The Syndicate

lapluie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 10:24 pm Well I know who im voting for

care to explain?

or perhaps you are not allowed to.

Nothing rabbit says is worth taking seriously. Especially if he's unfamiliar with Jay as a player.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:24 am No kill



Nutella is bad.

'Splain pls bb

I think Ermac is suggesting that the actual mechanic by which there was no death was something that you didn't mention. I haven't looked at the roles closely enough to know whether you missed anything, but it could be something that's not public and perhaps Ermac is suggesting you know something?

Wait Ermac is a role. I feel dumb.

Ermac, you keep saying "we." Are you one person, or more? Are you the person with the role Ermac, or someone else somehow affected by that role?

that sounds... plausible. Looks like this day is going to be a puzzle.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:03 pm I should do nutella next but I keep getting side tracked by other ppl. And we have 48 hours so I'm taking advantage of that and doing whatever comes to me.

Yet your vote is on me, and you haven't explained why you find me suspicious. Except that you claim to see some parallel to my play in Search For Quin but have not elaborated on the similarity so I don't know what you're seeing.

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:14 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:11 pm hi sig, i'm glad you're back. we missed you. i missed you. remember the last 2 games we played in together and everyone scum read you and I defended you till my dying breath? yeah, I miss those days.

can you tell us if dead players are allowed to vote and if their voting is counted? do you and sloonei and macdouall have btsc?

Girl you killed him

Lap's getting sassy up in here

I thiiiink I'm still seeing town dunya but she's barking up all kinds of wrong trees.

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:30 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:14 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 5:11 pm hi sig, i'm glad you're back. we missed you. i missed you. remember the last 2 games we played in together and everyone scum read you and I defended you till my dying breath? yeah, I miss those days.

can you tell us if dead players are allowed to vote and if their voting is counted? do you and sloonei and macdouall have btsc?

Girl you killed him

Lap's getting sassy up in here

I thiiiink I'm still seeing town dunya but she's barking up all kinds of wrong trees.

Who do you think is bad?

I just went through your posts and remembered why I thought you looked bad.

Wishy washy as fuck, no committal just blah.

I'm always wishy washy. That's my town meta and you should know it if you remember anything about whenever the last time you played with me was. I have been trying to be more committal recently, and I did stick to my suspicions of TSP, LC, and Speed on day 1 though I have lost some confidence in those suspicions now and am not really sure where I want to look next yet.

I don't think nova or simon look good but they are also pretty easy lynch targets. Made has disappeared off the face of the earth so I'd like to hear from him. Marmot is sketchy but I can't put my finger on why. I'm wishy-washy on Quin. I still don't feel super great about Speedchuck or LC but slightly better about Tony after d2.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:21 pm

lapluie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:21 pm @dunya if nutella gets lynched tomorrow & is town, what should we do with you?

Why are you lynching nutella?

Why are you ignoring her question? She said "if" I got lynched, not that she's lynching me. She's voting for you. Answer the hypothetical.

[mention]rabbit8[/mention] it's been almost 2 years since I graduated haha

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:39 pm I want to know why nutella is so flustered with 1 vote on her, by me, someone she admittedly town reads.

?? where was I flustered

my question is why dunya got so flustered when I just asked her to answer someone's question instead of sidestepping it. I don't even agree with lapluie or know what she wanted to get from that question, but I felt the need to call dunya out for deliberately and flippantly misinterpreting it.

linki: what? I've been responding to rabbit as well and talking about my own suspicions. You're the one who thinks I'm only talking about you

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:50 pm my question is why dunya got so flustered when I just asked her to answer someone's question instead of sidestepping it. I don't even agree with lapluie or know what she wanted to get from that question, but I felt the need to call dunya out for deliberately and flippantly misinterpreting it.

linki: what? I've been responding to rabbit as well and talking about my own suspicions. You're the one who thinks I'm only talking about you

How did I misinterpret it? I didn't misinterpret it. I think I know what a hypothetical situation is. How do you know my motives for questioning lap without answering her? Why were you so eager for the answer on a nowhere question?

