The Syndicate

Sprityo, what's your stance on Elochin?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 6:37 pm Vote TonyStarkPrime

I'm assuming this counts even though Jack didn't vote in the poll.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:13 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:05 pm RAAAAAAAINBOW LIST

INH
Boomslang
JOH
Dom
Sprityo
Timmer
Neverwhere
Wilgy
Lorab
Golden
Speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Elochin
WHY AM I POOP-COLORED!?

(And could you explain your read on me, thanks)

Nothing you've really said has made me especially inspired or captivated by your civilian-ness. Feels a little under the radar, which is usually the type of player I tend to really suspect. Also I don't think you've properly explained your "bad feels" about me.

If I had to pick the most middle-of-the-road player, who is going with the proverbial "flow," it'd be Elochin. But you'd be second. Hence both of your low placements.

TBH, you're above the dividing line between players I'm pretty suspicious of, and players I'd be okay with being lynched. The folks below you are the people I'd really like to put in the hotseat.

As for the coloring, apologies are necessary. I'm not great at picking the colors on these things, which is why I miss the [rainbow] function.

I wouldn't mind in the least seeing rainbow lists from you and anyone else who'd care to give them. This is the part of the game when people need to be forced to speak up.

I'm also tossing a vote in Elochin's direction.

TSP is the path of least resistance, and despite him doing some shady-ass stuff, all the other players I suspect are also all throwing votes his way [except for Rico,] making his lynch seem uncomfortable inevitable.

I'm okay with him going, but I can't help but agree with Sprit that it wouldn't be very informative.

Elochin

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:27 pm Did we ever get an answer as to whether votes after vote 4 count? TBH, I totally forgot about that when I voted.

I don't see why they wouldn't. Only the votes placed fourth would be affected.

So TSP currently has four votes, counting the fifth one placed.

Elo, you're the person who has pushed the curse narrative that I feel the Politician team would want to push the most, and you haven't responded in any real way to criticism of the "curses reference BV and Rot3K, so FOW must have been in both" rationale. Instead, you ignore contrary opinions while blending into the proverbial pack.

That's why you're at the bottom of my rainbow list, and you're the person I'd be most comfortable seeing go today.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:34 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:57 pm So having read Epi's ISO there was one thing abundantly clear

no large, collective posts regarding searching for information for a case on something

Day 1 is an entire shenanigan fest of jokes and a tunnel filled with TSP

this falls off as day 2 rolls around as he starts talking with Golden more, dropping shade on INH and Speedchuck as well

mostly everything ive read from Epi though reeks of defensive dismissive words. Maybe that's how he plays? but it looks unnatural to me. However, i dont think it warrants him a vote.... yet. were he to vote INH today it would definitely prompt me to vote for Epi, but in general he hasnt been playing optimally IMO
I am probably going to vote for INH. Too bad you already voted.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:42 pm I've said why. I'm not going to keep repeating myself.

Apparently I'm supposed to save Tony though because we're bad together. I can't do that though. Too bad.

Oh that lovable contrarian epigonsis

what a card

But seriously, you still think I'm the Faceless Old Woman?

Do you want me to repost my rebuttals so you can read and maybe respond to them?

Or would you just like to continue to ignore every point I make in favor of sitting in silence instead of engaging people about your suspicions?

You suspect me. Great, whoop-de-doo. Would you like to talk about it, and maybe be constructive?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:45 pm Someone says I'm a follower and votes for me. Someone says I'm a leader and not backing off my theory and votes for me.

I'm going to bed. Y'all are a confused crew. I'm voting tony too in case y'all try to pile on me at the last second.

tony

I didn't say you were a leader, and it's not really your theory, either.

You weren't the first to come up with the idea that the Faceless Old Woman must have been in both Blue Velvet and Rot3K, but you're the only one who has steadfastly pursued it while ignoring and not engaging with any criticism.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 9:50 pm I will admit the evidence against you is circumstantial.

I find it easy to lynch you because you are blatant in your schemes.

Can we at least talk about what you perceive to be "insertnamehere gameplay?" Because it seems fairly alien to me, insertnamehere.

