The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.

What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:30 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:21 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:00 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 am What I actually think though is that either speed and kara are bad or quin and sloonei are, and I heavily lean toward the former atm.

What would be their motivation for linking themselves together with the floo story if they're partners? Possibly even the last remaining Death Eaters?

Maybe they are not telling the truth about the floo story? I'm not saying I believe this but isn't it possible?

That’s what my question is getting at. If they’re partners, the story is a lie. But they chose to share it and thus linked themselves together in the thread. It seems a little too conspicuous.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:47 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:43 pm RIP Jay and speed. You both added a lot to the game. Hope to see you in A World Asunder.

So, this means poutanko's information was not good, at least on speed. I don't think it means Quin is evil.

Does it sound like the bad guys killed them both? The write-up kinda does.

I don't think mafia is likely to have killed speed, would make much more sense to be a vig. I don't know that the writeup is meant to hint at stuff like that or not

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:47 pm Unless Quin isn't mafia and they thought flipping speed would throw us off the trail.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 3:58 pm Lol wild that Poutanko came out with that "Hey Chuck is bad" post the day INH got rezzed huh what a crazy coincidence my fellows

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Sloonei, what are you referring to when you say "but after everything happened yesterday"? I'm not sure what you are referring to.

... Quin and Speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm Oh I completely forgot about timmer. Yeah he could be bad, damn it.


And poutanko's speed check was allegedly night 1 (but she didn't claim it til day 4)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:12 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:02 pm Speedchuck has vig kill written all over him. This does not bode well for Quin. It’s still possible he’s town but after the way everything happened yesterday it’s gonna take a lot to feel that way for sure.

On the subject of vig kills, timmer is still alive, which could mean a few things: he’s a Death Eater, or the Death Eaters haven’t felt the need to kill him yet, or they’re just wary of protections/misdirects. In any event, it seems that others are being prioritized over him which could suggest that the Death Eaters feel safe from him.

Orly?

Yes. Do something.

Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?

... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

Assume I didn't read any of that.

Quin claimed to patronus me and timmer.
Speedchuck claims to have watched Quin target LC.
Both of them stuck to their guns and rejected any alternatives other than that the other was lying.
Speedchuck is dead and town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:30 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:12 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:08 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:05 pm Yes. Do something.

Why doesn't it bode well for Quin?

... Quin and speedchuck openly contradicting each other and consuming the thread.

Assume I didn't read any of that.

Quin claimed to patronus me and timmer.
Speedchuck claims to have watched Quin target LC.
Both of them stuck to their guns and rejected any alternatives other than that the other was lying.
Speedchuck is dead and town.

It may not be as easy as this.

There’s certainly more to it than the bullet points. But that’s the general outline. We’ve talked about the possibilities to no end, and to me it seems the most likely scenario is that one of them was lying. We now know it wasn’t speedchuck, unless his was is faked.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 6:47 pm Sloonie, besides the fact that speed flipped civ and so it appears he was telling the truth, is there any other reason you think Quin did not target you with patronus?

I have no information which either confirms or deny that I was targeted with a Patronus that night. Like I said, I took a Thestral out of town that night, so I was immune from nearly all abilities that night. I have no way of knowing if anyone did anything to me that night. If Quin is lying, I suspect he may have just thought I'd be an easy fake target to claim for some reason.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:45 pm How did that even happen I mean come on shit's gotta be rigged. Ravenclaw deserves it more.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:51 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:45 pm How did that even happen I mean come on shit's gotta be rigged. Ravenclaw deserves it more.

I KNOW why Hufflepuff lost.

Is it because they’re mediocre?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:51 pm Anyway pretty neat how Speed was in Hufflepuff and flipped civ.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 8:54 pm Woo Day 5. RIP Speed. I had this gut feeling that he was town.
I'm thinking that we should seriously consider lynching Colin today. For reasons that I'll expound upon later. Thoughts?

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:27 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 pm I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:46 am it's like you guys really don't believe me when i say i don't tell lies and honestly that hurts more than that time i got hit by the knight bus

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:55 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:50 am

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:46 am it's like you guys really don't believe me when i say i don't tell lies and honestly that hurts more than that time i got hit by the knight bus

Knight bus?

READ THE BOOKS

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:47 pm Wait, don't disregard. I'm wondering the same thing. I missed the logic for speed being killed by the mafia. So Jay was vigged?

