The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:08 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:07 pm I have mech knowledge that Trooper Milch is a real role and not a safe claim. I repeat, my role card confirms that Trooper Milch is a real role, aligned with the town. and not a safe claim. Oddmerta is lock town.

Do not claim flavor or abilities further. Mafia likely has a soupkill. I am probably dead tonight because I am too trusted and I have claimed PR. They might even be able to figure out my role and soupkill me from there. However I didn't want to go out without at least confirming Odd.

this is what i figured

The funny thing is I had a genuine behavior based townread on Oddmerta before he outed his flavor, which I specifically tried to make look like I was Masons with him or had a N0 green on him to see how people would react. And then he actually gave me a green check.

i realized your “godread” was probably you repping an N0 yeah

this is funny though

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:14 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:10 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:09 pm I need to finish an essay. Someone go look into all the people who tried to push Odd for being LHF.

LC did. I think TSP/ted did, can't remember which. Maybe both. Those guys are suspicious.

i pushed odd

Lucky for you you're so townie.

Who was the one who compared Odd to ChopChop? That person needs to be scrutinized.

i think it was tony?

i think we should vig al_sama if there’s a vig to see if the wagons were w/w

i would also be very down to vig ted

oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol

i thought everyone said he’s a villager?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying

weird

no it’s not

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol

i thought everyone said he’s a villager?

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama

i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm hot(?) take: strawhenge and KZA both look fairly non-aligned with marmot

i agree on straw. why kza?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying

weird

no it’s not

yes it is

no it’s not

your turn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:25 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:21 pm Falcon is probably mafia here lol

i thought everyone said he’s a villager?

had a very bizarre EOD where he tried to get Alison voted and then ended up on Al Sama

i highly doubt falcon thought anyone was seriously going to flash wagon alison

So why try?

I have Falcon as probable Marmot teammate tbh.

okay

i’m not saying he’s not. i’m just saying regardless of his alignment i highly doubt he thought anyone would listen to him and vote alison. he could still be a wolf

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm and like "says al sama is wolfy" is not a particularly strong statement here :P

i don’t understand what you’re saying

if a confirmed villager and the only person itg who knows al says they’re wolfy we should kill them

i don’t get why that’s a controversial statement to you

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:24 pm hot(?) take: strawhenge and KZA both look fairly non-aligned with marmot

i agree on straw. why kza?

it's almost entirely this post:

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:16 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:14 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

I don't think I have been? I'm not worried about him right now so no reason to redact the read anyway

Maybe that wasn't the right word. I saw you called him town multiple times, but I couldn't find an explanation before.

His early case on Alison seemed like a reasonable Sloonei thought even if I didn't really agree with it

This is a reasonable KZA thought.

i formed the strong impression throughout the entirety of the day that marmot did not know what to post. he seemed stuck and relatively frozen. the posts that he made around the post that i quoted were his attempts to "anchor" himself into the game, so to speak

if marmot was trying to anchor himself into the game, then i think he's much more likely to quote a post from a villager and say "yeah, this is reasonable" instead of quoting a post from his teammate. wolves usually do not try to anchor themselves into games by directly engaging with their teammates - they usually do the opposite

i might not be explaining this the best, but i do think it makes kza/marmot look reasonably non aligned

gotcha. i thought something similar-ish when i was isoing marmot like 15 min ago. my thought was if marmot os a wolf villa reading a teammate, he probably would want to have a better reason to do it than “seems reasonable.” generally teammates like to have good reasons to call each other villagers

i don’t think it’s particularly strong though. the straw stuff is stronger to me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:32 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:30 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:28 pm and like "says al sama is wolfy" is not a particularly strong statement here :P

i don’t understand what you’re saying

if a confirmed villager and the only person itg who knows al says they’re wolfy we should kill them

i don’t get why that’s a controversial statement to you

wait we should kill al sama or we should kill odd

al sama lol

spf is at the very least not teammates with marmot

i would like to be she’s a villager but multiball makes it difficult to say that with any certainty

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:23 pm oddmerta is a confirmed villager, knows al_sama and says al_sama is wolfy

they’re dying

ok can you see how I could have been confused here :P

yes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm i need to present my "Life Motto" to my coworkers in a work meeting in an hour. i have absolutely zero idea what quote i should put. does anyone have any suggestions?

this is totally serious. i am at a loss.

“i’m gay”

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Out of all the names marmot could choose he picked Long Con.

w/w possibility

i actually think the opposite

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:39 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:38 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm i need to present my "Life Motto" to my coworkers in a work meeting in an hour. i have absolutely zero idea what quote i should put. does anyone have any suggestions?

this is totally serious. i am at a loss.

"send it"

im gay

lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:41 pmI like Jess

who doesn’t

i don’t really se what’s so bad about splints’ posts. seems like she could easily be a low-impact overwhelmed villager. i’m not going to shield her but nothing really screams wolf to me

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:04 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:02 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:00 pm well judging off of that post he's probably mafia

Does a teammate!ted w/ marmot make this post when his teammate is about to die? I remain unconvinced

What would his teammate say in that position?

