The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:58 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:18 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:05 am RIP Civs, and great job vig again! Or alternate vig?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:39 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:31 pm [VOTE: jigglyjameeljafar] aubergine

he's most likely inh teammate fight me
Why?
Day 1, Jay built a case against INH and voted for him.
Jay calls INH out for his player salad, which included Jay
There are multiple other interactions of Jay quoting INH and calling him bad.
So I don't see it.
@nutella you going to respond? This JJJ vote of yours is spicy and fun, but could use some savoury goodness. Here's the opportunity to try out your new recipe.
Tbh it was mostly inspired by the "maaaayybe Jay" in INH's salad post, combined with INH's overall progression on Jay. For a while in his iso it looks like Jay is maybe his top suspect but he drops down to that "maaaayyybe" without much explanation.

So it's sort of a hunch stemming from that, I'm still sorting out whether I think that on the other side of the coin Jay would be likely to have gone after a teammate in the way he went after INH. I was looking for a past game example of Jay bussing, but his only scum game I could remember was the Phenon Origins sock game and that was a weird one where roles weren't revealed and I couldn't quite draw a comparison (also I don't even really remember how it went down, you were the sacrifice right? maybe you could help) so anyway the jury's still kinda out on that
I was the sacrifice? Sounds awful, I don't remember. I wouldn't peg Jay as the bussing type, but I don't know. I was bad with him in that Mafia game where we were letter-based call-signs (Bravo, Delta, etc) and I screwed up early and spectacularly as I usually do when bad, and let everyone down, and he stepped up and ran the show until he got us the baddie win. Good times.

That's the one.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:53 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pmOther folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.
Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.
Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.
I noticed that as well - your ideas sounded sure, and believable, though I haven't checked it out for myself in Luna's other games yet.

I'm happy to put a vote on [VOTE: INH] aubergine instead.

here we go -- for context in the several posts before this he builds a case on, highly suspects, and votes for Luna, but when Jay points out INH's salad he's all OOOOO SALAD and jumps on that here, seeming to back off of his Luna case too easily after my assertion that she wasn't matching her scum meta. I'm not wording this very well but I feel like scum LC could have built the case on town Luna and when that got resistance he backed off onto his teammate, even though Luna was still on the table to be lynched and INH wasn't really yet, and he either didn't want to look responsible for a town lynch or did want to look instrumental in a scum lynch. idk, maybe I'm stretching it but [mention]Long Con[/mention] I'm interested in your response. why did you back off of luna so easily, even with the disclaimer that you hadn't checked out her meta for yourself? why did you decide to vote INH suddenly after the salad was brought to your attention?

poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:09 am ...and I thought dealing with Luna in Outpost was quite something (￣▽￣)

Tbh nutella, you look very sus due to your reaction after DH questioning you and you kept changing your vote as if you're having panic attack because you're caught (with 1 saying you voted MacD but in the poll it's still on timmer which made me think you're not serious with your suspicion against him)+asking Juliet if she has a Hallow. But then you must be suicidal if you're scum and be so blatant asking Juliet about Hallow and next thing we know we get dead Juliet. Frame attempt because of your epic derping+scum attempt to get Hallow - could be. I'll reread again later to decide what you are <_<

I tend to change my mind a lot. It gets me in trouble often, but in some recent games when I've tried to pull back on it a little and be more stubborn in my views it has bitten me in the ass so I find it's better to keep an open mind and question all possible angles.

The lateness of my Mac vote was just an oversight on my part, I posted the vote tag and forgot to actually change my poll vote at the same time.

I certainly hope my faux pas with juliets didn't lead to her getting killed. In any case I believed that she really didn't have one because of how she responded/since she didn't even realize she was the last voter/would have gotten it, so joke's on scum if they were trying to get one. But I shouldn't have asked.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:29 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:11 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:53 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pmOther folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.
Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.
Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.
I noticed that as well - your ideas sounded sure, and believable, though I haven't checked it out for myself in Luna's other games yet.