Instead of answering her question you shot back with a nonsensical question based on a false premise. Why?

Fine. You still haven't made an actual case on me. It's like you waited for me to defend against nothing so you could call me suspicious for asking why you suspect me. You're full of shit.

I guess I'll go back to hunting scum though. I'll work on an updated rainbow.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:53 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:52 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 6:50 pm my question is why dunya got so flustered when I just asked her to answer someone's question instead of sidestepping it. I don't even agree with lapluie or know what she wanted to get from that question, but I felt the need to call dunya out for deliberately and flippantly misinterpreting it.

linki: what? I've been responding to rabbit as well and talking about my own suspicions. You're the one who thinks I'm only talking about you

How did I misinterpret it? I didn't misinterpret it. I think I know what a hypothetical situation is. How do you know my motives for questioning lap without answering her? Why were you so eager for the answer on a nowhere question?

Instead of answering her question you shot back with a nonsensical question based on a false premise. Why?

lmao.

I'll leave the hypocrisy in the statement and question to speak for themselves.

OK, you could argue that my post here is hypocritical in that I shoot a question back at you instead of directly answering your prods, but the highlighted portion is not true in my case.

Glorfindel
lapluie
JaggedJimmyJay
rabbit8
Kylemii
Jackofhearts2005
Dom
dunya
Dave
Elohcin
Quin
Long Con
TonyStarkPrime
speedchuck
novaselinenever
Made
Simon
Marmot
DrWilgy

Ugh. This all feels more arbitrary than my D1 rainbow.

speedchuck -- just a few choice selections because I don't have the patience to read his whole iso

Right after the mac lynch:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:07 pm Huh.

I blame JJJ for this.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 10:18 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:15 pm Bleeeeeeeh. @Mac lynch.

I'm definitely not sure how I feel about this post.

Some odd mixture of TMI, guessing your motive, wondering why you thought Kyle would be better, and being annoyed that you didn't make a stronger case on Kyle if you really wanted that lynch.

I think Mac was good and Kyle is bad. Also, lack of flip sucks. There's nothing else to it.

Ultimately, why did you vote for Mac?

The only good feels I have from Mac came from his hard-nosed style. Then I was told that he was like that as both alignments, so I went back to bleh on him.

Worse than Kylemii. Kyle's tone reads as town, though I'm still not seeing the civvie spark from him that I usually do. He 'shines' more in late game anyway, so I'm willing to give him more time.

I moved my vote from Wilgy to Mac so that I could commit, make a statement. I wanted my vote on the record, to weigh in on the choice even though my vote wasn't needed. Seems like a good thing to do, make my vote worth something on the record.

Ohh I don't like this. Especially those last couple sentences justifying his vote. I don't like it at all.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:30 pm Rainbow of the remains

speedchuck
Glorfindel
Quin
lapluie
novaselinenever
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Kylemii
Rabbit8
Dom
Elohcin
Simon
Dave
Marmot
Made
Long Con
Simon
nutella
dunya
TonyStarkPrime
DrWilgy

linki: Because Epi submitted Kansas to the Syndicate Album of the Week last week, and I revealed that I am a huge Kansas fan. They are in my top 5 bands ever.

Uhh has anyone pointed out that Simon is on this list in two different places?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:34 pm The Sig lynch was bad.
Dunya is bad for starting it.

1. Sig is always wishy-washy
2. Waffley behavior is a textbook EZ suspicion to put on mislynches, when it can really go both ways. Town can be genuinely uncertain as easily as mafia can be nervous
3. Sig couldn't defend easily, and this is a mostly brand-new suspicion. That's the reason I'd rather have gone with a D1 case. Now we're back to square one.
4. Sig's lynch gained momentum too easily. If half the scumteam wasn't on it, I will eat a Kansas CD.

Dunya replaced in, and her first action was to go through the thread, pick the easiest mislynch possible, and drive it home while Sig couldn't defend himself and no better cases could be made. Screw that.

