The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:58 pm Now it's time for you people to explain why everyone and their dog is townreading Radishes because I don't see it.

Alternatively, let's lynch him.

Townie thought process, mindmelds

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.

Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

.....Didn't you say MR was lock town

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:21 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.
Ah yes, the brusque lemme-tell-you-how-to-play-properly tone. A favourite of mine too.

Let me make this as clear as I can for you - I think LC is town, but I am not locking it in because, fun fact, my D1 reads have been wrong before.

Yeah. This.

Mindmeld city.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
.....Didn't you say MR was lock town
It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?

Because it's true? Because I'm not worried about anyone looking at me in the first place?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.
Nah. His townread is still strong enough that it would look quite weird if he ended up voting LC, so I disagree. His caveats were minor handwavey waffles, which I can relate to.
You are allowed to waffle like crazy after being mislynched or almost mislynched 3875498475936547 times for that. Normal people still get a ping for it, though.

No. I don't like this coming from you. I thought we had similar styles and you understood the concept of uncertainty in reads. This is a really, really, really bad look on you.

Well I guess you interpreted those posts differently because I thought it was pretty clear that LC was a pretty strong townread for him.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:40 pm I feel reasonably confident at this point that LC and MR are town. I also found DDL's more recent posts towny (for reasons I believe MR described) but I also thought 112's take on his lack of enthusiasm as potentially AI made sense, so I'm more ambivalent there. I do really vibe with MR's Tony gripes so gonna move my vote there. [VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine
Can you expand on your confidence there?

LC has a townie mindset and I agree with MR's read of him (and also there's the arguably angleshooty feeling from his question about probable flavor-alignment correlation). MR I've been mindmelding with a lot and has shown thought processes that resonate as genuine.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:55 pm Also, my early scum read of MP was not totally a joke. I retracted it, but it did actually come back as his later posts felt wrong/forced somehow. His town meta can look beep-boopy but he's seemed a bit too far in that extreme so far and if he doesn't start doing more I'd be happy with lynching him.
Which posts specifically?

Lynching me on D1 in any given game is a ballsy move; I clear myself pretty easily over time.

All of them p much lol.

And the idea that you'll look better over time just makes me want to catch you early even more, because if you're scum you'll weasel your way into a powerful position.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:14 pm Like come on guys, that slot is probabilistically more likely town than not, whereas we have thread content to analyze for all other slots that may help us determine that someone has more likelihood to be scum. Not to get mathy about it but it's just all around a dumb thing to do to lynch that slot. Allow me to say it -- it's -EV.
If you're going to actually get on this line of thinking and talk about -EV plays, then tell me how lynching me D1 isn't -EV.

Yeah, no. See above.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:27 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:08 pm Language is everything.

If you are sure LC is town say that. Don't add caveats. Don't theorize about him being w/w with someone then say you are "not very serious about it". The way you did it leaves it open for you to vote LC if other people do that later.
This man is motherfucking town.

Whatever the polar opposite of a mindmeld is, we have it in regards to that DDL opinion. Was a big yikes for me.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:31 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:36 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:34 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:31 pm
112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 2:16 pm ok

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine
.....Didn't you say MR was lock town
It wasn't a serious post.

And let me throw the shade back at you whataboutistically and ask: how do I know you're not playing up the 'I suck as mafia' angle in order to get people to look away from you?
Because it's true? Because I'm not worried about anyone looking at me in the first place?
Hot take: this interaction is between two scummates.

Lol I wish.

Why did you vote 112?

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:35 pm I honestly think nutella's push on me is absolute garbage, and I don't mean that as fabricated because she could easily be town and it could be garbage, and I need her to specifically tell me what posts of mine sounded forced and how she thought that meant I would be scum in this game.

I honestly mean it when I say all of them. It's a tone thing. It's the way you've responded to lots of different posts with something like "yeah, that makes a lot of sense" and are exuding a general appearance of being overly logical and analytical towards each and every possible angle. It's a general sense that you are coming across as a caricature of your usual meta.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:35 pm I'm not getting mislynched as town in my second game back on The Syndicate in multiple years. It's never happening.

And I don't like this attitude either. I get not wanting to be mislynched if you are in fact town, but the way you keep saying this is manipulative and weasely. You're using your power as a respected player around here to try to squeeze your way out of being a lynch candidate, because you know that if you can survive longer you can become more and more credible in the thread due to sheer volume of participation. You're setting yourself up to powerwolf.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:39 pm Now I know sig is one of the most often mislynched players on our site, but let's talk about this post some more:

sig wrote: ↑Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:38 pm Not a fan of Nanook/Nutella interaction. But, on their own they're Null.
Radish is my first civ lean, not only was his joke funny, but he doesn't seem bad.
Speed seems okay.
MP seems weird in a bad way he cleared Nutella really quickly and is a gut bad ping right now.
Hyena seems so excited that it's tiring.
Juliet seems like her normal self
LC is a bit off, which probably means he's civ.
112, DDL, Wilgy no clue.
TSP is a gut ping.