I'm happy to put a vote on [VOTE: INH] aubergine instead.
here we go -- for context in the several posts before this he builds a case on, highly suspects, and votes for Luna, but when Jay points out INH's salad he's all OOOOO SALAD and jumps on that here, seeming to back off of his Luna case too easily after my assertion that she wasn't matching her scum meta. I'm not wording this very well but I feel like scum LC could have built the case on town Luna and when that got resistance he backed off onto his teammate, even though Luna was still on the table to be lynched and INH wasn't really yet, and he either didn't want to look responsible for a town lynch or did want to look instrumental in a scum lynch. idk, maybe I'm stretching it but @Long Con I'm interested in your response. why did you back off of luna so easily, even with the disclaimer that you hadn't checked out her meta for yourself? why did you decide to vote INH suddenly after the salad was brought to your attention?
I thought your defense of Luna sounded like something real, and deserved looking into. Your characterization of her "more cool and manipulative" baddie game didn't look like her game here. For INH, I'm a big believer in Player Salad as a tell, which you referenced elsewhere in your post. I didn't want to leave my vote on Luna, and JJJ's catch of Player Salad made for a good new place to put my vote. I didn't vote him as a bussing move, I voted him because he looked bad to me. I was surprised no one else chose to put a vote on him.

OK, fair response except you're still saying that my claims about Luna's meta "deserved looking into" except you never got around to looking into them, you just decided to trust me and back off of your Luna vote. It's certainly not a slam-dunk scumtell that you just took my word for it to change your mind, but it kinda felt like you were letting other people dictate your opinions and your previous scumread on Luna seemed quite strong for you to so quickly dismiss it.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:04 am i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so

I periodically remember that you are playing this game. You've been thoroughly forgettable and I'm not sure I could name more than one opinion you have had in this game, the one being suspicion of Mac (which I share). I wonder if I should be worried about that. I don't have much of a handle on your meta at all really. Luna's take resonated with me a bit, about expecting you to be more... abrasive. I know you can be abrasive as scum too (*cough*FE) and perhaps conversely you can be more chill as town. Also I agree with Sloonei that this very post is a good look.

The following players are ON NOTICE:

MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Glorfindel
karavalenge

You are ON NOTICE.

(meaning these players are most deserving of my scrutiny for the remainder of this day phase and my vote will almost certainly be within this pool)

now if you'll excuse me, I have some investigation I've been meaning to do regarding Jack.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:04 am i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so
I periodically remember that you are playing this game. You've been thoroughly forgettable and I'm not sure I could name more than one opinion you have had in this game, the one being suspicion of Mac (which I share). I wonder if I should be worried about that. I don't have much of a handle on your meta at all really. Luna's take resonated with me a bit, about expecting you to be more... abrasive. I know you can be abrasive as scum too (*cough*FE) and perhaps conversely you can be more chill as town. Also I agree with Sloonei that this very post is a good look.
i've felt as though you've been in my corner for most of this game though i have absolutely no idea why. you haven't explicitly said this, but joining me on the mac train even though my own reason was so lacklustre and then gth reading me as good makes me feel this way and this feeling is not great.

"in your corner"? all I know is that we both suspect mac, but for separate reasons. I didn't "join you on the mac train", I'm not sure which of us was first but my suspicion of him is completely independent from yours

outside research on jack proving largely inconclusive; gut research says he's bad

+sloonei's research also says jack's bad

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:19 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:13 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:09 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:54 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:04 am i don't deserve to be townread so i am suspicious of anyone who is doing so
I periodically remember that you are playing this game. You've been thoroughly forgettable and I'm not sure I could name more than one opinion you have had in this game, the one being suspicion of Mac (which I share). I wonder if I should be worried about that. I don't have much of a handle on your meta at all really. Luna's take resonated with me a bit, about expecting you to be more... abrasive. I know you can be abrasive as scum too (*cough*FE) and perhaps conversely you can be more chill as town. Also I agree with Sloonei that this very post is a good look.
i've felt as though you've been in my corner for most of this game though i have absolutely no idea why. you haven't explicitly said this, but joining me on the mac train even though my own reason was so lacklustre and then gth reading me as good makes me feel this way and this feeling is not great.
"in your corner"? all I know is that we both suspect mac, but for separate reasons. I didn't "join you on the mac train", I'm not sure which of us was first but my suspicion of him is completely independent from yours
i know it's for different reasons. but my reason sucked. did you know why i was on the train when you voted for him?

no, not really? why do you keep calling it a train

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:20 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:03 am
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The following players are ON NOTICE:

MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Glorfindel
karavalenge

You are ON NOTICE.

(meaning these players are most deserving of my scrutiny for the remainder of this day phase and my vote will almost certainly be within this pool)

now if you'll excuse me, I have some investigation I've been meaning to do regarding Jack.

