The Syndicate

Oops no one here I guess.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 9:35 pm 20 pages and no scumflips. Nutella is in cruise mode. I'd vote there especially now that Dragomir has died in front of her.

I will look at her tomorrow but shouldn't I also be wondering why you are still alive?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 1:02 am Jk you're probably fine actually.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

So what's the reason for this nutella?

Maybe it's because I said I would look at you today? I see nothing else I've done to warrant it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 8:15 am There's so much less conversation over here than there was over at the other game. Not sure where to start. Out of the options people have voted I mean maybe nutella. I'll have to iso. Now that I'm dead in the other game I have more time to read through here. Did nutella express reasoning for suspecting juliets?

She suspected me earlier in the game for something, maybe the fact that I wasn't participating as much because I was in the other game and had all that rl stuff going on. Then she read me as town. Now all of a sudden with no reason given she votes me. She gave no reason when she voted for me but I had just expressed that I would be taking a look at her this morning. I have been conflicted about her for most of the game. I thought she was town at one time but that was gut and when I re-read her I found that feeling was not as strong as I thought it was. So, I'll see.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 8:33 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 8:26 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 8:15 am There's so much less conversation over here than there was over at the other game. Not sure where to start. Out of the options people have voted I mean maybe nutella. I'll have to iso. Now that I'm dead in the other game I have more time to read through here. Did nutella express reasoning for suspecting juliets?
She suspected me earlier in the game for something, maybe the fact that I wasn't participating as much because I was in the other game and had all that rl stuff going on. Then she read me as town. Now all of a sudden with no reason given she votes me. She gave no reason when she voted for me but I had just expressed that I would be taking a look at her this morning. I have been conflicted about her for most of the game. I thought she was town at one time but that was gut and when I re-read her I found that feeling was not as strong as I thought it was. So, I'll see.
Yeah I don't know I mean I didn't get a super clear view of why she was suspecting you. Just that she had expressed it prior to voting but you're right she did change her mind then all of a sudden go back to it. With her I mean I can see macs point about her kind of coasting. She is so hard to read because of the constantly changing suspicions.

Yes she is. Part of her civ meta is to be wishy-washy but that's also something easily faked if she is bad.

[mention]nutella[/mention] did you ever come up with an answer here? I didn't see it in your ISO but maybe I missed it

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:24 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:22 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm MacDougall, sabie12, Sokoth, maybe indiglo if we decide to follow Epi.

Am fine doing any of these.
A pretty big salad here. I'm surprised nobody called him out for it, at least from what I've read, since salads are an apparent scum tell in this forum.

I'll fully read the thread when I wake up.
indeed, good catch. I will have to reread how that EOD went down to decide how I feel about creature. I don't know much about him as a player so I may have initially given him a bit too much credit just for high volume of participation. I think something fishy might have gone down with the counterwagons at the end there but again I'll have to reread to figure out what the dynamics were.

nutella posted a lot of site mechanics posts. I can't decide if this was because she was trying to appear that she was participating or she was just being nice.

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nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:27 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:24 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:17 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:16 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:32 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:28 pm Is the thread supposed to be open?
It is. Discussion is allowed to occur here at night.
Oh shit, didn't even know. I thought it was the DP. How come there was no night talk in the Scrimmage though?
Because the point of the scrimmage was to follow the rules of the championship as closely as possible lol.

Most games here allow night chat.
Interesting. Pretty big advantage for town to still allow town to hunt scums thoroughly and call them out and the latter faction never gets a break.
I actually think that closed NPs are more an advantage to scum than open NPs are an advantage for town. Scum can still participate in night discussion and influence everything happening in the thread, whereas it's the only resource town would have at night. I strongly believe that the locked NP rule is part of why the championship games have been such scumsweeps so far (tbf I've stopped following them and am not sure if that's still happening beyond games 1 and 2) and it was also a pretty significant factor in scum winning the scrimmage.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:37 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:31 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:27 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:24 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:17 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 2:16 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:32 pm

It is. Discussion is allowed to occur here at night.
Oh shit, didn't even know. I thought it was the DP. How come there was no night talk in the Scrimmage though?
Because the point of the scrimmage was to follow the rules of the championship as closely as possible lol.