If your suspicion of me is based on a foundation of a meta-read, let's talk about your meta-read of me.

well motherfucker

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:02 pm Interns, today no intern may place a 4th vote on any player. Any votes placed 4th will not count.

I took this to mean that only the person who was the fourth to vote for a person had their vote invalidated, and that people who voted after them would have legit votes.

@Niju, was I wrong?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:18 pm That sucks on multiple levels. I didn't miss something did I? Tony was definitely leading on the poll?

Yep. Tony had 6 votes, and Elo had 2.

That's why we need confirmation whether Tony had 3 or 5 votes actually count against him.

POSSIBLE VOTE MANIP SCENARIOS:

Tony = Dana and survived his first kill attempt.
Me or Sprit is Marcus.

I sure as shit am not Marcus.

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:19 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 10:17 pm
nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:02 pm Interns, today no intern may place a 4th vote on any player. Any votes placed 4th will not count.
I took this to mean that only the person who was the fourth to vote for a person had their vote invalidated, and that people who voted after them would have legit votes.

@Niju, was I wrong?

Really lady? Fuckfuckfuck.

There's no lynch stop except for Dana. Cecil's role couldn't have targeted anyone, therefore Khoshekh couldn't be involved. So, only half of the votes counted against Tony actually counted. And Sprityo is Marcus. That's the only feasible scenario, looking at the roles.

Possibly secrets, or a fake death-claim or something like that.

Fuck.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:01 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:55 pm Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?
General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:48 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:38 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 9:01 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 8:55 pm Coincidentally, how do people feel about sprityo and INH?
General consensus:
INH is probably mafia.
Spirtyo probably isn't.

Cause maybe Rico knows something and can't / won't tell up.

I'll be honest. I really thought Elo was scum. She was at the bottom of my goddamn rainbow list, for Pete's sake. I was the one who brought her name up in the thread, and poked Sprityo into voting alongside me against her.

So, the Cecil message implying she was really Hiram feels like vindication on a certain level.

I'd like for Rico to explain, if he chose to, why if I was the FOW, I would lead a lynch against my teammate, who would then flip civ and gain me no civ cred.

It's incredibly annoying for your main accuser to literally refuse to ever elaborate on their suspicion of you, and yet still have people taking their word over yours.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 11:05 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2017 10:52 pm "Cecil is alive, Elo is Kevin"

This is the part where I'm like...

Ok cool but where the hell did that come from?
The posts for starting today suggests that Elo might have been Hiram. Which I guess works too.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 2:02 am INH: He still hasn't answered the question of "who is bad". That's not good.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 3:53 am At this point, I'd probably be good with an INH lynch. Fair chance Rico has real dirt on him. Worst case scenario, we cut out a townie who isn't really hunting and confirm that I am not in fact protecting my mafia teammate. But I don't think INH is good. I liked him in ASOUE for hunting and he was good. So if he's 90% focused on self defense, maybe I can read him good enough to say "INH is bad" after all.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:14 am inh is the only person left who I am not actively reading as town. I must be wrong about at least one person (although I note the possibility that we are down to two baddies if nutella, elo and timmer were all bad).

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:16 am My biggest problem with inh right now is he seems stuck in 'here is why the case against me is bad' instead of 'here is why I'm good' or just getting on and solving the game.

There's a memetic idea spreading through the thread and being parroted by Dom, Golden, JoH, and TSP that I apparently don't hunt or give reads, and have no interest in who the baddies actually are.

People seem to have blacked out during Day 3 when I spent like an hour devising a Rainbow list, then went after my top suspect.

I guess it's not hunting if the person you were hunting exists in that nice little Schrodinger's Box state of either being the leader of a baddie team or the civilian team.

updated rainbow list of reads

feel free to ask me about them, or ignore them completely if they don't fit your pre-chosen narrative about me.

INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet

PERSON I'D MOST LIKE TO LYNCH: Ricochet.

You wanna talk about people who aren't hunting? What about the dude who communicates solely through emojis and has just been harping on the same goddamn dude for the the majority of the game?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm INH
Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Speedchuck
JOH
Dom
Wilgy
Golden
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet

added pretty colors.

hues are not indicative of relative suspicion

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:55 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm feel free to ask me about them, or ignore them completely if they don't fit your pre-chosen narrative about me.