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Hey I noticed that JACKOFHEARTS2005 is ON NOTICE and I am interested in hearing about why JACKOFHEARTS2005 is ON NOTICE because this aligns with a thing that I'm doing, thank you.

There is literally no argument to be made for Jack being a civilian
He has some sketchy interactions with inh
He's all around a pretty sketchy dude

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:22 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:17 am outside research on jack proving largely inconclusive; gut research says he's bad
I'd give reading the thread a 2/10. Has its purposes but overall it's for nerds.

by "outside research" I meant looking at a different game, not this one. I decided that was fruitless and I should trust my feelings about him based on this game in isolation.

but also I'm all for reading the thread, but that's probably because I'm a nerd

alright, let's make this one o' dem two-car trains quin's been going on about

[VOTE: jackofhearts2005] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:55 am
Things nutella said to/about INH:

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nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:01 pm Also inh totally should have been slytherin lol

Why?

jokey comment about his personality, not game content

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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:33 pm Someone tell me why INH is a civilian.
Who?

Fart.

iirc you replied to this with something like "exactly" so I kinda thought we were on the same page there

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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:44 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:28 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.
Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 pm I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine
Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?
The owner thing, the yun qui thing that made no sense because we were town, and the strange kill choice thing
Made up because they're not real tells
Nonsense because you don't have any real basis for believing they are mafia tells

Best bet because he looks bad for multiple reasons
Pretty sure because he looks like a potential Nova teammate, his vote and all of his posts have been extremely sketchy, and he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay
So far meaning the case on him is stronger than anything else I've seen, but I intend to look more closely into timmer, juliets, Mac, Jay, soneji to name a few.
Which Owner thing?
Yun Qui Tell = Prioritizing game mechanics (House Cup/Ship Crew) over baddie hunting. TH used the Yun Qui's trust of him to prevent his lynch and nobody in the Yun Qui wanted to lynch him or mutiny despite me multiple times calling him out. Luna has prioritized House Cup Mechanics at least twice in this game, something DDL worried about happening.
"Odd Choice" Tell - Literally just quoted an example of TH using the phrase when he was bad.
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Which reasons do you suspect Bullz is bad for?
"His vote looks sketchy" and "his posts look sketchy" "he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay" = These are good reasons and I like them an thank you for sharing them
OK Glad to see you're not just focusing on the easy wagon, hope to see you explain and expand more on JC, Timmer, Mac, Jay and Soneji and not just have you toss these names out and forget the follow through.
I'll try to get to at least some of them later but I'm at work so don't expect a lot. Also inh should be on that list, I forgot about him again because he's been forgettable this game.

nutella felt the need to add this. It's a bit awkward.

not awkward, I actually forgot and then remembered inh existed and I wanted to look into him

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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm Okay, inh is town

FART. INH had just responded with a pile of dramatic caps lock to my grievances, and nutella jumped to this post-haste. She has made a career in recent memory with these abrupt reads, so it's not a problem of meta -- it's a problem of belief. nutella, please explain in more detail why you were sold by INH in this moment. I find it dubious.

his tone in this post really sold me. not sure I can explain it much beyond that, he just sounded genuine. I think at least part of it is his criticism of you.

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nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:29 pm I’m torn on INH. The tone of his defenses is decent, but the content is meh.
You're the GTH man. Take a side.

Decent enough prod. I am the target of pressure though rather than INH, so the value is limited.

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nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:07 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:53 pm
insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pmOther folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.
Prototypical player salad. Y'all want a definition? This is the definition, or at least of the manner of salad that has most frequently caught bad guys in my experience. Put it in the encyclopedia.

"I would be willing to lynch X, Y, Z, or maaaaaaybe W" is literally how I have described player salad in the past.
Reeaal. Also he ignored my (+your) testimony that Luna's behavior is not indicative of a mafia alignment.

nutella seemed enthusiastic in her reception of my salad attack on INH.

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nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 4:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:57 pm Who buys INH as a civilian?
I am still undecided, was leaning civ on him but I liked your salad call-out (but again that's kinda why I asked about civs salading because I don't think it's a slam dunk)

In which nutella earns her third fart of the review. There are two "but" caveats. I might even give this one a shart. It's not great.

well fart/shart back to you buddy because "but" is one of those words that I use way too much and you can take that the atm and cash it in

I can see why my INH interactions don't look the greatest, but really I just became weirdly convinced of his townieness based on tone and was wrong. And you can't possibly believe all of your "farts" on me -- they seem exaggerated almost as if you went into this interactive read with a bias toward scumreading me, but as far as I have been able to tell you had been townreading me up until this. Balance and reconcile.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:55 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:31 pm [VOTE: jigglyjameeljafar] aubergine

he's most likely inh teammate fight me
Also this looks fake.

oh and this. it wasn't fake. I don't necessarily still believe it as strongly as I did at the beginning of the phase/before I investigated a little more, but it was a real hunch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:58 am Who looks worse in relation to INH: luna or nutella? It seems like they're unlikely to both be partnered with INH, unless they went all in on a bussing triangle.