Most games here allow night chat.
Interesting. Pretty big advantage for town to still allow town to hunt scums thoroughly and call them out and the latter faction never gets a break.
I actually think that closed NPs are more an advantage to scum than open NPs are an advantage for town. Scum can still participate in night discussion and influence everything happening in the thread, whereas it's the only resource town would have at night. I strongly believe that the locked NP rule is part of why the championship games have been such scumsweeps so far (tbf I've stopped following them and am not sure if that's still happening beyond games 1 and 2) and it was also a pretty significant factor in scum winning the scrimmage.
Wait so this kinda supports my point that open NPs are an advantage for town?
Well as I said I don't think it's as strong, and since it's the norm here it is by default/subconsciously taken into account for balancing games I guess. We still get plenty of scum victories with it. Maybe someone could look into the data of this more generally (though comparing to other sites introduces other factors, but we have had a handful of closed NP games on this site and idk what their town/scum win ratios are vs the open np ones)

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 6:27 pm nooo kyle

@Creature often nks are not revealed here

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:48 am @Rej you have to vote in the poll at the top for it to count, the tags are just for tracking and the format is [ vote ] name [ / vote ]

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 11:49 am And I don't think there's a janitor it's just usually standard on our site for nks not to flip.

Was this TMI?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:11 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.
See this man right here is lock fucking town regardless of creature's flip.

I pointed this quote out before. She says it wasn't for lack of trying but she only said two things about LC - one was that she voted for him saying he was too eager to join Mac's party and -two, "And I still feel worse about LC". I don't see any effort to persuade anyone.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 6:21 pm I mean from my perspective. The Long Con wagon you built never had petrol.

You should consider whether nutella is buddying you Dragomir.
I thought the LC case was fine but unfortunately not enough people were even active today let alone joined it. That is in no way my fault for lack of trying. Shut up

Is this more TMI?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 7:55 pm Is it just me or is dragomir the only person in this thread who is making any goddamn sense

This still doesn't make any sense to me. She says "Yikes, juliets is bad" but I have no idea why. It comes off to me as trying to put the thought in everyone''s mind because she saw me as an easy mislynch. Maybe she can explain it now.

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:50 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 10:54 pm Okay so where I am at is I see three possibilities.

1. Given that the Creature wagon was indeed a civ wagon with very little push I am still looking for those who pushed against it for cred. These players would be showing TMI. Nutella, indiglo and birdwithteeth are the most questionable here, the latter two because they found their way off the main wagon with very little effort (when I observe BWT specifically, but would expect both, to me more likely to just agree to the main wagon if they are indeed civilians without info). Nutella more so because there is this sort of union between her and Dragomir but the tones are different. Dragomir gets a bit of a pass from me because he sounds more aggressive and is exhibiting more civvie doubt. I am gut and tone reading Dragomir town but Nutella has a more stiff feel in her posting.

2. Maybe we just have a lazier than usual Mafia team and rather than attempting to create some civ credit they chose to take the day off[/b] and just let the mislynch unfold and that I missed it entirely because I was blinded by my own read. I don't think LC and Epi are guilty of this, because Epignosis and Long Con were proponents of the wagon even before I kicked it off, they were not passively agreeing with it like some others. Juliets is someone who comes into question here, because she was on the wagon yet now in light of the flip is choosing to hitch herself to the nutella/Dragomir bloc... which I would do if I was in her position as Mafia. I find it questionable that Juliets has gone from being a proponent of the Creature lynch to now aligning herself with the primary objectors of it. It's a bit too quaint. DrWilgy is also a concern also is the one that put the third quick vote on that wagon and did so with a minimum of fuss, which I find strange for Wilgy who loves competing wagons. I also want to look at how Oreki and Matahari got their votes on to the wagon.

3. It is possible that we have a mix, something like the majority of the Mafia team choosing to be passive with one person angling for deepwolf status. Mathematically this is probably more likely, also supported by well as the fact that most Mafia teams don't bloc vote (they should but don't). In this scenario it makes sense that we would have something like a Nutella, DrWilgy, Juliets team, with Nutella taking the opportunity to pocket Dragomir and steer clear of the wagon to infiltrate any forming town bloc, with DrWilgy just relying on wifoming his way out and Juliets taking the safe option as she is want to do.

