The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:20 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:08 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 pmBaddish:
Juliets
Sabie
Turnip

I'm very interested in these reads. Rip my life.

I’ve got nothing specific. I feel very sure on Juliets but in the presence of lots of town reads I’ll succumb to the majority. Sabie is playing similarly to how she did in Fallout as far as I can tell, it’s a little floaty. Not a lot of fighting to grasp onto, big paragraphs and inherently defensive.
Turnip was a shrug read. Went to put it in Ehh, changed my mind.

You say you feel very sure about me so I have to assume you've seen some strong evidence. What is it?

You’re bad

Right, but I'm not so I'm interested in how you are coming to that conclusion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:06 pm Thanks for the response. Tranq, SVS and Jay I'm seeing some things I like but Tony is next on my list to look at.

I'm taking a break though guys I'm getting thread weary.

It'd be super if you could say what you liked from Tranq.

Jay, here's what I posted earlier.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:26 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:00 pm I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

I reread some of the quieter people today, and will add Colin, I already did G and Tranq. I don't see much alarming in Tranq, even though we don't seem to see eye to eye on people. @juliets probably knows Tranq best; Jules any opinion yet on Tranq?

I wish he was here more but I'm also not alarmed by his posts even though they are few. He tried to protect me in one post and in his last post he had a similar opinion to me of Radishes, so I guess of course I wouldn't be alarmed.

<snip>

It's more that I'm not alarmed yet, I like what he's posted, but if he continues to not be here and give more I'm going to have to reconsider. I don't think I would vote for him today though.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

TH, what are you seeing when you look at Colin? (I couldn't find this in your ISO but tell me if its there and I just didn't go back far enough.)

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:52 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:31 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:28 pm You’re bad

juliets is my strongest civilian read in the game. How about a one-word summary of your suspicion that isn't itself "bad"?

Juliets is playing too nice. Giving information, asking questions. Playing good cop too much. Taking lines that look for a taker instead of carry themselves.

Do you know juliets to play in a way other than nice?

I think I’ve played with Juliets once past day 1. She played like this. I thought it was scummy. She was scum. I am making no meta judgment either way from that.

I once got lynched for being too nice (on Revolution for you old timers in a Rabbit game, something like Sword of Truth? Good times.). I was town.

I understand when you haven't played with me much (and we haven't) why you might think that. It's just the way I am and it usually transcends alignment.

I'm not sure what you mean by "taking lines that look for a taker instead of carry themselves" but it's a nice line. What does it mean?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm I don't know if I've ever seen a bad turnip.

Go to that link in one of my posts to his posts in Firefly where he was bad. He is radically different to me here than there.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:57 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

TH, what are you seeing when you look at Colin? (I couldn't find this in your ISO but tell me if its there and I just didn't go back far enough.)

His reads don't feel genuine, specifically when he called out michelle. I think he's leaning a little too hard on the "I often get mislynched" card

Ok thanks I'll take another look from that perspective. I'm just so wary after Inception.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:13 pm If it helps I have a 109% success rate at reading Colin

Lol! (At least I'm thinking that was a joke!)

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:36 pm
juliets, I just find myself asking questions of her play, which is a lot of asking questions. Sometimes (like in the exchange I quoted) it looks like she’s looking for someone to tell her how to feel so that she can take cover under the thoughts of others, but now I’m getting kinda tinfoilly. I would lean scum I think all the same.

Re: Tony, see the post Dizzy made that I quoted.

Colin, see Epi's post about me earlier this game. He was complaining because he thought I wasn't asking questions. I ask a lot of questions because that's how I process information. Also, I look at all sides of things and try to weigh all the evidence before I vote for someone and that drives questions. In RL people make fun of me for asking so many, or get annoyed by me at times (mostly bosses who think I don't know my place, lol). I'm not interested in taking cover in the thoughts of others. Have you seen me do that this game? How much easier do you think it would have been for me to just agree with the majority of people about Master Radishes instead of standing up for what I believed? Have you not seen me ask a lot of questions in other games you have played with me?

So, so far I am too nice, I don't ask enough questions, and I ask too many questions, lol.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:42 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:16 pm To elucidate the difference, I recall Colin being like a dog with a bone in the game I saw him as town (I think the wire, not 100% sure), whereas this game he’s a bit more drifty. I don’t recall him being much more active than in this game. That seems like enough of a difference to me to run with

I think you’re mixing me up with someone else. I barely had a chance to play The Wire — I believe I got mislynched.

