The Syndicate

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:59 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:58 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:44 am
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:56 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:50 am DH and Mac town v Town. Because their entire arguement wasted time and accomplished close to nothing.
But who is bad?
Want you to check my iso and look about 3 posts above this one. The one where I say Speedchuck is mafia if DH’s theory of one mafia per house holds true

And the one after it where I tell juliets how that post was ignored like redheaded stepchild
sprityo, I went back and looked at that post but the only person you have listed as bad that I can see is speed. Is there anyone else? We are mostly dealing with a pool of candidates now that we think are bad. Who is that pool for you?
I don’t have a pool

ok so does that mean speed is your only suspicion?

For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much

Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:13 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:09 am For everyone:

Has anyone given any thought to 'why Epi' for the kill?
Assuming the scum did it, Epi is a good target, for kills or other actions. If it wasn’t purely kill motivated maybe they learned his spells and he had good ones. It does kind of feel like scum are trying to outsmart docs to an extent though with some of the kills.

Yeah it just is odd to me that they picked him over some others who will remain nameless. But there have been several kills that don't make a lot of sense. I'm going to check out what he was saying before he died - maybe they didn't like it.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:21 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much
Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?
That’s the thing Juliets I don’t have many thoughts

Why do I need to participate when there’s perfectly capable people who can? It’s not like megaman where I needed to step up to the plate. Jay and Mac and DH are all strong enough.

If I wanted to start anywhere it would be confirming them as good or bad, but that in itself is a monumental task

Mafia are playing hard mode keeping all three alive. Is there a reason for that?

We need you to participate if you're civ because Jay, Mac and DH don't know everything. Their reads could be wrong - I've seen it happen. Or, pertinent to your question, maybe one of them is a deep wolf. The more heads we put together the better our results will be. Your question is a good one and relates to my "Why Epi" question.

I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:43 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:41 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 1:08 am
Another important factor in all of this is INH's resurrection. Do we think that was an accident, or something the Death Eaters actively conspired toward? If the latter, then they'd be basing their entire strategy for the day around it. The potential for bold and wacky lies would be greater in that case. Speedchuck's claim seems more calculated than Quin's.
If the former, and they were as surprised as the rest of us to see INH back among the living today, then they'd have to improvise their plans for the day. Quin's claim seems like the more improvised of the two.

Juliets claims to have attempted to resurrect Turnip Head last night, but Turnip Head is certifiably not resurrected. Instead we have INH. The presence of [SECRETS] makes it difficult to speculate on what might have happened, but it's unclear from the visible abilities whether or not they could have knowingly redirected a resurrection onto one of their dead partners. It's possible they had a more general redirection which was used on Juliets, and because her ability was targeting a dead player, the pool of potential target changes shifted the dead roster, and INH's name happened to be plucked from there. In any event, what we know is that Juliets' claimed night action did not happen, but that the same action was carried out on a different player who happens to be bad.

All of this is to say that we have a lot of variables and unknowns and this is confusing so it's a good thing we have a confirmed scum to default to today or else we'd all have died of confusion by now. Someone please help.
My belief is that they actively conspired toward it. I think they used a spell that told them the power that Glorf had, maybe night 2, and knew to try and target it night 3 because something I didn't even notice myself is it's an odd night power (which could explain why Glorf didn't use it night 1). I only read the top of my role card and didn't notice that underneath it said it was an odd night power. So I think the mafia knew their chances were good that I would use it at my first opportunity night 3. They may have even thought Glorf would have used it night 3 - he may not have wanted to use it night 1 when there was only one person to choose from to rezz.

Anyway, this is all speculation based on the fact I think they used Imperio on me and probably knew about the Phoenix because they pointed the power to a dead person, INH. But again, I'm just guessing. I don't really understand what you mean by it happening by "accident". Would they have directed to a dead player by accident?
Wait... Are you saying the rezz is not a one shot??

No I did not mean to imply that. It was a 1 shot.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:40 pm I read through Epi's posts. There are not that many of them if you want to look. Epi's last prime suspect was Luna but his last vote was for Colin. I asked him why and he said he would tell us when he got some rest but then he got killed. He had some others he thought were bad, I can reprint his last list if you like. I just don't know that a hard Luna suspicion and/or a hard Colin suspicion would have drawn a kill. But there had to be some reason why they killed him - he wasn't supatowning.
Maybe he was killed because of his low activity? Which players usually kill off inactives as mafia?

