The Syndicate

Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Shit I actually gotta think about this

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:53 pm Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Shit I actually gotta think about this

Think about what?

You seem pretty convinced about Michelle. I have to at least consider that.

That case is, like, okay. You could easily have fabricated it as an attempt to steer focus off you/look like you're really hunting, or it could be real and you could even be right. It's hard to say. I still feel worse about you than Michelle all things considered but I could be wrong and I'm really trying to see all the possible angles here, even considering potential role mechanics and stuff that we can't overtly point to.

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 6:37 pm I don't know. I believe Drago on top of the NK tbh. It was either to implicate Drago or it was just a random kill. I don't think he's pulling the wool over my eyes and his eod behavior sounded genuine but eh.

He's wrong about me being the last cat though so if you want to build a case on me, do so so I can dispute it and put it to rest. We need to look at everyone if we are wrong.

I disagree with your nk analysis. I don't get how you're interpreting it. And you can always apply the wifom/that's-what-he-wants-you-to-think consideration. I mean, consider yesterday. He was trying to emphasize that he suspected LC, but there was never going to be a wagon there so he gave up. Do you think it's possible that he deliberately did that to plant the seed for us to think he wanted to lynch LC but then NKed him to throw us off since we'd think he'd want LC around as a mislynch target. Or that he saw there wasn't enough interest in lynching LC (tbf if LC was still around today he'd be in my poe, but whatever) so he knew he'd need to pivot to another mislynch target, so went ahead and killed LC figuring we wouldn't really know what to make of that. Idk, this is the problem with nk analysis. Too much wifom/potential for it to mean anything or nothing.

That's exactly the problem lol

I don't want to read too much into the LC kill bc I think that's what you want me to do so you can call me on it lolol

Anyway. If I had to vote between Michelle and Fayt I think it would still be Fayt.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

I'm sniffing what you're pooping down.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:08 pm Okay so I really like that I can see genuine thought behind Fayt's posts. I know Jay was pretty adamant it was her but he's also a fart face so who cares. Nutella seems kinda gamesolvey but I can never clear her because her range is so massive. Likewise Nova. If we lynch wrong today well, it's probably because it's one of them.

If someone can provide a bit of an objective cliffnotes version of why Dragomir is bad that'd be good because he tone reads town to me. If there is something empirical that says otherwise then I'd acquiesce this weak ass read though.

I'll see if an ISO of Michelle leaves me feeling anything about her.

Well for me his behavior in the Jay lynch just felt so calculated in a weird way and especially note that he was really adamant about the vig plan and then there was no vig kill and the cat has a block. Like of course that could have been fayt too but drago just seemed so keen on it and the way he changed his mind from lynch fayt to lynch jay just really seems to me like he was trying to keep fayt around as a buffer.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:13 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 7:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

See how at pains he is to answer this question meticulously. Townie Nova would probably have just been short here.

I'm sniffing what you're pooping down.

So my literal only concern towards you is that you have been pretty much 100% buddying me the entire game. What gives?

The mindmelds bro. Basically since champs we are attached at the hip as civilians tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 8:36 pm Drago is always town here. Michelle is ALWAYS town here. Mac, Epi, or Nova could theoretically be pulling the wool over my eyes but I've mindmelded with them too many times to not want to think about that unless I have no other choice. It's within LC, Fayt, Jay, and Dom. Fayt is the only overlap I have with Jay's list so that's the most logical option I suppose, but my gut is weakest there and if Jay is scum then, well.

Do you still feel this way towards Drago and Michelle because since they're both alive it now reads like TMI.

I don't, lol. Those were strong tone reads at the time but I have been forced to reconsider and drago's behavior (see my above post) in recent phases has prompted a 180 on him and michelle is certainly on the table.

I've just literally agreed with almost everything you've said this game. That's just how it goes sometimes man. Great minds and all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 pm So if that's the case is anyone aside from me not on the table?

Not really. Nova would be closest but I definitely even have concerns about him, like you said it's like he's too clean.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:29 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:27 pm I've just literally agreed with almost everything you've said this game. That's just how it goes sometimes man. Great minds and all.

Except for the parts where I suspected you, which you mostly just didn't address. Which is not in your town meta. Your town meta is usually to exhibit some frustration when people are misreading you, not remain calm and pragmatic, which is literally your scum meta lol.

I tend to ignore a small amount of suspicion. It's if it starts to look like I might actually be in the running that I get really frustrated. I'm happy to have an nk-survivability-optimized amount of scrutiny.


But really take another look at the posts about speed and rej you quoted. Would I ever treat teammates like that lol. No. Those are my honest progressions.

Thought we were doing gth?

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:38 pm When I get back on my pc, I'll take a look but off of speedchuck's death/flip, that was my initial thought.

not sure what you mean by this?

oh nvm i gotcha

but you saying that doesn't make me feel better about you lol

we all wish we could prove it but only mac gets that privilege

I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.