Think it was the wire? Idk. I remember you being on me like a mofo from pretty early and being annoyingly stuck to it

I just went and looked at this and yeah, you even called him out for it in that game. It happened early on [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], before you got lynched Day 3.

Ok, I think I said way earlier I would take a look at Tony and Colin has inspired me to do it now. I have to be away from the thread though for a bit so I won't post my thoughts for a while.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:05 pm juliets, re: that post (the tag feature is finnicky on mobile) — I don’t really remember. If I was “more active” it couldn’t have been by much at all, I’ve been pretty low-key in games for a long time now.

All I can attest to is Nanook perceived you were on him like a dog with a bone. I'm not saying that's evidence that your game there was different than here, to me it just says Nanook's feeling here is genuine, whether it's true or not. I hope that makes sense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:02 pm I mentioned earlier that there were a few moments that made me question juliets. Here they are:

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.

Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.

This is the most significant post in Radish’s ISO and it strikes me as the kind of opportunistic Day 0/1 suspicion that mafia could latch onto. Granted, everyone is new to Radishes here so it’s understandable that he’d lack strong reads early on (it’s not even Day 1 yet), but I don’t see him being much of an assertive presence in here so far. I’d think he’d want to lay the ground work to produce reads, at least.

Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:46 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?

I’m saying this is the extent of his reads, and it’s not very inspiring.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.

I certainly would not say that that's the case either. My point is that I have no reason to read Radishes as town. I picked out the most substantial post I could find in his ISO, and there was nothing in it that would be impossible for an evil radish to say or do.

Oh ok, I misinterpreted what you said. Thanks for clarifying, makes sense to me.

First up is this exchange about my early read on Radishes, in which juliets misinterpreted/misrepresented the nature of my read twice. It took us three tries to get on the same page, and that's not something I'm used to experiencing with juliets. I'm not necessarily saying we always see eye to eye, but her first two cracks at my read are both off the mark in a direction that I would not expect from her. The next occurrence was somewhat similar, though not as jarring.
This second one would probably not have registered at all were it not for the similarities to the first episode, likewise the first one probably would not seem so glaring if it was not repeated again later:

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:28 pm @Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I had not said this at the time, though I had said something in the area (and since this question I've dug my heels in a bit more on Colin, so I'm not sure I'd even object to this suggestion). But this marks a second instance in which juliets extrapolated something from my posts that was not there. At this stage, I had mentioned (once, maybe twice) my track record of mislynching Colin as a caution to those who were beginning to suspect him. I was making an effort to refrain from linking his present behavior to past games because I had not looked at his activity in this game closely, so it would have been bogus of me to make any claims like that here. It was noticeable, then, when juliets asked me to explain a read which I'd be consciously avoiding.

Another point I noticed when I was digging for these posts:

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:59 pm Ok I reviewed Sloonei's post about Master Radishes' "tell me who to ISO" post and JJJ's case post. I started writing this big response but halfway through it occurred to me that I'm really not going to change anyone's mind about MR and I seem to be an outlier in terms of thinking he is town. I look at a post of his and see one thing and others look at it and see something entirely different. So the problem seems to be me.

It has started to remind me of the way I viewed Elephant in Inception. Most of my little surface team came to think he was bad and I was adamant that he was town. I couldn't have been any more sure and thought I knew his role. I ended up dying on that hill because he eventually got lynched and sure enough he was bad.

So maybe that's happening here. I look at MR's comments about Sloonei and understand where he's coming from since he doesn't know Sloonei's meta topped off by the fact Sloonei hasn't been himself because he's sick. JJJ who I respect and am reading town sees his comments about Sloonei and labels them "everywhere and nowhere". That's just one example of what is happening.

So I'll leave it at this: I still don't see MR as bad. I've looked at the points Sloonei and JJJ have made and don't see the same thing they are seeing (I do understand that saying "tell me who to ISO" looks bad but I've done that when I'm too busy and time is short). I'm moving on to spend time on others that I have queasy feelings about so I can hopefully develop some hard mafia reads.

juliets struggles to give a read on Radishes. She explains how she's gone through the process of reading the cases against him, and then makes the point of comparing this situation to a past game where she misread a scum player (Elephant in Inception) as town for the entire game, indicating that she is the problem herself, which would also seem to indicate a commitment of sorts to a negative read on Radishes here and now. But she ends with a town read on him, and casts further doubt about one of my central points against him. I find this progression mildly suspicious, and I also could see it as a potential teammate partnership in the event that one or the other of these two flips bad.

