The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:01 pm I've made other mistakes if anybody wants to point them out. I don't give a shit.

Nah I don't care either. I do care who you suspect. Answer sig's question

How do you feel about the fact that Epi still hasn't given us an opinion on your alignment?

Eh, I'd like to hear what he thinks of me, but Epi will be Epi.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:11 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:47 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:42 pm No surprise to many of you, Epi’s exercise did not go in the direction I anticipated in terms of purpose or when it would be useful, so I’ll eat crow there. I am pretty comfortably rescinding my earlier suspicions and putting him in town territory for the time being.

I don't understand what other thing(s) you thought he could have done with it (aside from later speculation on teammates when we get a scum flip, which the now-relevant part of the analysis certainly does not preclude).

Nvm saw Colin's response (which doesn't entirely satisfy me but it makes more sense)

I don't understand why, if he's worried about later teammate speculation, the current analysis has assuaged his fears, because it absolutely does not preclude, and indeed paves the way for, said later speculation.

oof that sentence is a nightmare of a syntax tree. whatever

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:07 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:01 pm I've made other mistakes if anybody wants to point them out. I don't give a shit.

Nah I don't care either. I do care who you suspect. Answer sig's question

I saved your ass. I'm not taking order from you. Get lost.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:36 pm Why in fuck of all players has nutella started pestering Epignosis after he apparently saved her from a lynching?

Possibilities: Establishment of teammate distance, she is a civ and is tinfoiling, she is Mafia and ... nothing immediately comes to mind.

Given that I am civ reading Epignosis quite hard, this behaviour is a slight civ tick for nutella.

Pestering, sure. I don't suspect him though if that's what you're suggesting -- I'm not "tinfoiling." And I am grateful that he saved me.

Friendly reminder to send actions in the next 55 minutes in order to level up (first 12 hours of night). Not that anyone else is around right now so I hope y'all have already done them

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:40 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:26 pm night ends in about 2 hours if the poll is accurate.

I thought it ended a few hours ago, meh

Are we going by the poll time or by the time of Jack's post in which he said "24 hours from now (actions due in 23)"?

If the latter, the action deadline passed 15 minutes ago and the night ends in 45 minutes.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] ?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:01 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:52 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:50 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:34 am What is she falsifying?

When I'm scum, i almost always present the same reads I would if I was town, with the slight shifting upwards of my mafia mates. That means it's actually super easy to generate some 'fake' pings, because civs are often pingy, especially early. Where it gets harder is making full read lists, because hang around after you flip and are ripe for analysis,, plus being obvious if you shift somebody much. I don't recall dunya doing a rainbow, although it's quite possible she did, I'm not going through that ISO. But you seem to be implying that all those posts can't be falsified, and I don't know why they all have to be.

Any read provided by a mafioso [in a one mafia team game] other than Teammate X is mafia is false. Any post made in the thread with the intent of assuming a civilian appearance without featuring reads is fake. I'm placing them under the same umbrella. It doesn't account for every post, but it accounts for most. The exceptions would be spam and banter, and I don't think a huge portion of the 500+ in dunya's case are either of those.

You consider civ-reading civs as false?

Any "read" is false, yes. If it's straight up "Civilian X is a civilian", that wouldn't be false.

I sort of disagree with this but it might just be that you're using a strict Boolean-logical definition of "false." When I'm bad I still make more-or-less genuine "reads" of players based on how their behavior/activity looks. I don't randomly assert that players I know to be civilian are either civ or scum, I say that I suspect players who look bad and I say that I civ-read players who look good. Reads provided by scum are not without value.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 2:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:31 am I don't understand why, if he's worried about later teammate speculation, the current analysis has assuaged his fears, because it absolutely does not preclude, and indeed paves the way for, said later speculation.

It's hard for me to say what the bad version of Epignosis' conclusions would look like, but something that I wouldn't agree with is a call-to-arms to lynch somebody (now or in the future) based on it without compelling evidence. What is does do is merely bring up discussion. What I'm not seeing is why my behavior looks so strange to you here - if I'm scum, what's my game?