Lastly I am sorry Creature. I hope to see you in the next game, you play well.
I saw Drago and nutella as town because they were arguing so hard against the lynch. I know you have a theory that the arguing against it made them mafia (or I see you have revised that above to just nutella) but I didn't buy that argument the first time around. I will read through it again when I review your ISO later today to make sure I still feel that way. Anyway, it came off to me that they were most certainly town.

I am not bad, I've just been very busy and maybe haven't thought things through well enough here but I died in the other game so will be able to devote more time to this one starting this afternoon when I get home from work.
Yikes juliets bad

Again with Drago. These posts about him really smack of TMI.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:45 pm If Dragomir isn't town in this game I will eat a nutella cheese sandwich

Here is the post that is just plain wrong and my response to it. As I pointed out in my post her "facts" are manufactured. Again, I think she sees me as an easy mislynch.

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nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm @MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 9:50 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.
I will address this again because I don't think it proves anything, and others seem to think it does.

The series of events was this:

1. I suspected Creature
2. I considered Long Con
3. I voted Creature
4. Creature flipped civ
5. After Creature flipped civ the two people who argued against his vote appeared civ to me

So first, nutella says I never reconsidered my Creature vote. In fact, I considered the argument for Long Con BEFORE I voted for Creature.

Secondly, nutella says I only took the LC case seriously AFTER they were proven right which is false. Look at my ISO, I engaged with Drago about his case on Long Con BEFORE Creature flipped civ. I also engaged with indiglo about Long Con BEFORE Creature flipped.

Thirdly nutella says I was "totally content to just let it happen". What? nutella has the ability to get inside my mind and tell you all about the state of my feelings? Who of you are accepting this as fact? @birdwithteeth11 ? I was not "totally content". I stayed in the thread after voting to keep reading and give myself a chance to change my mind.

So I ask those of you who vote for me, which of her points are you considering rock solid fact? I hope if you're voting me you can track it back to something other than this "case" against me.

Here is where she changes direction on me and Long Con at 6:42 pm last night. This was the last thing she said about me before voting me at 1:02 am this morning and giving no reason whatsoever when she vote.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 6:42 pm I made a nice rainbow earlier, i feel better about LC and juliets since then and worse about bwt but most of the rest is about the same.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 1:02 am Jk you're probably fine actually.

[VOTE: juliets] aubergine

So these are some things I see about nutella. I'm leaning mafia on her now instead of town but I would like to know what other people think of her. Please read her ISO for yourself and see which things you think are important. They may not be the same as mine.

I also said I would finish looking at indigo though my "find" about her switching votes turns out to be not valid. I'm somewhat disheartened by that but I will finish looking at her anyway just in case there is something more there.

[mention]indiglo[/mention] now that Dr. Wilgy has flipped independent, how do you feel about the other two you named in the post below. I'm particularly interested in your Oreki suspicion. What are you seeing?

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:01 pm Poo, still no consensus and I have to go. I understand it, since there are still a couple hours left, but still, poo.

I'm waffling between a Mac-Wilgy-Oreki team and an LC-Wilgy-Oreki team. I prefer leaving my vote on Wilgy, who I feel more sure about, rather than choosing between Mac and LC. However, my Wilgy vote accomplishes nothing by its lonesome... and Mac and LC both have votes already, so my vote would have a chance to accomplish something.

Meh. I'm going to take another couple minutes.

I know this was two days ago but could you tell us if this is still how you feel? If so could you talk about your reads? Especially nutella at the top and the three at the bottom.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:29 pm Dragomir
nutella
Rej
Epignosis
birdwithteeth11
Sokoth
Mac
LongCon
Matahari
juliets
DrWilgy
Oreki

There is not much to say about Indi as she has not had many posts in the game. I also still would like to know why she dodged my question about Long Con's ISO that I posted earlier in the game. In addition, she never has answered the question about her votes on day 1. I guess I'll repost my earlier post here to make it easier for her to respond to both things:

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juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:44 pm Indiglo's explanation to bwt's question about her votes:

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:23 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:22 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:20 pm Tossing mine last minute

[VOTE: Sokoth] aubergine

Oh, linki with Daisy LMAO
You come in close to the last minute and then move your vote between 3 different people very quickly. Why?
Because votes are changeable?
This is the sequence about LC that I mentioned earlier. Seemingly no reason to vote for him. And note that she avoided my question about the ISO.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:34 pm Oh, LOL caught up. I thought there were going to be more posts. I'm going to go back and iso LC.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )
indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?