I don't have any idea Luna. I'm doubtful he was killed for inactivity though. Everyone knew he could not read the pages at school so he couldn't keep up with the posting frequency of some others. Plus, he's a well respected player with good insights regardless of his frequency.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 3:17 pm I'm kinda taking for granted here that Epi wasn't killed because Luna or Colin was specifically worried about him. Epi wasn't really making waves in the thread. If I was in Luna or Colin's shoes as scum, I wouldn't be scured enough to kill him.

I'm not taking it for granted as Epi sometimes gets something in his head and gnaws it like a bone if he really believes someone is bad. Could be scum decided to nip it in the bud, especially given Epi was not one likely to be protected (Jay's avoidance theory). With that said Colin is definitely out of my POE and Luna is hanging on by a hair. I just mention it because it's another angle to consider if we get more info down the road.

Avoidance of protections is a possibility, I admit. A good theory.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 7:20 pm So he probably killed one of juliets or Kyle on n2. Jules did your previous self use a hippogriff perhaps? That would be funny lol especially since they made you rez him too

Yes that would be funny. I can't talk about my past abilities though, I'm sorry.

Also [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] you don't know how bad I wanted to yell at Sloonei and poutanko for staying speedchuck - they are in my house. If there was some point to not moving to INH I might understand but as far as I'm concerned they denied us all some neat little power. Not happy and I'd love to hear their explanation for it.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:46 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:43 pm i dont get it but i agree wholeheartedly that i should be confirmed town
INH have patronum, you have patronum. You should be Town if no same ability on maf team

Wait, what? INH had patronum and so does Quin but why does that make him town? And what about Colin? Why is he confirmed town? Please explain it to me like I'm 5. I'll be thrilled if both can be confirmed I just want to make sure I understand it.

POE list for Jay:

speed
sprityo
sloonei
quin
jack
kara
luna

@JaggedJimmyJay see above ^ ^ ^

I'll be honest, I'm having a hard time with the Quin/speed issue. My mind tells me one is bad, my heart tells me they are civ. I need to nail down what we know about Quin given the INH reveal. I know there has been talk about it but for some reason it's hard for me to process. I'm not usually THIS dumb. Anyway, if anyone has any bullet points for what that reveal told us about Quin I'd love to see them, otherwise I'm going to try to bullet them myself.

This is just a housekeeping issue but fyi I cannot read anything that is highlighted in yellow or that bright green, especially at night. I know I can quote the post and see it in black and white but if you could use another color I would really be grateful.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:46 am It's possible Quin is town. His actions make more sense if he's town.

I just don't know HOW

I'm reading genuquin, and reality took a crap on my quindar

so speed, I am looking at this post and trying to reconcile it with your scum list. This post makes it sound like you are seeing Quin as civ but he's on your scum list - what am I missing?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:46 am It's possible Quin is town. His actions make more sense if he's town.

I just don't know HOW

I'm reading genuquin, and reality took a crap on my quindar
so speed, I am looking at this post and trying to reconcile it with your scum list. This post makes it sound like you are seeing Quin as civ but he's on your scum list - what am I missing?
Have you read day 4?

yes but didn't the reveal of INH at the end of day 4 include something (I'll have to go back and see what) that made Quin seem more town? I want to say Poutanko pointed it out. I thought it explained how his night action could be true. I'll go back and look.

@speedchuck this post is the one I'm thinking about.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:13 pm @juliets Back up wagon Idk if maf has anything to redirect the lynch or make it fail again and INH vote was still valid yesterday. Colin should be cleared now.

Quin should be cleared also unless maf has another member with patronum.

@Sloonei It's Divination. What I think:
>Timmer vouched for Speed and said his kill was redirected to novase that made him read Speed as Town. This make sense for me to get guilty result if Speed dodo-ing himself to novase. He said he didn't have it. There's Jay's block on Timmer also.
>I might be Imperio'd to target someone else and ended up getting guilty but that's weird, it makes more sense if maf redirect me to inno target instead of a guilty one (it's N1). Some dodo might switch my "new" intended target to a guilty one.
>No Imperio on me and some dodo hit Speed but then how did it end up with novase if Speed has no redirect himself? Novase was modblocked. More than 1 dodo?
>Secrets

Speed's posts, his interaction with LC, LC defended him and vice versa (Speed especially on N3) - not town. Act like scum, talk like scum, I won't call him Mathilda

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:53 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:19 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:46 am It's possible Quin is town. His actions make more sense if he's town.

