The Syndicate

Also I'm voting for unmysterium.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:45 pm @juliets I appreciate your response to me, but I find there's not much I can say in response to it one way or the other. All I'm really interested in is your reads right now. Whenever you can, I'd love to hear your thoughts on whichever players you're comfortable talking about. The gist of my issue with your posts so far is that I do not see many reads at all.

Ok no problem. I am talking to llama and Elo in discord right now but I'll give you a reads list either later tonight or in the morning.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:45 pm @juliets I appreciate your response to me, but I find there's not much I can say in response to it one way or the other. All I'm really interested in is your reads right now. Whenever you can, I'd love to hear your thoughts on whichever players you're comfortable talking about. The gist of my issue with your posts so far is that I do not see many reads at all.

Ok no problem. I am talking to llama and Elo in discord right now but I'll give you a reads list either later tonight or in the morning.

I remember llama and elo! How are they?

they are both fine and now Mongoose has joined us! She seems to be doing great too.

How disappointing that nutella died. She was a confident town read for me. I'm so glad the Trickster's gone though, and like S~V~S he wasn't even on my radar.

Sorry I did not get to this last night. I talked with llama and mongoose (who haven't been around in ages) until I fell asleep.

I have a somewhat urgent personal situation this morning so I'm going to throw out some reads and talk more about them when I'm home this afternoon.

I have 3 people I'm looking at as potentially bad: Wilgy, sprityo, and G-Man. I have indicated why I'm suspicious of wilgy and sprit, and indicated I had bad feelings about G. Sloonei did a good job of outlining some of the things I could not articulate. I feel bad if G is having a hard time keeping up but it doesn't change my suspicion.

People I'm reading as civ:

S~V~S because she seems like the old civ S~V~S. She's calling things out as she see's them and was not afraid to call out Luna even though she doesn't know her well. She understood what sig was saying with his bloodthirsty post instead of jumping on him for saying that about her. Bad S~V~S wouldn't have been that understanding.

DDL - In UPick DDL started out by doing some things that seemed a little odd or scummy but it turned out he was an indie who was a key component of the civ win. His tone in this game early on reminded me of that game and still does.

Luna - I so often misread her as bad. In this game her tone reminds me of Hogwarts where she was good. There was something in her posts I liked too but I can't remember it right now and don't have time to look back. I will later though.

Quin - his posts are to the point and several times I found myself agreeing with him. This appears to be civ Quin to me. Sloonei I read your synopsis of him this morning and will go back and bump that up against what I've seen because obviously you know his game a lot better than me, but for now I read him as civ.

timmer - In retrospect I like his post about TH. He saw something when the rest of us saw nothing. I liked his post about how much changing Sloonei had done, it really brought it into focus for me. Reads Luna as good which I do too.

Tranq - his explanation about why he said the poll options seemed meaningless was good Imo. He didn't fault DDL for his role alignment post because it's good to think hard about the role alignments in these map games. Voted DrWilgy again showing he was serious about his vote day 1.

There are a lot of people I have mixed reads on right now.

Sloonei, I maybe just don't play with you enough but I'm still bothered by your attempt to lynch me when you knew I wasn't around and wasn't going to be, after I had been around all day. I understand you didn't get to me until 10:40 but if I was bothering you why not look at me sooner? Also, I'm just wary of the rapid mind changing but am trying to accept that as just part of your style.

DH I want to call you civ. Your tone and spiciness make me think civ but you fooled me so bad last game.

Colin and c-bob I'm getting you mixed up. I need to do a back to back iso. I just don't have an opinion right now.

Dana I would love to see some reads from you.

Enrique haven't seen anything particularly bad or good. I probably need to look harder.

INH where are you? Can you provide some reads?

Jack I need to closely read you. There is enough there that I feel like I should have an opinion.

Kyle I have a hard time reading you. Will look more closely

Lorab have you given any reads yet?

Mac you seem like your civ self, and when you're civ your mafia nose is strong so I need to pay some more close attention to your reads. I know you didn't like my Wilgy vote but thats ok. The only reason your not in my civ category is I'm wary of your ability to fool me.

nova, maybe you should be on my potential baddie list. I know nothing about what you think. I remember you posting an emoji but I don't remember anything else. Could you provide some reads please?

sable, so sweet I want to call you civ. I need to see a little more though.

sig - I feel for sig because in discord he said late last week he had 4 projects and 3 finals coming up (this is when I was asking him to play) so I can understand how he could be distracted. I'd like to see some additional behavior though.

sorsha, I need to see more to have an opinion.

speed - not seeing anything particularly bad or good. Need more behavior and I need to ISO you.