I don't believe I said that I suspect you, where did you get that? I'm just trying to understand your thought process. If you were worried that later teammate speculation would be a dangerous analysis trap, I don't understand why you're not still concerned that the data will be used for that once we get a scum flip. But I guess I can understand that you feel okay about what Epi has done with it for now/at this stage of the game.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:48 pm A quick ISO shows a weird suppression of any d1 reads - he gets on Mac for early reads not based on much, then JJJ for an early strong townread. It doesn't get my dander up as much as JJJ's, but I don't like it either. I'd put him in Orange territory (reminds me I should do a rainbow soon)

What about his assertion that he "firmly" believed there was scum in sprityo/kites/LC?

do I have them for ISOing him earlier or should I do it again

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:48 pm A quick ISO shows a weird suppression of any d1 reads - he gets on Mac for early reads not based on much, then JJJ for an early strong townread. It doesn't get my dander up as much as JJJ's, but I don't like it either. I'd put him in Orange territory (reminds me I should do a rainbow soon)

What about his assertion that he "firmly" believed there was scum in sprityo/kites/LC?

Missed that (I did say quick after all). What was the reasoning?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p407534

For some reason he grouped together sprityo's claim that one vote could kill him with LC's and Kites' pattern of acting ignorant.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:06 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:57 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:48 pm A quick ISO shows a weird suppression of any d1 reads - he gets on Mac for early reads not based on much, then JJJ for an early strong townread. It doesn't get my dander up as much as JJJ's, but I don't like it either. I'd put him in Orange territory (reminds me I should do a rainbow soon)

What about his assertion that he "firmly" believed there was scum in sprityo/kites/LC?

Missed that (I did say quick after all). What was the reasoning?

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 34#p407534

For some reason he grouped together sprityo's claim that one vote could kill him with LC's and Kites' pattern of acting ignorant.

What about Dr. White himself trying to recruit Iron_Dwarf before it was even his turn to recruit. Does that fall under "acting ignorant" category?

Maybe? I think I believed at the time that he was genuinely confused/misled about how the draft works -- particularly because I recall DDL admitting that when he contacted him to come play the game he may have misled him into thinking it was his turn to draft.

Oh yeah as far as his specific choice of Iron_Dwarf, that is rather curious as he presumably didn't know anyone besides DDL. Potential teammates.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:50 pm Oh yeah as far as his specific choice of Iron_Dwarf, that is rather curious as he presumably didn't know anyone besides DDL. Potential teammates.

Hmm but when his real turn came up, Iron_Dwarf was still available and yet he chose Marmot.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:50 pm Oh yeah as far as his specific choice of Iron_Dwarf, that is rather curious as he presumably didn't know anyone besides DDL. Potential teammates.

Hmm but when his real turn came up, Iron_Dwarf was still available and yet he chose Marmot.

what does that tell you?

Dunno. Maybe nothing. Maybe Iron_Dwarf and Marmot are both his teammates. Seems highly unlikely (especially since they were the last two to be drafted). It might just have been because Marmot was around at the time Dr. White was up and Marmot was asking more eagerly for a role.

[mention]Dr. White[/mention], when you drafted you only had two choices, right? Why did you pick Marmot instead of Iron_Dwarf, who you were originally going to pick when you thought it was your turn earlier?

huh.... RIP rabbit, even though you never appeared so much for the pegasus triangle I guess :\

Oh hey lapluie good to see you participating.

Likewise to Quin, looking forward to seeing more actual content from you this phase. can you convince me you're not bad?

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I assume that the poll is just silly nonsense to show the deadline as requested, can you confirm that the choices don't matter in any way/we don't have to vote in it?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:55 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:52 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:18 am Let's get the ball rolling

[VOTE: QUIN ] aubergine

Aubergine

I am quite taken aback by your back down on nutella that quickly for that reason.

I'm not backing down for shit. nutella is talking, keep her talking. Get me Quin talking.

Looks like a backdown, smells like a backdown, quacks like a backdown

Are you voting nutella now? It's hour 1 of a 48 hour day. Get scum huting MacD. nutella is 1 of 5.

what does this mean

[mention]dunya[/mention] do you suspect me? apparently not as much as yesterday because of the rabbit kill but here you say I'm "1 of 5"
and do you suspect macdougall?

