The Syndicate

Love that gif Epi and I'm sorry to see you go.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:35 pm 1. When I postulated that Dragomir was being pocketed by nut he said that he agreed but then closed the post by saying it wasn't a strong feeling. His last post of night 2 was very similar about me. I don't like it. He's afraid of outright calling either nut or I bad.

2. Epi wanted to lynch him. Dragomir avoided engaging Epi during night 2 beyond saying "good luck with that". Because he knew Epi wouldn't be here on day 3.

Mac why would he be afraid of calling you or nut bad? It's not that I disbelieve it, I just don't understand it.

Oh also, I see [mention]Rej[/mention] voted for me without posting. What are you thinking about me Rej that makes you think I am bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:44 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:41 pm
Drago and nutella look town to me and everyone else is up for re-evaluation.
On what basis?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 8:41 pm
LC and Mac will be first.
Long Con and MacDougall are civilians in my book.

Good look for Mac and Long Con.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:09 pm Mr. Drgmr mssg rstrctd ths DP.

I can read this just fine Drago so please continue trying to communicate through the day.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:35 pm 1. When I postulated that Dragomir was being pocketed by nut he said that he agreed but then closed the post by saying it wasn't a strong feeling. His last post of night 2 was very similar about me. I don't like it. He's afraid of outright calling either nut or I bad.

2. Epi wanted to lynch him. Dragomir avoided engaging Epi during night 2 beyond saying "good luck with that". Because he knew Epi wouldn't be here on day 3.
Mac why would he be afraid of calling you or nut bad? It's not that I disbelieve it, I just don't understand it.
Don't worry about it. I was wrong once so I'm probs wrong forever now.

You've been wrong in other games too but you've also been right so don't pack up your tent and go home. Humor me, I want to know what you're thinking.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:35 pm 1. When I postulated that Dragomir was being pocketed by nut he said that he agreed but then closed the post by saying it wasn't a strong feeling. His last post of night 2 was very similar about me. I don't like it. He's afraid of outright calling either nut or I bad.

2. Epi wanted to lynch him. Dragomir avoided engaging Epi during night 2 beyond saying "good luck with that". Because he knew Epi wouldn't be here on day 3.

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show
[VOTE: Mac] aubergine [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Drago, why would Long Con or Mac or both kill Epi? Seems like they would want to keep him alive if they are bad because he was town reading them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:47 pm @juliets can you please talk to me about Nutella.

Sure. A couple of people asked me why I thought nutella and dragomir were town last night so I went through their posts from last night and identified those that led me to get read them as town after Creature's lynch. I found Drago's posts more convincing than nutella's. For example, in one of her posts she said something in response to you I think about the Long Con lynch not gaining ground but it was not for lack of trying. Her posts don't indicate that she really tried at all. She voted him but Drago was the one with the good reasoning for voting him. Then tonight you made a point about her bet that Drago was town potentially being TMI. It did sound awfully strong for someone who really doesn't know. But I'm not ready to call her bad without re-reading her entire ISO. One hallmark of her civ game is her wishy-washiness and I want to see if thats present in Day 1 because it wasn't there in Day 2. So, I'll take a look and let you know.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm @MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.

I don't really understand this. I thought Creature was bad, that's why I didn't reconsider - though I will point out that Dragomir gave me second thoughts about voting him when he pointed me to his case. So after I found out Creature was civ, then my reaction was to think you were civ because you and Drago made so much noise about not voting for him. I was content to let it happen because I thought he was bad.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:49 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:43 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 6:35 pm 1. When I postulated that Dragomir was being pocketed by nut he said that he agreed but then closed the post by saying it wasn't a strong feeling. His last post of night 2 was very similar about me. I don't like it. He's afraid of outright calling either nut or I bad.

2. Epi wanted to lynch him. Dragomir avoided engaging Epi during night 2 beyond saying "good luck with that". Because he knew Epi wouldn't be here on day 3.

Spoiler: show

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[VOTE: Mac] aubergine [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Drago, why would Long Con or Mac or both kill Epi? Seems like they would want to keep him alive if they are bad because he was town reading them.