I misunderstood what you were saying. That's it. There is no "misrepresenting" and I resent that you threw that word in there tagged to "misunderstanding" to try and make it looked like what I was doing was intentionally bad either way. I clarified, thought I understood, you corrected me and I thanked you. I don't know how you could read anything malicious into that. What do you think I was trying to do? What was my point in trying to make it look like you said something you didn't? In other words, what was my scum motivation?

I never struggled to give a read on Radishes. I did a whole ISO where I argued he was town. The whole post you are quoting was me saying "I'm not going to belabor the point anymore but my opinion of his behavior is he is town, period." I brought up the Elephant example because I acknowledge the failing of believing he was town when he wasn't. Could that be happening here? It could, but I have tried to see the baddie in him and can't. Maybe I didn't express that well but that was my point.

I'll be honest Sloonei, I haven't had the best feeling about you this game but can't put my finger on why. I'm not angry or upset that you suspect me but that whole thing you did with the word "misrepresenting" furthers that icky feeling I have about you. Maybe we just need to dialogue more.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:37 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:29 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:02 pm I mentioned earlier that there were a few moments that made me question juliets. Here they are:

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.

Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.

This is the most significant post in Radish’s ISO and it strikes me as the kind of opportunistic Day 0/1 suspicion that mafia could latch onto. Granted, everyone is new to Radishes here so it’s understandable that he’d lack strong reads early on (it’s not even Day 1 yet), but I don’t see him being much of an assertive presence in here so far. I’d think he’d want to lay the ground work to produce reads, at least.

Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:46 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?

I’m saying this is the extent of his reads, and it’s not very inspiring.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.

I certainly would not say that that's the case either. My point is that I have no reason to read Radishes as town. I picked out the most substantial post I could find in his ISO, and there was nothing in it that would be impossible for an evil radish to say or do.

Oh ok, I misinterpreted what you said. Thanks for clarifying, makes sense to me.

First up is this exchange about my early read on Radishes, in which juliets misinterpreted/misrepresented the nature of my read twice. It took us three tries to get on the same page, and that's not something I'm used to experiencing with juliets. I'm not necessarily saying we always see eye to eye, but her first two cracks at my read are both off the mark in a direction that I would not expect from her. The next occurrence was somewhat similar, though not as jarring.
This second one would probably not have registered at all were it not for the similarities to the first episode, likewise the first one probably would not seem so glaring if it was not repeated again later:

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:28 pm @Sloonei you mentioned you had mislynched Colin in the past for similar behavior (I think that's what you said). Can you expound on that at all?

I had not said this at the time, though I had said something in the area (and since this question I've dug my heels in a bit more on Colin, so I'm not sure I'd even object to this suggestion). But this marks a second instance in which juliets extrapolated something from my posts that was not there. At this stage, I had mentioned (once, maybe twice) my track record of mislynching Colin as a caution to those who were beginning to suspect him. I was making an effort to refrain from linking his present behavior to past games because I had not looked at his activity in this game closely, so it would have been bogus of me to make any claims like that here. It was noticeable, then, when juliets asked me to explain a read which I'd be consciously avoiding.

Another point I noticed when I was digging for these posts:

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:59 pm Ok I reviewed Sloonei's post about Master Radishes' "tell me who to ISO" post and JJJ's case post. I started writing this big response but halfway through it occurred to me that I'm really not going to change anyone's mind about MR and I seem to be an outlier in terms of thinking he is town. I look at a post of his and see one thing and others look at it and see something entirely different. So the problem seems to be me.

It has started to remind me of the way I viewed Elephant in Inception. Most of my little surface team came to think he was bad and I was adamant that he was town. I couldn't have been any more sure and thought I knew his role. I ended up dying on that hill because he eventually got lynched and sure enough he was bad.

So maybe that's happening here. I look at MR's comments about Sloonei and understand where he's coming from since he doesn't know Sloonei's meta topped off by the fact Sloonei hasn't been himself because he's sick. JJJ who I respect and am reading town sees his comments about Sloonei and labels them "everywhere and nowhere". That's just one example of what is happening.