I just don't know HOW

I'm reading genuquin, and reality took a crap on my quindar
so speed, I am looking at this post and trying to reconcile it with your scum list. This post makes it sound like you are seeing Quin as civ but he's on your scum list - what am I missing?
Have you read day 4?
yes but didn't the reveal of INH at the end of day 4 include something (I'll have to go back and see what) that made Quin seem more town? I want to say Poutanko pointed it out. I thought it explained how his night action could be true. I'll go back and look.
Suppose the mafia only has one player with a patronus.

Since INH had a patronus, that makes anyone else with a patronus town.

Quin claims to have a patronus. If Quin is town, he is telling the truth about this.

Therefore, if Quin is town and the mafia don’t have duplicate powers, Quin is town.

This is the argument Pout puts forth. I’m sure you can see the problem with this reasoning.

Yes, I do. So do you think Quin just tossed off that patronus line to timmer (as quoted by JJJ) as a lie? But why? Why say anything unless he is trying to combat what speed said about him visiting LC. The thing I need to nail down is did he toss off that line before or after speed said he visited LC. It seems like he said it before but I need to check.

Ok so it looks like speed had said that timmer did not target LC, timmer confirmed that and then Quin came in with his patronus line. In between those things Quin also asked speed to share everything he knew but speed had not by the time Quin said to timmer you wasted my patronus. So it's possible Quin realized speed had watched LC - though speed had not said that yet - and so he threw out the patronus line to establish that he had visited timmer instead. But is it probable that Quin realized what speed had done at that point in time? speed asked for Quin to share what he had done and speed would share what he had done and Quin's response was:

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus
Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did
well i know what you did and you know what i did so i reckon nah

So @Quin what did you mean when you said "I know what you did..."

If this has already been asked and answered just direct me there.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:39 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:38 pm It all comes down to Phenon Golden.
That's too long ago for my feeble brain, can you help me out here

Agreed. I can't even remember everything thats happened in this game much less one that was so long ago.

If poutanko was redirected night 1 wouldn't his results have shown someone other than Bullzeye? Or is that not the way it works? Also is Imperio the only thing that could have redirected him? I looked at that dirithingy but couldn't quite figure out how that would work. It would seem odd to me to use Imperio before you even knew what a player's power was because it can only be used one time for each player.

I know I'm asking some nitpick questions but I'm just trying to look at all angles of the Quin/speed thing.

linki yes I did post a list

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:25 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:21 pm If poutanko was redirected night 1 wouldn't his results have shown someone other than Bullzeye? Or is that not the way it works? Also is Imperio the only thing that could have redirected him? I looked at that dirithingy but couldn't quite figure out how that would work. It would seem odd to me to use Imperio before you even knew what a player's power was because it can only be used one time for each player.

I know I'm asking some nitpick questions but I'm just trying to look at all angles of the Quin/speed thing.

linki yes I did post a list
I asked the host about my watch. Apparently if I'd been redirected to say timmer, I would have seen who watched Timmer, but not that I was watching Timmer. That's what I understood, anyway. So no, the results would have just said SCUM/TOWN afaik.

Scum have secrets. We cannot know what else redirected. Except Diricawl, which you mentioned.

Diricawl would mean that some scum switched themselves with me on night 1, and Pout targeted them instead of me. Not inconceivable. It's the perfect measure against cop checks, trackers, and other info roles.

Thanks speed - very clear.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:30 pm Pretty wild how Glorf/Juliets had a rezz this whole time and the one time it gets used a baddie gets rezzed huh

This whole time? Glorf could have used it night 1 only because it was an odd night only use, and then I used it the first night I was back in the game, night 3.

linki

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:32 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:30 pm Pretty wild how Glorf/Juliets had a rezz this whole time and the one time it gets used a baddie gets rezzed huh
It's apparently an odd-night only power.

Glorf prolly didn't use it night one because JJJ wasn't dead yet. (or someone of equivalence)

But if you want to explore this, I'm all ears.
Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.

I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.
It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.
Why do you need suspicion?