I don't understand your logic here but in case it helps clear anything up for you, I never voted for either INH or luna

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:59 am on lunalee:

when i responded to mac's fake cop check she said she was going to "check the quindar" which i'm going to hope didn't mean "ask speedchuck" because he is dead and that would be against the rules but the main point here is i don't think i ever found out what the quindar said okay cool

she definitely expanded on that, she had like two more posts about what she sees as your town meta/that she wasn't seeing it in this game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:07 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:05 am I like nutella here and now, but I'm approaching Day 3 as if it's Day 1. Days 1 & 2 are a blind spot to me.
I've had her as one of my bigger civilian reads for much of the game, so now there's a clash of face-value appearance and interactive data. I feel pretty comfortable turning on her though, because the meta on which she thrives is not one which demands much challenge in mimicry. Change your mind a lot and be curt in your reads.

I have the 3rd highest post count. you of all people should realize that I would not be capable of that as scum. and no, I'm not dunya-ing you. I've posted with a degree of carefree abandon that I can't imagine approaching if I were bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:16 am I was curious because maybe part of why I'm picking up good vibes from nutella is simply that she's voting alongside me, so I went back to trace her Jack case prior to this very moment and... well, it doesn't exist.

What does exist is this list of GTH reads:
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:03 am GTH babey

ColinIsCool - town
DharmaHelper - town
insertnamehere - town
JaggedJimmyJay - town
Kylemii - scum
Bullzeye - town
Epignosis - town
Glorfindel - town
Owner of a Lonely Heart - town
poutanko - town
Soneji - scum
juliets - scum
Long Con - town
Lunalee - scum
MacDougall - scum
Quin - town
Jackofhearts2005 - town
karavalenge - scum
lapluie - town
timmer - town
Scum reads in red.

Compare that to her more recent ON NOTICE list:
MacDougall
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts2005
Long Con
Glorfindel
karavalenge
Mac and kara are the only consistencies. Three of her initial scum reads are dead and one of her town reads has flipped town, so a little re-shuffling is bound to be in order. I don't fault nutella for that. I am curious as to how these are the names that came out of that shuffling though. I already asked her about Jack and her answer satisfied me in the moment but now that I've got my scrutiny specs on I'm gonna want more. What prompted the initial town read and why has that changed?

Jack's jokey/gimmicky style had me figuring he was town for the first couple phases, but as time went on I started to notice that he hadn't really been contributing real content alongside the jokes, and so I decided I have no legitimate basis on which to townread him and that he could be coasting on the flow of the thread.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:19 am
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm
The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.
@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?
Looking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.
I don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.
Why not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.
i'm with dharmahelper. this feels so forced.

I don't care. I have no stake in that discussion, it was purely semantic and has nothing to do with anyone's alignment.

Oh the clock did the thing PSA for my fellow murricans to update DST settings to ensure that post and poll timestamps display correctly

idk if I have it in me to do the remaining Jay/INH interactive read, it is way past sleepy time but I might take a pass at it tomorrow; perhaps more salient imo though is his performance of his signature interactive read exercise itself. I'm not entirely convinced that his conclusions are completely honest and natural. and I'm not just saying that because he ended up suspecting me more than I would like, but I also found several of his other conclusions to be rather wimpy. specifically, in my experience he usually calls out the people who have little to no interaction with the confirmed scum because he sees non-interaction/avoidance as w/w behavior, but here he left most of those as truly neutral conclusions instead of bad-leaning ones, and only gave out a few actual bad-leaning conclusions about people with substantial amounts of interactive content. it sounds like he is treating the people with nonexistent inh interactions as having a blank slate, when really they should have the absence of interaction count as a strike against them. I have a feeling that a scum jay could be using his signature interactive read exercise to manipulate the focus onto the wrong people, because he isn't giving the types of analyses that I would expect.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:33 am
Considering how vague Nutella’s suspicions on me are and how her case on Jay is just “fight me,” this rainbow and her current suspicions look made up.