I just did a quick skim will probably dig in a bit more later tonight.

linki: Heeeeey
What do people think of this? Is it a reasonable set of perceptions based on thread happenings?

Yes.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:56 pm nutella you just might have a waffle-sized blind spot in your hunting.

Huh?

My point is, if MP is scum, he'll be dangerous if we don't catch him early and nip the powerwolf potential in the bud. Yes, it could be argued that if I turn out to be wrong it's a net worse loss for thread productivity, but if we don't solve his slot I'll be nervous about it all game and I just know that nobody else will be on board with it after a point. It's a... sacrifice I'm willing to make.

Also his read of me and 112 is fake af. Like. That cannot be a real take.

I don't have any specific reason to scumread 112, but I don't have the strongest townread of her either and she deepwolfed really well in wc1 so I understand and respect Hyena's paranoia there. I probably won't be voting for 112 today unless something big happens, but she's in the back of my mind as someone to be careful about getting too comfortable with.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:36 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:12 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 am So I agree the speed on juliets was kind of dumb. That kind of arguments works on a generic mafia player but not on juliets since she is doing the usual juliets thing. That said speed is the kind of guy who makes crappy cases on day 1 just to produce reactions. I think the last two times I saw him doing that he was town? So yeah not super sus about him rn.

Nutella feels very town. Also liked 112's train of thought even if I'm not sure she is right, so she feels town too. Radishes defended it with a generic "I always do that" defense which is annoying but might as well be true.

Not reading anyone else tbh. I guess LC feels like a bit of nonpresence so I might vote there? Maybe.
Would you say that's different than LC normally?
Not sure yet. LC eventually becomes more engaging, maybe he will get there, maybe it's still to soon for it. He is not my favorite lynch target though, just was the one I had some feeling about wanting to lynch this morning, but now I'm feeling MR more.

Imo he's been a hell of a lot more engaging than you, lol. At least until you got more involved today.

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:45 pm I feel like the scum team is largely caught at this point but I'm still not too sure who it is, which is sort of to say they're not caught, but I think in generally we're doing a good job of sorting them somehow if that makes any sense. I have no justifications for saying this.

I don't understand or agree with this post but I love it.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 4:02 pm My point is, if MP is scum, he'll be dangerous if we don't catch him early and nip the powerwolf potential in the bud. Yes, it could be argued that if I turn out to be wrong it's a net worse loss for thread productivity, but if we don't solve his slot I'll be nervous about it all game and I just know that nobody else will be on board with it after a point. It's a... sacrifice I'm willing to make.
This is the dumbest logic of all time, and I suspect you for it because you should know better.

It's like lynching Jay or Epi or anyone else on Day 1 out of fear. It's cowardice.

No, it's not like that, because I actually suspect you, lol. You can be salty about it but that's just the truth.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:14 pm Like come on guys, that slot is probabilistically more likely town than not, whereas we have thread content to analyze for all other slots that may help us determine that someone has more likelihood to be scum. Not to get mathy about it but it's just all around a dumb thing to do to lynch that slot. Allow me to say it -- it's -EV.
I agree don’t lynch 0 posters but I kinda dislike how much Nutella is leaning on “probably town anyway cause reasons.”

Could be tmi.

I didn't say that. I said more likely town, just mathematically.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:39 pm I'm honestly more incensed at nutella because I think she's being a bone-headed townie than anything nefarious, but admittedly my viewpoint on the matter is biased.

Fine, I'll stop being boneheaded about it. I'm not tunnelling. I just suspect you. Is that okay?

I honestly don't know how you enjoy the game if you get so upset that you have to leave the thread any time someone suspects you.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:22 pm I don't know what to do with MP anymore. I'm probably not going to lynch him today but... dang, trying to play mafia here.

I voted there because the entry posts and prodding questions felt obligatory and lackluster, as a gut thing. I wanted to see what fire he brought and what defense he tossed up.

There was some fire brought. But I read the defense as "you guys are freaking stupid and not making any sense" which not only doesn't work as a defense for me, but basically boils down to an Appeal to Emotion, which I despise.

That doesn't mean it's NAI or even scummy as a defense, but it doesn't work.

