The Syndicate

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] Turns out Jay really did find his true love in his Champs game. It's that emoji.

sig wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear.
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

This is a post I feel comes from town sig. I've come to associate this type of wordy, thought-tossing-out readlist with his typical early game/entry. If I recall correctly a similar post contributed to his d1 mislynch in covid. I maybe shouldn't put as much stock in this as I have given it's easily fakeable I guess, but a quick glance at GOC (his most recent scum game) shows me he didn't really do the same thing (there's a smaller post that could qualify but it doesn't have the same feel/structure to it imo). If you want I could link the relevant posts from the two games I'm referencing but I do feel it's a not-insignificant tell for him.


D1 interactions show he's unlikely to be partnered with Soneji, who I suspect more at the moment.


Most of his iso is short, snippy, whimsical, fast and loose takes which I feel are more likely town sig than not.

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:59 pm Though Daisy's vote on Sonjie is icky.

So if Jack is bad she may be mafia
If LC is bad I could see Ted being mafia.

This post may be the worst look for him. Drawing a false association to Daisy in advance of Jack's flip. [mention]sig[/mention] do you still believe in the LC/Ted connection you posited here and why?


That post that's been quoted a few times about daisy's lynch being inevitable isn't great. But again, he drew the connection between jack and daisy earlier, and many of us saw it after d1 eod, so

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:16 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:13 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:13 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:11 pm So I was just sleeping but afyer reading everything I like this wagon more so then lc

I never was for LC and this last minute push away form daisy onto either me or LC doesn't seem genuine seems like an attempt to save a teammate

Or he's your teammate.

Totally within the realms of possibility.

Only if he's a civ. :P

Sig why haven't you tunneled me this game? You always tunnel me. What's the dealio?

Only in games where your mafia, or mafia seeming havent seen that this game.

Plus you lead the lynch d1 while its within your mafia meta nobody would go along with it anyway.

Mainly though havent seen a good reason to yet. If your alive in a few phases and we dont hit mafia then you've gotta go.

I've gone back and forth on how I feel about the Mac-non-tunnelling exchange, but again I've come away with a town lean for him being frank about it and because there is ample reason to find Mac town in this game anyway.

He still has reservations there, which he might be more hesitant to express if he's mafia and actually has TMI on Mac. He also has a healthy skepticism of Jay.


Overall I find more positive in sig's iso than negative. What's the strongest point against him?

LC appears to feel about Soneji the way I feel about sig. Not sure what that means

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:55 pm LC appears to feel about Soneji the way I feel about sig. Not sure what that means

Why does sig have the opinion of me that he does?

what

are you asking me to explain a read of sig's? I can't do that

I pointed out that he drew some kind of connection between you and Ted and I wasn't clear on why, and he said that he doesn't remember why either, that's all I know

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:33 pm This day phase has been ass.

Does anyone trust Jiwon?
Does anyone trust motobot?

Nope and nope

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:40 pm Mac voted motobot but never posted, silence alert

p sure the silenced person isn't allowed to vote either, but maybe he didn't realize that

/ it just won't count

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:50 pm Long Con is probably mafia for being a rigid beeper of boops even when I am clearly just being a jackass.

I don't follow

You mean you think the way he caved to your pressuring him to suspect Soneji for that point was inorganic? Idk

I want reads from [mention]tedxtr[/mention]

Helloooooooooooo

Oh you're talking

Nice, juicy reads from ted finally. I like his points on Myo, though I remember feeling good about her from tone/mindset and from Jack interaction. I'll take a look through her ISO when I get a chance.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 12:28 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 11:56 am I think Sloonei / myo is a solid combo for a scum team?

It's at least a valid fit in transparent terms. Sloonei has given Myo town reads without much development.

from a quick review of her iso, I think it's actually fairly unlikely for her to be teammates with Sloonei based on interactions, though not outside the realm of possibility. I think Soneji is a better fit.

I'm gonna need both of you to elaborate on how you came to those conclusions about each other.

I believe Soneji is silenced. There's a chance that it was a deliberate attempt to prevent his lynch today, but I'd feel dirty lynching him without letting him say anything for himself.

[VOTE: myo] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:32 pm LC I’ve been looking for someone to break down what that post means for a long time

Can you do that for me?

I think she is disagreeing with Ted's push of Soneji, and agreeing with Soneji's pressure on Jack to state his own takes instead of attributing them to someone else.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:33 pm I believe Soneji is silenced. There's a chance that it was a deliberate attempt to prevent his lynch today, but I'd feel dirty lynching him without letting him say anything for himself.

[VOTE: myo] aubergine

Soneji is in G-man's game and hasn't posted since this day phase started in there either.

Well the silencing item was purchased and the only other person who hasn't posted today is motobot I think, and he seems a less likely target. I guess there's the possibility that whoever bought the item hasn't used it yet, but unless Soneji posts I'm assuming it hit him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:33 pm I believe Soneji is silenced. There's a chance that it was a deliberate attempt to prevent his lynch today, but I'd feel dirty lynching him without letting him say anything for himself.