I don't make shit up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 5:43 am idk if I have it in me to do the remaining Jay/INH interactive read, it is way past sleepy time but I might take a pass at it tomorrow; perhaps more salient imo though is his performance of his signature interactive read exercise itself. I'm not entirely convinced that his conclusions are completely honest and natural. and I'm not just saying that because he ended up suspecting me more than I would like, but I also found several of his other conclusions to be rather wimpy. specifically, in my experience he usually calls out the people who have little to no interaction with the confirmed scum because he sees non-interaction/avoidance as w/w behavior, but here he left most of those as truly neutral conclusions instead of bad-leaning ones, and only gave out a few actual bad-leaning conclusions about people with substantial amounts of interactive content. it sounds like he is treating the people with nonexistent inh interactions as having a blank slate, when really they should have the absence of interaction count as a strike against them. I have a feeling that a scum jay could be using his signature interactive read exercise to manipulate the focus onto the wrong people, because he isn't giving the types of analyses that I would expect.
You're right that in the past I have cited a lack of interactions with mafia members as being a bad indicator. My analytic methods are fluid though, in that they adapt over time as I develop my impressions about which assertions and intuitions of mine are actually productive. I'm not sure I have had better-than-random success with the specific accusation that X didn't interact very much with mafioso Y. It can still be a problem under circumstances which make that lack of interaction stand out, but in a vacuum -- it's only barely meaningful. In this case, we are speaking of INH, a player with a low post count who seemed generally ignored until late in Day 2. Even after I raised my initial gripes against him it took two pages for anyone to give a crap. There wasn't a whole lot to say about him, and his own content was restricted to addressing a small set of players.

Are there any players in particular that you believe should be given a harsher look as a result of their lacking interactivity with INH?

ok, I don't think this response changes my funny feeling that you may have faked or half-assed some of it but it's a fair point that interactions were fairly low anyway. to answer your question, I'd say Glorfindel, poutanko, Quin, and maybe Colin though you did end up orange-ing him. But conversely I think you gave a little too much weight to people with more interactive content, such as Luna and myself. I personally think that Luna is highly unlikely to be INH's teammate, and I know that I'm not, so you're either inadvertently reading too much into what content does exist to paint it as a potential teammate relationship, or you are maliciously doing so.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:43 pm nutella, I believe you raised the first accusation of player salad in this game (against Owner I think?). When I went after INH for his prototype salad, you were clearly not comfortable following the lead. This stands out especially because that sort of hesitation doesn't really seem to exist often or at all elsewhere in your post history. Why did INH deserve that?

a) I pointed out Owner's "salad" but never pursued it as a reason to suspect her as I was largely townreading her.
b) What kind of hesitation do you mean that doesn't exist in my post history?
c) I was townreading INH at the time and wasn't about to 180 on him solely based on salad, just as I didn't with Owner.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:46 pm to answer your question, I'd say Glorfindel, poutanko, Quin, and maybe Colin

Can I help you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:46 pm ok, I don't think this response changes my funny feeling that you may have faked or half-assed some of it but it's a fair point that interactions were fairly low anyway. to answer your question, I'd say Glorfindel, poutanko, Quin, and maybe Colin though you did end up orange-ing him. But conversely I think you gave a little too much weight to people with more interactive content, such as Luna and myself. I personally think that Luna is highly unlikely to be INH's teammate, and I know that I'm not, so you're either inadvertently reading too much into what content does exist to paint it as a potential teammate relationship, or you are maliciously doing so.
What about their interaction leads you to this conclusion?

Scum Luna would have gone to more of an effort to get INH lynched.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:06 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:46 pm to answer your question, I'd say Glorfindel, poutanko, Quin, and maybe Colin

Can I help you?
Maybe later, when I get home. Salad though.

Decidedly not salad. It's a set of people who fit certain criteria in order to answer the question I was asked. But sure, just go around calling anything you want a salad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 3:55 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:43 pm nutella, I believe you raised the first accusation of player salad in this game (against Owner I think?). When I went after INH for his prototype salad, you were clearly not comfortable following the lead. This stands out especially because that sort of hesitation doesn't really seem to exist often or at all elsewhere in your post history. Why did INH deserve that?
a) I pointed out Owner's "salad" but never pursued it as a reason to suspect her as I was largely townreading her.
b) What kind of hesitation do you mean that doesn't exist in my post history?
c) I was townreading INH at the time and wasn't about to 180 on him solely based on salad, just as I didn't with Owner.
c) is an answer of sorts to b). These days you aren't one to show that kind of restraint. You flip 180 on people in a heartbeat, which is to your credit -- many players can't do it at all, let alone on a dime. In this case though you were timid, and it's a poop look when the target was exactly what I said he was.