It was covered in the two posts after the one I quoted.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:07 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm sloonei I am tempted to vote sprityo too but his total lack of anything seems almost too bold for a baddie. I mean he openly isn't trying at all. What convinced you to vote for him? Sorry if you already answered.

I’m simply not dissuaded by his lack of activity. I don’t suspect him purely for being inactive, but to me he seems to be wielding his inactive status as a defense mechanism, rather than trying to do anything productive with his time in the thread.

I’d offer more insight but I’m currently walking to class.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:17 pm
I’m still unclear on the order of events with timmer’s claim. He was both blocked and (allegedly) arresto’d by Quin night 1, then killed INH(?) Night 2, and has done no killing since then?

I haven't successfully killed a single person all game. INH wasn't me, there should be an even night version of me who handled that.

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:47 pm
So who killed Nova night 1? I guess it's not worth worrying about but I had assumed it was you all this time.

JJJ said he blocked me, though, and he was civ, so I doubt he was lying. And I never targeted Nova.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:00 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:57 pm Because I can see exactly why Jay was killed. He was supatowning. Epi was not supatowning, he was in the background though he was participating. The Jay kill was not a surprise - the Epi kill was. I never said "let's talk about something else". I think it's good to look at who Jay suspected in the last day and night, I just haven't done it yet.

Was not a surprise, yes. But why now? Why not earlier if he's a supatown? That timing alone is weird enough and should be talked

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:16 pm Oh wait, your delayed kill probably since Quin claim to delay you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:21 pm *I assume we have only two bad guys left. I’ve been operating under the assumption that there’s five total for a while now, but that’s not confirmed. Either way, three dead baddies = a good chance for town, if we take advantage of the situation. I don’t think mass claiming needs to be treated as an awful strategy right now.

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:25 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:16 pm Oh wait, your delayed kill probably since Quin claim to delay you.

Who are you talking to here? If timmers bullz kill was delayed why didn't it happen day 2? But maybe you are talking about something else.

It's timmer, didn't quote him because easier to post without quote. Post with quote usually got me logged out
If it's delayed then maybe that's why we got 3 kills N2. But then the hippo should be on N1 or there's something else N1?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:18 am Notably though, contrary to my erroneous memory, he never brought up nor acknowledged the point that the rezzes may have been in the wrong hands, despite his constant attention to/frustration at the lack of rezzes for the first few phases. The point I was starting to make was that he conveniently ignored this point (which was brought up by DH on D3) and claimed to want a lynch+rez, perhaps knowing that the scum had one.

The problem that I realized was that (a) I don't think this game has false flips, even with Quin's theory and (b) even if Colin wouldn't have a fake flip and was going for getting rezzed as a confirmed baddie, why would he do that? At that point in the game the mafia was down two people already and Colin was not facing much suspicion as Quin has pointed out so had no reason to "throw in the towel." But, maybe that's what he wanted us to think and thought that it would make him look like a civ who was so sure he would come back innocent and someone would want to rez him, but then that's circular because he wouldn't get lynched and that buys him town cred, so this actually doesn't rely on the scum team having a rez at all..... (which I guess they probably didn't if they just redirected glorfiets' rez) god never mind any of this I can't make any sense of anything anymore and I'ma stop typing gibberish and go to bed hopefully everything will be clear in the morning

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:09 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei

What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?

Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.

Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?

Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.

I don't know why pout has to be mafia when I think of my own theory of why Colin is bad. But to talk about pout, I'm at least wary about the idea that scum pout would cop claim so...openly? If that's the word for it. Pout's been wrong about one check already and if Colin is bad that makes two. It's suicidal.

If Pout is town and Colin is scum, we’re looking at a world where Pout hit two inaccurate cop checks and then got obliviated. We’re talking about hitting a cloak that isn’t in the rules and then a frame that isn’t in the rules (though the rules imply one or both could exist in secrets). Or we’re talking about Pout hitting self busdrive animals into and out of scum. Or we’re talking about the mafia misdirecting a new player to the site over Jay, Epi, Speedchuck and probably Nutella and Mac. They didn’t imperio her on N2 because they crucioed her N1 because she got a result N1.

Counterarguement: Pout was obliviated, meaning the mafia probably knew her power by N2 or N3, depending on if that power acts as a block too the night it is used.

The sheer bad luck it would take for a cop to get two inaccurate results is...well it’s not crazy bad luck but it’s pretty bad.