Ok I think that's everyone. I can talk more about this this afternoon but right now I have an urgent appointment and then pt so be back sometime mid afternoon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:06 pm On juliets, so we believe her post (the one Sloonei just quoted) is actual demonstration of civviness or is it possible she just make that in a rush because she was prompted? As in, the legendary "player salad"? Currently entertaining that thought.

Sloonei indicated he would like my reads and I gave them. I don't understand how that qualifies as player salad.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:28 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:44 pm I discuss what I personally deem interesting/important.

Point 1 being I made this role concept the trickster is based off of. And I have most definitely seen it used to make a town flip as mafia looking (@ quin)

Point 2: mechanically speaking the mafia would make the town less on guard, which would further present itself as a problem later on in the game. If the trickster is still alive and can forge roles, the mafia could fake even more kills and possibly their own deaths again.

The only true way to lie detect someone who is now dead is having a mortician or someone to confirm the dead’s identity, aka what I pointed out with lycantha

Until they find TH’s body we won’t be 100% sure that we actually was the trickster

What is the desired outcome of discussing this for civs?

Awareness, information to keep in mind

That’s all. I can’t be every player in the game so I have to make sure everyone can at least consider and dismiss or approve of information I think is relevant

It's an interesting idea sprityo, one I certainly hadn't thought of. The thing I don't understand though is can a forger forge and identity like "Trickster"? I thought they only forged alignment. I haven't played many games with forgers so maybe I'm just confused.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:59 pm @juliets

You'd tell me if you were mafia right? After our upick bonding.

lol, I think you'd be able to tell after all that time we spent together, which I can't help but point out was a baddie tactic to harm us that ended up winning us the game! (pokes at LC). I know I feel like I'm better informed about how you play.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:57 pm I agree that the DH/TH vote switch was off, I also disliked DH early game iso for reasons that I already said. Furthermore I disagree that kills should be ignored, true theres the added factor but we shouldn't just ignore them especially with so many secret roles out there.

So I'd be down to lynch dh

This is interesting. I had been reading DH as civ for the most part. I'll go back to your iso sig and re-visit your dislike of DH's early game.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:22 pm I’m not a fan of DHs iso, it’s to early in the game to do proper ones imo and is a good way for mafia to be involved but say very little.

@juliets This is what he meant. In reference to me trying to ISO-List again.

Big ol from me on this one.

RE: The underlined: I feel like I've said a shit ton, overall, and been pretty involved. So, moot point?

I went back and read what you said sig and then re-read DH's ISO points and realized that it was DH's point about wilgy that first got me looking at Wilgy. So I don't see the ISO posts as a negative at this point. My experience with DH has been that he's often trying to shake something loose when he plays, sometimes through sarcasm, sometimes through more straightforward reads. The caveat here is what I said in my reads post: he fooled us all in Hogwarts so I have to be wary of his behavior that looks civ to me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:21 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am CfD G-Mang

I'm putting sprityo and G-Man down as not likely Corrupt Remnant for now.

Since when do the night posts reveal alignments?

Something I saw while skimming.

I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.

speed are you saying the comment about sprityo is also distancing cred?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:52 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:29 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:21 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am CfD G-Mang

I'm putting sprityo and G-Man down as not likely Corrupt Remnant for now.

Since when do the night posts reveal alignments?

Something I saw while skimming.

I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.

speed are you saying the comment about sprityo is also distancing cred?

No, I don't think so. TH is the one possibly distancing. Tranq would be the one allowing it or falling for it or enabling it or whatever. NAI for Tranq IMO.

Ok, glad I asked. I had misunderstood.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:01 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:47 am RIP Brennan, I was hoping to play with you longer. I read through EOD and understand what happened and I'm really sorry.

This sentence bugs me. It's overly apologetic and... like, IDK why it's there. "I understand what happened." He got lynched is what happened. Of course you read through EOD, that's how you know what happened.