I think you give me too much credit, or maybe it looks like I flip 180 more than I feel like I do because of how those thought processes work internally. In any case I think that if I were INH's teammate I would have been more likely to turn on him there.

Hi [mention]sprityo[/mention] do you have any thoughts yet

btw I just skimmed through Jack's ISO and I don't think I could name a single stance he took during all of Day 1

he posts much more on day 2 but most of it is still relatively passive/observation rather than engaging with anyone past surface level. feels like he's afraid to get his hands dirty

LC, seriously? Already debunked. Chill.

Sloonei is as always a voice of reason.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:38 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:35 pm MacDougall

Spoiler: show
is mafia. Discuss.

He's too quiet to be mafia. He should be bullying someone into being lynched and then shrugging when they're town. Or if someone else gets lynched, complaining about it.

Right? That's what I remember from the only time I've played with scumMac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:18 pm Nutella and Mac should fight.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can you explain these two posts regarding macdougall/what is your stance on him currently

when did mac vote for speed?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 6:44 pm nutella called it "debunked" though which is a bullshit word to use

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:20 pm Did I hear someone say Long Con as Mafia is debunked?

No but do you have reason to believe so?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:21 pm Changing my vote to Colin. He bad.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:15 pm We have three replacements. Everyone tell me about them.

Sloonei is town. Sprityo and speed2.0 haven't done anything yet. I have a reason to think that speed2.0's player slot is town. I don't have any reason to think sprityo is town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:15 pm We have three replacements. Everyone tell me about them.
Sloonei is town. Sprityo and speed2.0 haven't done anything yet. I have a reason to think that speed2.0's player slot is town. I don't have any reason to think sprityo is town.
Sloonei townslipped. Sprityo has said nothing. Speed 2.0 has suspicion of Glorf and nutella, which I think is pretty healthy. I see from his ISO that he is the one who already called out nutella's Player Salad post, and that puts him a little in the green, salad pun intended.
Sloonei townslipped eh? I missed that.

Like five separate times

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:51 pm Don't lynch me. I am town. It would be silly.

Lol yeah this is not a town mac. [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:55 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:51 pm Don't lynch me. I am town. It would be silly.
Lol yeah this is not a town mac. [VOTE: macdougall] aubergine
Yes it is you arrogant twerp

Jesus every single post on this page looks suspicious as fuck. Good on y'all for getting me to stop townreading everyone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:43 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:41 pm Jesus every single post on this page looks suspicious as fuck. Good on y'all for getting me to stop townreading everyone.
It's mostly just me who you were already scum reading so I dunno what you expected.

It's everyone else too though. But I agree with Quin about Colin, and with you and Jay that Colin's non-interaction with inh is a bad look. LC's skeptical theory about Colin raised my eyebrow but my suspicion of Colin is stronger than my doubt by the end of the page. [VOTE: colin] aubergine

Fwiw, I count at least one other thing Sloonei said as a "townslip" unrelated to his not realizing INH was dead. Doesn't matter though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:10 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:41 pm Jesus every single post on this page looks suspicious as fuck. Good on y'all for getting me to stop townreading everyone.
Every time I think "actually, she's probably town" you just come in brazenly and say something that is so bogus I can't see it as genuine. This has happened like five times since the beginning of the thread.

How is it bogus? Did you read that page? I was pinged by so many different things there. Making dinner rn but I can compile a list in a bit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:12 pm nutella, do you have any degree of suspicion of timmer?

Yes. The main factor that had been giving me pause in suspecting him was his thingy about Bullzeye the other day, but with how further discussion of that played out I suppose it's not a real reason to think he is town, and he looks pretty bad otherwise.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:12 pm nutella, do you have any degree of suspicion of timmer?
Yes. The main factor that had been giving me pause in suspecting him was his thingy about Bullzeye the other day, but with how further discussion of that played out I suppose it's not a real reason to think he is town, and he looks pretty bad otherwise.
I don't understand anything about Bullzeye. What can you tell me?

Nobody has disputed the suggestion that he vigged Nova.

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