The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:59 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:52 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:49 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 3:45 pm Like there isnt really a PUSH there you feel me. There’s a vote with some suspicion and then a couple questioning prods afterwards.

You voted Ultra for hiding behind Nova yeah? That’s most of your reasoning?

Im gonna go through Ultra’s posts to see if he responded to your JJJ questions that you might’ve missed since i didnt see a response in your ISO
Yeah, I didn't campaign for it. I just voted and stated my reasons. That was all of them.

It's not super strong, I guess. But it can't be a bus, either, because I didn't push it. :P Just me pointing out some bad stuff, voting, and then vanishing.
what
He’s not bussing because he early voted for his partner and couldnt get any towncred from his lynch :air_guitar:
It's true. If I was bussing, maybe I'd have some town cred.

See but that's exactly it. Putting a first vote on a teammate not knowing it would take off and then not continuing to discuss him when it does -- that to me does look like a bus, made to look effortless.

Eh that ultra post is not the worst look for speed I suppose, it does seem like if it were teammate distancing it would be hardcore distancing but I won't discount it bc I don't know how ultra plays.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:16 pm @nutella Who in this game would you clear of suspicion, right now? If you had to pick three, not including yourself?

You too @Luxurious.

I know your scumreads better than your townreads, is why I ask.

DDL, Lux, Mac

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:17 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL
If they’re partners than Ultra’s progression was legit
>ew his trap sucked
>he caught someone as a joke it makes sense people voted him
>someone townread him for that? For reals?
>i’m gonna vote the guy townreading my partner because his play doesnt make sense to be townread

Wish nova was here to tell me if this is legit how ultra thinks as scum

Oh yeah I like what you see here.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:42 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:17 pm
Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL
If they’re partners than Ultra’s progression was legit
>ew his trap sucked
>he caught someone as a joke it makes sense people voted him
>someone townread him for that? For reals?
>i’m gonna vote the guy townreading my partner because his play doesnt make sense to be townread

Wish nova was here to tell me if this is legit how ultra thinks as scum
I can tell you. And the answer is...kinda.

So... do you think speed could be scum?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:43 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:20 pm Would love an RDW lynch right now

So...can we do this?

......or you can just do this

Lol what

Like I'm basically ok with lynching rdw I guess but... finalized and set? What does that even mean we have 26 hours left

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:03 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:00 pm Like I'm basically ok with lynching rdw I guess but... finalized and set? What does that even mean we have 26 hours left
Finalized and set so we can make everybody vote for RDW.

Where do you come from that lynches are decided halfway through the day phass

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm Buddy buddy buddy

Lmao yeah that and his reaction to your DDL peek, I'm happy keeping my vote on him

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:26 pm Tinfoil: Mac and DDL are scum buddies.

You can cut that tinfoil with Occam's razor

Sorry drago, let me look for what you wanted me to respond to

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 7:54 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 11:33 pmewhen he did much the same thing both pre- and post facto. Yeaaah, hypocrisy yada yada, civilians have double standards sometimes, I know, but I still really don't like it -- he's too eager to jump on owner. I grant her post was weird but drago made it into a whole thing that doesn't look natural coming from him.

k this is what i've got for now, will gather speed stuff next but probably eating first
Oh this is fucking bullshit. Excuse me here but I am triggered by this. BY NO MEANS did I ever do the same thing that I called out Owner for! I literally said my brag post wasn't telling town that they shouldn't have lynched Gemma but just me bragging and I explained why to you! You haven't responded to it yet and now you're ignoring it over here acting like I'm being a hypocrite when it's not the case. Why is you lying to make me look bad?

Maybe from your perspective it wasn't comparable but from mine it was very similar, with the caveat that owner only did it after the flip iirc.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 4:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 1:11 pm He's made a big deal of ddl being clearly his preferred lynch, but whenever there's been an opportunity to put pressure on owner he's jumped onto her and says he'd be okay with lynching her, and same to rdw and jess. He's clearly focused on ddl, but he's also clearly keeping his options open.

[VOTE: dragomir] aubergine
What in Jesus name is wrong with this? I have my scum reads. I want to lynch one of them so of course I'm going to my options open to find a compromise in lynching one of my scum reads.