Because of the truth meta. Glorf claimed town before I replaced him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:39 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:37 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:34 pm Pretty crazy how Glorf/Juliets didn't use their rezz to bring back TH who was confirmed ciiv lol thats nuts man I'm trippin out.
It was Glorf at the time, and I could totally see him refusing to rez TH. 100%.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:36 pm I tried to bring back Turnip Head - thats who I targeted. But continue on I need some suspicion.
Why do you need suspicion?
Because of the truth meta. Glorf claimed town before I replaced him.
I understand this.

Why do you need suspicion? What are you/we supposed to do with it?

if I'm suspicious I'm less likely to be night killed.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:41 pm Hufflepuff

Speedchuck 2.0
Epignosis
juliets 2.0
Sloonei
poutanko
Soneji - civilian

Soneji ain't bad.
Epignosis ain't bad
Juliets 2.0 aint bad
----

Chuckeye
Poutanko
Sloonei

These are your 3 suspects for D5 my people.

DH, do you think poutanki lied about his cop checks and/or is not a cop at all? Or is there something else about him that is bothering you?

EBWOP - poutanko

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:47 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:46 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:41 pm Hufflepuff

Speedchuck 2.0
Epignosis
juliets 2.0
Sloonei
poutanko
Soneji - civilian

Soneji ain't bad.
Epignosis ain't bad
Juliets 2.0 aint bad
----

Chuckeye
Poutanko
Sloonei

These are your 3 suspects for D5 my people.
DH, do you think poutanki lied about his cop checks and/or is not a cop at all? Or is there something else about him that is bothering you?

why are you reluctant to share your "whys"?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.

oh, so they are back somewhere in your iso. ok cool.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.
oh, so they are back somewhere in your iso. ok cool.

Ok I went back to the point where you brought up your Hufflepuff idea but the only person you mentioned any suspicion of in Hufflepuff is Sloonei. You were asked twice who you thought was bad and you said you'd tell us today. You've done that but I cannot find reasons. Can you point me to the post where you explained your poutanko suspicion? I just don't have time to go back even further in your ISO.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 3:51 pm I already shared my why's.
oh, so they are back somewhere in your iso. ok cool.
Ok I went back to the point where you brought up your Hufflepuff idea but the only person you mentioned any suspicion of in Hufflepuff is Sloonei. You were asked twice who you thought was bad and you said you'd tell us today. You've done that but I cannot find reasons. Can you point me to the post where you explained your poutanko suspicion? I just don't have time to go back even further in your ISO.
I didn't. I don't currently have a reason to suspect Poutanko, because I haven't read their posts.

ok so your suspicions are based on believing there is a scum in Hufflepuff and those are the people you have left after ruling out the others. Thats my assumption out of this anyway.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go
Why tho

Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go
Why tho
Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.
OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.

I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm Gimme your detailed thoughts on Colin. Go
Why tho
Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.
OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.
I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.
OK. I don't want to start anywhere so I will do that.

You have really let Mac and Jay do a number on you.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:49 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:46 pm

Why tho
Because discussion of candidates for scum is what helps the town find the bad guys.
OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.
I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.
OK. I don't want to start anywhere so I will do that.
You have really let Mac and Jay do a number on you.
Have I?

I believe so but there is no point discussing it.

linki nutella - sorry nut it just looked like you started at the beginning. Tbh I'd like to hear about Colin too.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:06 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:55 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:51 pm

OK But why me tho and why Colin tho I very clearly stated who I suspect and why much earlier and much more often. Forcing me to make up shit just because "Honka Tonka Spreadsheet" or whatever the fuck isn't going to do anyone any favors.
I think nutella just took the one at the top of the list, no other reason. Start wherever you want.
OK. I don't want to start anywhere so I will do that.
You have really let Mac and Jay do a number on you.
Have I?
I believe so but there is no point discussing it.

linki nutella - sorry nut it just looked like you started at the beginning. Tbh I'd like to hear about Colin too.
If there's no point in discussing it why'd you bring it up :P

If you wanna hear about Colin, talk about Colin. I'm Not Colin. I'm also not interested in making up shit to please nutella or anyone else. I'll suspect who I suspect and you guys do what you want to do.

I brought it up because I want you to shake it off and return to your normal town game. I'm sure you'll tell me this IS your normal town game so I'll just say it for you.