This is phony af. Speed played Mountains. I don't believe that he believes dunya is bad for making the sig case.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]sig[/mention] [mention]Sloonei[/mention] I don't believe any of you have answered the question of whether your votes actually count today. Maybe you don't know or aren't allowed to tell us?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 9:07 pm
And for the record, if I stayed on Wilgy, and said that I had done so because I didn't want my vote on the lynch, people could have gotten onto me for that even more. "You didn't want your vote in the pile of mislynch analysis!" No.

k vizzini

wait what do you mean "at least ermac"? what does ermac have to do with your speedchuck read?


I think speed's response sounds decently genuine apart from the glaringly wifomy bits. My problem with him is he always sounds genuine, and I think he's been bad or indie in most games I've played with him, so I don't have a great handle on differentiating his style across alignments at all.

Jay I have to say I strongly disagree with the assertion that Marmot did the least to communicate effectively with his curse. Wilgy did practically zero with his, as did Simon and Elohcin (not that any of these players have actually said anything outside of the chaos day either). I felt that Marmot actually used some of his quotes to express opinions and sentiments relevant to the discussion.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 3:26 pm @Sloonei @sig @MacDougall

I assume you guys will be able to use your night actions tonight too? Correct? Since we're in this realm tonight until Day 4. I wonder how the mod will handle that. Have any of you asked? We get results for night actions after end of night so I wonder what happens.

wait why are you assuming that? I was under the impression that the realm effect only lasted for the Day. The D2 curses ended after the lynch.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 4:18 pm 6 hours left in the day. Frustrating amount of vote spread, little engagement with the voters. Nobody is getting in there and trying to decide who to vote. Everyone just decided, argued their case when questioned, and then sat there.

Start campaigning, darnit!

I know I'm not much better, but I'm being suspected in two games right now, and I don't know which to give priority.

if @lapluie doesn't come in and clear the misconception, then she's bad and my vote stays on her.

I could get behind simon for reasons previously discussed by me to Jay (he hasn't posted anything new since so no further additions needed on his case)
or nutella because her game play reminds me of The Search For Quin. Ping ping ping. Also her overreaction of having 1 vote on her and all of yesterday's interactions.

You still haven't explained why my play reminds you of SFQ. You just said that, then when I asked about it you claimed I was overreacting. I don't think I ever overreacted. What made you suspect me before yesterday's interactions, and why did yesterday's interactions increase that suspicion?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:22 pm after what happened with sig, I don't feel like making my nutella case till Night 3 if that's ok with everyone. I promise I will Night 3.

Afraid of mislynching again I see.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:29 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 5:25 pm from the options, I had Marmot and Simon both down as scum reads. I don't feel good about Marmot's self-vote at all though. Like, it makes me question his scumminess.

Give me a town motivation for a self-vote

Based on personal experience, people who self-vote are far behind townies who don't want to impact the thread.

I've seen one case of a scum DrWilgy self vote, on this site, and RadicalFuzz in the vocaroo, and that's it. But Radical did it out of frustration, no one frustrated Marmot to self-vote. So what's the scum motivation for it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:04 pm IDK about Quinn though....

Look at what quin is doing. No attempt to solve the mafia. He is just trying to find where to hide his vote.

intriguing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:07 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:05 pm This Simon push is a bus. Fuck now that I said it it makes perfect sense.

So you think Jack, Simon, and speedchuck are mafia together? I'm open to the theory -- what do you think the goal is?

Cred. Obviously. Simon is an absent low contributor so they're bussing him.

also intriguing.




It's really too bad I can't vote

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:02 pm Y'all: if you suspect both Simon and speedchuck, put your vote speedchuck.

Would if I could bruv

Jesus you guys are talking a lot

welp. yikes

Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 pm If we lynch Simon and he’s mafia we have to choose whether to pursue JJJ/ Wilgy or Nutella / Eloh / Lap and there’s way too much room for error. M

what does this mean? where did those groups of names come from and what do they have to do with each other and why do we have to choose between them?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:16 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm Actually Tony, who do you want to lynch tomorrow if you think Simon's a bad lynch?

Good question.

Probably Nutella.

Over Wilgy? Really?