I'm not married to my vote for LC. At this point, I feel like my most likely candidates would be between Mac, Wilgy and LC. Because of how the votes started going down from the beginning of this day phase.

I wanted to get a vote on the board, and of those 3, LC had the most votes so far. I'm open to further discussion for sure, and vote changing, up until the time I have to leave.
I'm posting this now, I don't think we're going to change to Indi so I'll finish her up after the lynch.

Who else do we need to look at this round?

Oreki wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 11:42 am Can I ask a question? Claiming is not allowed in this game, right? So does this game also have invest result, this may sound like fishing(lol) but I just want to know if we indeed have something like role cop or alignment cop. They can't claim regardless of their results, right?

And one another question how do we do multi-quotes?

Oreki, if there is an investigative role in this game he or she cannot just dump their results in the thread like "DDL is mafia, I know for sure". That is not allowed. Also, since it is a closed set up we do not have any idea what roles, like investigative roles, are in the game. We just don't know.

The only way to multi-quote that I know of is to open a second window, find the quote you want to post, copy it and take it back to the first window and paste it under post reply. You continue to find posts in that second window, copy them and paste them to your reply in the first window. I hope that makes sense. That's the only way I know how to do it.

There are not many people around today. I would really like to have some conversation about people that are suspected.

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 2:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 1:47 pm There are not many people around today. I would really like to have some conversation about people that are suspected.
What do you think about MacDougall? I am so much confused by his playstyle is this because he is such a uberpro? I have a bad feeling about manipulation comming off from this guy I can't describe it in words.

He is indeed an uber pro. He's got more wins on this site this year than anyone else. His style can be abrupt and brusque, and usually he begins throwing names out right and left and calling them bad or good from the beginning of the game. Or he can be pretty nice but still throwing names out as bad or good without a lot of reasons starting from the beginning. Imo he is very difficult to read.

I don't like that he's still alive at this point BUT I haven't found anything that causes me to say he's bad and his reads are very similar to mine (I have a question about Oreki for him but he's not here yet). So if I were doing a GTH right now I would call him good. I'm wary of him though. Do you see something other than the manipulation feelings you have that would tell us he is bad?

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 4:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:57 pm here's my sort-of-poe

probably not mafia:
indiglo
macdougall
rej
sabie (on the fence here, possible last resort but I thought sokoth sounded genuine)

potential mafia:
birdwithteeth
juliets
long con
mata
oreki
take off your vote from juliets and lets vote up oreki, I have a much worser feeling about him

Rej what are you seeing in your Oreki suspicion?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 3:54 pm we only have two hours left in the day it's so quiet and only juliets is here spouting nonsense about me :P

I went back to suspecting you partially because of POE and partially because I just don't get good vibes from you and a lot of my earlier reasons still hold (there was that thing where I was wrong about some chronology but you still make sense as mafia to me in how you've participated in the various wagons)

Your earlier reasons were bunk, as I proved in my refutation of them. My last vote was for an independent, not a townie. You are dead wrong about me but if you're bad you really don't care.

Is anyone else around?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 4:41 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 4:33 pm My last vote was for an independent, not a townie.
....is that supposed to be a convincing defense for any reason

I'm actually not trying to defend against you. I don't care that you think I'm bad.

I'm here if someone shows up. I will be in and out.

What are the reasons to vote Oreki?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:18 pm man I'm actually torn on mac, I thought I figured something out about him that meant he wasn't mafia but maybe it actually could make him mafia. idk.

What is it?

And where is everyone?

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:37 pm Would scum leave the power of decision to 2-3 people?

Doesn't make sense.