Ok Dragomir, I see why you might feel Long Con would frame you but Mac was reading you as civ before the night kill. Why would he want to change directions on you by killing Epi to frame you? It just doesn't make sense to me.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I finished nutella's ISO and she was not wishy-washy in Day 1 but she came in and voted pretty quickly citing that she was busy. I was also busy at that time, part of it being the other game and my read is that's part of what was making her so busy. That is one convoluted sentence. Anyway, I'm not ready to call her bad but as I said before, she does not stand out to me as good as much as Dragomir.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm @MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.
See Mac Daddy? This is the kind of logic I can get behind.

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine

The logic didn't even make sense.

You guys can make this easy by going ahead and lynching me. I really just now started to be invested in this game so it won't kill me to go out. Don't say I didn't warn you thought that it will be a mislynch.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 9:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:57 pm You guys can make this easy by going ahead and lynching me. I really just now started to be invested in this game so it won't kill me to go out. Don't say I didn't warn you thought that it will be a mislynch.

Silly bwt doesn't know me, my game, or how stressed I am right now.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I have no reason to think Dr. Wilgy is civ.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 11:14 pm [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

I am seeing very little to give this man credit for.

I don't think it's Long Con or you and I don't see anything that makes Wilgy civ either so I'll vote there for now. Why am I the only one who answered your question about seeing anything civ in Wilgy? Maybe others will today.

Re: Dr. Wilgy

I had forgotten about this until I was reviewing bwt's posts:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 pm As much as I trust Kyle and Creature right now, I just don't get the switch to Wilgy at the last second.

Kyle died that night and Creature died in the lynch the next day and Dr. Wilgy voted for him.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 8:45 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm @MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.
See Mac Daddy? This is the kind of logic I can get behind.

[VOTE: Juliets] aubergine
The logic didn't even make sense.
Nah it does. The issue being I've been up since 5:30 this morning and it is almost 9 my time. Plus I have to get up at 4AM because I'm flying home tomorrow for my brother's best friend's wedding this weekend. So I don't have time to go and pull the specific quote. But I know it was one of the ones of you gloming onto nutella and someone else's case. I can't remember.

I'll try to pull it at the airport or when I get home tomorrow. But I might not be taking my laptop so it could just be me on my phone for a few days here.

Yeah I think you should pull it. I walked through why I had the gut feel on Drago and nutella in two separate posts. Like I said before, if you want to take me out of the game it won't matter to me nearly as much as it will matter to you after you see my flip so I would highly recommend you make sure you consider your evidence as rock solid.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 7:57 pm MacDougall juliets is bad because she is saying that in retrospect drago and I are obvtown for objecting to the creature lynch, whereas she never reconsidered her creature vote when it was happening. She made the appearance of taking us and our LC cases seriously after we were proven right, but only after the fact. While creature was being lynched she was totally content to just let it happen.

I will address this again because I don't think it proves anything, and others seem to think it does.

The series of events was this:

1. I suspected Creature
2. I considered Long Con
3. I voted Creature
4. Creature flipped civ
5. After Creature flipped civ the two people who argued against his vote appeared civ to me

So first, nutella says I never reconsidered my Creature vote. In fact, I considered the argument for Long Con BEFORE I voted for Creature.

Secondly, nutella says I only took the LC case seriously AFTER they were proven right which is false. Look at my ISO, I engaged with Drago about his case on Long Con BEFORE Creature flipped civ. I also engaged with indiglo about Long Con BEFORE Creature flipped.

Thirdly nutella says I was "totally content to just let it happen". What? nutella has the ability to get inside my mind and tell you all about the state of my feelings? Who of you are accepting this as fact? [mention]birdwithteeth11[/mention] ? I was not "totally content". I stayed in the thread after voting to keep reading and give myself a chance to change my mind.

So I ask those of you who vote for me, which of her points are you considering rock solid fact? I hope if you're voting me you can track it back to something other than this "case" against me.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.

<snip>

Rej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.

The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.