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] what are your current thoughts on me? you called out dunya for seemingly backing down on me, does that change how you feel about her and/or me?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:04 am dunya, lapluie has two posts in Buffy during the course of Day 1 here. Is this what I'm working with in this argument?

yeah I believe I saw her posting in buffy and also in the MK endgame discussion while D1 was happening here

Yeah sorry I posted before reading linki. Not sure I feel great about your response though

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:05 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:58 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:55 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:52 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:18 am Let's get the ball rolling

[VOTE: QUIN ] aubergine

Aubergine

I am quite taken aback by your back down on nutella that quickly for that reason.

I'm not backing down for shit. nutella is talking, keep her talking. Get me Quin talking.

Looks like a backdown, smells like a backdown, quacks like a backdown

Are you voting nutella now? It's hour 1 of a 48 hour day. Get scum huting MacD. nutella is 1 of 5.

what does this mean

@dunya do you suspect me? apparently not as much as yesterday because of the rabbit kill but here you say I'm "1 of 5"
and do you suspect macdougall?

@MacDougall what are your current thoughts on me? you called out dunya for seemingly backing down on me, does that change how you feel about her and/or me?

I don't suspect you any less because you never satisfied my concerns. Especially naming me your 3rd highest civ read without anything at all in the thread to support that before. That is a big red warning sign imo.

The rabbit8 kill is not enough to excuse you from shit. I'm thinking out loud, I even see a motive for you to kill him (what you're trying to do now...bait stuck to my hook).

I tend to agree with Jay's theory about high posting in general and I have seen nothing but a whirlwind of civ meta from you so I don't really feel the need to justify that read. I have briefly considered tinfoiling you at a few different points but I keep concluding that you've got to be town.

I'm not mafia and didn't kill rabbit, you can tinfoil whatever motive or wifom you want but it's not the case. I'm pretty damn disappointed that the triangle thing is out of the picture

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:14 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:12 am

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:10 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:09 am Yeah sorry I posted before reading linki. Not sure I feel great about your response though

Just wanna push a player in the fire after you had more votes don't you?

Why are you throwing shade at nutella? Do you suspect her now? Why?

Sorry nutella, I am not trying to be agressive with my words. just my take on finding new fish to fry when you've been under the knife basically. Makes me an easier target I guess

I named you as a suspect long before I was a primary lynch candidate but ok

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:22 am

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:17 am I tend to agree with Jay's theory about high posting in general and I have seen nothing but a whirlwind of civ meta from you so I don't really feel the need to justify that read. I have briefly considered tinfoiling you at a few different points but I keep concluding that you've got to be town.

I'm not mafia and didn't kill rabbit, you can tinfoil whatever motive or wifom you want but it's not the case. I'm pretty damn disappointed that the triangle thing is out of the picture

I don't believe your first paragraph. In Mountains mafia, you shared civ reads. I may have even called you out on it because I feel wary of people who Town read people instead of suspecting people as a form of scumhunting. So that is pretty unbelievable to me

Not really sure what you mean here. In Mountains I tinfoiled Jay and Sloonei a bit and it turned out to be the most ridiculous idea so nah Jay's probably right. I do town reads when I have them, sorry if you don't like it but it works for me.

k I'm going to bed I look forward to the 56 new pages that will appear by morning

Oh sorry I was thinking of Fiddler lol somehow my brain mixed up Mountains with that. That explains why I didn't get what you meant lmao

Fiddler is the game where I tinfoiled Jay and Sloonei and it was stupid. In Mountains I helped catch bad Jay

And I don't always specifically justify every town read when I make a rainbow unless I'm asked.

ok good night

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:08 am nutella, I've a new concern developing about you. I believe you have been subject to tunneling. Both Mac and dunya have done this (both of you calm down, I don't think you look worse for it, but I do think you've tunneled -- so have I in other instances). I believe you have been subject to some weak accusations. I believe the level of fury you have faced has not suited the fury your posts warrant.

Despite all of this, you seem cool as a cucumber. Players you read as civilians have been choke-holding you for days now. Every time you make a post, one of them is calling you mafia for it. You were centimeters from being the Day 1 lynch. Your emotions have never flared in any visible way; I have seen little or no evidence of frustration. It strikes me as unnatural. Tell me about your general state of mind right now as it pertains to this Mafia game.