Marmot was outed, it's not like he can defend him. The truth is too obvious to ignore. He has to admit it.

I would expect him not to say anything

that’s not a good expectation. ted was in the thread. he’s obviously going to comment on it regardless of his role

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:07 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:06 pm i don’t really se what’s so bad about splints’ posts. seems like she could easily be a low-impact overwhelmed villager. i’m not going to shield her but nothing really screams wolf to me

I don't think anyone wants her head on a platter we're just deciding who meets the standard to be called town and who is in the POE.

There's a lot of really fucking townie people in this game so the bar is high.

i would like to kill the people alison and mac would like to kill. any questions about my reads should be forwarded to them

Tedextr
Dom
TSP
Long Con
Fingersplints
JPIC
Al Sama

who on this list doesn’t deserve to be blasted? who not on this is in need of blasting?

i’ve determined there are too many people in this game

if there isn’t like three kills a night i will be sad

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:01 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 pm Tedextr
Dom
TSP
Long Con
Fingersplints
JPIC
Al Sama

who on this list doesn’t deserve to be blasted? who not on this is in need of blasting?

I should probably be on the blast list

why?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:05 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:59 pm Tedextr
Dom
TSP
Long Con
Fingersplints
JPIC
Al Sama

who on this list doesn’t deserve to be blasted? who not on this is in need of blasting?

If everyone on this list was blasted I think there is a decent chance the game would either end or be sufficiently solved that the remaining scum would concede or be outed soon.

I continue to be ambivalent on BK but he has enough of my townreads shielding him that I am willing to compromise there especially when the list of alternatives is a mile long.

I would not clear anyone from that list.

i don’t think that jpic post “damned” marmot

jpic didn’t even say which meta he thought marmot was in. he was just describing marmot’s meta. any teammate could do that. and he didn’t vote marmot

i don’t see how that post unaligns them

@falcon45ca your tunnel of alison and insistence that she’s pulling some gambit by clearing oddmerta strains belief

alison has claimed a provable pr and is insanely villagery. if she has worked herself into a position where if she lives more than a night or two she will be outed. i highly suggest that if you’re a villager you allow her to be nk’d and drop this tunnel

what’s interesting to me is that i think ted is highly likely to be aligned with marmot and ted/al_sama do not look aligned. i suspect exactly one of ted/al_sama is teamed with marmot

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:03 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:02 pm EOD suggestion to CFD Alison? What else ya got? Since she's been, and continues to be, a scum read of mine it should've come as little surprise.


How about not buying Odds "lock clear town" thats based solely off what Alison tells us?

You got something that doesn't involve Alison?


You got something real and tangible?

Okay fine I lean scum on you now for this nonsense. What do you think Alison and Odd are up to?

Alison's PR claim early really reminds me of her Champs game recently, and Odds comes to play after NF? You damn well know what I think of that.

what champs game? what are you talking about?

falcon, what are your other reads besides alison/odd?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:17 pm My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.


Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

My new list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted


Al Sam, nanook, LC, ted, Michelle, TSP, Dom, Odd, Alison

can you talk about michelle, nanook, tony and lc?

falcon, is kza not in your poe? earlier when i asked you it seemed like you didn’t v read him

i have no idea how to read boknows. he feels like the kind of player i’d wolf read or not be able to understand regardless of his alignment

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:06 pm i am off work if anyone wants to chat about certain reads!

i will be mostly giving my brain a break from this game tonight, though. i did not realize that the thread would be open during the night and i like having that time to recharge & pull myself away from the game

could you give me just a quick sorting of names? i’m curious how much my vague impressions line up with your view of the game

thanks spf

that’s not too far off from what i’ve got

i wonder if i v read michelle too easily?

i skimmed bo’s iso in bee mafia (he was a wolf)

my impression is he seems more comfortable itt here than there. the obvious caveat is that i generally expect the wolves to be more comfortable posting knowing they can scum hunt in earnest, so take this however you want

i’m curious if the people who were in bee mafia agree with this

one thing to note is that just because wolves can hunt for the other team genuinely doesn’t necessarily mean they’ll post like villagers. marmot was genuinely trying to figure out who was on the opposite team but he was not posting like a villager and and it was readily apparent. there’s a certain mindset people get into when they have a wolf role pm that i think is separate from any scum hunting they do. when people have a wolf role pm they FEEL like they’re bad, and that should come out in their posts

what i’m saying is, the fact that this game is multiball should make us exercise caution with our reads especially for people who are good at faking a villagery tone/mindset as a wolf. but there should probably be a limit to that caution. i think often villagery people will just be villagers and we shouldn’t get toooooo paranoid, or at least not yet

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:40 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:40 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:35 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 9:56 pm @KZA why are you so staunch in your townread of Sloonei?