So, I'll say regarding Colin that the reason I'm seeing him as town is because of the cop check. So if people thing poutanko is lying its of interest to me why that would be (which is how the whole DH conversation started). If there are reasons to consider Colin as scum, I'd like to discuss those too.

Also I think I've overdosed on speed and Quin things so I'm ready to talk about something else.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 5:14 pm Also I think I've overdosed on speed and Quin things so I'm ready to talk about something else.
Am I not entertaining enough for you?

haha you are but I can't think about that night action puzzle between you and Quin anymore today! Unless someone comes up with a brainstorm.

linki yes @Sloonei I should have put that more as a "lying or redirected" thought. Thanks for your thoughts.

Also linki ok I'll look at sprityo first since it will be pretty easy I think

so the post that sticks out to me about sprityo is one that has come up before - this one:

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:21 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:15 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:10 am Yeah pretty much
Ok I'm asking you all these questions because it's extremely important that you give us some thoughts of where you stand on things. Right now you are sorted into the POE mostly because you haven't participated much and we don't know where you stand on whose good or bad or any other thing going on in the thread. I know you really didn't want to play this game but now that you're here why not share some thoughts?
That’s the thing Juliets I don’t have many thoughts

Why do I need to participate when there’s perfectly capable people who can? It’s not like megaman where I needed to step up to the plate. Jay and Mac and DH are all strong enough.

If I wanted to start anywhere it would be confirming them as good or bad, but that in itself is a monumental task

Mafia are playing hard mode keeping all three alive. Is there a reason for that?

Now I have no trouble believing that a scum sprityo would lay low but as someone else brought up, would a scum sprityo say what he says here? Why participate when there are others who are doing it? And he says he doesn't need to step up to the plate. That's pretty gutsy for a scum to say, yet I still feel like his lack of participating reads bad.

@sprityo what I'm going to say to you is YES, you do need to step up to the plate and help us solve this game. Get your hands dirty - the only people who understand what's happening are the mafia so don't worry about looking foolish - just play!

lol, I don't understand specifically what you guys are doing but thanks for doing it!

@Quin by the time you get here I am exhausted (not your fault that your time zone is so different). If you have any further thoughts that would help on the puzzle of you and speed please put them out there.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:56 am Sorry that failed quote, I kept getting logged out so I tried to delete it.

pout, we are not allowed to delete posts in a mafia game. If you think you need something deleted contact DDL or dunya and they can do it for you. You may notice if someone screws up a quote they just post again with it corrected instead of deleting.

poutanko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 9:09 am I didn't delete/edit the post with failed tag. What I meant to say is I tried to delete the quote part from my draft (is that the correct term?) because I kept getting logged out if I add it. Ended up with part of it deleted from my draft before I posted and already posted before I can remove that part properly. I hope that's clear enough >_>

Ohhhhh I see. Wow that's such a weird problem you are having with the log out. So annoying for you. I wish we could figure out what is wrong. Does everyone up our chain of command know about this issue? I know I have seen it mentioned, I just want to make sure the admins know about it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:24 am I'm so behind. Thanks for the extra long night phase, DDL. So what's going on here?

Jay and nutella are doing an interactive spreadsheet to map out who looks bad. Then town is going to work the spreadsheet as a group.

There is no resolution to the Quin v. Speedchuck issue. At least in my opinion. speed has a different opinion and so does Quin.

DH doesn't seem to want to participate anymore, hopefully he will change his mind.

There's a lot of other stuff but those are my highlights.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 12:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:18 pm Somebody else propose things for me to naysay.
Mac is scum because he farted on the vig kills.

Sprityo is town because he doesn't feel any duty to put forth full effort for his team.

Sloonei is town because Owner was town.

Colin is scum because of how quickly the Glorf wagon picked up when the lynch was between Colin and Long Con. (I know this one paints me in shadow and I don't care.)

Have fun.
Poutanko claimed she copped Colin, and he was town, right? And she copped you and you're scum. You say it is exactly opposite from what she said. And yet you still believe she is town? If you are indeed town, then Poutanko and Colin would make a lot more sense as scummates.

Poutanko did claim those things. The question is whether either of those reads is a false read due to a redirection. I don't think anyone has proved she was not redirected though someone jump in here if I am wrong. There's just SO much to try and remember.

haha I missed that too!

It's very slow this morning - we seem to be all talked out.

you're doing great nutella, thanks for doing this.

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