The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:05 pm I have received another question. Answer:
Roleblocks resolve before all other actions.

This is what he said.

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy night.

I've got to parse through this info again, very carefully.

It does seem a little odd that Wilgy said "JK" instead of "the host made an error in giving me my results".

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:01 pm also can we not have any historical revisionism about the wilgy lie thing

you did not "catch wilgy in a lie"

he claimed it first thing in the day, and then we asked tutuu if she was blocked and she said no, and then we were all like "uh, that's weird".

Sure. Oh, wait, I doubt anyone reading would say that Wilgy was on the chair before I put him there.

But Tim you're wrong. Wilgy had a ton of votes that over time shifted to you. You just missed that part. The question for me remains where to end up but I'm not parsing through it tonight while I'm tired.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:08 pm @Oddmerta

Add to my legacy that I think voting me over Wilgy is just plain silly. You have an excuse of sorts because you have been tunneling right along off your day zero nonsense read so while silly it's at least consistent. Lots of people are gonna try to defend their silliness with "I only did what Alison said." Make the point that while that excuses the silliness it is laziness.

Tim, give the rest of us some credit. I would never, ever say "I only did what Alison said" or anything like that. I'm going to make my own decision though I will consider what Alison and others like dya, spf, Mac, etc. have to say. Please do not insult us.

Ok I'm stepping away for the night.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:52 pm Answering several privately asked questions all at once:

I am not currently aware of any Host errors occurring on Night 2.

Ok this was my question and was targeted at whether Sloonei would tell us if he made an error reporting results. So, this means Wilgy saying "JK, it was a host error" is not true. The host didn't make an error in notifying Wilgy of results of his "JPIC track". This makes me much more suspicious of Dr. Wilgy. [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] do you have another explanation you want to offer regarding why you first said JPIC didn't move and then changed that to JK, JPIC visited tutuu?

I still have my vote on Tim right now much for the same reason as tutuu in that I consider him a higher risk to be 3P but I could change it to Wilgy before the day is out. Chances seem good to me that Wilgy is mafia and Tim is 3P, though I guess Tim could be town. My 3P suspicion is born mostly from Tim's heated arguments that he should live.

[mention]dyachei[/mention] I'm very interested in your opinion of Tim here as to whether you see the 3P possibility or just how you feel about that possibility. The way I read you last night you are seeing him as town but I just want to make sure.

I tapped dya for an opinion because she was involved in the conversation last night but I would be interested in anyone's thoughts on Tim as 3P (those of you who haven't given an opinion).

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:26 am @juliets i think he could be 3p but I'm still more focused on finding wolves. And i think wilgy fits that better

Ok dya that makes sense. I'm on the verge of changing myself, just re-reading some things.

Does anyone remember someone last night explaining why Wilgy as a wolf would falsify the JPIC info? I mean there's no question it is falsified I'm just trying to get the motive straight in my head. I swear someone explained it but I can't find it.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:01 pm juliets it might have been alisom

Thanks! I'll search her ISO.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:20 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 11:52 pm Answering several privately asked questions all at once:

I am not currently aware of any Host errors occurring on Night 2.

Ok this was my question and was targeted at whether Sloonei would tell us if he made an error reporting results. So, this means Wilgy saying "JK, it was a host error" is not true. The host didn't make an error in notifying Wilgy of results of his "JPIC track". This makes me much more suspicious of Dr. Wilgy. @DrWilgy do you have another explanation you want to offer regarding why you first said JPIC didn't move and then changed that to JK, JPIC visited tutuu?

I still have my vote on Tim right now much for the same reason as tutuu in that I consider him a higher risk to be 3P but I could change it to Wilgy before the day is out. Chances seem good to me that Wilgy is mafia and Tim is 3P, though I guess Tim could be town. My 3P suspicion is born mostly from Tim's heated arguments that he should live.

@dyachei I'm very interested in your opinion of Tim here as to whether you see the 3P possibility or just how you feel about that possibility. The way I read you last night you are seeing him as town but I just want to make sure.

Nope. Got a message saying JPIC didn't visit anyone then shortly afterwards got a message that said there was a correction and JPIC visited Tutuu.

So [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] how do you explain Sloonei's comment that no host errors were made?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:36 pm I actually raised a theory that there was a falsification effect in play causing Sloonei to send an additional message that was false

The thing is, according to Wilgy he originally sent a message that JPIC didn't move, then sent a corrected report - but Sloonei says there were no host errors made. Yet Wilgy remains adamant. I don't know what to make of this.

Alison, did you see a reason that Wilgy as wolf would fabricate the information about JPIC? I'm in your ISO but not finding it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:40 pm If that theory is true then JPIC stayed home (the first message was true) and Sloonei sent the second message about him visiting tutuu as a false report.

Also I interpreted the "no host errors" comment as being a statement that there were no issues with night action resolution. The phrase "at this point in time" makes me think it's a "yes, everyone has gotten the proper info right now" and not "I have never made a mistake sending a night report up til now"

Hmm. ok. I will try to become un-fixated on this. I'll double check the exact question I sent in. Maybe there was room for misinterpretation.