[VOTE: myo] aubergine

Soneji is in G-man's game and hasn't posted since this day phase started in there either.

Well the silencing item was purchased and the only other person who hasn't posted today is motobot I think, and he seems a less likely target. I guess there's the possibility that whoever bought the item hasn't used it yet, but unless Soneji posts I'm assuming it hit him.

Why do you assume it’s been used?

because why wouldn't it be, and because soneji hasn't posted

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:50 pmHere's what it means to me. Myo saw ted's criticism of Soneji, and realized he disagreed with it because Myo felt the same way as Soneji about Jack's original statement. Unless Myo and Soneji are the other two wolves, I give Myo town points for it. Wolf Myo doesn't need to save town Soneji, and the statement just *rings true* to me. I think it's genuine, and it's town-motivated. PLUS, of course, Myo is also taking pressure OFF Soneji and putting more on Jack. If it's a complex "help one teammate and bus another" then so be it. That's not what I think.

How can Myo possibly agree with the point if she doesn't know what salad is?

I thought it had been explained at that point. But even if it wasn't, I feel like it's reasonable to agree that Jack should have provided his own opinions rather than making a vague statement about something someone else (me) would say.

Like, *what salad is* doesn't actually even enter into Soneji's point. He was just asking Jack to give his own take. Even if that was before the salad tell was explained to myo, she could have just figured it was a tell of some sort, and not knowing what it was wouldn't preclude her from thinking that Jack should have clarified whether it was his own stance or not.

All that said I don't find it implausible for Myo to be a Jack teammate from that interaction.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:46 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:33 pm I believe Soneji is silenced. There's a chance that it was a deliberate attempt to prevent his lynch today, but I'd feel dirty lynching him without letting him say anything for himself.

[VOTE: myo] aubergine

Soneji is in G-man's game and hasn't posted since this day phase started in there either.

Well the silencing item was purchased and the only other person who hasn't posted today is motobot I think, and he seems a less likely target. I guess there's the possibility that whoever bought the item hasn't used it yet, but unless Soneji posts I'm assuming it hit him.

Why do you assume it’s been used?

because why wouldn't it be, and because soneji hasn't posted

We don’t know who bought it, only that it has been bought. “Soneji was silenced so we wouldn’t lynch him today” feels like a huge stretch, especially when that player has evidently been absent from the website in general. If the mafia team bought it, it’s a powerful tool in their hands and they might be inclined to save it for later use. If a civilian bought it, they might have done so just to prevent it from ever being used at all.

Would you like to lynch Soneji today then?

Your vote is currently on LC, talk about that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:01 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:10 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm Maybe we could give a Trustfall a go. Many of our token exercises are hard to apply in a less active game, but this one feels quite appropriate at the moment.

I don't know what a Trustfall is. If you wanted to make use of the data generated from the good/bad rank already we could assign a score (+1 for town, -1 for wolf) to get a spectrum about how the game as a whole feels about each person. It can also point out people who have an artificially high score which can suggest wolves trusting their teammates whereas nobody else trusting that person.

Something about this post rings inauthentic to me.

It kind of just doesn't make much sense in a world with two wolves left. One extra positive on a teammate isn't a significant skew.

Hot takes here, get your hot takes, fresh off the griddle


(yeah i know jay said it first)

Sloonei isn't hunting. He doesn't care who we lynch today. If anything he's deflecting from the Myo focus.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 4:58 pm I don't trust sig either. I don't really understand people's views in this game. That doesn't make me right, but I don't get it.

I would support a sig lynch. Though I appreciated it, his faith in my Civviness felt unwarranted.

Didn't you use this exact angle in Assassin's Creed?

Hottest take yet. Long Con and Sloonei are teammates.

Good to know you're not silenced lol

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:21 pm Haven't really had the time to invest in this game the way I would want to normally, in part because I got caught in a multiball situation+work stuff hitting hard with the Keys reopening, but I think Myo is a fine lynch. Their post in response to Jack just niggles in the back of my mind as extremely out of place within their ISO, as it was the only thing resembling a read but it wasn't actually pointing a Finger of Suspicion on Jack, merely saying that there was merit in calling out that post. It was possibly also made to copy my own given reasoning for suspecting that post, they had enough time to see my own post before posting theirs.

ted would be my other choice, and if Myo flips scum that would clear them. That Ted isn't pushing my lynch when it would be easy to is also a good look for them to me.

I feel like that last sentence isn't a real read

if you're town, wouldn't you be concerned he has TMI on you, or are you not like LC in being sensitive to that?

Explain to me how this isn't a perspective slip

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:18 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:13 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 6:21 pm Haven't really had the time to invest in this game the way I would want to normally, in part because I got caught in a multiball situation+work stuff hitting hard with the Keys reopening, but I think Myo is a fine lynch. Their post in response to Jack just niggles in the back of my mind as extremely out of place within their ISO, as it was the only thing resembling a read but it wasn't actually pointing a Finger of Suspicion on Jack, merely saying that there was merit in calling out that post. It was possibly also made to copy my own given reasoning for suspecting that post, they had enough time to see my own post before posting theirs.

ted would be my other choice, and if Myo flips scum that would clear them. That Ted isn't pushing my lynch when it would be easy to is also a good look for them to me.