Can you elaborate on why this sentence is here?

It means I understand it all happened at the last minute and was a surprise and I was sorry that happened to him. I talked him into playing so I felt bad.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] I am re-reading your ISO's. I started with the ISO on G-Man because there are some things in there that I found myself shaking me head while reading (shaking yes).

First, this struck me because as I said earlier, I had a gut bad feel about G-Man and felt it might be tied to his tone re:DH. You expressed my feeling more appropriately in terms of his behavior:

I don't disagree that DH's take on ties is a little shortsighted, but I wonder why G-man felt the need to attack/provoke him like this. Seems kind of shoehorned in. He'd made his case, and then it's as if he needed to frame DH in a negative light afterward. Perhaps..

Now maybe this framing is warranted, maybe DH's stance on ties is a baddie stance, but this seems like an attack instead of a stance which wold be more along the lines of "I think DH is bad because...". I didn't like it when I saw it and I still don't like it.

Second and much more importantly is his assessment of me and the vote.

[mention]G-Man[/mention], you said you suspected me after reading me - why? I would like specifics and not something general. Whatever your reasons were are they still present currently? And why didn't you try to address me on whatever issues you found? And the vote - Sloonei has asked these questions but I will ask them again - why did you say you were voting me and then vote for Sloonei? What happened there? Why didn't you share your thinking and if you couldn't before the vote why haven't you shared it since?

I think I will go ahead and place a vote for you G-Man because we've got another full day and plenty of time for you to respond and this plenty of time to change my vote.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

re is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

sabie, I have seen the same as you out of sprityo and was looking at him yesterday for his lack of relevant participation.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] I really need to see some reads with reasons from you today, and I agree with S~V~S, why not tell us what you see about sabie12 now. You feel strongly enough to vote for her so that tells me you have defined something about her play that is problematic.

[mention]timmer[/mention] I apologize I must have been mistaken about your finding something about TH before the rest of us did if you don't see it in your iso. I remember there was plenty in your iso that made you seem town to me so I will take another look at it today. Now I wonder who said something about TH that I liked because they saw something before the rest of us.

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:52 pm Kangaroo court is in session- the honorable EOD CFD is presiding. Yikes! What a mess that D1 lynch turned into.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:49 pm
G-Man, you said you suspected me after reading me - why? I would like specifics and not something general. Whatever your reasons were are they still present currently? And why didn't you try to address me on whatever issues you found? And the vote - Sloonei has asked these questions but I will ask them again - why did you say you were voting me and then vote for Sloonei? What happened there? Why didn't you share your thinking and if you couldn't before the vote why haven't you shared it since?

Of the five people I ISO’d Day 1, your’s seemed most plausible to be manufactured. Having read through the thread in full, I can still see it that way but I’m casting a wider net now and going back to ISO everyone.

My intent was to make an imperfect vote for you Day 1 but then I saw Sloonei taking the notion way too far. I wish I had been able to look through more ISOs for blenders but I ran out of time. Sloonei got my vote because he went from pushy to accommodating to cordial to panicky to desperate all in one day. That’s exhausting to read through and it looked lame in the moment.

I didn’t want to start a bona fide train on you. I just wanted to find a place to dump a Day 1 vote based on partial reads and imperfect understanding. Voting for you after Sloonei would have made you a train. I think my vote for Sloonei tied him with Wilgy at the time, which added to the cheeky fun of voting without posting.

Why aren’t I sharing more often? Because I’m tired most of the time, busy at home, stressed out at work, and fighting like heck to deny the impulse to let this game take over my life. I also don’t like answering lots of little questions in this sea of yip-yip-yip. I’m going to move forward because I choose not to explain the past too much. It slows me down too much. I remember pissing off MP a few times doing this sort of thing.

Onward.

G, I guess I don't understand what you mean by my posts seemed "manufactured". And I don't understand what you're using as a baseline from which to judge they are "manufactured". I'm not going to harp on this though unless you come back to suspecting me for these same reasons.

I do understand what you're saying about Sloonei, his behavior struck me the same way though it seems that is normal for him. I just haven't played enough with him to have known that to be a fact.

And I feel for you re: tired most of the time, busy, stressed. I know you would probably like to be on here more often rather than dealing with the issues at work.