Ok my mistake. My question wasn't what I remembered. I just wasted my time on this. Sorry Wilgy.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:36 pm I actually raised a theory that there was a falsification effect in play causing Sloonei to send an additional message that was false

The thing is, according to Wilgy he originally sent a message that JPIC didn't move, then sent a corrected report - but Sloonei says there were no host errors made. Yet Wilgy remains adamant. I don't know what to make of this.

Alison, did you see a reason that Wilgy as wolf would fabricate the information about JPIC? I'm in your ISO but not finding it.

I don't have to make anything of it. I'm flipping Tim today and Wilgy tomorrow and we will let their role cards tell the story.

I don't see a strong reason for Wilgy to fake this, since he already knew JPIC was the capper.

Yeah Alison, my bad. Just ignore my whole issue with what Sloonei said. I'm leaving my vote on Tim. Re-reading your ISO from last night re-convinced me he is the better chop.

Taking a break. Obviously I need one, lol!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:06 pm Regarding falsification, my result is highly unlikely to have been falsified, since Ted did indeed target Tim as claimed by Ted. And that is the result I got.

Are we still Tim > Wilgy? Can someone explain why again? I don't mind. I will put my vote on whomever isn't the yeet so that I can track them.

Dizzy, the feeling right now is Tim over Wilgy because Tim definitely lied if your results are true and no one sees any reason you would falsify your results. Wilgy also could have lied but the feeling is it's better to get rid of Tim who has high wolf equity than Wilgy who is likely mafia and we could chop tomorrow.

If you have time read through Alisons posts from last night she is very detailed about why one vs. the other. And Alison's ISO has some spf quotes about her feelings about it as well.

Wait! Tim has high 3P equity! Not wolf!

Sorry about that error Dizzy. Anyway, it is felt that the 3p is building up their powers over time and that's why we should get rid of the 3P first.

You should probably check back if you can later to make sure something hasn't happened to move us off of Tim.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:23 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:06 pm Regarding falsification, my result is highly unlikely to have been falsified, since Ted did indeed target Tim as claimed by Ted. And that is the result I got.

Are we still Tim > Wilgy? Can someone explain why again? I don't mind. I will put my vote on whomever isn't the yeet so that I can track them.

I believe Tim's seeming desperation level is not Town indicative.

Yes, his desperation to live is an added factor in believing he's 3P since the 3P probably has to live until they accomplish their mission (whatever it is) or to the end of the game.

It is true that for me everything does not fit together perfectly. Something is up with JPIC for example. His living should have made us not have Night 2 open thread but we did. Host says it wasn't host error. Night 2 was also the night Wilgy says he tracked JPIC to tutuu. So the whole JPIC N2 thing is just weird. Maybe there was some crazy day action that caused the open night and Wilgy just lied like most people are saying. But the whole thing is suspect to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:44 pm Open question, how confident are we in Dya as town?

The points that she's made and the questions she's asked seem solidly town to me. Someone along the way said she's in her town meta but that doesn't matter to me quite as much. I know to respect her wolf game but I just haven't seen anything to suggest it. Do you see something Dizzy?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:47 pm Oh. JPIC was the reason thread wasn't open on N1. And here I was hoping Cindy Kate had finally come to its senses. What if someone vanillarized JPIC or some similar action, making his whole role useless? Night was open and Tutu wasn't capped. Looks like he was out of function. Does that make things make more sense?

It seems like he would know he was vanillarized because the night was open and thus not go to visit tutuu but I'm guessing. Something definitely happened and it could have been along those lines.

Could there be a misdirector in the mafia or the rogue who misdirected Tim's role block? To who though. Hmm.

Actually it could have been misdirected to me and I would have never known it because two protectives were on Alison if I remember correctly, and tutus protect protected against all things.

Doesn't solve the JPIC part but I'm not convinced the JPIC stuff doesn't just stand on it's own.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:17 pm Could there be a misdirector in the mafia or the rogue who misdirected Tim's role block? To who though. Hmm.

Actually it could have been misdirected to me and I would have never known it because two protectives were on Alison if I remember correctly, and tutus protect protected against all things.

Switch/redirect is possible. Kind of unfortunate if it happened if Tim is town, cause it makes my result conflict with his claim of action.

I never know the right name for roles. I had to look up jester in the MU wiki when it came up! Also voyeur -

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:22 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:17 pm Could there be a misdirector in the mafia or the rogue who misdirected Tim's role block? To who though. Hmm.

Actually it could have been misdirected to me and I would have never known it because two protectives were on Alison if I remember correctly, and tutus protect protected against all things.

why would misdirector target tim here?

I don't know Alison, I was just brainstorming possibilities. I guess it doesn't make much sense motive wise.

When I have the time I just like to twist and turn suspicions to make sure I'm looking at all angles.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:23 pm imo we're never going to solve this by debating setup speculation in endless circles so let's just flip tim -> wilgy, see if their roles shed any light on the matter, and if we still can't figure it out we play it mountainous and just straight up ignore night weirdness and exe scummy people. it doesn't matter how twisty the rogue or whatever made the night actions if they get caught on scummy play.