So I'll leave it at this: I still don't see MR as bad. I've looked at the points Sloonei and JJJ have made and don't see the same thing they are seeing (I do understand that saying "tell me who to ISO" looks bad but I've done that when I'm too busy and time is short). I'm moving on to spend time on others that I have queasy feelings about so I can hopefully develop some hard mafia reads.

juliets struggles to give a read on Radishes. She explains how she's gone through the process of reading the cases against him, and then makes the point of comparing this situation to a past game where she misread a scum player (Elephant in Inception) as town for the entire game, indicating that she is the problem herself, which would also seem to indicate a commitment of sorts to a negative read on Radishes here and now. But she ends with a town read on him, and casts further doubt about one of my central points against him. I find this progression mildly suspicious, and I also could see it as a potential teammate partnership in the event that one or the other of these two flips bad.

I misunderstood what you were saying. That's it. There is no "misrepresenting" and I resent that you threw that word in there tagged to "misunderstanding" to try and make it looked like what I was doing was intentionally bad either way. I clarified, thought I understood, you corrected me and I thanked you. I don't know how you could read anything malicious into that. What do you think I was trying to do? What was my point in trying to make it look like you said something you didn't? In other words, what was my scum motivation?

I never struggled to give a read on Radishes. I did a whole ISO where I argued he was town. The whole post you are quoting was me saying "I'm not going to belabor the point anymore but my opinion of his behavior is he is town, period." I brought up the Elephant example because I acknowledge the failing of believing he was town when he wasn't. Could that be happening here? It could, but I have tried to see the baddie in him and can't. Maybe I didn't express that well but that was my point.

I'll be honest Sloonei, I haven't had the best feeling about you this game but can't put my finger on why. I'm not angry or upset that you suspect me but that whole thing you did with the word "misrepresenting" furthers that icky feeling I have about you. Maybe we just need to dialogue more.

I did not mean to suggest that you were necessarily misrepresenting my words intentionally, though that possibility had occurred to me and I did not want to dismiss it outright. But it's not a pivotal part of my concerns here. I don't even know if this constitutes an accusation: I simply noticed a similar thing happening on two separate occasions with you. I'm not used to this from you, so it was noteworthy. Maybe it's purely coincidence. Maybe the confusion is on my end. But it's a thing that I observed and I didn't want to sit on that. My vote is on you for the sake of discussion more than anything else, for the record. If the day was ending right now, I don't think I'd want to vote for you.

I apologize if I've upset you at all with this. Let's start that dialogue. Tell me where else you've had not great feelings about me.

I appreciate your differentiating between misrepresentation and intentional misrepresentation - I thought you were accusing me of intentionally misrepresenting so I no longer feel icky about that. And I appreciate your apology too, I'm not upset beyond how I felt about the use of that word.

In general I've just had the feeling you were off. I've tried to chalk it up to you being sick and not here as much but every once in a while you pop up in my mind and I think "why am I not reading him as town yet?". I've just felt like we're not on the same wavelength. I think thats a lot of what you were trying to say regarding the misunderstanding we had.

I know this is not very helpful so I'll go into your ISO and try to identify places where I've felt it. The only thing is I'm done, like stick a fork in me, for the night. I've been here most of the day and these posts are starting to swim before me. So give me until tomorrow morning, I get up early, and I'll look at your ISO, specifically looking for those things that made me feel like you were off.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:57 pm You know what, I just want people to die. I just need answers. I'm still on Radish is scum-train, I pray to god I'm not wrong.

[VOTE: Radish] aubergine

There's literally 9 good lynches. Should be possible to find one. I don't know why it seems so hard, but this seems not much different from D1 unfortunately.

I have to agree. I'm having a hell of a time today. I'll be better in the morning I think.

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:49 pm Oompa loompa doompadee don,
Some things I can’t put my finger on.
Oompa loompa doompadee dee,
Here are some folks who seem off to me.

Jay posts a lot, yes this style’s a given,
But something about him feels agenda-driven.
Sloonei’s sus of me felt hollow at best;
Auto-distrust for Dom and S~V~S.

I need to read the poll leaders.

Oompa loompa doompadee doo,
I’m keeping up better on Day 2.
Trying to gauge whose posts feel false
Before momentum waivers and stalls.

omg g-man, nothing against you but I will be so glad when this Oompa Loompa thing is over. I don't understand what auto-distrust is but I guess you can't explain it until you're uncursed. Or maybe you can?

Ok I'm shutting down now, everything else will have to wait until morning.

Good morning everyone.

I'm caught up and have to say Mac made me burst out laughing. He hasn't displayed the behavior I was looking for to be certain that he's scum so at this moment neither he nor Radish strike me as good candidates for a lynch today. Further, he now has me antsy about Jack. I don't need to be reminded how easily I can be taken in by Jack. And finally, I know he said he's not pushing Drago but wth is going on with Drago anyway. He's a complete non-entity.