I still think it's nutella.

But I'm not positive. I hate that my vote is going to determine this.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:48 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:47 pm I still think it's nutella.
"it"? Is there only one scum then? lol

"it" out of the choices we have today which right now is only you and oreki

My vote was worth -2 today. It was gifted to me by someone. Sorry Oreki I couldn't save you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:17 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:07 pm My vote was worth -2 today. It was gifted to me by someone. Sorry Oreki I couldn't save you.
Huh, so I guess you technically did tie it if I'm counting right?

I believe that is right since you had 3 votes without me and I negated two of them. That would have left you tied with Oreki. I don't know how Daisy is resolving ties, I don't remember if she said in the beginning.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 6:04 pm Voted oreki based on the recent case being brought up on them
I didn't think they have done a whole lot this game though I'm still wary of nutella especially if oreki ends up being a mislynch.

This end of day was kind of disappointing. I'm sorry I wasnt here but it seems like not many were

sabie, you came into the thread at 5:57 pm and voted Oreki a couple of minutes later, prior to 6:00 pm. Which case prompted you to vote Oreki? And how did you find it so quickly?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 7:23 pmOh yay

I'm thinking this is facetious.

Come back and share your thoughts Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:04 pm My thoughts are if the civs in this game just continue to take the piss then we might as well give up. I was busy for a day and the laziest lynch to ever lynch took place.

If Nutella isn't Mafia I will eat my own hand.

If we just come out tomorrow and lynch the lowest hanging fruit again the game is over.

Mac, I don't know if you read the thread but my vote for Oreki was worth -2 so it was a vote for nutella. I tried to talk about nutella earlier in the day, LC said he thought the summary was good but then he didn't vote for some reason. bwt is out of town and mata had a death in the family so they didn't make it. Rej was voting for nutella but then he changed to Oreki because he felt worse about him. sabie came in with 3 minutes left in the lynch and within 2 minutes said she had read a case on Orek and voted for him. I don't know why the rest of the people didn't vote.

Had 1 person come in and voted for nutella or Rej had not changed his vote or if sabie hadn't voted so quickly for Oreki (I have asked her to answer a question about her vote) we would have lynched nutella instead. We were really close. We just can't let this happen again tomorrow.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:44 pm If juliets isn't mafia I'll tie my dick in a permanent knot and I don't even have one so you know I'm serious about this suspicion. She's trying to get so much credit from trying to save oreki but I'm not bad either so she has to be.

I'm sorry nutella but I am not mafia. You've played with me enough, I feel like you should know my civ game. I wanted Mac to know that I was not a civ slanker and I did indeed try to save Oreki but it wasn't enough. WIFOM or not, you have to admit it makes no sense for a mafia with a -2 vote to do what I did. I could have easily thrown my vote somewhere else and never told anyone it was worth -2. Why would I have voted for civ Oreki if I were mafia?

If you aren't bad, who is?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:44 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.

For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.

I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
This and then the post where oreki was trying to figure out if there was a cop role and if they'd be announcing results. Like they were worried they had been checked and would be found out. I had very little time to try to get my vote in. Sorry this game ends so much earlier than I'm used to and I made a real quick decision. Also didnt know you had that weird vote thing juliets. Is that like a curse or something?

I think the whole situation looks worse for nutella at this point.

sabie, which part of this case spoke to you? Rej says Oreki had not hunted scum, lacked in some interactions, gave the impression of sheeping. The case is pretty vague with no examples and keep in mind Oreki is very new to mafia. I don't think you had time to read Oreki's posts before you voted so I'm surprised that this case convinced you. I hate to think this but it looks like you got here at 5:57 and a mafia teammate or mates told you to get in there and vote Oreki. It just looks so suspicious, but I'm not going to vote for you next round if I'm still alive.

As for my vote, I'm not sure if it was meant to be a curse or a gift. My first reaction was it was a curse but then when I thought about it I could see that a -2 vote could be very useful. So, it may have been a gift rather than a curse.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:28 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:03 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 10:44 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.

For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.