Ok I'll stop. I need to do some work anyway.

Dizzy, I was wrong when I surmised that Sloonei said that and was talking about the JPIC thing. If you keep reading you'll see where I recanted.

Can someone explain Herm's role to me? I don't understand the results we have for him which are 1) Amnesiac - no result and 2) Kid A - no result. These roles that have to do with song titles are mashing together in my mind so I want to be clear on them.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:17 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:16 pm Can someone explain Herm's role to me? I don't understand the results we have for him which are 1) Amnesiac - no result and 2) Kid A - no result. These roles that have to do with song titles are mashing together in my mind so I want to be clear on them.

Every night, Herm selects an album. If any song in that album contains a song used by a member of scum, they are informed of it. As best as I can tell, that is what their role does.

Ok so the "no results" means those albums do not contain scum songs I'm guessing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:24 pm But targeting JPIC probs wouldn't help with that wincon lol.

Would help short term though if someone thought JPIC was the alignment cop.

Tim, speaking of who you think are 3P, who are your top guesses? Maybe you mentioned them earlier but I didn't see it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:31 pm Anyone wanna yeet Samu instead of Tim?

Why tho?

Ok thanks Tim.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:46 pm One of the songbois is probs 3p tbh

I had that same thought.

[mention]Master Radishes[/mention] what is up? You haven't been here since early yesterday morning. I'm used to you being much more of a force in games.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:52 pm @Master Radishes what is up? You haven't been here since early yesterday morning. I'm used to you being much more of a force in games.

Hi.

I'm back to teaching last week/this week, which has cut into my Mafia time. Everytime I check back there's 100+ posts (more when I wake up in the morning) and I can't remember who has what role and everything like that. But Town seems to have this in hand tbh, so I'm not exactly worried about contributing. Basically I'm just feeling pretty useless but also don't feel the need to jump in and change that.

Spoiler: show

I'm considering subbing out of Champs tbh. It's only going to be worse.

Radish, do you remember what your night action is supposed to be tonight? Also, this may be impossible for you but I keep post #6741 (the night plan, its not the original but it will do) and post #6389 (the roles and actions of everyone) up in two other windows while I'm playing in a third. I keep them up even when I take breaks and will keep them up overnight. That way I can reference them when I can't remember.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:13 pm do you guys have any preferences for me to track?

dya, I may be wrong but the plan says for you to track whoever you think might be carrying (the kill) so if we tell you who that might ruin the plan.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:18 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:13 pm do you guys have any preferences for me to track?

If you can work it out, track whoever Juliet protects with her non-lethal power protection. If you actually get a track you are cleared as not 3P.

The plan calls for me to protect Radishes.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] should probably ask you if you want us to keep the same plan in place or whether you've changed your mind about some things. There is time to think about it, we don't have to know until tomorrow.

gone to dinner

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:49 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:18 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:13 pm do you guys have any preferences for me to track?

If you can work it out, track whoever Juliet protects with her non-lethal power protection. If you actually get a track you are cleared as not 3P.

The plan calls for me to protect Radishes.

So a track on Radishes with declaring where he went before he reveals is a 3P clear. Unfortunately I think the plan might already specify where Rasishes is going, and there is zero additional benefit to tracking him since he is lock civilian already.

He has a choice of two people to go to.

It seems like there should be more people around this close to EOD. It makes me nervous.

I fell asleep and missed EOD. Tim, I'm sorry but you looked like the right yeet to me. I appreciate the fact that you kept throwing out ideas/thoughts until the yeet and I promise I will consider what you had to say.

My assignment for the night is Radishes but I'll be around in the morning in case we want to change the plan.

I'm out for the night now unless we have important business to do.

Oh, dya I agree with Alison's list except Samu because Dizzy has him.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:00 am It also doesnt fuck anyone up—watcher is dead, if a tracker sees me go nowhere or sees me go to not the NK it’s meaningless with two mafia alive. I don’t see the downside tbh

Nanook, you're wrong about your assumptions though. Check the plan for tonight.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:46 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:33 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:00 am It also doesnt fuck anyone up—watcher is dead, if a tracker sees me go nowhere or sees me go to not the NK it’s meaningless with two mafia alive. I don’t see the downside tbh

Nanook, you're wrong about your assumptions though. Check the plan for tonight.

Quote it and tag me

Note Radishes action is watcher:

viewtopic.php?p=662122#p662122

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] ^ ^

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:57 am Ok...you’re aware that in that post you linked, part of the quoted plan is:

Nanook target the towniest person that doesn't have cover so you have the best chance to get your double vote.

So uh

I’m not seeing where I’m supposed to stay home tbh

And a watcher should expect there’s a good chance of seeing me near a NK anyways tbh, I’m already cleared not-mafia so it literally does not matter

Ok, I was talking about your assumption that there was no watcher but I may have misunderstood your intent. Just ignore me.