Boomslang
Sprityo
Quin
Curious about your top three here. Everyone seems to have a stronger read on Boomslang than I do. I don't get it.

Sprit I can see, but I was wondering what your theory is regarding post gimmicks in general. Who on your bad reads do you think would have done it, and why isn't that sprit? You know these guys better than me.

And how do you have a read at all on Quin/Neverwhere?

Some people are able to look at mafia games from the perspective of looking for townie qualities in other players. I'm honestly not really able to do that, which is to my detriment as a player. So my top three aren't exactly the "most trustworthy" in my eyes, more like the "least objectionable."

Nothing I've seen from Boomslang and Quin has made me think they could be bad, and I can see negative aspects for everyone below them more than I can those two.

I'd definitely like to see more from both of them.

Sprit is a little bit complicated. He's by far the player that I agree with the most, so I'm disposed towards him. Still can't silence the little voice in my mind saying that's not enough to townread someone, but hey.

Moving on to JoH's queries.

TSP has gotten me all flummoxed, which is what usually happens when a player does some shady stuff, and is then widely condemned in the thread, with no one really defending him. It feels too easy, y'know what I mean?

Which is why I'm inclined to believe his hints at being the Man In The Tan Jacket. It'd explain a lot of the weird circumstances surround his failed lynch, as Tan Jacket is a character in WTNV with a bunch of crazy shit going on. Leaning indie, in case that wasn't clear.

With Ricochet, his content is all reactionary, which is all it can be when posting solely in abstract emotive cartoons.

If this game were a family, Ricochet would be the kooky uncle that sits in the back spouting gibberish and is more-or-less tolerated by the rest of the family who go about their business like ostensible adults.

He's put himself in a situation where there's not a lot of expectation of him to do very much, so when he exceeds the low bar we've set for him, we all shower him with treats.

Ignoring the schtick and the context, his actual reads aren't really inspiring to me.

He thinks I'm scum, and this is the third day in a row he's voted for me, so he seems pretty concrete in that assertation.

He also thinks TSP is bad, which seems to be the group consensus.

Other scumreads include both Golden AND Dom, which would be nice for him to expound upon, if he was so motivated to. Seems like a "why not both" shrug of a read straight out of an American taco shell commercial. Also, Sprityo, who happens to be one of my townreads. So yeah.

Not a lot that I can get behind, LC vote-analysis or no. His "#CONTENT" is similar to that of a sixteen year old YouTube vlogger.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:57 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 12:45 pm PERSON I'D MOST LIKE TO LYNCH: Ricochet.

You wanna talk about people who aren't hunting? What about the dude who communicates solely through emojis and has just been harping on the same goddamn dude for the the majority of the game?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:53 pm Vote INH

"Is it future or is it past?"

Ricochet right now:

k

Ricochet

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:50 pm

This is completely right. All we need is to put it in a tunnel, and it's a perfect microcosm of your entire game.

I think Ricochet's eyes have been in that position for so long that they've gotten stuck.

He needs to see a medical professional.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 5:56 pm Golden or Sprityo voting Rico will cause me to scumread them.

I already scumread INH so his vote is fine

Ricochet's posts are like an Avalanches record, what with the cutting up of others' posts and synthesizing them into something their authors' never intended.

Do me next.

Eh, to be honest, I have much more of a problem with the content of his posts than I do with the way in which he delivers them.

Emojis are about as helpful as Vompatti-speak, to make a comparison.

I'm not voting for Ricochet because he posts in emojis.

I'm voting for him because he's bad.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:27 pm Having said that, I'm restraining myself because I want to win, and given Jack's very vehement position, Sprit's vote for Rico feels way off for me and I tend to think INH and sprit as politicans is likely to be correct. Sprit in particular, but it looks like INH is the better vote for today, so probably heading that way.

Who has two thumbs and is willing to use words to respond to people who suspect him?

This guy, that's who.

Please explain the reasoning behind why you think me and Sprit are politicians. Is it Curse-based nonsense, or me not hunting-based nonsense?