I get the concept of backup options. I specifically didn't like the way you took every opportunity to go after owner and rdw, even after this post with the thing about wanting to "finalize" a lynch on rdw felt opportunistic/like you have been agreeable on the easy targets when you could have been pushing harder for your top suspect (which is kind of moot at this point lol, but at the time).

Was there anything else

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:25 pm Buddy buddy buddy
Lmao yeah that and his reaction to your DDL peek, I'm happy keeping my vote on him
What's wrong with it? And also what buddying did I do?

You were buddying lux right then lol. And I didn't like how disappointed-but-kind-of-not-really-surprised you seemed to be at Mac's peek at first, then you pretty quickly came back with a tinfoil theory about ddl and Mac being w/w to justify a continuation of your suspicion

If Mac also suspected DDL then why do you think it was weird that he copped him?

Hmmm ok

Was it really a joke though

Mac you'd be an obv kill after you stated you had a green check before you said who it was, I think he's wondering why you said you were cop and that you had a green check in the first place.

K you do you, if it were me I'd probably wait until either myself or the person I checked were in danger of being lynched but ok

I guess if you think DDL's alignment was central to solving several other people that makes some sense

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 3:53 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2019 5:38 pm POE is 'process of elimination'.

When a townie starts the game, they think anyone could be scum. As they townread people, they eliminate them from consideration, and end up with a POE: a shorter list of people who could be scum.

It's like a list of scumreads, but it focuses on getting rid of townreads more than putting on scumreads.
So you do know what it means you sonovabitch.

Lol

That was a fun page to read. I sympathize with DDL's urge to follow his instinct on Jay, but I don't actually share that instinct at this point and I quite liked Jay's response. I see regular ol' hardass town Jay here.

I also found DDL's position on dragomir to be reasonable. I still suspect him and I think scum can exhibit that kind of hubris, but I have to admit it feels like there's some genuine spark and that may well be his town personality. I'm going back to speed again.

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:59 am Does anyone voting for me actually have a reason for doing so besides "He's not the other people I suspected but don't anymore"

Yeah I have like a bunch of issues with you bro

especially that one post with the nonchalant non-scumreads, then several general/tone things, lux's theory of your ultra vote, then I thought you might have TMI on me, and then just today Jay pointed out you being helpful with explaining poe when in a recent game you hated poe, and I didn't think your consideration of Jay looked organic.

Wait speed i don't follow your Jesse case. What TMI?

And what am I doing that's like Firefly lol

Oh well he's gone

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 1:03 pm In case y'all try and lynch me I am town tracker, MacDougall didn't target anyone night 2.

well that checks out I guess

why did you pick mac?

a quick scan of rdw's iso shows me few things. Early concern that Jay has TMI on him, a light prod of Mac, and a couple drive-by votes for dragomir with no reasoning provided. I hope after he kills his final today he can at least give us some reads and/or somewhat more substantial thoughts.

I'm sitting here waiting for a coworker's piece of a project I am so bored please someone talk

Oh I see what you mean, I guess he could have caught up a bit before his entrance post but you may have a good catch there.

Also lol my mafia memory is so bad I don't even remember tunneling you in Firefly I just remember being pocketed by TH but also being the only person to see how bad golden was lmao

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 2:29 pm In the we're screwed if all the inactives are civilians universe, having one who just dropped by for a vote is more valuable than one who did not. For whatever that's worth (to RDW's credit over JK or MP).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 2:34 pm [VOTE: rundontwalk2] aubergine

Huh

I guess you're making the conjecture that it's then worse if he's bad? Or something like that?

Or that he might be bad bc it's motivation to come drop a vote?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 2:43 pm Is there a good reason Jessie deserves death over M Plus 7?

I think if mp had drawn a mafia card he would at least try to show up and vote but idk his life is crazy I guess. But Jesse has some actual meat in a couple posts that I can find reason to criticize, like the one speed quoted/you highlighted was super weird

I think sloonei is unlikely to do modkills since he is aiming to replicate the champs format, it's unfortunate he couldn't find another replacement though

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 5:15 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:47 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 4:40 pm Rdw's vote on me reeks of an attempt to save himself.
You think a townie wouldn't attempt to save himself?
They might, sure, but doing something like that is something I more expect a wolf to do as there's more reason for why they'd do that than a townie.

Also, I think a townie is more likely to not care or try to save themselves instead just give up.

That's kind of redundant/not really a reason lol. You don't think a townie cares for self preservation when the game depends on the numbers?