Mac you have gone silent.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:50 pm I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.

Why would Fayt produce an unprovoked fake town read on you in this scenario while a mod cleared civ is shading you if she was the last Mafia?

Also what data?

The fact that she didn't die on night three.

I mean plus all the other stuff lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 8:50 pm I think Jay is probably screaming at me from across the rainbow bridge. I can't ignore the data.

[VOTE: fayt] aubergine

Either way, you are clearly an incredibly skilled player and I'm glad to have you on the site.

Why would Fayt produce an unprovoked fake town read on you in this scenario while a mod cleared civ is shading you if she was the last Mafia?

To try to get in my good graces? Idk. Maybe it is weird that she said that.

Convince me on Michelle?

See the thing is I think it's either Fayt or Drago who prevented Fayt from being killed. Do you see michelle doing that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:15 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:09 pm See the thing is I think it's either Fayt or Drago who prevented Fayt from being killed. Do you see michelle doing that?

I missed this whole thing. Eli5.

The consensus plan was for the vig to kill fayt after Jay's flip (or to vig whichever if them wasn't lynched if the game didn't end). There was no vig kill. The cat has a block.

The vig is still alive.

Double targeting is allowed.

Put it together Sherlock.

I can't explain the kill choices, but the vig isn't much of a threat to them if they have a perpetual repeatable roleblock.

Doctor died a while ago

And yeah I think they guessed. They did at least have the speed kill to go off of.

Also they literally had a role cop in speed's role lol. That could also explain it.

What whole thing about michelle?

Okay now I'm back to thinking it's Drago.

... Yeah. He was overt in orchestrating the vig plan bc he knew he could prevent it and keep fayt around

[VOTE: Drago] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 pm Why would the cat roleblock a vig that was going to kill Fayt, if Fayt is not a cat?

I know I've not been paying super close attention but we've lynched three people since this revelation and none have been Fayt. So surely I am missing some reason as to why?

Man I've been over this several times already. To buy himself another day, keep a likely mislynch target around.

And yeah lynching fayt may be the logical choice. I just feel like Drago could have done that but maybe I'm overthinking it and falling for fayt's innocence mask.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 am I have an idea. Let's lynch Fayt, if he's not the last mafia. Vig shoots Jay next night.

Plan is his idea.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:23 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 am I have an idea. Let's lynch Fayt, if he's not the last mafia. Vig shoots Jay next night.

@nutella what do you think about this?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:00 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:27 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:23 am

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:27 am I have an idea. Let's lynch Fayt, if he's not the last mafia. Vig shoots Jay next night.

@nutella what do you think about this?

Fine with it, also fine with the other way around.

Bet, vote for Fayt.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:38 pm Lynch Fayt. Vig Jay if Fayt town. Come on guys.

Continuing to draw attention to make sure it is seen and agreed up on as consensus.

I am torn pretty much 50/50 here. I do think it obviously makes sense that Fayt would have done it and is now trying to play suck-up to me in humoring my theory and trying to direct it off of her by buying into it. I also think it makes sense that Drago wanted to prolong the game by eliminating a vig kill and implicating Fayt.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:59 pm Why would the cat roleblock a vig that was going to kill Fayt, if Fayt is not a cat?

Also lol why is this even a question. Mafia always want to prevent vig kills even if they are on civs because that narrows the numbers and narrows the suspect pool.

I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Mac we're usually on similar wavelengths why does it feel like I'm talking to a brick wall now. You're not getting it.

No, that's not a slip. Come on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Only by you.

Okay. So?

Because it's not. Jesus. Think about this for a few seconds. Read my posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Only by you.

Okay. So?

The vigilante themselves never agreed to the plan unless the vigilante is you.

I mean obviously not everybody made some clear overt statement that they understood the plan. That would be silly. But it was there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm Nutella, I just checked. You referred to them as "the vig" all game. Michelle referred to them as he. It's a total slip.

No.

Think about it and then reread the posts from drago I quoted about the plan.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:20 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:19 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 10:16 pm I am pretty sure it was clearly stated at one point that the plan was just to kill whichever of the two wasn't lynched.

Only by you.

Okay. So?

The vigilante themselves never agreed to the plan unless the vigilante is you.

I mean obviously not everybody made some clear overt statement that they understood the plan. That would be silly. But it was there.

I do not think that it is reasonable to assume that the vigilante, or the mafia, or anyone would have known of, and in addition to that, automatically agreed with, a plan to shoot Fayt.

Firstly, I didn't know if it.

Secondly, what if Fayt is the vig?

Thirdly, what if the vig thought Fayt was a civ?

The point is this entire line of thinking Fayt is suspicious because they are alive is irrational. Fayt is alive specifically BECAUSE she is suspicious imo.

To be honest those ideas didn't occur to me. I wonder why.

I don't think I'm breaking any rules. If I have then I sincerely apologize to ddl and accept a modkill. My cases are based on public information.