I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.
This and then the post where oreki was trying to figure out if there was a cop role and if they'd be announcing results. Like they were worried they had been checked and would be found out. I had very little time to try to get my vote in. Sorry this game ends so much earlier than I'm used to and I made a real quick decision. Also didnt know you had that weird vote thing juliets. Is that like a curse or something?

I think the whole situation looks worse for nutella at this point.
sabie, which part of this case spoke to you? Rej says Oreki had not hunted scum, lacked in some interactions, gave the impression of sheeping. The case is pretty vague with no examples and keep in mind Oreki is very new to mafia. I don't think you had time to read Oreki's posts before you voted so I'm surprised that this case convinced you. I hate to think this but it looks like you got here at 5:57 and a mafia teammate or mates told you to get in there and vote Oreki. It just looks so suspicious, but I'm not going to vote for you next round if I'm still alive.

As for my vote, I'm not sure if it was meant to be a curse or a gift. My first reaction was it was a curse but then when I thought about it I could see that a -2 vote could be very useful. So, it may have been a gift rather than a curse.
I guess I could see why you might think that, but no that's not what happened.
I'll be completely honest with you I was about to head out the door to go out on a date with the boyfriend and was like wait what time is it? Realized it was almost 6 checked in realized there was no time saw the options read those posts and voted. I thought it was weird people weren't here and there was only 1 vote on nutella. I had just subbed in so I didn't want to miss a vote. I made a quick decision and made an incorrect one. I also had a civ read on you and saw you hadn't voted nutella despite voicing suspicion and you were here so at the time I thought maybe I missed something. I wasnt aware you had that vote thing so I put my vote on oreki. I thought missing a vote was going to make me have to get subbed in again or modkilled or something and I read too fast and made a decision too quickly. It was poor playing and judgement on my part and I should have been paying more attention. Sighhhh one of these days I'll get better at this game. Blahhhh

ok sabie thanks. I probably should have put a vote on nutella so it wouldn't be confusing to someone who came in late and then pulled it over to oreki before time expired.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 12:28 pm I'm sorry to everyone for being so absent yesterday evening. Funeral is this afternoon but I will be here more today

I’ve been reading the game but I’m not quite finished.

Mata it was totally understandable why you weren't here. I certainly never expected you to be here. Your priority is with your family at this time.

Hi [mention]Rej[/mention] could you please answer these questions I posed and LC seconded? I never saw any cases.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 9:48 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:31 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 pm I just wrote a half case and it got deleted, I cry q.q

Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf
Rej, I would have to see your cases tomorrow.
Drago called Mata bad so why wouldn't she profit from his death?
Drago also called you bad, so don't you profit from his death?
Why does Oreki profit from his death?
I want to hear answers to these questions

Dang Long Con. RIP.

So we are at Mylo. For now I am going ahead and voting nutella because I have not seen anything since my post about her to make me think that she's civ. I need to do more searching though because if nutella is bad there are still others who are bad with her. LC suspected indiglo at least for a time iirc so I'll re-read her.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 6:13 pm Still don't really get why you think I'm bad though. I'm giving you a second chance but you're not giving me one for some reason. Why are you so stuck in this tunnel?

I can't find a reason to see you as civ. It's not that I don't want to because I do. Maybe somebody else will come up with something. I'm reading Mac as civ so I'll see where he's parked when he comes in again. [mention]MacDougall[/mention] what are you thinking about nutella today?

Rej wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 6:54 pm
Mac and Drago were synergizing in the earlier DPs for some reason and they participated in some wagons, gave me the vibes of Mac using Drago and at this point I had the feel he could have thrown him off and buffy up another person in some manipulative way.

Oreki could have profitted because Drago would be about to make a case on Oreki it is something Oreki would handle hard and Oreki would have known that other people including me would jump on that accusation.

I stated why I thought Matahari wouldn't kill Drago, because in my enviroment I am used to not kill people pointing their FOS on you.
My 50/50 on Juliet is justified by gut feeling. I also think nutella is mafia right now.

I could have convinced drago that I am town, it would have been easier by that stage of game, atleast I would have rumbled on that one.

Rej what is FOS?