I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:48 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 10:25 pm Ok hi, first of all, I'm not even in on this "framing" plan you paranoid maniac. RIP Epignosis. Pretty unlikely that I night kill Epignosis at all, but that's just some true meta that you don't have to believe unless you already understand this. I'm not really putting that in as a defense, but it's the truth. It's not sporting. Epi is only fun to lynch.

indiglo wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2019 12:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.

So, you're saying here that Mac happens to have an alignment checker role. On Night 1, he happened to alignment check Creature, and he happened to hit the jackpot and found out Creature was mafia? See, I think that's kind of lame.

I wouldn't normally think it was lame, because I generally think it's wise to posit any and all theories. But you said mine was lame, and yours is on the same level, so I'm calling it lame too.

You are a cool lady. And goddamn right my plan was lame. Yes, I suspected Creature for the innocent Player Salad. Mac's request though...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 10:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 9:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 8:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:30 pm this is the part where we lynch Creature
Why do we do that?
For once can the answer just be "because I am pretty sure he is bad"? Like just for once?
Yes. [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Sorry, Mac, but where I come from there are consequences for this kind of thing.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I rly don't like how Long Con performed against Indiglo - who gave me a rly rly strong townread here.
How do people town read Long Con based on this post? Am I the only who is actually dumb? Do I miss something here?

Is Mac always acting scummy as town?

Rej, which part of Long Con's post do you object to? The first part where he says "I'm not even in on this framing plan you paranoid maniac" he was talking to Drago not indiglo. So it is another part of this post you didn't like?

Also, what behavior of Mac's do you see as scummy?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:03 pm Okay juliets I'm looking at your iso for where you "considered" some points on LC. Mostly what I'm seeing is you asking what the reasons were and then dismissing them.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:52 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )
indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?

I'm not married to my vote for LC. At this point, I feel like my most likely candidates would be between Mac, Wilgy and LC. Because of how the votes started going down from the beginning of this day phase.

I wanted to get a vote on the board, and of those 3, LC had the most votes so far. I'm open to further discussion for sure, and vote changing, up until the time I have to leave.
Ok, so it wasn't something you found in his ISO that convinced you. I just ISO'd him and didn't really see a lot. His beef with Creature seemed to be the player salad issue, and other than that he responded to Mac's plea to please vote Creature. @Long Con correct me if I am wrong.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:43 pm @juliets it did fit the standard salad definition of "a, b, c, or maybe d" so it was a valid call-out but I think LC got a bit too excited about it/may put too much weight on it. I think I've also seen civ LC get overexcited about catching a salad though
OK nutella thanks, particularly for the info that his "huge black mark" comment may be NAI.
Basically you seem pretty neutral-to-dismissive toward the points on LC, and I could see your questioning as a teammate avoiding a lack of acknowledgement of the suspicion but ultimately going with the creature vote with not much explanation:

juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 4:49 pm yeah suspicious or not I think I'm going to vote Creature for similar reasons.
So I'm not entirely convinced by your defense but I can see a world where you're being honest, and since I'm feeling better about LC and this is partially positing a teammate relationship I may cool down on it.

I am alternatively considering a bwt/wilgy w/w universe.

I generally collect info by questioning and then ponder it. With indiglo, she said she was going to ISO LC and since she voted for him later I thought she had found something in his ISO. When I asked her what she found she didn't answer the question but proceeded to tell me of those who had the most votes he looked the worst to her. That made me suspicious (and in fact as I write this I'm thinking I should go back and look at her more closely). I did consider Drago's case but most of the things he listed seemed NAI to me based on what I have seen out of LC over the years. Without going back and looking I believe he's the one that mentioned LC's sabie comments looked stiff and I could see that but in the end that wasn't enough for me to vote him.

So Wilgy and bwt. Is it bwts quick jump on me that makes you suspicious or were there other things as well?

linki

Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 am
Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 11:26 am I am totally splitted and this maffia bafflegab is just killing me and totally new for me.
My vote on Juliets came from my gut feelings of D2, observing the low investment of Juliets took in both wagon and permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already. And I went sleep so I just left the vote on Juliets to see what happens and how I would reengage into the conversation.
I don't know Juliets meta but she suddenly changed completely, making me think she is either scum who wants to avoid a lynch wagon being formed on her or a town who wants to make a counter wagon. I am 60/40 still.

