The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm Actually Nova I wouldn't follow you on Leetic, I've never played with them before and would not lynch them D1 for that reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:39 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:15 pm

Yep.

Filler post. And you said REY was trying too hard? Bugger off with that.

The fuck is a filler post? Do you not want me to generate content? I don't believe you really suspect me for that post. You just thought it would be an easy thing to appear suspicious of.

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

Oh right, this stuff.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:39 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?

This is bad.

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:14 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:55 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 12:49 pm

Yes, I want you to generate content. That post said nothing, had no content.

I am accusing you of pretending to generate content. Was that unclear?

Well they're my thoughts so far, take them or leave them. I'm accusing you of fabricating a suspicion.

Oh right, this stuff.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:38 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:27 pm voting nutella. The speed wagon looks scummy.

How so and why me?

It looks like Jay wants to lynch speedchuck, and you've just enthusiastically agreed with his opinions. Did you post any of your own reasons about why you're voting speed?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 1:10 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 12:59 pm @Lunalee, what is your present read on speedchuck?

I really don't know. The lynch just looks opportunistic, but maybe I've missed something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:35 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 3:41 pm

I need to know why. My entire body is exploding in euphoric tingles in anticipation.

"Hey guys this speedchuck lynch feels like a dogpile" which feels like the preamble to "ok I've read over the case and think I'm good with this lynch" and then "oh noes I should have stayed strong definitely there was a mafia pushing on speed"

you're predicting what I'm going to do next and calling it scummy?

This is bad.

Is Luna teamed with Speed or setting up what to do when he’s mislynched? Cause I’m seeing potential for both. (I know Bob’s been saying it but I’ve been strongly leaning on probably teamed.)

I'm leaning towards the latter. I see her softly positioning to reap from a lynch, rather than trying to sway it. Baddie Luna, in my experience, would act ignorant about the accusations against teammates yet intrigued and understanding of them, so that she can eventually jump in if it concretize.

Then why does she come in and go nuts and make herself look bad?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm *scribbles notes in classroom notebook about immediacy of wagon shift*

I believe nova began the shift, and it looks like he has "friends" on board with it.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:06 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

lol, okay.
[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
Let's make a three-way tie and hash this out, shall we?

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this. [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine because why do you want to set up a tie this late in the day. A no lynch won't help town right now, and seems like an almost OMGUS way to handle pressure.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm *scribbles notes in classroom notebook about immediacy of wagon shift*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:22 pm Luna goes from pure defense and maybe some shade from the sidelines to diving into the thread, declaring peace over, causing a tie on me, and saying you’re bad too.

What did she think was going to happen?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:27 pm Well it reminds me of in the socky game when like two or three times sloonei and/or I tried to propose a different lunch and should have stuck with the original/were right the first time. I'm staying on speed. Call it recency bias but I don't like the sudden wagon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 9:31 pm The interactions of Lunalee and novaselinenever

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

Luna dismissed nova and I for our early attacks on the game thread. I actually don't think this reflects any particular way on nova. I can come up with equally compelling arguments either way.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:03 pm I won't bother updating the 2/2 thing I was doing unless someone specifically requests it. I had no immediate plans other than squeezing reads out of people.

I'm lazy about mafia right now, and could really benefit from someone squeezing reads out of me.

Then you should provide them. I will squeeze.

Two people you trust and two people you don't trust: go.

Don't trust:
novaselinever, mostly for his "got one" response to sabie's post, and him playing Jay's overly-excited puppy dog on day 0.
colonialbob, suspects Jay for acting very town and getting the ball rolling, inserts himself into nutella and speed's dispute with a lot a almost "fake" sounding questions, and has an issue with Jay typing "rey" instead of "nova"

Trust:
JackofHearts2005, yes he has fun, but he's getting down to business quick.
sabie. From my (limited) experience with sabie, this looks like prime town-sabie content.

nova was a "don't trust" in her 2/2 reads. The yellow portion there is a pretty severe discrediting of nova's efforts, and it echoes speedchuck's assertion that nova was just buddying me around. I think that reflects well on him.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:46 pm NOVASELINENENVER
COLONIALBOB
AUDREYTHETATTLETAIL

BAD
BAD
BAD

Bad GTH read. It's consistent and means little to me.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:42 pm

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:36 pm Okay, so my vote. I don't think I have even mentioned nova this game. I have had a bad gut read on him but haven't said anything since it isn't concrete. I like to have reasons to back up my feelings.

Wait! Why is nova voting for himself? He has been really strange this game. If he wants to vote for himself, he can get one from me too. Thank you for giving me a concrete reason to vote you, nova.

linki, with Jay. That is exactly what I thought. Glad to know I read you right And I would say you don't care abotu Chuck's alignment because you know it won't hurt civs that much to get a mislynch Day 1. Even when civs win, they usually have a misllynch Day1.

there is a lot more linki...I'll read it in a minute.