Oh believe me I was frustrated. Maybe it didn't show but I certainly feel like I played/defended pretty badly on D1 and I get why that looked bad. I really didn't want to get lynched and I did try to express that, but I think also my fear was assuaged a bit by both Epi's claim that he'd switch the lynch and by the possibility that he or Quin was in the running to get as many/more votes than me.

When I didn't get lynched, I relaxed more and felt more confident going into night 1/day 2. I'm here and ready to give this game my best effort whether people try to lynch me again or not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:46 am Well I blocked nutella

I'm flying and you're foot though, right? Wouldn't that just not work?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:38 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 2:04 am If this was intentional, I hate to say it but it makes nutella look better because the pegasus triangle would have been a mafia weapon too and she is a member who has alliance with Long Con, so strategically rabbit8 wouldn't have been the choice for night 1? Or she did that to win points so that we don't go after her Day 2.

This is a great point in both nutella's and my favour. If either of us were Mafia, then this kill wouldn't have happened. Misdirects? How many are out there? I had one, and nutella. Should I share who I misdirected randomly? I will share that I don't really like using this power, because I don't know what I get from it. The only reason I targeted someone is to get experience. Are there more redirects in play Night 1?

rabbit8 was the only one of the three Pegasisters that was tracking last night. As a low-poster, he was also least likely to get protected. I'm hoping there will be protection for nutella and I tomorrow night. But there's a reason for killing rabbit8: stopping the tracker.

Unless killing him is some kind of running gag on here considering he's dying early in every game.

No, that is not a thing. And there's another reason why nutella and I are off the hook. rabbit8 is an old Mafia friend only just recently returned to play, and he was just mislynched in LOTR Mafia less than 12 hours prior to his nightkill here. It is upsetting to me to see him get beat up a little around here, I don't want him to get frustrated and leave again, I damn well am not going to kill him on Night 1!

I'm up for making all misdirects and redirects public. There are several folk that I wouldn't believe would kill rabbit Night 1.

The Myrmidons (DDL and Quin) also have misdirects, the mercenary colonialbob has one 1 night out of every 3, and then there's the cavalier/paladin ones. So quite a few.

I misdirected Quin. Chaos reigns

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] shouldn't the thread title say day 2 not day 1?


haha ddl

dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

less dunya more hunt

ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:10 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

less dunya more hunt

ok. have you explained your vote on Iron_Dwarf? Is it related to the Dr. White draft thing or something else? Should I ISO him?

My vote is on Quin for now but I'm open to other options, especially if he comes back and provides more content this phase

Dr. White is my top suspect. Iron_Dwarf is a pet suspect. They are unrelated. I don't have the time right now to provide a substantive case, but I may later tonight. Succinctly: I see a number of reads he has made which only barely qualify as "reads". Either no concrete stance is taken or a stance is supported with total vagueness. There's a lot of potential for fake hunting.

Cool. I'll check out his iso.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

I am trying to lay off you btw, please don't think I'm badgering or tunneling intentionally, but people keep asking me specific questions about you.

Is Quin's low activity the only reason you are pinged by him?

It's not "low activity," it's that when he has posted his posts have been largely devoid of actual content/hunting/reads

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:53 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:04 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 1:44 am

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 8:17 am Just like on RYM, rundontwalk is posting like a madman aka #ballstothewall. And dunya can't wait to start digging around in everyone's post histories.

Hey Dwarf, what do these observations mean to you as it pertains to those two players' alignments?

There was no particular judgment made here. It's their M.O. every game basically.

Also, this will be my last post for Sunday probably.

Dwarf loses a point for saying things just to say things.

This was just banter because I was reminiscing about the good old days of playing mafia on RYM.

I agree with jay in this exchange, why did he mention those players' styles/MOs if he doesn't believe they're alignment-indicative?

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm Random tidbits about people. If people want me to elaborate on some, please say so.