<snip>
Rej, I did start becoming invested in this game late for several reasons, all of which I outlined in the other game but not here. The shortened version is I've had several real life issues in the last week - several medical issues and it was my birthday and I was pre-occupied with birthday things. In addition, I was playing the other game which is a monster game and it was sucking up most of the free time I had plus studying the background for a massive non-mafia game I agreed to sub into at MU. I have had a lot on my plate. I'm now dead in the other game so that frees up a chunk of time to play this one better. So you are correct about your gut feeling that I did not have high investment.

The thing I don't really understand is your comment that I was "permanently questioning stuff that is discussed already". Can you point that out? It's certainly possible that I missed something while skimming through the game and asked a question that already had been asked but I don't know that I did it. Also, how does that make me scum? And finally, the reason why you saw the change in me is back to the first point: I died in the other game and I am not spending a load of time in doctor's offices like I was. It's just a matter of time that was freed up.

I strongly urge you to take another look at my behavior and see if it makes sense for the reasons I've given you. As I said before, I won't be devastated if I get lynched but it will be the third mislynch in this game if it happens. I really don't want that to happen for game reasons. I would like for us to pull a win out of this and that is not looking favorable right now.
Oh I am sorry, you didn't have to spill out the details, I heard from some veteran players that empathy doesn't belong into mafia, so I am new here I see it as a way to engage in discussion with you. Maybe my reasoning is still not in depth but sec. Ahyeah the recent questioning from you has been on page 15 resolved, but especially earlier on you did rather question people but I should take it more easy. For a certain part of the game I had my eyes on the players with lower activity, especially Oreki and you and I made observations and found especially you having no impact on anything, similair like me. The mislynch wagons were formed by others, so I regret taking a look at you as a primary scum and that's where I lean more towards a Mac + x combo or a Long Con + x combo.
Also who gives us the confirmation that enemies are one mafia, seeing how splitted it is I get the vibes of this being a multiball with potential a even-night scum duo and a odd-night scum duo. I wonder why people are not really considering triple dynamics in here. It is a mess to read for my part.

Also to your question bout Mac, the way he manipulated Long Con to lynch Creature and how easy Long Con jumped on it is bothering me, also that's why I asked if Mac always plays scummy as town because I still townread him based on how he converses with people, but looking behind his actual plays and their outcomes he is just scum. Also how he planted confusion D1 and noone cared gives me the idea of another bunch of scum just bypassing this opener. I hope I make a bit more sense now.

Rej, yeah the part about empathy, I'm not asking for you to feel sorry for me, I'm just explaining how busy I was and why I wasn't as engaged. I think you can see I'm engaged now that some time has freed up. I did look at pg. 15 but the only question I saw that I asked on that page had to do with what you meant by a post and it turned out you thought I was another juliets. So I'm going to consider that resolved. Regarding confirmation on how many mafia teams there are in the game people usually make an assumption there is only one team when the player count is this low and/or because in the night posts there is no mafia team mentioned (x was killed by the Mafia Team y). And thanks for answering my question about Mac.

linki
I'm off to the gym will catch up when I return.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:23 am Re: Dr. Wilgy

I had forgotten about this until I was reviewing bwt's posts:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 pm As much as I trust Kyle and Creature right now, I just don't get the switch to Wilgy at the last second.
Kyle died that night and Creature died in the lynch the next day and Dr. Wilgy voted for him.
This is a contributing point to bwt/wilgy suspicion

Oh ok nutella, I see why you're seeing team in that.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 12:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 8:23 am Re: Dr. Wilgy

I had forgotten about this until I was reviewing bwt's posts:

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:16 pm As much as I trust Kyle and Creature right now, I just don't get the switch to Wilgy at the last second.
Kyle died that night and Creature died in the lynch the next day and Dr. Wilgy voted for him.
This is a contributing point to bwt/wilgy suspicion
I'll have you know that I am not BWT's teammate. I'll even bus him to prove it.