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 8:30 pm I just looked up mylo on mafiascum wiki, so I looked up FOS too. It means finger of suspicion. Is no lynch a good thing? It seems like wasting a day and allowing another nk.
I trusted Mac somewhat by the two games we were in, and thinking he’s posting suspicions by experience with players. I’m halfway through his iso but I don’t know if it’s going to change my mind.
Nutella, at one point, made a case against Juliet’s that I disagreed with, but it was a strange case. Like a three way with people arguing in circles. I’ll have to go back to the point in her iso, then flip over to the thread to recall who the third person was.
I’m going to close my eyes for awhile. I’m tired and my head hurts, so I’ll finish my reading later. I’m hoping the other absentees will be back in posting mode tomorrow.

Thanks Mata for FOS! I don't ever think to look things up over there.

After you read nutella's case be sure to read my rebuttal. You can find my rebuttal in my ISO or let me know and I will copy it here for you to read. Also, consider what my mafia motive would have been for putting -2 votes on Oreki?

Hope you lose that headache, you're probably just dog-tired from all the stress.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:17 pm BWT is definitely town. We really have a 3/4 shot here. At what stage during the lynch did Indiglo vote? Someone, anyone?

Let me look back.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:17 pm BWT is definitely town. We really have a 3/4 shot here. At what stage during the lynch did Indiglo vote? Someone, anyone?

Wait - indigo didn't vote. She says she lost her signal.

Hi Rej, I am looking at your switch to Oreki at the end of the day after being on nutella most of the day. Here is the post you made:

Rej wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2019 5:34 pm I am here peeking in and out, Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon. So I will try to do it lowlife mafiastyle as I am used to. Oreki lacked in some interactions and even if he has the same experience grade as me, he gave me more of the feeling of sheeping on the one or other wagon previously.

For Mac I am still torn.
I am also torn on Nutella, geting the same manipulative vibes than from Mac.

I hope low activity is reasoned through the weekend^^ I also wouldn't mind extending this DP by 24 hours additionally if there is a rule that allows that.

You first said "Oreki as said isn't that ambitioned to hunt scum right now and form a wagon". I looked through your posts and didn't see anywhere that you previously pointed out that he wasn't hunting scum. What did you mean by this post?

Secondly, you said "Oreki lacked in some interactions". What specifically are you talking about here?

Finally you said "even if he has the same experience grade as me he game me more of the feeling of sleeping on the one or other wagon previously". What wagon are you talking about here? Didn't you also sheep on previous wagons? What do you mean by same experience grade as you? Oreki seemed very very new to mafia and you have played many games.

I'm just overall having trouble understanding why you moved to Oreki basically out of the blue toward the end of the lynch. Did nutella say something that all of a sudden convinced you she was good? If so what was it?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 8:44 am I wasn't saving anyone I made a wrong decision thinking I needed to vote quickly. I now see I could have just not voted and no one would have cared because some people just never even showed up at all. I thought not voting was considered an issue. I didn't think my vote was going to be enough to lynch nutella because she only had one vote on her. Juliets seemed less sure about it at the time but I didnt know that was because of her voting power. I always think participating is better than not and I keep trying to get better but I think I'm just so misunderstood by people that I get accused every time I try to make an effort.
I am willing to consider rej could be bad as he was leading the lynch on oreki. He comes off kind of aggressive at times and uses a lot of emojis. He says he thinks hes going to be the next mislynch which could be genuine concern or that he knows people are on to him. I am interested to see what his response is to juliets question.

sabie, the reason why your vote looks suspicious is it seems like it would be impossible to arrive at the thread at 5:57 and within two minutes read the thread enough to see my case on nutella and a case on Oreki. And if you are talking about Rej's case, I don't see how you could have digested it and made sense out of it in such a short time. I'll go back and read your explanation post about your vote again, maybe I missed something.

Also what do you think about nutella?