This morning I'm going to take a look at Sloonei and see if I can indentify why I have had trouble seeing him as town. I see nutella has been having some similar feelings about him so I'm not alone. Then unless something else has come up I'll look at Tony. He hasn't responded to my response to his voting me but maybe he hasn't been online since then.

To [mention]Michelle[/mention]: I'm not positive about Nanook's greeness but I don't suspect him at this time (note I haven't looked at his ISO I'm just going by his tone since he's returned).

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] spend time with your wife.

Thoughts about [mention]Sloonei[/mention] - Question is why am I not reading him as town by now.

- Sloonei planted the first seed about Radish being bad - on Day 0. He says that though Radish is new he is being opportunistic (Radish was trying to sort S~V~S and put her in a pink pile) and he doesn't see him being much of an assertive presence. He further clarified saying this was Radishes only read and it was not inspiring. There was nothing in Radish's ISO that would be impossible for an evil Radish to say.

Sloonei, I know we've discussed this sequence in terms of my clarification but what I was left with was an uneasy feeling that you had picked someone brand new and were calling him opportunistic, not assertive and then you threw the "evil" word in there which felt subtly manipulative. This was the first push I see from you about someone and it's someone new on Day 0.

- Ok, I am in your sick days and I think I tended to forget you were sick and was looking for more content. I'm used to you generating a lot of content, but I understand that's not a fair expectation while you're sick. So this "feeling" isn't really legitimate. Also I think the content you were generating I was disagreeing with (about Radish) so that probably shaded things a little more.

- Here's a quote from after your fever lifted "Radishes remains suspect #1. I’m starting to agree with the G-man suspicion as well. Other than that I feel like I still have a lot of things left to figure out." Some of us take a long time to figure out how we feel about people but you are not historically one of those from my memory. So this struck me as wanting to avoid taking a stand on anyone but Radish. On re-read I can see it could just be because your attention was hazy ("big posts hurt my head") for a couple of days.

- Here's another quote: "i've been pretty singularly focused on radishes as a suspect. I want to break out of that this phase." This gets to the heart of what I was feeling about your play. You developed a good (meaning well developed) read of Radishes but then there were no other well developed reads from you. This is different from your town norm in my experience.

So Sloonei this is as close as I can get to why I wasn't feeling a town read on you. On re-read I can see that if Radishes gets lynched and flips scum then you made an inspired catch on Day 0 and should be commended (though that wouldn't make you town unfortunately). Also I'm open to considering that the 72 hours you were sick affected your game play to the point that it created doubts in my mind that you are town. Hopefully from here I will see the town Sloonei I am used to seeing. I'll try to point out anything else that makes me feel squirrelly about you when it happens, if it happens.

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention]

- Tony, I've read this 5 times and still don't understand what your saying. I know "late" should be "early" but I still am not getting it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:35 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:19 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:15 pm I also don't get Jack's so sure read on you. Is that normal for Jack, anyone? I seem to remember a more tempered town!Jack.

In my single game (Inception, a few months ago) Jack looked like he was trying to play like he is now, but without being too noticeable. He was scum in that game, so in retrospect I feel like he was trying to imitate his town game as he perceives it.

This makes me hesitate to vote Jack right now, as much as his overall play has been a bit questionable.

I find that town Jack is more unsure in late game in confident end game and scum Jack is the other way around.

- Tony you did something you called a Power Analysis. I am not familiar with that as a solving tool. It seemed like you were just saying what you would do if you were that role which would just be busywork, something a scum would do. What was the purpose of the Power Analysis?

- I spoilered this next post because it's so long
I liked your response in the first paragraph, open and honest. I'm not sure I get your second paragraph. You had just said "I don’t think any of those are good lynches probably reverse alpha best to worst" about Jack, nutella and Radish but now you say you would have been fine with them. And I still don't see the reason you voted Dizzy.

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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:04 am Vote: Jay because I feel like it

But why?

- You gave reasons for suspecting me and I gave you a response to those reasons. I'd like you to respond back to me if you would. I am thinking you haven't been online since then.


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TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:58 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:56 pm Still think Tony is bad tbh. One of you freaks that’s always asking for more ISOs to do, go check him out

Any beefs beyond the off-wagon vote?