But wait, why are you voting for him?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:31 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 2:30 pm I find DrWilgy's way of handeling the case against him contentless, anyone with me?
Dude, nice to meet you. This is par for the course.

Lol, Dr. Wilgy I've missed you but for now I'm still voting for you.

Ok dang now I'm worried about the Wilgy train especially when I see Wilgy has voted for himself.

Oreki wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:10 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:07 pm I have to do drive-by mafiaing today. I will be scarce all weekend, I have holiday weekend plans and I don't phone mafia. I'll try to at least get my votes in. Sorry to our hostess with the mostest.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

Again. Obvs.
Like this vote, voting that player without putting any thoughts into it. The wagon is just getting bigger

Yeah, I'm not wild about that vote.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:14 pm
Oreki wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:10 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:07 pm I have to do drive-by mafiaing today. I will be scarce all weekend, I have holiday weekend plans and I don't phone mafia. I'll try to at least get my votes in. Sorry to our hostess with the mostest.

[VOTE: Dr. Wilgy] aubergine

Again. Obvs.
Like this vote, voting that player without putting any thoughts into it. The wagon is just getting bigger
Indi has been suspecting wilgy longer than anyone so I have no issue with her joining the wagon.

Oh, alright I didn't realize that.

Ok I really don't like being parked on Wilgy now. [mention]Matahari[/mention] thanks for the memory of bwt, your memory is so much better than mine. So I don't know where to move. I'm not suspecting bwt at the moment either.

I have to complete something in the non-mafia game I'm playing on MU by 5:00 pm. I'll still be in and out of here but I'll be back full time after 5:00. (It's 4:14 my time right now).

Why is there no one here?

Dang.

[mention]Matahari[/mention] do you have any thoughts about indiglo? I'm going to iso her right after my MU phase ends.

I'm reviewing indie but as a part of my review I'm looking at the votes Day 1 - Epi, Creature and Kyle voted for Dr. Wilgy. All are now dead.

Ok Day 1 Indie votes:
1st at 7:04 she says she votes for sabie (she actually never voted though)
then at 7:12 she says she's paranoid about Sabie and votes Wilgy
then at 7:20, the very end of the lynch she votes Sokoth but gives no reason why

In between 7:12 and 7:20 Kyle voted Wilgy. Is that the reason indiglo changed to Sokoth? Because if she had stayed there would have been 4 votes on Wilgy, 4 on sabie. Are indiglo and Wilgy part of a mafia team? If so I don't see a reason to pull off Dr. Wilgy and change to indiglo. (I'm going ahead and posting this now instead of waiting until I've revised all her posts because it took me 20 minutes to research all the vote times and see what exactly happened here.)

lots of linki, posting then reading

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:28 pm Ok Day 1 Indie votes:
1st at 7:04 she says she votes for sabie (she actually never voted though)
then at 7:12 she says she's paranoid about Sabie and votes Wilgy
then at 7:20, the very end of the lynch she votes Sokoth but gives no reason why

In between 7:12 and 7:20 Kyle voted Wilgy. Is that the reason indiglo changed to Sokoth? Because if she had stayed there would have been 4 votes on Wilgy, 4 on sabie. Are indiglo and Wilgy part of a mafia team? If so I don't see a reason to pull off Dr. Wilgy and change to indiglo. (I'm going ahead and posting this now instead of waiting until I've revised all her posts because it took me 20 minutes to research all the vote times and see what exactly happened here.)

lots of linki, posting then reading
So you think we would gain the most info from lynching Wilgy?

Hmm, - I guess right now I'm suspicious of Indi but I haven't finished her ISO so I wouldn't change my vote to her at this time. So that makes me want to stick with Wilgy for now. Who would we get the most info from? I just can't say yet but I'll consider it as I read her. Dang only 25 minutes left.

Indiglo's explanation to bwt's question about her votes:

indiglo wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:23 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:22 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Sun May 19, 2019 7:20 pm Tossing mine last minute

[VOTE: Sokoth] aubergine

Oh, linki with Daisy LMAO
You come in close to the last minute and then move your vote between 3 different people very quickly. Why?
Because votes are changeable?