Yeah. The tilting didn't help, but the last post I quoted where he says he thinks I'm just a mistaken townie felt a little better. Except that he had just been pointing his finger at me earlier. So idk.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:53 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:39 pm I'm honestly more incensed at nutella because I think she's being a bone-headed townie than anything nefarious, but admittedly my viewpoint on the matter is biased.
Fine, I'll stop being boneheaded about it. I'm not tunnelling. I just suspect you. Is that okay?

I honestly don't know how you enjoy the game if you get so upset that you have to leave the thread any time someone suspects you.
I'm sorry, and I mean no offense, I assure you. Mafia is a game of highs and lows for me, that's true every time. I just... I don't hold anything against you or LC at all for being killed N1 in the last game, but the very last thing I want in this game is to roll town and then start off the game as a mislynch for you guys because I'm a much better player in the mid-game than I am now, and so in addition to settin town back mathematically I really don't want that to happen. Then add in that I just felt like I didn't really understand, I also felt like I was getting piled on between sig, speedchuck, and then coming back to the thread and seeing I'm the leading wagon, and I just haven't played here much in a while and I don't mean to say stuff like that to guilt anyone, by all means if you genuinely suspect me you should vote me, but yeah. And then, add to that -- being introspective, the multigaming is likely increasing the amount of mafia-related stress I have on my plate right now.

I apologize, truly, but I hope that better explains this specific frame of mind and why I got particularly upset this time. I'll try to act more maturely about it.

I didn't necessarily think an apology was needed, but it works. I believe this. I'm cooling off on my suspicion of you in any case.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:55 pm
Spoiler: show
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.
This plus the discussion of the inactive slot threw me off. Sorta a plinko read on M+7 and I'm not used to Nutella being more philosophical on strategy.
Hey Tony, what do you mean by this?

I was wondering the same thing. What is that referring to? Also why do you think my MP read was "plinko" (another garbage term lol)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:37 pm Nutella is kind of tricky to put a finger on.

At start, she felt like the genuine waffly ball I'm used to. But then she started going viscerally against me all day, in my town reads, scum reads and my own alignment. This risks clouding my perspective.

I think I can kind of udnerstand what is causing this, though. Nutella is one of the people in this site whose playstyle approaches mine the most. I think she was expecting to mindmeld with me, and in failing to do so, decided it's because I'm bad.

I think this is an unfair way to judge me though. Just because I play like nutella does doesn't mean I'll arrive at the same conclusions as she does. In fact, I recall the opposite happening way more often. Usually nutella is this waffly ball that is saying things I don't really agree with, even if I believe she believes in them.

Well, either that or she is bad and I let my empathy trick me into trusting her. Whatever.

This is fair. And I'm vibing slightly more with you now (there was one other post I liked) so you may move up in my estimation.

Maybe more than one. Idk. I like your recent tone.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:45 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:55 pm
Spoiler: show
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.
This plus the discussion of the inactive slot threw me off. Sorta a plinko read on M+7 and I'm not used to Nutella being more philosophical on strategy.
Hey Tony, what do you mean by this?
Nutella spent over a page discussing the perennial topic of the logic of an inactive lynch. It's an old favorite and I've sort of developed a general understanding of the arguments of different people. I'm not familiar with her generally expressing a view on it -- we've only played maybe half a dozen games, so I have a limited data set -- and so her focus on it here struck me as odd.

I've definitely expressed the view in previous games.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:55 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:43 pm And if he isn't mafia Nutella probably is based on her reasoning for wanting him gone.
No.

MP's alignment has no bearing on nutella's. It's like you saying 'If Nutella's town she should know better' at the same time sussing MP in the previous post. If nutella's town then she doesn't know what MP is, and it doesn't make any sense to draw the conclusion you just drew.

Which, incidentally, set up a 2-lynch false dichotomy with a lot of shade and then a shrug to distance yourself from it.

Bad.

Spicy

I liked sig's entrance though, and this theorizing/slightly-crazy-worldbuilding is exactly what some others said they hoped to see from him. So idk.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:46 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:55 pm
Spoiler: show
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:46 pm Here's where I'm at

Long Con
Master Radishes
112
Hyena
juliets
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig
Jackofhearts2005
speedchuck
Poison Chan
Dragon D. Luffy
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime
M Plus 7

Damn I forgot Wilgy was even in the game, lol. Also had a hard time placing Jack as he hasn't said much of substance yet. Keeping an eye out for him.