MacDougall - Feels shady, but he had the problem of being away on vacation so may not have the time to properly explain himself
Dragon D Luffy - Feels shady, like throwing bits around and see what sticks
rabbit 8 - He is quiet and didn't have a valid excuse to be so
epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off
Long Con - Feels like he's flipflopping a bit on his reads
rundontwalk - #ballstothewall

As much as day 1 is the traditional crapshoot, I will go with voting Dragon D Luffy for now.

VOTE DRAGON D LUFFY

Ah yes this is the post I called out as salad. Like, what the hell is this mess

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:07 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:03 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm Random tidbits about people. If people want me to elaborate on some, please say so.

MacDougall - Feels shady, but he had the problem of being away on vacation so may not have the time to properly explain himself
Dragon D Luffy - Feels shady, like throwing bits around and see what sticks
rabbit 8 - He is quiet and didn't have a valid excuse to be so
epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off
Long Con - Feels like he's flipflopping a bit on his reads
rundontwalk - #ballstothewall

As much as day 1 is the traditional crapshoot, I will go with voting Dragon D Luffy for now.

VOTE DRAGON D LUFFY

I'd like your opinions on nutella and ColinIsCool in 5, 4, 3....

Nutella - Feels all over the place
Coliniscool - Seems earnest, town

Says I feel all over the place. Is that a scum read or nah?

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:03 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:48 pm nutella, why do you think Epi and Colin are both civilians?

because there's no baddie motive that makes sense for what either of them are doing. (and because I have town read both of them for other reasons)

I don't agree with the former. What are the other reasons?

Epi is doing his "I don't care what you think" schtick, and Colin has provided a couple other original thoughts/insights and overall his iso gave me town feels.

Share with us the minutes between your post declaring intent to iso Colin and your brief summary post of his iso plz?

I don't understand this? do you want the amount of time it took me to write that post? I don't do elaborate iso analyses like some other people, I just skim it and write out general impressions, maybe with one or two quotes, so it doesn't take very long

But if asked you would be able to come up with some more argumentation I presume?

Don't even know what he means here but it looks like potential buddying of Mac

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 7:30 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:50 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:00 pm epignosis - His behavior feels a bit off

Off from what?

And how is it a bit off?

What are the degrees of offness?

What behavior would be "on?"

From the start it seems you were mainly fishing for others to step up and talk. This makes you harder to read.

Then you went after Colin, but my read on him is that he's town. And now you've changed gear.

You also are doing this gambit with your misdirect power. If you indeed have it, why use it on day 1 when cases generally speaking are based on less solid foundations than later in the game? It feels like a waste.

You are also quite silent about nutella, who at the moment is the one most likely to be lynched.

I don't really know what your end game is with all these actions. Feels like sowing fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Criticism of Epi, I think this post looks okay/town-minded even if I disagree (might be at least partially due to difference in familiarity with Epi as a player). He follows it up with a vote for Epi.

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:50 am Voted for ColinIsCool in the poll. He feels like a genuine town. Can't really point to anything suspicious in his post history. Better safe than sorry. If dunya is indeed civ, she is a valuable asset, but you still run the risk she might be scum. Leaning towards the former, but it remains risky.

This was a weird post which others have already called him out on -- why is there not the same risk of Colin being scum?

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:31 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:26 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 12:56 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 4:50 am Voted for ColinIsCool in the poll. He feels like a genuine town. Can't really point to anything suspicious in his post history. Better safe than sorry. If dunya is indeed civ, she is a valuable asset, but you still run the risk she might be scum. Leaning towards the former, but it remains risky.

wouldn't the same thing be true about Colin?

Dunya is quite prolific and dictating a lot of where the discussion goes.

And as I said, I cannot point to anything in Colins history thats really suspicious.

sorry, I'll clarify. don't you also run the risk that Colin is scum?

Well I believe that based on my reads I regard dunya as a riskier prospect than Colin. In rainbow terms green vs. green/orange.

his response. makes.... some sense. like I guess he's saying that dunya would more more dangerous if she was bad, and also that he feels more confident that Colin is town he goes on to say that he doesn't currently suspect dunya but he's wary of the possibility she could be scum steering the thread

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:50 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:22 pm

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 3:09 pm You are very analytical and putting people under a lot of scrutiny. Town.