Sorry sabie, I didn't notice that you had voted nutella so no need to answer the last question I asked.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:50 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 9:30 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 8:44 am I wasn't saving anyone I made a wrong decision thinking I needed to vote quickly. I now see I could have just not voted and no one would have cared because some people just never even showed up at all. I thought not voting was considered an issue. I didn't think my vote was going to be enough to lynch nutella because she only had one vote on her. Juliets seemed less sure about it at the time but I didnt know that was because of her voting power. I always think participating is better than not and I keep trying to get better but I think I'm just so misunderstood by people that I get accused every time I try to make an effort.
I am willing to consider rej could be bad as he was leading the lynch on oreki. He comes off kind of aggressive at times and uses a lot of emojis. He says he thinks hes going to be the next mislynch which could be genuine concern or that he knows people are on to him. I am interested to see what his response is to juliets question.
sabie, the reason why your vote looks suspicious is it seems like it would be impossible to arrive at the thread at 5:57 and within two minutes read the thread enough to see my case on nutella and a case on Oreki. And if you are talking about Rej's case, I don't see how you could have digested it and made sense out of it in such a short time. I'll go back and read your explanation post about your vote again, maybe I missed something.

Also what do you think about nutella?
Well and that's what I'm saying I made a mistake and read too quickly and made a judgement before I should have. I read that and the thing where they were focusing on worrying about a cop role and I thought that was where I should vote. I felt bad about forgetting about the poll and read the case too quickly and voted. Looking at it after I was like damn that was not the best move. Trust me I feel really bad about it looking back now I should have just stuck with my gut and voted nutella. I admit that I made a snap judgment without taking enough time to think about it and now I feel like I messed things up.

Ok so sabie I re-read your explanation about you were about to go out with your bf and remembered you needed to come here first. You said you voted for Oreki based on his asking questions about a cop role and Rej's case. Bear with me because I'm still trying to understand. Can you tell me exactly what you did from the time you came into the thread and posted at 5:57 and when you voted sometime in the next 2 minutes after that. What was the sequence of your actions in that 2 minutes (actually less than 2 minutes because you had voted Oreki when I voted at 5:59). Be as precise as you can please. Maybe I will understand better if I can understand exactly what you did, what you looked at, in what order, etc.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:13 pm I want everyone to try their best to ISO read Rej. I can't make heads or tails of him except to say that I almost feel like he is POE clamped as he appears in every combination I can muster.

He has found me incredibly hard to deal with, but I am still alive, that is an indicator that I am the patsy here. That the Mafia feel like they can defeat me personally. I feel like if Rej is in the Mafia team he is not in control. Nutella is in control.

Rej + Nutella + Sokoth/Sabie. I really feel that.

We really need BWT's presence to win this though.

@indiglo can you please help?

Uh oh, this is not good. She can't talk. Can you still vote Indi?

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:07 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:04 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:13 pm I want everyone to try their best to ISO read Rej. I can't make heads or tails of him except to say that I almost feel like he is POE clamped as he appears in every combination I can muster.

He has found me incredibly hard to deal with, but I am still alive, that is an indicator that I am the patsy here. That the Mafia feel like they can defeat me personally. I feel like if Rej is in the Mafia team he is not in control. Nutella is in control.

Rej + Nutella + Sokoth/Sabie. I really feel that.

We really need BWT's presence to win this though.

@indiglo can you please help?

Uh oh, this is not good. She can't talk. Can you still vote Indi?

Ok thank goodness.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:07 am
juliets wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:04 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 10:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 9:13 pm I want everyone to try their best to ISO read Rej. I can't make heads or tails of him except to say that I almost feel like he is POE clamped as he appears in every combination I can muster.

He has found me incredibly hard to deal with, but I am still alive, that is an indicator that I am the patsy here. That the Mafia feel like they can defeat me personally. I feel like if Rej is in the Mafia team he is not in control. Nutella is in control.

Rej + Nutella + Sokoth/Sabie. I really feel that.

We really need BWT's presence to win this though.

@indiglo can you please help?

Uh oh, this is not good. She can't talk. Can you still vote Indi?

Ok thank goodness.

I'm so sorry, you did vote. I didn't see it.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 11:08 am
nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 3:04 am Can you tell me why you're not considering juliets?? Do you have any reason to think she's town? Because I don't.

Juliets/Rej/[Mata or Indi] is there any reason that wouldn't make sense to you?

I think she's asking Mac that question even though it looks like she's asking us.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 12:53 pm who wants to vote for bwt with me anyone

nutella, what is the case on bwt?

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