This is the sequence about LC that I mentioned earlier. Seemingly no reason to vote for him. And note that she avoided my question about the ISO.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:34 pm Oh, LOL caught up. I thought there were going to be more posts. I'm going to go back and iso LC.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol )
indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?

I'm not married to my vote for LC. At this point, I feel like my most likely candidates would be between Mac, Wilgy and LC. Because of how the votes started going down from the beginning of this day phase.

I wanted to get a vote on the board, and of those 3, LC had the most votes so far. I'm open to further discussion for sure, and vote changing, up until the time I have to leave.

I'm posting this now, I don't think we're going to change to Indi so I'll finish her up after the lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:49 pm I think the Mafia, which I have just described who I think it is. Have been setting up a BWT mislynch since the game started.

I think Indiglo is a civ.

[mention]indiglo[/mention] may be civ, but if she is she would do herself a favor to explain that voting behavior at the end of Day 1 and her response to bwt's question about it.

Ok so independent. That takes away the suspicion about indigo's votes.

Oreki wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:13 am
birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:45 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 5:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2019 3:29 pm I see what you mean oreki, now it's seeming like this wagon is taking a significant lead as easily as the creature wagon did. I'm tempted to switch back to juliets or maybe join you on bwt
Nutella, Oreki and Wilgy are Mafia together I think.
Why Oreki? I feel like he might be civ because he seems like he is speaking his own mind, but he's come off as lacking conviction to really pursue any of his suspects further than just surface level stuff.

Linki: Looking forward to seeing the rest.
Actually, I'm lacking conviction due not being able to active much in the previous phase, being new here and I'm trying to adept the environment of this site, it's kind of different than where I play. So I can't help it right now and I'm also not really experienced player so It's still hard for me to elaborate the cases properly which I indeed working on it and maybe the main case I'm starting to play here

So I'm trying to observe you all how you guys play

Oreki, if you are town I urge you to name your suspects and just do the best you can to tell us why. We all understand how being a new player in a new environment can be hard but if you don't continue to name suspects and why they are suspicious you will become more and more of a suspect yourself. Hopefully life will let you be more active this next round.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 7:55 am Effective immediately Sabie12 is replacing SokothQultuq.

I hate to see Sokoth go because I don't get to play with him often but WELCOME SABIE!!!

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 1:57 pm @Matahari if you go into the full editor it's the button that looks like a drop of paint that expands into the color menu. it's still a pain to do on mobile though lol

I've always wondered how people colored their lists!

Matahari wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 2:10 pm I might remake my list into colors later today, to denote levels of trust/suspicion, but my aunt just died and I will be away for the next few hours.

Oh Mata I am so sorry. Don't worry about us, tend to your family, they are way more important.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 4:53 pm WB Sabie. Sorry to hear about your aunt Mata. Oreki is a civilian.

What changed your mind? He sounds civ to me as well so I was surprised last night when you said he was mafia. But that was just a GTH.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 5:48 pm For some reason I attributed one of Matahari's posts to Oreki. Matahari is the civilian. Oreki can be bad.

Oh! Ok, I'll look for your point of view when I look at him again.

RIP [mention]Dragomir[/mention] it sure was nice playing with you.

Daisy I LOVE your write ups and these videos.

Ok time to start looking at people again.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:24 pm I will go sleep soon so I will see if I can make better cases once we are half into DP, sry for the confusion caused, I am a bit overloaded.

No problem Rej.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2019 6:23 pm I just wrote a half case and it got deleted, I cry q.q

Short summary:
Mac profits from Drago kill
Oreki profits from Drago kill
Matahari profits in no way from Drago kill
BWT leaning town
juliets unsure
Long Con/Nutella/Sabie12 one of them might be Wolf

Rej, I would have to see your cases tomorrow.
Drago called Mata bad so why wouldn't she profit from his death?
Drago also called you bad, so don't you profit from his death?
Why does Oreki profit from his death?

I am here but having trouble getting started.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] talk to me about nutella. I'm conflicted.

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