Fill me in, why don't you.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:31 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:30 pm Eh, to be honest, I have much more of a problem with the content of his posts than I do with the way in which he delivers them.

Emojis are about as helpful as Vompatti-speak, to make a comparison.

I'm not voting for Ricochet because he posts in emojis.

I'm voting for him because he's bad.

guys i'm beginning to think this ricochet guy thinks I'm bad.

i sure wish he'd elaborate on his views of me through some sort of communicative effort

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:34 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:32 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:27 pm Having said that, I'm restraining myself because I want to win, and given Jack's very vehement position, Sprit's vote for Rico feels way off for me and I tend to think INH and sprit as politicans is likely to be correct. Sprit in particular, but it looks like INH is the better vote for today, so probably heading that way.
Who has two thumbs and is willing to use words to respond to people who suspect him?

This guy, that's who.

Please explain the reasoning behind why you think me and Sprit are politicians. Is it Curse-based nonsense, or me not hunting-based nonsense?

Fill me in, why don't you.
POE, frankly. I'm spreadsheeting pretty carefully this game and I have most town roles filled. Not to say they all must be correct, but I'm feeling fairly good about most of them.

Sprit more likely than you, because he should have taken the same pause that I did after Jack so vehemently defended rico, instead of rushing right in. But his rushing right in vote for rico looks like an implied defence of you.

Goddamn Edgar Allen always fucks me over.

I apologize for us playing differently. I wish you wouldn't take that as an invitation to vote for me.

Like two ships in the night, I guess.

And people wonder why I fucking despise POE with every iota of my being.

It's not because it doesn't work in general. It's that it doesn't work with me.

I've voiced my opinions, I've gone after people I believed to be baddies. If that isn't enough for you, I'm not sure what else I can do other than shake my head in disapproval of your gameplay and post "Told you so" in dead red after the EOD.

things i find annoying:

golden voting me because of POE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rico posting in emoji and going after me for 3 whole day phases

Also if Sprityo is actually bad, and is buddying me in order to make me look like a politician, and make him look innocent after I'm mislynched, I'm gonna laugh really hard.

Much like those kids who bullied James Dean in Rebel Without A Cause, or Tommy Wiseau in The Room, Ricochet called me a chicken and provoked me into voting for him, which means that I can't react to any new-bandwagon shenanigans Golden or company may want to pull.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:45 pm Also if Sprityo is actually bad, and is buddying me in order to make me look like a politician, and make him look innocent after I'm mislynched, I'm gonna laugh really hard.
And yet...

Wouldn't you have taken a step back for a moment after Jack's vehement opposition to rico's lynch, rather than rushed in?

Nope. And exactly how long would a step back take in your mind? At what point would it be considered kosher for him to vote Rico?

You obviously give a lot more credit to vague-ass "vehement opposition" than I do, with taking Rico's suspicion of me, and Jack's defense of Rico at face value, at least to a certain degree.

I guess I just don't believe hard enough to convince anyone to vote with me. I just try and use stupid friggin' words, and explain all of my suspicions and opinions extensively, like a total chump.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 6:47 pmAre you trying to lynch mafia or people annoying you?
I'm going to be completely honest about my mafia philosophy.

Lynching annoying people is pro-town, even if they are town. They derail the thread and make it significantly easier for the mafia to hide.

Rico's behaviour is objectively anti-town, no matter what his role card is.

If I was the kind of person that makes South Park references, specifically to that one scene where Randy Marsh is escorted away by the police while saying "I thought this was America!," I'd use one here to describe Rico's gameplay philosophy.

Also if someone were to find, say, a certain three-letter strategy annoying, could they use it as a motive to lynch someone? Who decides who is annoying? Who watches the proverbial watchment?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:25 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:06 pm Jack, I really want to understand - why should I buy your defences of rico? The only reason he is less likely a politician than inh and sprit is surely because he says so? It seems like the argument is 'because rico says inh and sprit are politician, this is more likely than rico being politician'. I have trouble with the logic here and I want you to explain it.
Rico's primary contribution has been "INH is bad" and INH's primary contribution has been "Wie is me. Stop trying to lynch me. Rico's secondary contribution has been the LC vote analysis. INH's secondary contribution has been to say non posters are least suspicious.

