia.” But I don’t think that’s an accurate assessment to either. You have been asked loads of questions, and I don’t see how your actions aren’t derailing.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:46 am the catching up game is something else catching up is important people should read the thread

Ok what is the “catching up game”

So al is playing the “catching up game” you think?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 5:48 am I will answer, Al has experience with nova's games and super kills are common place. They are kills that bypass protections

I apologise if this has already been addressed and I missed it or forgot, but do you have a lot of experience with Al from games on other sites?

I just remembered some things I wanted to comment on.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:10 pm Fingersplints might just be, actually. Yes, I do think fingersplints is mafia.

This reads like you are trying to talk yourself into this suspicion because you think it looks good for you. Later you call it “less tailgatey” (or some term similar) but plenty of people have already mentioned me, so it’s hardly an original suspicion.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:15 pm I want to answer GTH fingersplints scum. She has been just a little too questiony and a little too careful. Or too polite. Something set me off about her posts more than once, even though I know that each term she asked about was something she genuinely didn't know.

So you think my questions are genuine but suspicious? That doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
As far as being careful and polite, I was very aware that when I returned to mafia at this time that I was doing so at a time when my moods are quite explosive, and I am determined not to bring any hormonal outrage into any thread I am in. I don’t want to make any game not fun, so there have been multiple times in each game I’ve played where I’ve stepped away for something stupid annoying me. You can confirm with keys post game if you’d like that the littlest things set me off

I personally think it’s too early to say if the game is unbalanced or to say the town is inherently disadvantaged. I think we are in a good position right now. Yes, we lost Jay and Mac, but we also lynched a wolf day 1 and I think are in good position to lynch another. Maybe I’m just being optimistic, but I believe some of the abilities will balance it out.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:32 am Fos at fingersplints for speculating game balance.
Why is this your concern?

My game balance speculation was posted directly after Esooa’s game balance speculation post.
My concern about it was that Esooa, who have been reading as town thus far, sounded a bit annoyed/defeated by the balance with the “ugh I don’t mean to be rude to the host” and the like, and I just don’t think we are there yet. As I said, I think we are in a good position still. I’d rather the town keep positive

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:49 am Also Hally is claimed masons with Mac. Nobody else has counterclaimed therefore they must be the real Peggy.

Was it hard to tell me this Hally?

iirc from Mac’s role, it didn’t seem like him or his partner (Hally) are allowed to talk about it

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:11 pm

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Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Im probably not the one you were looking to to answer this, but we are both returning from a long break, so the quantity of our posting isn’t much of a surprise to many in a game of this size. I feel I’ve been talked about quite a bit lately. There is just stronger suspects right now.

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Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Im probably not the one you were looking to to answer this, but we are both returning from a long break, so the quantity of our posting isn’t much of a surprise to many in a game of this size. I feel I’ve been talked about quite a bit lately. There is just stronger suspects right now.

Who are the stronger suspects to you & why? Give us 3 "prime suspects" of yours plz

TSP is far and away my greatest suspect. I unfortunately have a bit of tunnel vision there, where I find his posts distracting me from scum hunting properly til it’s resolved. I need to spend some more time on other people to completely formulate precisely what it is that bothers me about them but this is to the best of my ability from memory.
I think the case on ted has merit. I was in process of rereading posts there and I really found them lacking. A lot of quantity there and not much to them. I hope to have more thoughts on this another time
I think Al is potentially scum. Some of their recent posts seem to be trying to stir up trouble about some of the cleared players. Like in terms of “why is Alison not doing this” “why is she even lock clear” “why did tutuu dip”. I’m pretty sure they said they were caught up, so it doesn’t seem productive to be putting doubt on those players right now. I’ve never played with this player before, and it’s their first game here but it seems from comments they have enough experience

I know you only asked for three, but I’m also starting to consider LC more. I don’t buy his frustration is from his towny self. I said I blocked him last game I played with him and his response in the thread was like “lol shit even if vote for me!” Much better humoured then some of this. Maybe he’s having a bad day, but some of his recent posts about me have caught my attention too. (I commented to them earlier)
I’m also concerned about Dom. Not a line of thought I’m actively pursuing right now in light of stronger lynch candidates, but they’ve given us nothing and more been replaced. At some point we have to make a read there and I just don’t see how we can. I was excited to see Dom on the players list, but I don’t want to give anyone a free pass

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Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Im probably not the one you were looking to to answer this, but we are both returning from a long break, so the quantity of our posting isn’t much of a surprise to many in a game of this size. I feel I’ve been talked about quite a bit lately. There is just stronger suspects right now.