Man you gotta have an open mind. Not even considering other perspectives is not a productive way to approach anything, and that's just general life advice too

But seriously reads should evolve as the game progresses and we get flips and new information. Working from your d1 reads only never results in a town win.

(Except maybe in the dfs game lolol)

WILGYYYYYYY

RIP lux, great to play with you. Stick around the site why don't you?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm Oh, one more. Are there any town-firmed?

DDL and Mac barring tinfoil weirdness

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:13 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri May 10, 2019 7:11 pm I think we should massclaim.

I think we are unlikely to profit much but the cost is now basically zero.
I don't oppose, but I'd prefer if we waited abit. Perhaps mid day? I have things to learn before the stipulation is added.

....k then

So you weren't actually claiming doc just then eh

I'll claim if needed

I'm the 2nd JoaT and since tsaiah missed n1 and 2 I only had one action n3, used the doc shot on ddl.

DDL was my strongest townread when I came into the game and I thought enough people townread him that he could be an nk target. Should've gone for nova

Owner tracked lux n1 it was a whole deal

I too have been finding Wilgy's questions kind of odd, like he knows a weird set of information about the game but is still missing a lot. [mention]DrWilgy[/mention] how much have you read?

I am in agreement with Owner about the possibility of a speed/drago team and I think the third is likely RDW or Wilgy. Owner what are your thoughts on RDW?

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine for now, I'm still feeling worst about him

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:19 am

But what Dragomir is doing doesn't look strong at all. I get why he's pushing me - cause there's a potential I might not really play that much, but still it's like dude, you were kind of caught in the act of overreacting to one vote. Yes, I get town has a reason to live too, but I did still claim early on. And you said "you wanted to scum read me"; it was like you knew I was town and what I did was townie. But then you decided/went ahead and scum read me anyway. It kind of feels like one of those grudge votes. (You were suspicious of me early, so I'm gonna get you back one way or another type deals. But yeah, it's not a super natural type read; it's like Dragomir is trying to hard to push something that isn't very natural or genuine feeling.

Yeah, I get a similar feeling - [mention]Dragomir[/mention] I had some trouble articulating the problems I've had with the way you've been pursuing Owner but this is sort of it. It's like you have chosen her as the scapegoat to come back to whenever you feel like lightly pressuring someone, in a way that slowly, gradually manipulates the narrative to set her up as a future mislynch in your favor.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:36 am I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?

He's my top suspect...? Your tiers don't exactly reflect my view but Dragomir is a very close second choice for me so whatever man

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:57 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:56 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 12:36 am I find your vote placement questionable nutella. How can you justify voting speed over dragdocwalk?
He's my top suspect...? Your tiers don't exactly reflect my view but Dragomir is a very close second choice for me so whatever man
He is? Why?

you could, like, read my posts and find out

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 6:06 pm Softball tonight, be back later

Haha get it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:45 pm nutella, when you joined the game you said you'd had a theory that Gemma and I were both bad. Tell me about that, and more generally why you were beefing with Gemma

Well the connection between you was just her protection and that iirc you two were fairly buddy-buddy. My main issue with Gemma was her hesitance to express scumreads, and some general tonal pings

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 8:53 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 09, 2019 11:56 am That was a fun page to read. I sympathize with DDL's urge to follow his instinct on Jay, but I don't actually share that instinct at this point and I quite liked Jay's response. I see regular ol' hardass town Jay here.
What is "hardass town Jay" and where did you see him?

what?

you know like.... yourself?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat May 11, 2019 9:15 pm linki: Then I guess I don't really get it. Actions seem towny or they don't. If the context doesn't change, then how does an interpretation completely flip it?
Re-interpretation doesn't change context, it changes reads. In your suspicion of me, you're forced to assess the entire body of the game to generate the stance that you have. I don't give a crap what you think of my response to your suspicion -- your suspicion preceded it (indeed, the semantics of that sentence are self-evident ). Is it even possible for you to develop a changed read on me without re-interpreting content which you had previously liked?

I'm so confused

this whole interaction feels like derailment

rundontwalk2 wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 1:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 12, 2019 1:25 pm Right, I mean the "depends on what Dragon says" part though -- or is the entire post about Dragomir

rundontwalk2 please come explain your shit
On what dragon luffy says like what was impact of dragonmir targeting him

...what?

I still don't understand why you voted ddl?

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