You know, I wanted to vote nova, but him voting for himself just sort of dumped water on any desire I had to vote for him. I still might do it anyways.

Who cares if he voted for himself? This looks like a mafioso who is timid about taking advantage of the goofy self-voting civilian.

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:12 pm *scribbles notes in classroom notebook about immediacy of wagon shift*

I believe nova began the shift, and it looks like he has "friends" on board with it.

When I made note of how quickly the wagon shifted from speedchuck to Luna, she blamed nova. She could have as easily blamed me, but I am a harder accusation to justify. "Friends" is a vague pile of whatever too, and I have a feeling there's at least one teammate among those "friends", whoever they are.

nova gives a perturbed expression in response to Luna calling him my puppy dog.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:40 pm JAGGEDJIMMYJAY
LUNALEE

Good
Good

nova gives her the good GTH read. Okay.

I'm disappointed in myself.

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 3:53 pm I feel the weakest about my decisions on Audrey and Luna. They are both basically 50/50 to me.

I'm getting some tiny Megaman vibes from Luna tbh. The poo throw technique is somewhat similar.

I don't really know what this means. What did this mean, nova?

The way she goes about her suspicions. She throws poo to see what sticks and mess up her facts. She's quick to go back on them and plays ignorant. Also avoids interaction when she's prodded about substantiating vague stuff descriptions like "opportunistic" and "fake"

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 19, 2019 9:20 pm Someone tell me why speedchuck is a civilian.

He's probably not civ, and we won't realize it until the end after he's steam-rolled town. No, I'm not still bitter.

Fearmongering

Halfway, kinda, sorta an accusation. Whatever.

Why are you so obsessed with me?

Late day nova compilation of Luna posts - "This is bad."

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novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:04 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 6:02 pm Actually Nova I wouldn't follow you on Leetic, I've never played with them before and would not lynch them D1 for that reason.

Change of plans. Luna it is.

He voted Luna and brought speedchuck with him.

Also brought Jack

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I still think nova is fine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:07 pm Based on interactions with Lunalee:


colonialbob
novaselinenever

AudreyTheTattleTail
nutella
leetic

speedchuck
Elohcin
Sloonei

Jackofhearts2005
reywaS
sabie12

Consider the bottom six a current POE.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:33 pmLeetic is too high

Tell me about your suspicion of him.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 11:38 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 18, 2019 10:19 am Haha you guys trying to accuse me because I said hi its gonna be a good group? I didn't have any chatter because no one was on to chat with when I was here. My accusation is nova and Jay must be teammates trying to stir the pot together and get all the suspicions off of them.

Nevermind Jay and Nova. Seems like they are strong-arming everyone at the door with their check-in posts. It's simply a power show.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:54 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:50 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:36 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 10:33 pmLeetic is too high

Tell me about your suspicion of him.

They stem from our butting heads about "defensiveness" and "information". I find his use of them very cheap, not unlike Luna and "opportunistic". I've been reading his posts and enjoying his efforts, however they haven't fully clicked with me. I haven't had that moment where I read a player's posts, understand their thoughts in and I go "that's a civilian right there". I get a certain calculating vibe from them.

I think his EoD posts reflects poorly with Luna's flip. Reads to me like he was guiding Luna through the thread and telling her "give me a reason to not vote you". His angle of Luna voting Jack to tie the vote is pretty weak, it's as if he didn't want to completely ignore the discussion around her and took an easy way in, and easy way out as not to be in the discussion of "who bussed Luna/which vote looks worse?".

I'll think over the second paragraph there. It warrants consideration. I'd also like to know what other non-leetic players think of this and of leetic in general.

Regarding the "information" bit, does Audrey's alignment have bearing for you on that front? He was resisting her lynch after all, and I think she looks good now. Does that mean something to you?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 12:35 pm @AudreyTheTattletail
@Elohcin
@novaselinenever
@nutella
@sabie12

Where are your heads at? Who are you considering voting for?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:10 pm Consolidating votes on the speedwagon. I can’t fight this feeling anymore!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:10 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:08 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:04 am @leetic why are you clearing reywas?

Revealing the entire rest of the mafia team, even as a joke, just seems like something the mafia wouldn't do. speedchuck's targeting of him looks in his favor too. Plus, there were a few towny moments of him in my ISO. Overall, it's very unlikely he's scum.

When was the entire mafia team “revealed”?

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:57 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:56 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:55 am

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 5:29 pm There’s a big part of me that wants to vote speedchuck for the sake of a terrible pun I’ve been sitting on all game, but I like the balance of the vote distribution right now and I don’t know if I’ll be around for the end of day.

Yeah, I don't like the looks of this post. It reads like "I'll stay in the reg wagon in case it takes off but create a plausible reason for me to switch to the speed wagon in case I need to make myself look good"

Or I just had a joke to make.