I will mull over what you've had to say here. If I change my vote it will likely be to wilgy or sprityo.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:18 am Has Lorab done anything that was not discuss game mechanics?

I feel like I've mislynched her for that before but I can't help but ask.

She has mostly discussed mechanics but my memory is she does that a lot. Also, I think she's been pretty busy as she is a rabbi and Hannukah just ended Monday night. I would like to see some reads from her at this point though. [mention]LoRab[/mention] can you give us some reads? Also I would ask @S~V~S what she sees in Lorab because I remember she reads Lorab pretty well.

(The mention function does not seem to work with S~V~S)

Ok, I am going to work now and then p/t. Should be back around 3 - 3:30.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

Ok so Luna, I don't guess there is anything more about this that you can share? Also, I forgot this morning when I was posting that Sloonei knows one of the 5 killed nutella. If I change my vote I'll change it to one of the other 4.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:25 pm Quin is an interesting second choice for me. I’ve only played one full game where he was bad (Mad Max), but he played the part brilliantly. I would expect him to be a tough but to crack. In this game he’s done all the usual Quin things, but there’s not much else behind that. He’s only done the usual Quin things. I didn’t get the sense there were a lot of unique or provocative reads in his ISO.

Sloonei, could you expound on this a little? You say he's only done usual Quin things. What kind of unique things would you expect a town Quin to do and why? Have you maybe seen something in past games where he's been good where he's done something unusual for him? I've tried to think this through but I'm not getting anywhere.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:01 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:04 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:13 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:03 am [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

A hunch, i want to pursue later.

So as of right now I am the only person spirityo has accused the entire game. I don't even see a vote from them in the first lynch poll. They haven't even really shared any thoughts on anyone yet. I'm all for speculating about gameplay and roles and everything because I also do that but usually by this point in the game some of the speculation is regarding players and reads on players. Just find that interesting.

re is a lot to follow and I get busy with work and things. I've been keeping up best I can though at least with reading everything.

sabie, I have seen the same as you out of sprityo and was looking at him yesterday for his lack of relevant participation.

@sprityo I really need to see some reads with reasons from you today, and I agree with S~V~S, why not tell us what you see about sabie12 now. You feel strongly enough to vote for her so that tells me you have defined something about her play that is problematic.

It’s less about play and more about information I’ve received

Would you trust a crazy old woman living in the woods Juliet’s?

ok, so you've received info about sabie. Is that information something you can share? I don''t understand your question about trusting a crazy old woman living in the woods, could you explain further? Also, what are some other reads you have that might be based on play? I'm trying to see how and what you're thinking to assess whether I think you're town or not.

linki

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 pm Know it’s funny how I got my throat jumped down THE INSTANT I try to vote. Am I THAT easy of a target for mislynch?

More so how SVS quoted my smartass interaction with TH. I was thinking “wow some idiot is gonna look back at this later and assume it’s distancing or some bullshit” whenever I was reading DH’s interaction post that labeled me green

Thanks, xoxo, twice in one day I've been called names. I forgot how much I love this game, lol.

Linki, I thought we were not to discuss map interactions? And he;s calling me a crazy old lady who lives in the woods.

Oh wow. That's mean.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:07 pm Know it’s funny how I got my throat jumped down THE INSTANT I try to vote. Am I THAT easy of a target for mislynch?

More so how SVS quoted my smartass interaction with TH. I was thinking “wow some idiot is gonna look back at this later and assume it’s distancing or some bullshit” whenever I was reading DH’s interaction post that labeled me green

Thanks, xoxo, twice in one day I've been called names. I forgot how much I love this game, lol.

Linki, I thought we were not to discuss map interactions? And he;s calling me a crazy old lady who lives in the woods.

Oh wow. That's mean.

Oh ok it was not about SVS.

[mention]sprityo[/mention] what about some other reads? not on sable but on others? Who are you seeing as bad? Who are you seeing as good?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:31 pm Onto Sloonei's ISO's:

I read the Kyle one and nothing jumped out at me as bad.
I'll read the Luna one but I've given my thoughts on Luna.

Reading the G-Man one now, I'll post this here but I'll continue to read:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 1:30 pm Knowing the epic nature of Long Con & Black Rock games, the fact that the baddies kill range increases as their numbers wain shouldn’t surprise me, but oof. Clever way to keep everyone else from getting overconfident.