Name 3 people Jay has put under a lot of scrutiny. Go.

Homework! For instance, exchanges about Epi, analysis of Colin, and yourself.

dunya points out that he doesn't include Dr. White here who was Jay's top suspect. that omission combined with the weird draft thing definitely makes Iron_Dwarf and Dr. White look like potential teammates

also, he says Jay has put dunya under a lot of scrutiny?? does asserting that her high post count makes her 100% town count as scrutiny?

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:55 am Rabbit probably was a safe kill for the scum, as he was inactive and no one was going to protect him and all. That's the only reason I can think of at least.

For the rest, some gaslighting going on. Don't know why @nutella and @dunya were going on two pages back about the last two draft picks and last minute switching between two players in what was a messy phase.

his thoughts on the rabbit kill, and then this is all he has to say so far about the Dr. White draft pick issue. Are you really so keen to just dismiss Dr. White's odd switch and chalk it up to a "messy phase"? Why do you think he originally wanted to draft you, but then didn't when you were still available on his actual turn?


yeah I could vote for this guy

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:22 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:18 pm who else found Iron_Dwarf's answer about who Jay is making cases about with ping worthy for the fact Dr. White was not mentioned? Possible w/w if we take into consideration Dr. White's random drafting of Iron_Dwarf at the wrong time, then backing off him to Marmot in the end, when I_D was still available?

Ok, so I can't be bothered to go back and look this up, but I've seen it referenced a few times. Did Dr. White try to draft Iron Dwarf at a random time when it was not his turn to choose, and then a long time later draft a different player? Cuz if that's the case I don't see there actually being much to it cuz the rest of us were just picking based off who was active at the time anyway. Am I missing something?

It could be explained by the fact that Marmot was active and asking for a role at the time Dr. White's actual turn came up. I'd have to go back and check if Iron_Dwarf was active at the time he tried to draft when it wasn't his turn

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:24 pm for the record i used my other ability to prevent fliers from targeting dunya

it can either stop wyvern’s kill attempt, and/or pegasus’ saving so it’s kinda tricky to use, the outcome may not be what i wanted, in this case protecting

wait you have two separate targets? I thought the "fliers can't target your target" referred to the target of your main ability. I guess I misunderstood that. Also what do you mean by pegasus "saving"? It's a misdirect, the target isn't protected but has the target of their ability changed.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:25 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:21 pm I'm reaching, I know. But if no one misdirected me, I don't see what the explanation is unless the host made a mistake.

hmmmm if my power really didn't hit it's intended target then it's possible it got redirected by long con to hit you instead? I'm not actually sure if that would cause you to just get a wrong result or if TonyStarkanine would get a thief read of your nationality instead? It's not always clear what "reverse" means.

hm I guess that's a possibility. getting goodguyia instead of badguyia would make sense as a reversal of the thief ability

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 6:04 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:57 pm

Kites wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:24 pm for the record i used my other ability to prevent fliers from targeting dunya

it can either stop wyvern’s kill attempt, and/or pegasus’ saving so it’s kinda tricky to use, the outcome may not be what i wanted, in this case protecting

wait you have two separate targets? I thought the "fliers can't target your target" referred to the target of your main ability. I guess I misunderstood that. Also what do you mean by pegasus "saving"? It's a misdirect, the target isn't protected but has the target of their ability changed.

yeah misdirect is the right word, i was thinking of paladin

it means that whoever i target, can not be targeted by fliers. having two abilities i can use both of them or just one, but i can only target one person. i didn’t use the other

hmm ok

yeah it looks like Iron_Dwarf wasn't active when Dr. White first showed up. [mention]Dr. White[/mention] care to explain why you tried to pick him and then changed?

linki: hmm yeah cbob's votes haven't looked great. I feel like I've otherwise been getting civ vibes from him though, could reread him

Mac claimed to have the same passive as me (not being able to place the first vote on someone).

Also yeah I agree the ring reveal makes Tony look good. Dunya why do you think sprityo is ring? That doesn't make any sense. He claims he's easy to lynch because of some passive that puts him in danger with one vote.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:47 pm Mac claimed to have the same passive as me (not being able to place the first vote on someone).

did you claim it first, or him? I can't be arsed to check. dunya is lazy.