I feel like that last sentence isn't a real read

if you're town, wouldn't you be concerned he has TMI on you, or are you not like LC in being sensitive to that?

Explain to me how this isn't a perspective slip

I would be more concerned about it if they hadn't showed a progression on their read of me since scumreading+voting for me d1, but they have. I'm a very paranoid person, but I try not to let it rule me. Right now the niggling about Myo is taking precedent.

ok, understood

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:09 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:46 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:32 pm Wow, what a fun turn of events. In general, I don’t do early game reads. I rely a lot on meta to be able to read people and I don’t have that here obviously. The amount of jargon and the way people post here have been jarring I guess (it has been very hard for me to get into the game) and I think contributed to what people are calling stilted.

Who should it be if not you?

My vote would be Lon Con but you've made it well known that you disagree with that suggestion.

Why does his opinion matter more than your own when it comes to your vote?

I think that was phrased poorly. I'm still going to vote for you. My point was that I highly doubtful that he (and others) would follow. I'm not voting for Sloonie (the current 2nd place vote getter), he's one of the people that I'm most confident is town. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd far rather have it be a suspicious townie than a wild last minute swing onto someone that is generally regarded as trusted. Suspicious townies muddle the waters, as has been evident.

I don't understand this. Don't you want to vote for someone you think isn't town?

Myo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:16 pm Am I included in that group? Am I muddying the waters?

Are you town? As it stands, I think you're evil.

My point, which I think is pretty self-evident is that suspicious townies are a net negative for the town and a positive for the wolves. They're not killed because they're easy to mislynch. But ultimately if I'm going to be continuously distracting, then it's not a terrible play. The best solution is to be less suspicious, but apparently I don't excel at that, no matter where I am.

......I see. So you do think LC is scum but he's a less-bad loss if he flips town than a more consensus townie would be (I'm not sure I'd call Sloonei a consensus townie at this point, but that's another conversation)

My question was more about LC but your later post cleared up my misunderstanding

Can you sum up why you suspect LC and why you think Sloonei is town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:32 pm

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pm Who is long con?

I swore off ever doing pre-flip associative reads again, but I've been squinting at this post as a possible indicator of a Jiwon/LC pairing for days.

brb repenting

Why Jiwon instead of Long Con?

sometimes I almost type a post only to scroll down and see jay has already written it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:33 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:33 pm Lol at Sig already having two votes.

then again, this post also exists

is this supposed to mean anything? Do you think this is indicative of a Jack/sig w/w pairing?

like, why can't jack say that about a sig he knows is just getting mislynched again

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:39 pm I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

Yeah

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:48 pm in two games with synced deadlines, and i'm on the chopping block in the other. I glanced at jiwon and sig's posts but I won't be producing any substantive work before this deadline, unfortunately. I am a gigantic fart. I'm here until the deadline, but I'm also there until the deadline.

Best of luck to all playing in the other game at the same time. Can you at least give a quick rundown on what your overall impression/ultimate reads on those players were coming out of those isos?

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:46 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:44 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:39 pm I am not convinced Soneji would have moved off of Myo had I not said that and voted sig up there. It doesn't feel like his authentic view that it's the right move, but rather like momentum is being followed.

I was considering it, but I'm going between posting in two other games as well. So yes having you meld with my thoughts, and vote on a wagon I'm interested in, helped decide things sooner than they otherwise might have been. Townies get swayed by momentum and go with the flow more than elsewise, and it's interesting you are scumreading me for not being rigid considering earlier comments on my play.

Why is that interesting? What does that mean? Am I mafia?

It certainly increases your chances to be, as you're pushing me as scum from any angle you can.

This is baldercock poppydash steaming excrement. Soneji doesn't suspect Jay. Soneji is not a townie.

I just really think sig is town

Sigh going to bed without a flip. Epi lose internet or something?

Ugh lame

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers

How do you know there is a scum in those two? What if neither of both are? Like I guess in that case one flipping town technically increases the probability jay is bad lol (he isn't) but like. Huh

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 2:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 1:03 pm Ugh lame

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:05 am I’m giving Jay one more chance before I start looking his direction, and that is to find the scum in Myo and Jiwon.

That’s the ultimatum, if he picks wrong, my bloodlust for him will trump my policy lynching tendencies for lurkers

How do you know there is a scum in those two? What if neither of both are? Like I guess in that case one flipping town technically increases the probability jay is bad lol (he isn't) but like. Huh

I get why the Day 1 Jack voters get Civ cred. Is your cred for JJJ just based on his playstyle this game, or something more concrete?

Yes

My Jaydar is quite reliable and I have a hard time articulating how I can spot when he's fake but he's not fake here