If Pout is scum, I don’t think she lies twice about her results because then, a lynch on either player makes her look really bad because of the above argument.

So even if Pout is scum, I think it makes Colin look town and if Pout is town, it really makes Colin look town.

Take away the lynch and rez argument and the cop check and I wouldn’t suspect Colin at all anyway. It’s a lot easier (esp in light of Timmer and Speedchuck’s handling of powers) for me to think Colin’s being brash and isn’t thinking of the best way to use a rez than it is for me to see scum motivation in his play overall.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:36 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:25 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:09 am

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei

What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?

Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.

Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?

Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.

I don't know why pout has to be mafia when I think of my own theory of why Colin is bad. But to talk about pout, I'm at least wary about the idea that scum pout would cop claim so...openly? If that's the word for it. Pout's been wrong about one check already and if Colin is bad that makes two. It's suicidal.

If Pout is town and Colin is scum, we’re looking at a world where Pout hit two inaccurate cop checks and then got obliviated. We’re talking about hitting a cloak that isn’t in the rules and then a frame that isn’t in the rules (though the rules imply one or both could exist in secrets). Or we’re talking about Pout hitting self busdrive animals into and out of scum. Or we’re talking about the mafia misdirecting a new player to the site over Jay, Epi, Speedchuck and probably Nutella and Mac. They didn’t imperio her on N2 because they crucioed her N1 because she got a result N1.

Counterarguement: Pout was obliviated, meaning the mafia probably knew her power by N2 or N3, depending on if that power acts as a block too the night it is used.

The sheer bad luck it would take for a cop to get two inaccurate results is...well it’s not crazy bad luck but it’s pretty bad.

If Pout is scum, I don’t think she lies twice about her results because then, a lynch on either player makes her look really bad because of the above argument.

So even if Pout is scum, I think it makes Colin look town and if Pout is town, it really makes Colin look town.

Take away the lynch and rez argument and the cop check and I wouldn’t suspect Colin at all anyway. It’s a lot easier (esp in light of Timmer and Speedchuck’s handling of powers) for me to think Colin’s being brash and isn’t thinking of the best way to use a rez than it is for me to see scum motivation in his play overall.

I want to agree with this reasoning about Colin. However, I asked the question if a power would go through on the night that someone was obliviated (I was thinking of pout) and the answer was yes so I think she was obliviated night 2. If she had been obligated night 3 she still would have gotten a result. So they had to do something night 1 to find out her power. If they crucioed her though she would have been role blocked and not gotten a result night 1. Is there another way they could have found out she was the cop on night 1?

I think they might cop Jay N1 if anything. That LC visited Jay bothers me. Jay is big fish, very likely to be copped early. If scum killed based on how dangerous a player's abilities are, then they might skip Jay because he's not dangerous "ability wise" until he got too close to them.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:46 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:42 am poutanko how would they have copped Jay night 1? If they had switched your target from Bullz to Jay wouldn't you have gotten a civ reading on Bullz?

I was talking about LC visiting Jay - Speed's result. Not my result on Speed. Speed targeted Jay and got LC visiting him. What did LC do to Jay?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:09 pm

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:40 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:37 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:17 am JackofHearts2005 And what did I get from claiming Cop and then Speed flip town? Did I get town cred? You also dropped the fact I voted Bullz 2 days in a row and never move it. Either I'm crazy prepared or I simply am a Cop.

If you're so sure I'm scum, why didn't you vote me since early? Coward.

When did I say I was so sure you’re scum?

You’re all up my ass today and I don’t know what you’re on about.

You keep shading me since yesterday and try to tie me to Colin as if we're team mates. You think I don't see that? If Colin happens to be scum, it's you who needs to be scrutinized more thanks to your Glorfindel wagon (and the fact you should know his truth meta better yet you keep your vote on him).

Glor’s truth meta can go do something unmentionable.

I’m not shading you. I’m defending Colin.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:43 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:39 pm Okay listen up. I have use of the divination spell and here are my results:
N1 - Owner/Sloonei TOWN
N2 - Epi TOWN
N3 - used another ability
N4 - DharmaHelper TOWN

I didn't want to claim already. But it's day 5 and I don't want to knowingly watch a townie get lynched. So @timmer @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool @Jackofhearts2005 make a better choice and get off Sloonei.

If you need further proof, look at my first rainbow read post. I listed Epi and Owner in dark green, since I had checked them by then.

So do we have consensus on whether Divination can be used in this manner (consecutively)?