How long was your break?
What do you like in this game (in general)? Fav alignament? Scumhunting methods? Link to last game?
Thanks

My break was 5 years long. I have since my break, played two very small games. G-mans “not really a mafia” game, where we didn’t realise until game over we were all mafia. That game I claimed my role of blocker early on, and was trusted/followed some from the lack of kills. Then I played Sloonei’s bee mafia where I was given a gun (something that only a townie could get) and that confirmed me. Those two games are by far the most trusted I have ever been in a mafia game my entire career. I’ve struggled more this game due to its size and complexity.

I’m confused as to the next question because it says this game then in general? In this game, no offence to the hose because it’s a perfectly good game but I’ve liked not a lot. It’s very tough for me to keep up. In general, I have a hard time pinpointing what I like about mafia. It’s like an addiction. Fleeting bits of fun followed by a lot of regret about tons of time wasting.
In my mafia history (which is the past 10 years or so) I most prefer hosting or being mafia. I think I’m a pretty lousy townie as I don’t think I have any great scum hunting methods. I don’t keep track of anything and play based on gut reactions. I don’t do well with complex games, as it’s too much for me to pay attention to.

I’m playing from my phone (which is where I play all my mafia from) so linking to another game is hard. Maybe @Sloonei or someone will help me out and link the bee mafia, but again that game was much smaller so I felt much more in my element there

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:42 pm i’m kinda shocked town doesn’t have a vig in this setup. having two wolf kp and no village kp seems kinda questionable to me

Why do you think there is no vig?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:01 pm ted can I be blunt with you?

Unless you reveal as innocent child or something similar there is very little that you can do at this point to convince the town that their suspicion of you is wrong. You've been doing this self defense stuff since Night 1 and nobody has been swayed. If you are town, the best way to play to your win condition is to just hunt like a normal person, and leave a strong legacy for town to sheep. People in the POE always have better reads because they have a free cop check on themselves. So if you are town use that to your advantage and give us strong reads to fall back on after you die rather than struggling against an outcome that won't change.

exactly, i know i'm gonna die here for bad reasons

my reads won't really matter in the bigger scheme of things

Your reads only wouldn’t matter after your death if you are revealed to be bad as Alison just explained why you should still post for legacy

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:11 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:07 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:42 pm i’m kinda shocked town doesn’t have a vig in this setup. having two wolf kp and no village kp seems kinda questionable to me

Why do you think there is no vig?

because there was no vig shot last night unless the vig went off the rails and shot mac/jay

it’s also possible they got blocked or something. we shall see

Also possible it was a player who wasn’t around. I don’t know if anyone else besides Dom would fit that profile and it’s kind of a long shot. As you said we will see.

Is it possible it’s just a one shot vig? I don’t know what is the trend for vig these days in mafia

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:21 pm Feels like finger just straight up pulled players from my POE

They are the pretty common PoE players minus myself and nanook. Most are general consensus to be scummy. It’s not something I would have to specifically copy from you. The thread speaks for itself

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:21 pm Feels like finger just straight up pulled players from my POE

right so I went back to find your PoE that I supposedly “straight up pulled players from”

This is what I found:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:07 pm I'm very much in favour of TSP, Ted, Al Sama, Nanook POE this RD

I mentioned TSP, ted, al, LC, and Dom. So I don’t see how they are exactly alike, when the only ones we share in common are the three that are mostly general consensus at this point.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:33 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:27 pm Michelle - what do you think of Al's push on me?

seems pretty weird to me generally speaking, his most confident scum read on d1 is someone that "isn't tunneling" so he's mafia", even though I believe he's seen me play as a mafia before and I'm usually even more tunnely as mafia on AB

there's almost no post that he read from my iso and thought "this looks weird"

@AL_sama you could clarify this as well

but before saying anything, how did you catch up on the game? did you read the entire thread? or how did you read the game

They said in one of their last posts they read “pretty much most of it”

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:47 am

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:45 am

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:21 am

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:19 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:06 am

AL_sama wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:45 am I m 12 pages behind so I'd love it if someone could tell me whats going on while I catch up

Read the next 12 pages and give us your summary, thoughts and your reads

well I m reading but tell me something is it usual for tututu dip like this??

hi, tutuu didn’t dip. i replaced her

ah I missed that

how much of the thread have you read? what are your thoughts?

pretty much most of it

I've noticed something that no one really brought up yet

alison have been kinda trying to avoid lynching ted to an extent and I wanna know why??

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:36 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:23 pm Let's talk about the dynamic between Strawhenge and Michelle.

I read it as two players whose playstyles grate against each other, but ultimately they're both villager. Does anyone else have thoughts about this? Those two have been quietly going at it hammer and tongs in the background while we talk about other stuff.