That's not the point. The point is, you joined the speed wagon at a very convenient time.

I disagree.

I mean, it was right before the phase end, and right when it was almost guaranteed speedchuck was going to be lynched, thus a low-risk time to bus.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:07 pm Without having time to catch up as yet I'm tossing a vote on leetic. Eloh train seems a decent one.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:12 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:08 pm I'm at a Jack/Leetic/Sabie PoE

Seriously? Why are you clearing Rey and Audrey?

Why are you not clearing Leetic and me?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:19 pm I had to switch to mobile so this isn’t going to be as pretty.

Leetic votes Luna and townreads Speed D1. He considers voting for me instead but ultimately stays on Luna, which is a good look.

D2, he reevaluates Speed and comes to the same conclusion I did, that Luna’s reaction to the Speedwagon point to Speed being mafia. He starts giving out townreads, too. It’s not good mafia strategy to bus on D1 and D2 and shrink the POE.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie

He follows up this summary with ISOs of Sabie and Rey and concludes that they are both compatible with Luna and Speed. His iso of Sloonei also puts him as potential partners with Speed. His Speed iso puts him as scummier than Rey.

All in all, for Leet to be scum, he’d have to be bussing super hard and putting in a huge amount of effort and forgoing mislynches (Jack over Luna, possibly Rey over Speed). Plus the Sloonei kill makes no sense for him.

Imo, Leet is never mafia and idk why he’s on anyone’s poe outside of jokes about Rey’s first rainbow list.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:31 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:21 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 10:19 pm I had to switch to mobile so this isn’t going to be as pretty.

Leetic votes Luna and townreads Speed D1. He considers voting for me instead but ultimately stays on Luna, which is a good look.

D2, he reevaluates Speed and comes to the same conclusion I did, that Luna’s reaction to the Speedwagon point to Speed being mafia. He starts giving out townreads, too. It’s not good mafia strategy to bus on D1 and D2 and shrink the POE.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 20, 2019 8:51 pm tldr:

People who look better because of Luna's flip: Jack, nova, bob, JJJ

People who look worse: speedchuck, Reywas, sabie

He follows up this summary with ISOs of Sabie and Rey and concludes that they are both compatible with Luna and Speed. His iso of Sloonei also puts him as potential partners with Speed. His Speed iso puts him as scummier than Rey.

All in all, for Leet to be scum, he’d have to be bussing super hard and putting in a huge amount of effort and forgoing mislynches (Jack over Luna, possibly Rey over Speed). Plus the Sloonei kill makes no sense for him.

Imo, Leet is never mafia and idk why he’s on anyone’s poe outside of jokes about Rey’s first rainbow list.

He didn't stay on Luna. He voted her, interacted with her over a few posts and then switched to Reywas.

Okay so...I can see how isoing a player and searching for the mafia’s names might have some downsides...like not noticing vote switches.

Was Rey in danger of being lynched D1? I felt like it was Speed with me as counterwagon and then Luna case in and it became Jack/Speed/Luna three way tie for just a moment and then it was Luna by at least a 2 vote margin. (This is mostly off memory cause some people don’t call their votes. )

What I’m getting at is “Was voting Rey basically letting Luna or Speed get lynched without bussing for cred it trying to vote for the most likely mislynch (Jack)? Or was it potentially voting the most likely mislynch (Rey)?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 11:14 pm Rey

The Luna/Speed/Leetic scumteam in his first rainbow list is less of a good look considering he calls out 8 different wolf reads on D1 (Speed, Luna, Leet, Jay, Jack, Eloh, Sabie, Audrey). He also calls Luna and Speed town in his gth. Zero progression there. Makes the initial rainbow look like distancing.

Rey argues with Jay about Speed a bit. Concedes that Speed could be mafia but also tries to paint a picture of townSpeed and wolfJay. Doesn’t say anything at all about the Luna train. Appears to have been absent for the whole thing.

Day 2, he focuses on me and Sloonei and says he has no reason to suspect Speedchuck, which is not consistent with his eod1.

Votes Speedchuck, saying sorry and he wants to vote Sloonei. Doesn’t actually vote him. I’m not sure why townie Rey does this. Votes were 5 Speed (6 if his vote had gone through) to 2 Rey to 1 each on Leet and Sabie. Why not vote elsewhere if he didn’t suspect Speedchuck at all? This makes the most sense as distancing.

Rey can have my top suspect slot over Bob.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:41 pm [VOTE: Reywas] aubergine

I like my Bob case. But after back to back isos, I liked my Rey case better.

Plus, kinda late to start a train considering our recent activity levels and where the votes stand.

If I’m tinfoiling on Bob, I’m sure he’ll forgive me when we just win. If I’m not, we can continue this tomorrow.