His exchange with you. I had the same thought about his reads list, wondering where those names came from.

I definitely called out the town ones as they went by and think I had said something about each of the scum ones

Tony, you said their names but I didn't see any reasoning except for about me. Could you say a little more about your reads?

Overall Tony I'm not inspired (if I can borrow Sloonei's word) by your posts. You have not provided much content and I don't know what you are thinking. Maybe people who play with you more often can provide some insight because as you said, we have not played together a lot in my memory. I look forward to your response.

I need some more Epignosis. I won't ping him because he has asked us in the past not to do it but Epi, I'd like to know what your reads are at this point.

Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

I should be back about 11:00 and will be here most of the day leading up to EOD.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:37 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:02 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:55 am Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

Thanks, Jules. I tend to have better comprehension reading thread exchanges than ISOs in general, I find I miss less nuance that way, but I will ISO them as well. Colin was a red read for me, but only as a default since I did not remember much of what he had said, and Mac was a red as well since he had not had anything to say after nutella flipped non-baddie, and his whole thing there reminded me of bad Mac (although I tend to baddie read him in general, so my opinion is not always the most valuable there), so they were both on my list.

Also, if there is anything I have to address, let me know.

Also, can anyone give me their take on why sprit voted for Nanook? Out of all the votes I see up there, that is the one that surprises me the most.

I was also busy yesterday but I had a chance to read up on what's been happening. Colin has been getting suspicion for not doing much of anything. A few people namely sloonei and spirit said colin often gets mislynched for this so they were wary of voting him so soon. TH said they're suspicious for defending him. I didn't see that as defending him as much as just being cautious of voting him too early without giving him a chance. I understand this because I get mislynched for my weird playstyle too sometimes but I haven't seen anything from colin that convinces me he's town. I had pointed out that sloonei and spirit haven't been their usual selves in the beginning of the game but I feel like sloonei has been more towny than spirit. Sloonei questioned me on my post and what I meant was if TH was suspecting him because of his difference in playstyle I could have understood that more than sayi g he's bad fir defending colin. I realize I worded that weird.


Sig had a big long post saying he was limited to one post and he thought mac did it. Mac disappeared for awhile and when he came back to find suspicion on him he was in full force mac mode and saying he's going to be mislynched and saying he won all these sockys so he is a good player and how could anyone accuse him and usual mac jokey stuff. He gave some reads and threw some suspicion at jack. I plan to read through his ISO and compare to some other games. He can be pretty tricky to read and as he pointed out he is a good player. I'm wondering if the more emotional mac is a scummy mac that got annoyed he was caught or just a civ mac being annoyed that anyone would suspect him.

I'm trying to enjoy my weekend but I plan to read through the ISOs and I'll be around in and out.

sabie for what it's worth I read those posts about the sockys and other beating his own drum things as him joking. Maybe that's what you're saying here. In Inception when I engaged him about being bad (and he was) he didn't joke around at all. I see that as a good sign for him in this game.

[mention]S~V~S{/mention] I don't have much of a memory of sprityo's vote for Nanook but I'll take a look at it now.

oops sorry about all that red I screwed up the brackets.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:57 am Question to everyone:

What role do you think targeted G Man with this curse? Uncle Fester?

Out of curiosity, why would baddies target a low poster who had very little topical content up to the point he was cursed with a curse of this nature? I would expect them to curse someone with a strong town read and a high post count.

Targeting G Man with this makes little sense to me.

linki, thanks Jules, I was about to go there myself, I am still flitting around the thread. I just like hearing other peoples interpretations of things, it helps me sort them as well as the subject of the opinion, if that makes sense.

Oh ok I won't copy it in here then. It's part of the whole Colin debate.

The only role I saw that had secrets was the Indie that's still in the game, but doesn't that feel odd, that an indie would have a cursing power? I didn't see anything else that looked like a cursing ability. And I have to agree with your logic, it doesn't make much sense that he was targeted.

[mention]G-Man[/mention]

Can you think of a reason someone would target you with a curse? Do you see a role that you think makes sense to be a curser?

Also, I need to understand what this line means:

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:49 pm Oompa loompa doompadee don,
Some things I can’t put my finger on.
Oompa loompa doompadee dee,
Here are some folks who seem off to me.

Jay posts a lot, yes this style’s a given,
But something about him feels agenda-driven.
Sloonei’s sus of me felt hollow at best;
Auto-distrust for Dom and S~V~S.

I need to read the poll leaders.