And Jack, yeah I misread your post about Jay. I guess it's more likely that either Simon and Jay are bad together or Simon and Speed are bad together and probably not both. Do you think both Jay and Wilgy are bad for voting for speed?

OK, I see. Except I still think Lap is town. Her back-and-forth on dunya was unfortunate but I think it was genuine.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:07 pm Eloh and Lap are some of my top suspects on the Dunya lynch.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 5:11 pm I’m leaning Town on Lap

k dude

Well, at one point during the lynch when Jay was pushing to vote for speed, I said that I would have voted for speed if it would have likely gained momentum, but by the end when it was still between Simon and Dunya and a speed vote would be ultimately inconsequential I would have gone for Simon.

RIP rabbit.

Not sure what to make of all this indie-claiming stuff but it feels like a distraction from scumhunting. Kano needs civs to die so I don't like it.

Ugh and both Jay and Simon are off the poll? Sketchy...

I'm sticking with voting for speed for now. I'm also with Jack on not liking Tony lately either.

oh hi made

I find myself following/agreeing with Kyle's thoughts the most here. Whatever Marmot is doing here, it seems antitown.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 4:27 am @nutella what are your thoughts on today's lynch?

I still think speed is a decent option but could definitely also go with Marmot now. Tony is on my short list as well at the moment. He's been all over the place since the dunya lynch and hasn't really explained his suspicion of me very well (I responded to his main post about it and he hasn't acknowledged my response but says he is still confident in his vote for me).

I see Jack is voting Wilgy; I've been trusting and agreeing with Jack a lot and Wilgy has also been a pretty consistent suspect all game, mostly for not saying anything of substance. So he's on the table as well.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 8:35 am Is it possible Jimmy is Ermac?

I don't think he's Ermac for a couple reasons but I guess it's technically possible. I think it's much more likely he is really Kano.


Huh, I actually really like speedchuck's analysis. I still agree with Kyle that I don't see the town motive for what Marmot did, but he is Marmot after all and has been known to do weird stuff.


Working on a rainbow

Glorfindel
lapluie
Jackofhearts2005
Kylemii
Quin
Dave
Dom
novaselinenever
Long Con
Elohcin
Made
Marmot
DrWilgy
Simon
speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
JaggedJimmyJay (3p)

[mention]speedchuck[/mention], your Jay/Marmot analysis makes me want to reconsider my read of you, but you haven't said much about anything else recently. Who do you want to lynch today?

hmmm. not an amazing response tbh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:29 pm This Nutella read comes to you in two parts. The first part is me just looking for things I don't like in Nutella.



AND I just decided that that doesn't matter. Because you guys can all look through the ISO and see how scummy it is. I don't have more insight into Nutella as a player than most of you and I already pointed out the really scummy posts. The second part is why I'm confident in this read.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:24 am No kill



Nutella is bad.

Epignosis wrote:
Sheeva
Furious Stomp: Queen Sindel’s Shokan bodyguard blocks her target.

Tell me somebody noticed this.

And there might be more.

Nope, doesn't check out. I was going to say that it's quite possible that Dunya could have blocked me on the same night there happened to be no kill, and there are plenty of other explanations, but I am in fact quite sure that my power went through on night 2 so I don't think she could even have been honestly implying that.

[mention]Quin[/mention] Wut wut?

Did rabbit replace him? I didn't keep track of that tbh

No... unless Epi made a mistake bc Dom is still in the main player list and on the poll so I don't think he was one of the replaced players but I could be misremembering. But maybe that's not what you meant.

Oh right rabbit replaced BWT.

Anyway Quin why is that weird? He's in the same neutral slot as Dave. I guess I put a greenish tint instead of just yellow but yeah those player slots are null reads obviously.

Dunya's a she (and so am I, I think you messed that up earlier). Anyway, she didn't have info on me or if she did it was messed with somehow, and she definitely did not block me on night 2. I don't even know why you interpreted it that way since I remember her saying that she wasn't actually confident enough in her read of me to lynch me. Definitely wasn't as strong as an info claim. And what do you mean she's not the only one?

I think you may be reading far too much into some things.