So I'm a vacuum, I trust Rico over INH. Stupid fake post restriction doesn't change that, though I think it IS an anti town strategy.

So at that point, Golden and Sprityo float the idea that Rico is the bad one and INH is good. Okay but wtf do you think INH is the good one? This looks like a politician ploy to lynch the guy who won't defend himself properly, complete with an "angry" Sprityo vote like "whoops no takebacksies." So I'm super convinced I need to be on Rico's side and I'll strong arm some people to keep a fellow townie from being lynched.

But since Eloh was a politician, it means that if INH is a politician, he has no buddies so this isn't a politician ploy. If INH is Strex, It didn't show much in the poll where LC got lynched. Plus Golden is definitely not Strex and I wanna say I have reason to believe Sprityo isn't, either. (Will double check.)

So now I'm back to Rico and INH in a vacuum. I still prefer an INH lynch but I'm not as certain Rico is the good one.

Like 60-35 instead of 80-20.

srsly?

do i need to repost my old posts so you can read them?

because this is how you get me to flood the thread with reposts of myself.

I'd say that my "primary contribution" was, for better or worse, the Elochin lynch.

Secondary contribution: Stopping the curse based hysteria, and preventing the mafia from directly dictating who we lynch.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 7:07 pm Why Rico over Wilgy?

Great question. First off, he's relentlessly pushed a narrative that I cursed him, which I know to be false, and doesn't really make sense anyway.

He's called pretty much every single person who has suspected him mafia, including both you and Golden. There doesn't seem to be a clear way in which the people he suspects actually fit into teams, so it seems like a pretty transparent NO U sitch. Also, unlike Wilgy, people actually pay attention to Rico.

And there's also the matter of him antagonizing people outright. If you're the type to lynch someone due to annoyance, there you go.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:40 pm I don't love how split the voting is getting.

Isn't the conventional logic that the more split the vote, the more likely to catch a baddie, due to them being psyched out and not able to control the narrative?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:41 pm That's crap on the INH list. His top townies were basic non participants (at the time) because they hadn't said anything suspicious yet. That's not remotely helpful.

Okay, now you're just being willfully ignorant.

The top three were Boom, Sprit, and Quin. None of which are inacts. I admitted that I'm not good at townreading people. You ignore literally everything else I've done, and find one negative thing about a rainbow list, which isn't even accurate.

And you think Golden tunneling? Buddy, you're vice president of the goddamn Boring Company.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:57 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 9:47 pm So, Jack, your explanation on the vehement opposition to the rico lynch, initially, was just that in the moment you feared a runaway lynch for bad reasons and you didn't want that to happen? But, now you are open to the idea rico could be bad, so you are backing off how vehement you were a bit?
Yeah, basically.

@INH

I am super interesting and not a mean person and I have seen a couple naked women.

Stop picking on me.

You first.

The last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a civilian got lynched.

Just sayin'.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:04 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:03 pm The last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a civilian got lynched.

Just sayin'.

Didn't LC get lynched?

LC got lynched.

Oh yeah. Correction.

Last time TSP did a last-minute vote for me, a baddie almost got saved.

Can I just address the whole perception that me and sprit are a "team?"

It seemed to pop up multiple times over the course of the day.

We just seemed to have the same read on Elo and Rico, and that's it. No BTSC, no funny business.

These kinds of narratives that people push always make me a little nervous, especially when they're ones I know to be false.

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:26 pm reasons should be obvious

I guess I'm just a moron, because I don't get them.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:27 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2017 10:26 pm reasons should be obvious
I guess I'm just a moron, because I don't get them.

alternatively:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:31 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:25 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 10:15 am I can't complain about that lynch.

I mean I'm not allowed. I could have voted for INH to stop it and I didn't.

Or Ricochet. You still could have voted for him.

If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:36 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2017 4:33 pm If Ricochet was physically capable of using words to communicate with his peers, I'd like for him to explain why, if I was on the same team as Elochin, I'd bring her up suddenly during Day 3, and campaign for her to be lynched, injecting her name into the conversation when no one else really cared about her. Even then, when she flipped, she'd come up as town, rendering any town cred utterly worthless.

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