Oompa loompa doompadee doo,
I’m keeping up better on Day 2.
Trying to gauge whose posts feel false
Before momentum waivers and stalls.

If you can fit the answers to those questions into the Oompa Loompa format I would be grateful. I'm from the old school that says it's bad form to vote for someone who's cursed or silenced but I'm having doubts about this being a real curse.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:16 pm Some notes:

- I feel Colin is more likely town than scum for his righteousness. "Lynch me and I'll laugh at you". Annoying attitude, but probably likelier town than scum.

- I don't feel like lynching Mac is a good idea. I don't know. I kind of buy his defense, and i also feel like how he's giving out reads and thoughts rapidly, but then at the same time warns against "you should probably not listen to these" is more town. It's town doubt that he doesn't want to be fully responsible for those reads. That's my feeling.

- I'm honestly getting cold feet on Radish, but that is just because it would suck so much if he's town here.

- I can't follow the convo between Juliets and Sloonei at all.

I agree with you on Colin, I'm not certain but after all the discussion I'm leaning town.

I also agree on Mac. His reaction to being suspected is much different than his reaction from Inception where he was bad.

Sorry about the convo between me and Sloonei being unfollowable. I was trying to put into words a tone read and it was hard.

lots of linki

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:13 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:28 amSecondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Wait. I disagree that Mac is spewed as not the silencer/not on the silencing team. But even if he was, as you argue, that does not spew him as not scum, it just spews him as not on that team. Unless you are on the other team.

@S~V~S @Juliets Thoughts? Too simple?

Dizzy, I am having trouble following what you guys are saying. I need to go back and read ted's whole post so I understand what he's referencing.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:42 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:39 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:35 pmlinki @Dyslexicon I saw that post earlier. I am missing the nuance of that post. I don't think a person has to be a specific role on a team for a different teammate to act on their behalf. If this is not the point, can you spell it out for me?

That is not the point. I'll explain:
Ted says the Mac spewed himself as not a member of the silencing-team, ergo ONE of the mafia teams.
He then concludes this spews Mac as not scum.
But that is not a conclusion you can draw. Even if Ted is right, that just means Mac is not on THAT mafia team. There's still another team. I wonder if this is a slip of mind that Ted is on the other team himself.

Does this make sense?

Ted is basically saying: "[This] proves that Mac is not on Team A which means he's not scum."
And I say:

I'm a bit wary of these slips, cause sometimes it's just bad wording. But still, it may be something.

Dizzy I see your point. My first assumption would be that he just wasn't remembering that we have two mafia teams but maybe that thought is naive. I would like to see ted's response to your point. (I can't get the mention thing to work for some reason).

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:54 pm I mean, there isn't really any question coming from Dys towards me, so how do you expect me to engage that? It's just a tinfoil that I don't care about. Should I?

I just though you might have some reaction to him saying you slipped there. If you don't that's ok too.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:55 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:53 pmDizzy I see your point. My first assumption would be that he just wasn't remembering that we have two mafia teams but maybe that thought is naive. I would like to see ted's response to your point. (I can't get the mention thing to work for some reason).

Not remembering? I can't make my brain function because the thread is flowing with scum and it's impossible to see anything in this mess that is this huge multiball. How can you not remember?

Ok fair point.

Tranq said he suspected TH? I'm losing my mind.

OK, I'm going to go back and look at some other people but for now my biggest suspicion is G-Man so I'm going to vote there.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Also, my other suspicion is Tony but I want to give him time to reply to my post from this morning. I need to get a better understanding of him.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:16 pm who first suggested g-man was cursed?

I think I did.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:18 pm why were you thinking that and now are suggesting he wasn't after S~V~S pointed it out?

I was thinking that because he was posting in Oompa Loompa format. This used to be a pretty big thing where we are from - people got cursed like this in almost every game.

I didn't just start thinking it when S~V~S pointed it out. I had already gone back and looked at all the roles and found one with secrets but it didn't make sense that that role would have a curse ability to me. So it's been simmering in the back of my mind.

If he is not cursed, why is he posting in a format that limits what he can say? Why would you want to do that?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:32 pm Responding to @juliets ISO post about me:

I make no apologies about my radishes suspicion. He stood out to me when the game was just getting started and I’ve continued to feel that way. I am open to other names and have been making an effort to explore other options today. Also when I called him “evil” I was just trying to be cute and come up with alternative words for “baddie”, “scum”, “mafia”, etc. Because I’m just so clever. I think I also threw around the word “naughty” earlier. I wasn’t trying to be manipulative. Just silly.