[VOTE: M Plus 7] aubergine I feel more secure in this than in a Tony vote atm.
This plus the discussion of the inactive slot threw me off. Sorta a plinko read on M+7 and I'm not used to Nutella being more philosophical on strategy.
Hey Tony, what do you mean by this?
I was wondering the same thing. What is that referring to? Also why do you think my MP read was "plinko" (another garbage term lol)
nutella: MP is scum
nutella: TSP is more scum
Nutella with NO posts in between from TSP or MP: MP is more scum
nutella now: MP probably not scum

That last progression threw me off. Maybe it's just town changing their mind I suppose, but it felt like you felt that TSP suspicion had worn its course and now you had a better target

My vote's still on him, at the moment. I don't suspect him as strongly anymore. I also don't really suspect anyone else very much. Gotta vote somewhere.

I specifically did become less suspicious of you, yes, partially due to that thing about the flavor/alignment stuff

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I am sorry for being pulled away from the game toward the later part of the round.

Uh. Why LC?

...linki ok nvm lol

why is anyone voting nanook tho smh

I mean he isn't one of my strongest townreads but he's up there.

I don't really want to lynch between nanook/sig on d1 tbh, what are yall smoki-- *looks at date* oh

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:18 pm Sorting people into don't want to vote and could vote today. There is not an order within groups:

Won't vote:
nutella
112
Hyena
MP7
LC
speedchuck
Jack (not on his anniversary even though I don't have a read on him)
DDL
MR
Nanook

Could vote:
Dr. Wilgy
Poison Chan - but probably not because he hasn't been here at all
sig
Tony

I have to go fix and eat dinner but before I go I'm putting a vote on sig.

That's quite a lot of Won't Vote names.

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:47 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:46 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:44 pm Actually, Nanook, would you go for MR for self-preservation purposes?
Obviously I’ll go anyone for self prez if it comes to it lol
Okay, cool. I'll settle for MR then.
[VOTE: Master Radish] aubergine

DDL, welcome to my towncore. You're taking MR's spot.

Uh ohhhhh

Nutella no likey

Im high btw

I hate all these wagons ugh how did this day end up so icky

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:11 pm Tbh I’m not even that convinced radishes flips mafia but if he does I’m looking at 112 next

this post doesn't feel right

if I have to lynch between MR/sig/nanook, which is a choice I really don't want to make, it would prob be nanook atm

Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:31 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:24 pm Alright, I'm saying fuck it to tinfoil for now. 112, nutella, juliets, Hyena, speed -- I think I trust the lot of you for now. Whom should I consider voting and why?

I suspect sig but he's... so sig that I just ehhh, I don't want to do that I think. What should I do?
If not 112, then probably Tony. Him joining the Sig wagon after it started growing kinda sealed the deal for me. He also placed a vote for Speedchuck earlier that I didn't like, and when I asked him about it, he gave me a pretty meh response (Tony: "He's felt disengenuous to me"). On top of that, I don't feel like he tried to do anything during the first half of D1. In the second half, I completely lost track of him. He doesn't have any kind of thread presence from my perspective.

Ok

112 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:34 pm There's probably scum in Jack/Wilgy. They're players who have posted but only leave blanks in my mind.

yeah

Let's make the magic happen again. [VOTE: jackofhearts2005theunlynchable] aubergine

I'll be pretty upset if MR is mislynched tbh. If it comes down to it I'll vote nanook. More people should get on the jack wagon tho.

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine here you go hyena!

lolol

why'd you choose sig?

I feel bad about it poor sig

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:00 pm why'd you choose sig?
I was already on radishes, Sig was only vote that saved me

oh ofc. I guess I didn't realize jack was also already on him

Damn the red text got me all excited, but oh well. Sounded like a really interesting role.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:17 pm Well, lol town mislynching sig again I guess, but that role is negative utility AF, so honestly I'm glad it's gone. Could have been worse?

Probably true lol. Would have been fun to see though

OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm Okay... so for these rules things, they're interesting. Not a single one jumps out at me as the overwhelmingly best option. The first one is awful fwiw, so I guess it's between two and three? Thoughts?

I'm not a fan of the idea of forcing roleplay, but the third one is uhhhhh

Why do you think the first one is bad? I disagree but am open to hearing your argument.

Roleplaying I'm not super enthusiastic about personally. The third one, eh. Not really into it.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:21 pm OOoooh new rule!! Secret second lynch ftw.
Wait, talk me through this because I initially thought it sounded bad. We get more information via a second lynch, but secret votes sounds like a bad idea.

It's literally an extra lynch. I'm pretty sure that's pro-town on balance. The catch is that town have to have a general consensus in thread, or mafia will snag the majority easily. This happened in the GOC and everyone just claimed who their secret vote was gonna be on a consensus suspect.

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