I brought mine up on day 1. Don't think Mac mentioned his until today.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now

I am trying to lay off you btw, please don't think I'm badgering or tunneling intentionally, but people keep asking me specific questions about you.

Is Quin's low activity the only reason you are pinged by him?

It's not "low activity," it's that when he has posted his posts have been largely devoid of actual content/hunting/reads

You are going to qualify this and I am going to laugh at you as you fail miserably.

Okay.

I'll look through your ISO for reads and content, but I don't know how you expect to prove me wrong. I remember maybe 2 posts by you day 1 that had any kind of reads. So far your posts today haven't said much either.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:29 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.

You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.

I'm not going to beg for forgiveness or actively try to match a rate of posting you're happy with. I'm posting at a rate that I'm comfortable with given my rl circumstances. These arguments that I'm only posting empty content disgust me.

I don't care if the arguments disgust you. I do care how you read the players making the argument.

I wouldn't say you've only posted empty content, but you've posted more of it than would be ideal given your post count.

I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)

Yeah you posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase, but unfortunately you didn't replace it with meaningful content. I don't believe you completely dropped it either, looking at your ISO now there are quite a few fluff posts after day 1 started as well. I'll make a summary in my next post, stay tuned. (and as I'm writing this I see Jay is already beating me to it. ah well I'll still do it)

Your current content has been pretty much just replying to this accusation and calling me suspicious for it. What are your other reads?

Oh look, a read. A civ read on Dr. White. K.

alright here are all of quin's day 1 posts

Comment on Jay's meta. Vaguely relevant but not hunting.
Flavor comment that may or may not be relevant to the game (I think it's probably not). Not hunting
Prod on sig for what mafia mac looks like. This is one of your more meaningful posts but it still isn't much
Flavor comment in relation to Kites' weird post. May be tangentially game-relevant but Quin adds nothing substantial to the analysis anyway
His picks for Epi's survey.
Civ read on Dr White and DDL, "nobody I dislike" -- one of your few posts with actual reads and it's disgusting.
"is sloonei even playing" not content
asking for iso links, not content
asking for jay's buttocks, not content
says DDL and rdw stand out as early contributors -- sort of content but not productive
confirming lack of scumreads
dislikes dunya "pushing scumread quota"
says he only has town reads again (3rd time), except this time he says "bar the above" which I assume refers to suspecting dunya for "pushing a scumread quota"?
more talk on not having scum reads, zzzzzzzz
yet more. snore
quotes exchange between jay and dr white saying "this ass is town" not even sure which of the two he is referring to?
"quinfoil" pun 100% fluff
another snarky reply to dunya
prod of Colin
more about colin
more about colin, hey this post approaches being productive
response to colin
--------end of day 1 (he wasn't around for the end of it; there is a 21-hour gap between his last post and his next one)----------

I count about 9 actually productive posts, and in those he only talks about/gives reads of ~5 players (Jay, Dr. White, DDL, dunya, and coliniscool).
About 6 completely fluffy posts, and about 6 posts relating to the scumread quota business.

The most productive content I see is the ~4 posts you direct to Colin. How are you feeling about him now?

Night 1
first post after eod "why did you do that" presumably referring to the accumulation of votes on him while he wasn't there
"oh ok it's because i'm not posting" lol
claiming his day 1 posts weren't fluff
nah alright I'm stopping here and just summarizing the rest this is getting tedious. He defends Dr. White in an exchange with Jay about the implied meaning of "interesting."
Suspects dunya and me for the "scumread quota" thing. I can't speak for dunya but I never said anything about a "scumread quota," I just thought it was suspicious that you specifically didn't have any scumreads. There's a subtle difference there.
Oh look you admit that the argument that you've posted close to no content in your posts is valid howboudah

---Day 2---
you prod lapluie a bit
talk a little bit about the rabbit kill/justifications for it
call out lapluie for playing "with a crutch" -- ok this is actually decent hunting, have you followed it up at all? or I guess she hasn't responded yet
pretty much everything after that is defending your content to me/jay and calling me scum

so... your most significant contributions have been against colin and lap, and yet you choose to vote for me simply because I'm calling you out k dude

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:44 pm Dr. White posts I have issues with:

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Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution? Seems like he was trying to feign activity. The split between him and colonial is very interesting.