Sloonei remarks that this is an odd thing to fixate on first, and I agree,

This post actually changes my mind on G-Man more than Luna’s vouching does. Why does a scum G-Man go in the thread to taunt the town with a mechanical quirk benefitting his team? Because taunting is fun, I gues, but this looks more like worldbuilding than anything.

Colin, like I said, I'm extra dumb this afternoon. What do you mean by world building?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 pm Quin is the least-discussed member of the list, but he's the one I'm most intrigued by at the moment. Here's my major beefs:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:55 pm Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.

nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do

This post is not meant to be taken seriously, but I don't like it anyway. Town Quin is a proactive hunter of the bad guys. This sentiment shouldn't exist to him.

Then there's his timmer vote:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:17 pm Actually, to be more clear, Luna's vote seems fine. I was trying to reference this POST of hers: "Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?"

I don't like when people try to make big deals out of anyone's day 1 vote, because frankly, to me they ALL are weak votes. Why call one specific one out?

because if you want someone lynched you need to make a case on them. that is how mafia works.

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:08 pm she didn't even vote for him so that is slightly embarassing but i'm still all in on the timmer vote

Roughly 24 hours later:

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:59 pm i forgot why i'm voting for timmer so its probably something stupid

someone sell me on a smart vote. do the work for me.

There's a quick flourish from Quin against timmer, but then it's completely dropped and literally forgotten as the day rolls on and better options come up. I think if this is Genuquin, he maintains at least a light grasp on his timmer vote instead of having it dissolve completely.

Sloonei, I had exactly the opposite reaction to Quin's blow off of his timmer vote. It seems like if he were bad he would have kept a grasp of it so he could change votes more smoothly. I just don't see a baddie saying "I forgot why I'm voting for x". That doesn't mean I liked his timmer vote. I'm trying hard to see the bad Quin you're seeing but not doing it very well.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:01 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:45 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:16 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:59 pm I have reason to believe that nutella was killed by one of the five players I ISO’d.

Okay, thanks. I have reason to believe that G-man is not guilty.

Ok so Luna, I don't guess there is anything more about this that you can share? Also, I forgot this morning when I was posting that Sloonei knows one of the 5 killed nutella. If I change my vote I'll change it to one of the other 4.

I would rather not share more info. And yes, I'm narrowing it down to DDL, Quin, and Kylemii.

No problem, I had to ask just in case you would.

I just re-read Kyle's iso and I am not seeing him as bad. I liked his answer to sloonei's post and I liked that he stood for what he believed with regards to his wolbre post. I don't think I can vote for him this round.

DH I'll read your post and DDL I'll read yours now.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:51 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:21 pm First up, my color list:


Enrique: Mostly goof posts. Not really hunting or grinding. Did that whole "Angle Shooting" thing earlier which is whatever.

Lunalee: After a fluffy, lighthearted start, Here she suspects people for jumping onto Epi's DDL "case". Jumps up Colin's ass when Colin suspects Sloonei here. Dunks on nutella's vote reasoning RE: Jack here. Has a "good reason" to vote Colin since he jumped on DDL so early. This might have been a joke on Mac's part but the response seemed a little "nervous" to me. Votes Wilgy cuz she figures Wolbre is town. Without knowing exactly where the votes were at, it could be she was covering her ass and trying to look civ AF by voting the off-wagon, but IIRC her vote pushed Wilgy further into contention with Wolbre, so looks good. Here she says she "likes to think" the Wilgy wagon is good. She was on the Wilgy wagon, and just got done talking with a few people about how there are 2 mafia teams lol. Here she advocates Occam's Razor RE: TH's flip. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 02311]Here She sticks to her guns RE: Colin, and poo-poo's the G-Man train. Here She follows that up with "reason to believe" G-Man is not guilty. Anyway, something's up with Luna. She's still a Yellow for me.

Tranq: Defends DDL then Here he defends Sloonei, wants to hear more from G-Man. When asked to give his suspects here instead he says there are people he'd rather not vote for, then tosses Doc in the mix as a possible vote. After tossing out some more names of people he trusts/won't vote, (Epignosis, Me) Tranq Defaults to Wilgy. Follows that with Another Wilgy vote today, saying he doesn't like that Wilgy popped in and then fucked off at will, and that TH might have soft-defended Wilgy. Overall, I don't like Tranq's D1 forced ignorance of the poll, and when pressed for suspects he instead offers people he won't vote for, which indicates to me he's scared to ruffle any feathers. Doc is an easy option, even if it is backed up by Doc's behavior and TH maybe defending him.