Yeah, it feels like a clash of playstyles.

I also read it as a clash of play styles, but less confident it’s v/v. Strawhenge I’ve been leaning town on, Michelle is tbd right now for me.

Ok?

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:46 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 1:44 pm Ok?

I am ESL and still i don't repeat what other players are posting.

Why don't you risk a read?

What the fuck is that supposed to mean? I don’t need to “risk a read” I have read.

Here is the last time I’m pretty sure I mentioned my thoughts on Strawhenge and you

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:30 pm @JaggedJimmyJay I need some more work on the last group, but right now this is where I feel right now. Sorry making dinner and can’t do colours

These people I feel very good about
JJJ
Sloonei
Alison
Falcon
Strawhenge

These people I feel good/ok about right now
Esooa
BoKnows
JPIC

This person has not posted
Dom

These people I feel ok but sometimes wary about due to posting styles
Nanook
Long Con

I don’t remember what the term PoE that you all keep using means but perhaps it’s applicable here. This group I either have mild bad feelings about or are neutral to the point of wary/need revisiting.
Tedextr
Staypositivefriend
Oddmerta
KZA
MacDougall
Marmot
Tutuu
Michelle
Al Sama

This person right now is my biggest suspect
TSP

Notice how strawhenge is town and you are in the need revisiting category. Did I go back in time after I copied Sloonei today to post this?

I’ve wasted so much time on this today and I’m so fucking livid with that “risk a read” that I doubt I’ll be back today.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 6:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:22 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:21 am Sloonei sloonei sloonei, why you no vote ted or tsp?

Because nanook said he townreads fingersplints and I think that's a weird read so I want to give him a chance to shield her.

What did you make of Fingers ragey reaction to Falcon when he accused her of "copying" his PoE and suspects?

Hello all,

That reaction was to Michelle, but I guess falcon was a part of it too as he did the copy thing first and then she did moments later. It’s getting increasingly more frustrating to put hours and hours into reading a thread only to be told “you’re copying. Go read the thread!” I’m trying as hard as I can but it still doesn’t seem good enough. In any normal game I’ve ever played, having as many posts as I do would be considered a great contribution. Had I known having almost 100 posts early day 2 would make me a low posting suspect, I certainly would not have signed up.

I have mentioned a few times that I am pregnant and hormonal, just in case I had a reaction like this so it wouldn’t be too surprising.

I’m once again going to be casually reading the thread today as I do some stuff around the house. Im not avoiding the thread, but I’m still dealing with the aftermath of a massive water leak earlier this year. So as mafia fatigued I am, reading the thread would probably still be preferable to my to do list today.

My thoughts have not changed since my last (“copied”) thoughts. I’m not sure they will change at all today until we are given some new information.

If anyone has any specific questions for me that they wish answered right away ask them again because I have missed them.
If anyone would like to give me a run down of the nanook case it would be greatly appreciated. I haven’t much experience there but their posting seems pretty standard to the limited townie experience I have with them.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 9:31 am I don't think the Ted yeet is s foregone conclusion. I haven't looked at the poll though.

Who accused fingersplints for "low posting"?

I don’t know that someone said direct quote “fingersplints has been low posting” but there has been mentions of me not contributing as much. I’m not going to reread the thread to find them for you

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:24 am That's it, I town shield you now. Anyone that tries to scumread you I will show them straight to the stand

Ok @Long Con I found one example for you. Here Michelle wants to talk about low posters.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:11 pm

Spoiler: show

Who posted? - This is a list of all members who posted in this topic
UsernamePosts
JaggedJimmyJay573
Sloonei460
Alison454
BoKnows440
TonyStarkPrime414
MacDougall399
Hally384
tutuu330
Esooa296
Long Con251
Justplayingitcool226
KZA213
tedxtr212
falcon45ca203
staypositivefriend192
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME156
Marmot152
Oddmerta122
Michelle114
Strawhenge98
fingersplints82
AL_sama53
novaselinenever7
Dom6
Master Radishes2

Who is lower than me in posts number except Al, who I know is low poster by meta, is suspicious for me.
No one talks about Straw and Fingers, can I know why?
Nanook is in the same tier because he is easy posting one liners as villager, flooding the thread with a specific kind of joy.

Again there may be other instances where the phrasing is more “need to hear more from” “need to contribute more” instead of just “low poster” but I don’t have time to search the thread for every instance.

What are you hoping to gain from that question?

Ok you made me laugh again @Long Con
I was considering your motivation was that you were just poking at an obviously sore subject. Your response has satisfied me for now, but I’m not 100% that it’s completely genuine and there was not scum motivated “shit stirring” in your question.