Lots of people are, why's his townread notable?

I was ISOing KZA and I noticed instances of stating a townread of Sloonei but not explanation for it.

I think it drew my attention a little more because the three of us had a lot of interactions in Fallout Mafia, and in particular, Sloonei voiced strong scumreads of each of us at one point in the game, and I was concerned that KZA was attempting to pocket him early in this game after that happened there.

This is real. Neither of them are aligned to Marmot. Certain of this.

i agree

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:41 pm I feel like Marmot might have spewed BoKnows his mafia partner tbh

elaborate?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:42 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

actually, i am unsure if marmot would be so blatant about protecting his partner like this. it feels like a theatrical defensive and im not sure marmot would bust out the theatre to defend his partner who was barely even under pressure

yeah

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:44 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:41 pm I feel like Marmot might have spewed BoKnows his mafia partner tbh

elaborate?

Marmot pushed onto Bo a fair bit but provided no foundation for the push and it was never real, nor was he really attempting to push him he was just attempting to make it look like he was. And Bo was doing it back to him.

hmmmmmm

i would very much like to kill ted

does anyone object to this?

i almost wondered if ted’s treatment of marmot is too awful for them to be teammates and that ted might try to cover his tracks more as a wolf

then i remembered how obviously aligned he looked with lc in seventh saga and have decided i don’t care and he needs to die

i think he’s someone that generally tries to powerwolf when he’s a wolf and especially with marmot’s role being very good, i expect ted would try to protect him

ted’s progression on marmot doesn’t make any sense to me. he villa reads marmot for ??? reasons and constantly pushes back on the suspicion there. then at EoD he votes marmot. i cannot find where in his iso he shifted from not wanting to kill marmot to wanting him dead. his looks like a naked attempt to grab cred once marmot was clearly dying. again, it almost feels too wolfy to be a wolf but i think he absolutely has to die

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:51 pm i think i'll be voting marmot over al

I could find absolutely zero direct references to Al_sama in Tedxtr's ISO

On the other hand, I could find several direct references to Marmot in Ted's ISO. Ted ISO'd Marmot and concluded that he was a villager (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 70#p762270), and he spent a large portion of d1 defending him.

In spite of that, Ted decided to vote for the person that he had previously made a towncase on over the person that he had no direct interactions with whatsoever

Why?

ding ding ding

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:19 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:03 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:02 pm EOD suggestion to CFD Alison? What else ya got? Since she's been, and continues to be, a scum read of mine it should've come as little surprise.


How about not buying Odds "lock clear town" thats based solely off what Alison tells us?

You got something that doesn't involve Alison?


You got something real and tangible?

Okay fine I lean scum on you now for this nonsense. What do you think Alison and Odd are up to?

Alison's PR claim early really reminds me of her Champs game recently, and Odds comes to play after NF? You damn well know what I think of that.

what champs game? what are you talking about?

He is referring to GOC which was a very large game (the longest in Syndicate history) where I won as a hostile 3P by claiming benign 3P at the start of D1 and lolcatting until my win condition got fulfilled.

@falcon45ca how is that remotely similar to anything alison has done this game? the only parallel is “alison claimed something.” but claiming 3P is not the same as claiming a provable pr with a green check on someone. iirc you said you have other reasons to suspect alison? what are they?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:58 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:56 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:51 pm i think i'll be voting marmot over al

I could find absolutely zero direct references to Al_sama in Tedxtr's ISO

On the other hand, I could find several direct references to Marmot in Ted's ISO. Ted ISO'd Marmot and concluded that he was a villager (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 70#p762270), and he spent a large portion of d1 defending him.

In spite of that, Ted decided to vote for the person that he had previously made a towncase on over the person that he had no direct interactions with whatsoever

Why?

^^^can i get a sanity check on how bad this looks?

i feel like it's practically outing for ted

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:52 pm i almost wondered if ted’s treatment of marmot is too awful for them to be teammates and that ted might try to cover his tracks more as a wolf

then i remembered how obviously aligned he looked with lc in seventh saga and have decided i don’t care and he needs to die

i think he’s someone that generally tries to powerwolf when he’s a wolf and especially with marmot’s role being very good, i expect ted would try to protect him

ted’s progression on marmot doesn’t make any sense to me. he villa reads marmot for ??? reasons and constantly pushes back on the suspicion there. then at EoD he votes marmot. i cannot find where in his iso he shifted from not wanting to kill marmot to wanting him dead. his looks like a naked attempt to grab cred once marmot was clearly dying. again, it almost feels too wolfy to be a wolf but i think he absolutely has to die

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:03 pm here's a hot take: tedxtr voted for marmot over Al_sama because he is teamed with Al_sama, but not with Marmot

i don't know how much i actually believe this, but it is a thought in my mind

i don’t really think ted and al look like teammates