Doc: Fucked off all D1 until he was in danger, then he showed up and now he's fucked off again. He's demonstrated that he's able to play, and that he jumped into the thread at EOD when he was in danger of being lynched demonstrates to me that he's either paying attention himself or has people paying attention for him.

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I'd rank the Rainbow 4 in order of baddieness as such:

Doc
Tranq
Luna
Enrique

I know its not "I have reason to believe" or "I kissed an old forest witch on the mouth" but anybody got anything to say RE: This?

DH, I do agree with your Doc assessment. I said early in the day today he was a vote possibility for me but then there is this issue of the 5, one of which killed nutella, so I've been concentrating on them. If I just can't find another member of the 5 I want to vote for I could vote for him.

Tranq seems like the old Tranq I remember - pretty much to the point - and my thought right now is that he is not caught up with some of the new things we are doing now, for example, his stance against info dumping and outting one's role. I liked the post where he asked where we are going with this gang of 5 in that he questioned something that we've kind of accepted. I have had Tranq fool me big in the past though so I have to consider that maybe you are better at reading him.

Luna I'm going to re-read next. There is a lot going on with her so I will address your post about her after I re-read her.

Enrique - I'm not seeing a lot out of Enrique at this point. Maybe he is busy or maybe he's purposely not around. I'll take another look at him but I'm not having good feelings about him at this time. Maybe I will understand why he is your least bad rank when I look at his posts.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:57 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:55 pm Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.

What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.

Nobody has suggested that we ignore the rest of the game and spam lynches into these 5. Sloonei's just giving us more cards to play with.

Feel like you're twisting this into an accusion, almost.
And infodumping is awesome. #cpi4lyfe

Agreeing a lot with speedchuck today. Unfortunately most of it is metagame stuff but hey. This is one point of agreement that isn't.

Tranq and LoRab are on my list of teammates to the scum of the Sloonei 5, assuming there is one (which I think is a solid assumption for the time being).

Ok I like some of the things you've been saying this game so I have to add this to my reasons to re-look at Tranq. I seem to have the opposite read of a number of people.

Regarding your Lorab suspicion, is it all her talk of mechanics or something else?

Both Tranq and Lorab are part of the old school I began my mafia career with (Tranq was bad with me in my first mafia game) so I don't know if I've got blinders on or my read is in a way better because I know their old school ways of playing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:06 pm Quin is the least-discussed member of the list, but he's the one I'm most intrigued by at the moment. Here's my major beefs:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:55 pm Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.

nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do

This post is not meant to be taken seriously, but I don't like it anyway. Town Quin is a proactive hunter of the bad guys. This sentiment shouldn't exist to him.

Then there's his timmer vote:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:05 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:17 pm Actually, to be more clear, Luna's vote seems fine. I was trying to reference this POST of hers: "Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?"

I don't like when people try to make big deals out of anyone's day 1 vote, because frankly, to me they ALL are weak votes. Why call one specific one out?

because if you want someone lynched you need to make a case on them. that is how mafia works.

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:08 pm she didn't even vote for him so that is slightly embarassing but i'm still all in on the timmer vote

Roughly 24 hours later:

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:59 pm i forgot why i'm voting for timmer so its probably something stupid

someone sell me on a smart vote. do the work for me.

There's a quick flourish from Quin against timmer, but then it's completely dropped and literally forgotten as the day rolls on and better options come up. I think if this is Genuquin, he maintains at least a light grasp on his timmer vote instead of having it dissolve completely.

Sloonei, I had exactly the opposite reaction to Quin's blow off of his timmer vote. It seems like if he were bad he would have kept a grasp of it so he could change votes more smoothly. I just don't see a baddie saying "I forgot why I'm voting for x". That doesn't mean I liked his timmer vote. I'm trying hard to see the bad Quin you're seeing but not doing it very well.

I could see his admission of forgetfulness as an attempt to look casual. By playing so loose with his suspects, he looks like he has nothing to hide. Or something.