As for everything else you said about my activity and engagement, I’ll blame it on the sickness. But I disagree with the point that I don’t take a long time to figure things out. Maybe it comes across that way because I’m loud and assertive, but I’ll often go into Day 3 without a lot of confident reads. I can’t just scan the thread and make snap judgments of people, I rely on my process. Sometimes the games takes a while to open up. Being sick knocked me off my rhythm for a few days and stunted my Day 1. I try to be as open as I can when I’m communicating my reads, so if I don’t have many strong ones I’m going to say as much. I feel like I have a better grasp on the overall layout of this game than I did 36 hours ago, but it’s still not as great as I’d like it to be.

OK Sloonei I appreciate your response. I'm warming up to you as time goes by.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:34 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

Self-imposed restrictions are a good way to hide IF the player is hiding behind the restriction. Do we think that G-man is doing that here?

I also acknowledge that you made a post about Mac’s Day 1. I will take a closer look at that soon.

If he wasn't cursed (which is the final conclusion I came to before voting him), then it seems to me he was limiting himself. "Seemed to be" though - I want to hear him out.

I'm taking a break and hope G-Man is one when I get back.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:26 pm Can we stop the G-Man quirk conversation. It goes nowhere. Why are people voting him? "Low content"?

Originally I voted him because I was convinced he wasn't cursed and was affecting a shtick to hide behind and not have to engage in many reads or in-the-moment discussions which I think are harder for scum. Epi boiled it down pretty well - what has he really done during this Day 2?

But I'm unclear now what is going on. He never came back after lunch to say anything. I was expecting him to provide some content, some reads, engage in the game and maybe tell us what he gained by the curse so I could get a better read on him.

At any rate, I see your request and will not talk about this any more until he comes back. I have a couple of more people I want to look at to decide where I will move my vote if that's what I do.

linki

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:51 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:49 pm maybe it's just cuz i've had bigger fish to fry

I like fried fish. Tell me about these fish that need frying.

Read jack my brotha, specifically my interaction with him last night in real-time re: Mac

I'm off to do this. I am so bad at reading Jack.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] I don't know what you mean about me name dropping you over nothing. Please explain.

Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

How would you describe that difference between the two games? I do believe Mac is not a binary character, but I am open to whatever you have in mind.

I was trying to not talk about what I saw when he was bad because he'll just not do it but that is hampering me being able to discuss him. In Inception his style was chaos posting. He was all over the place with his reads and thoughts and at one point even said that when he's bad he tends to post like iaafr (who is a chaos poster regardless of alignment). I haven't seen him doing that here. He flipped on nutella/Jack but someone - I can't remember who this game is so flooded - walked through that flip and it made sense to me. Anyway, it wasn't chaos posting.

In Inception when I finally confronted him he didn't make jokes that I recall like he did here. He was more "serious" (if I can use that word in relation to Mac) than he was here when he was arguing about his innocence.

The primary difference though is his posting style. I just see a different Mac here.

What do you mean when you say he is not binary? Do you mean his meta is not clearly "good" Mac and "bad" Mac?

Thanks [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I will read back on Mac and decide if that's where I should be. I'm so annoyed with G-Man for taking up so much time getting the Oompa Loompa's right when he could have been sharing more thoughts, asking questions, etc. but I don't think my annoyance is worth a vote. His content lacks but there are others whose content is even more lacking.

[mention]sabie12[/mention] it still wasn't the kind of chaos posting he did in Inception but I'm going back now to his posts in this game and rethink him. Jay's comment about him not being binary has helped.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

All I know is that Jack has a very narrow focus this game. I remember, years ago probably, playing a multiball game with him when we were on opposite teams. We tunneled each other that game. So I don't think him going hard for Nut D1 is evidence of him being town, like he said (because he was prefer to be more under the radar as scum).

Thinking about it, I've never played with Jack without him giving a read on me. I don't think he has this game. I don't know why.

Sorry, probably not helpful. It still feels like D1 for me. No real leads.

Thanks Dizzy, it does help. And yeah I feel like Day 1 too.

I will be moving off of G-Man, just deciding where to go.

My gut is telling me to vote Jack.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:54 pm Like beyond Mac’s teammates dogpiling, I haven’t a clue why I’m being voted for. I’m insanely town here. Did a bunch of stuff yesterday I wouldn’t have done as a wolf.

Like what?