I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.

Nutella jumped on Mac pretty early. Not sure if it was a pressure vote, but it really put me off towards them.

Not sure how DDL plays here. He seems more passive and backing down a bit, I will keep a watch on him for sure. Anyone who wants to give me his meta summary feel free.

Other person of note was dunya. Pretty much just need more time to see if she's genuinely town leading, or "the string pulling" mafioso that was mentioned earlier.

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Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution?

So in a game in which one is to determine who received a mafia role one should utilise no intuition whatsoever? Interesting. I have been playing the game wrong for 7 years.

This is a bad reply. I clearly know how to play mafia, and you clearly are twisting what I said. You couldn't have possibly had gotten any solid info on that many people enough to make that many reads at the time you posted that in the thread. Gattling a ton of random reads doesn't really give us much except possible connections back to you for later game. If you were vacationing why choose this as your one contribution to the thread? Once again, seems to be you attempting to set up a presence in the thread with those "reads".

This is hopefully the post he's talking about:

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:14 pm That's funny because I was going to say ColonialBob was mafia based on his plane taxi post. It just felt laid on thick to me. I mean I am on a tropical island 20 feet from the ocean but you didn't know that because I am genuinely distracted and disinterested whereas he had that scummy forced connectivity to the thread that makes you say unnecessary things.

Also I think RDW is a civ. Dunya is a civ. Epignosis and sig are sus. Jimmy is a civ. Colin is a civ. gwilikers6 is sus. Spirityo and nutella are civ. Kyle is a civ. Quin is sus. Rabbit is a civ. Everybody else is null. Brb fishing.

A reads list by any criteria is appreciated on Day 0. I dislike White's condemnation of it without actually looking into it first. I'm pinged by his criticism of Mac for contributing what he did given that he was on holiday..

I still maintain that Dr.White entered with a sort of authoritative style, and for a player having his first game on another site, I'd say that's unlikely for scum. These two posts aren't great though. Lean town.

Lol yeah you're his teammate

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] I do believe that Jay and I have both already addressed that even completely disregarding the draft phase Quin has quite a few fluff posts and not as much productive content as we generally expect from him.

huh I'm really confused about that part of sig's role, but I don't think it actually matters because none of the players next to him on either list are magic or bow users? (though I guess epi will be when he promotes, so it would matter if epi's bad)

[mention]sig[/mention] did you realize this? I don't think the "let the wyvern through" is relevant because you are not adjacent to a bow or magic user.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

wait unless healing counts as magic? it doesn't specifically say it does though when other descriptions do say e.g. "light magic user"

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:10 pm
You did it too?

Holy crap.

Do you honestly think Quin is incapable of looking productive when he is bad?

Weak.

No, I don't think that. I think that he is more likely to look more productive is he is civilian, and since I have seen less effort from him I think he is not exhibiting his usual civ meta and thus I suspect him.

Besides, after doing that exercise, I wouldn't even say that's the chief reason I suspect him right now. Read the last line of my post; that point is more concerning to me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:43 pm Jackofhearts2005 can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

The army list.

So then sig is only adjacent to lapluie, who is neither bow nor magical. Solved.

For someone who purports to value precision in language, Epi sure loves to extend things to extreme conclusions which were not in fact implied.

Kites wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:39 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:15 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:14 pm I don’t have strong reads on Dr White and Iron Dwarf so I’m gonna iso them, but first: a thought.

1. Kites is bad

Just for this pledge, I'll try to ISO Kites. Unfortunately I can't tonight, but time may be kinder tomorrow.

please do, it’s about time yall acknowledged my presence

Ok I just did for fun and you look fairly neutral/leaning civ. I especially like your thoughts on colonialbob. However I do have some questions regarding your stance on Dr. White. You (a) drafted his role, (b) listed him as one of your don picks, as one of two "random" non-rymers, and (c) placed him as a top town read in your rainbow. I don't think I saw any reason given for that town read. Can you elaborate on this and what do you think of the cases that have been raised against Dr. White?