Ok I see your point.

I just thought of something. Where is INH? Hasn't been here in a couple of days. I hate to even bring his name up because we are juggling so many already but I didn't like his letting someone else choose his vote last go around and since then he's not around.

Ok I keep distracting myself from reading luna so I'm going back to that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:56 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:53 pm I just thought of something. Where is INH? Hasn't been here in a couple of days. I hate to even bring his name up because we are juggling so many already but I didn't like his letting someone else choose his vote last go around and since then he's not around.

Ok I keep distracting myself from reading luna so I'm going back to that.

He might be silenced.

Oh of course. I should have thought of that. He will be so mad that I brought up that he isn't around.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

@juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.

I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

This skepticism is very typical of her.

Also I finished re-reading Luna and still like what I'm seeing, I am reading her civ.

On to read DDL.

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:09 pm @DharmaHelper when I re-read Luna I couldn't see what you did when you said "something's up with Luna". Did you say that because of her G-Man post? Or was it something else that you saw?

General vibe. I'm not seeing a smoking gun yet but I'm nervous about taking her off the table completely.

Ok that makes sense to me. Thanks.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.

I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

It's also exactly what I would expect a teammate to do. Perhaps my feelings on LoRab are better framed as "teammate-compatible," I don't feel this is a valid lynch reason on its own. But I will also take jules' opinion that this is typical for her into account.

Someone I think who knows her game better than I do is @S~V~S but I can't get this dang mention function to work with S~V~S's name. I'd really like to know her opinion on Lorab.

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] I want to quote a part of your long post on the 5. This is from your Quin summary:

A lot of posts are good stuff. He is hunting. I don't feel him as civ that much after his ISO though. Something about him feels... thuggish I guess. He's making cases but not commiting on them, too. I don't know, Quin is always sarcastic, but when he's a civ there is this feeling of a poor kid who is desperate because people are wanting things from him and he's super lost, so he's trying his best. Here he seems a bit more arrogant, more overconfident.

I felt this was the way Quin was in Hogwarts - confident almost to arrogance. Do you feel like he was different in that game than he is here?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:24 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:19 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:17 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:03 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 5:59 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:28 pm Hey, yall!! I still have an eye on Wilgy. And the Sloonei 5 is interesting. That said, we don't know who killed LA. We all seem to be assuming it was a baddie (myself included), but we don't know that.

juliets this is why I put LoRab on my list.

I find all the "maybe mafia didn't kill Nutella" unconvincing at best, and this goes a step beyond that.

I am sympathetic to LoRab here. I see that as healthy skepticism, which is a good thing.

It's also exactly what I would expect a teammate to do. Perhaps my feelings on LoRab are better framed as "teammate-compatible," I don't feel this is a valid lynch reason on its own. But I will also take jules' opinion that this is typical for her into account.

Someone I think who knows her game better than I do is @S~V~S but I can't get this dang mention function to work with S~V~S's name. I'd really like to know her opinion on Lorab.

@S~V~S

That might do it

Haven't seen enough of her to have one. I know she has been busy irl with the Holiday, but I can reread her during the night if you like. This is a very LoRab thing to say, though. She is always looking at it from the skeptical angle.

Yes, that's the way I remember it too. Thanks for your input.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:18 pm I am gonna go back to my day one vote for now and switch it to Lunalee while I read DHs cases. It could change again.

She was quick to believe an info drop that could be interpreted in more ways than one, and she isn't really considering that aspect. I had seen her as being less aggro, but maybe not.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

I'm at a loss as to why [mention]Lunalee[/mention] has jumped to a conclusion so quickly. Especially in a game like this where you really need to look carefully at info. Luna, can you explain at all why you aren't more circumspect?

Sorry I used that word wrong. I hope its not confusing.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:23 pm I agree with you Mac, SVS is starting to rub me the wrong way


Also who cares about info drops??? What good does it do me to withhold that information? Talking about it later like “oh yeah I saw colonel mustard in the dining hall with the candlestick” isn’t gonna help us 3 days from now

sprityo, at our old sites, Lostpedia, The Piano, Revolution, we never allowed info drops in games so this is something relatively new for those of us who played at those sites.

I am unsure about Luna now after her response to the sprityo info. I do not question that sprityo is giving us information that he got. What I do question is what the info means. sabie? someone she was next to? something I haven't though of? I just don't see how a smart woman as Luna jumps to the conclusion it's sable so quickly. So I'm torn at the moment as to whether that's enough to knock my opinion down to orange or red or just yellow. I'm watching TV at the moment but I'll be around. I WILL NOT be here at EOD though, I will be asleep.

lots of linki

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:24 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:23 pm sloonei i love you and i haven't given your list the attention it deserves and i'm sorry but who is on it again?

you

But also Luna, Quin, DDL, G-Man.

and Kyle

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:34 pm Ok I'm 3 pages behind and you guys are already lightspeed posting. I'll have to leave in half an hour. So some quick thoughts.

This Luna wagon is bizarre. I don't get why her being sure about something makes her bad.

I can't believe people are lynching Wilgy again. Then again I can believe it. Not gonna oppose it cuz it's fucking Wilgy. But I prefer Quin.

I usually believe claims because it's hard to fake this stuff, so sprityo is probably legit. The one I'm not sure if I should trust is the lady in the woods. Not feeling the switch to sabie right now, I think I wanna discuss about it longer.

I'm out, if you guys want me to respond to something specific you have 10 minutes to tag me. And don't tag me to ask me to ISO someone.

DDL I don't think there is a Luna wagon. She's only got one vote. I'm most likely to stay where I am and just move her to yellow on the list in my head. My issue is her lack of questioning what the info meant.

Oh my gosh, did I leave Epi out of my reads list? I so apologize. Let me refresh myself on your posts. Especially since Quin has said he might vote him though I can't think of one reason why he'd do that offhand.

Epi, I tried to go back and re-read you but I'm just too tired. Your posts are just floating in front of my eyes. I will look at your ISO tomorrow morning when I' fresh.

I am out in the next 10 minutes or so.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:59 am To be more explicit re Tranq, I would be amazed if baddie Tranq would say such a dumb thing in seriousness, joke or not. He is insanely careful. I don't recall ever seeing bad Tranq lynched. Maybe @juliets would have a better idea of that, and I am sure he will correct me if I am wrong there.

I am never comfortable in a game until certain people slip into place. That remark went far towards making me feel better about Tranq, but not good enough to greenlight him.

I concur that Tranq is insanely careful and I don't remember seeing a Tranq baddie lynch either. But I'm still somewhat shocked at his exclamation in the middle of EOD that Wilgy was bad when in reality he wasn't. (btw, RIP DrWilgy, thank you for answering my call to play with us). So I've got a question for [mention]Tranq[/mention] this morning: why did you think Wilgy was bad? Can you share that or no? What do you think about the fact he flipped good?

As for INH, I couldn't help but laugh when I came to his posts. Chaos player is the perfect description for him. I don't know what to think right now about his pronouncements, I'll have to re-read them. He couldn't possibly have that much info on people though could he? We're only on N2 right now. Also, his sudden appearance after we were thinking he was silenced is a little disconcerting. I also need to re-look at his drunk post because I didn't see the claim on the face of it the first time I read it.

I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

[mention]Tranq[/mention] thank you for your reply. I tend to think you're not lying because you're identifying your position on the map with the Magic Mirror thingy and there could be someone that knows what square you are on and can check to see if there really is a mirror there and what kind of info it gives. In other words, if it was a lie it was a risky lie.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], in all fairness to you it has occurred to me that you haven't played one of these Long Rock games and my skepticism comes from years of playing them and knowing that information is often not what it seems.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 12:33 pm I asked this before but I don't think I got an answer. I thought "forge" meant the forger can make someone appear as any alignment he or she wants. Does it mean they can also make people appear any role that they want?

There may be variations on how it works out there. The Trickster's forge allows him to make his kill-target appear as the role and alignment of his choosing.

OOOOOHHHHHHHH ok thank you much.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 3:39 pm I need to know how/when/where tranq got that item, because not only does it sound contradictory, but im pretty sure it's a lie to compensate for mislynching wilgy

a half assed sounding one at that

sprityo when you say it sounds contradictory are you just saying it's contradictory because wilgy flipped civ or do you mean something else? I think all of us would like to know how/when/where tranq got the Mirror but I don't think he can respond to at least some of that per the rules. Thats my take at least.