The Syndicate

Oh wait no I see. No I think it is what you originally thought.

It's because more people need to talk. And Spacedaisy would be a good start.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:22 pm I’m only on page 13 right now, but I will say these few things.

Civs can misread people and get things wrong and look bad, but still be civs. I am.

I came in and saw I only had a few minutes to vote so I went with my gut and voted Soneji, without even knowing a Jack was on the block. But I wouldn’t have voted Jack anyway even if I knew because I incorrectly believed him to be civ. I would not have so blatantly called my teammate civ like that if I were bad. I’m not bad.

I feel pretty sure you all are going to lynch me today anyway and I will guarantee the civs will regret it. I appreciate logical analysis but I hope you all can leave room for some gut instinct too because logic alone will probably put me in the bad seat for good reasons. But logic is going to mislead you this time.

Now I’m going to continue my catch up.

hmm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 1:28 pm Yeah not a lot worth commenting on. Not bad but I fully expect you guys are going to roll with this easy lynch. Whatever man, bring it on, eliminate me and hopefully move on to lore fruitful topics.

Ftr I still really don’t trust Soneji.

can you talk more about your read on Soneji? I could be swayed there perhaps

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:24 pm
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 am I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.
Ok, found the suspicion statement:

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:46 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 3:09 am So, apparently, this setup favours town hunting, which is better as a whole given that 75% of the time you're probably going to be right about your town leans. Thus, we should actively seek out town slots that we consider to be very obvious towns.

Why? After a ship's death, scraps will be scattered and during the night phase, the person with the most votes will receive those scraps in order to purchase and upgrade parts of their ship.

I will attempt to go for town hunting as it proved to be a solid method for myself. If I get to a scum lean on the line, I'll let it be known, but it's mostly going to be town hunting.
I feel like a town wouldn't need to announce they are townhunting if they were townhunting. Also a fun fact, tedx didn't do any townhunting even until at this point on quote.
The 'fun fact' feels a little like a forced 'gotcha'.

Yeah I'm not inspired by that. It's at least an original thought but it doesn't necessarily feel like a genuine one.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:28 pm Sorry, that was a bit wrong... not for Soneji's non-Jack vote, it was about Jack voting me:

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:17 pm So jack was voting for Long con even though soneji had 3 votes, right? That makes me suspect Soneji.

Oh that is a good point actually.

But given the timing of the CFD and the fact that Daisy's soneji vote was close to last minute he might not have realized in time that the soneji wagon had more of a chance of saving him than the LC one because of how fast the votes moved (and especially if he didn't realize it was eod lol). So idk

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:48 pm I'll give it to Jay, sloonei's feeling waaaaaaaaay off

I was just about to say. He's acting like LC fell into a trap he set. That doesn't feel like townSloonei's typical approach, he's more of a direct engagement kind of guy. Doesn't smell quite right.

Yeah those are good takes ted. I would love to see more thoughts/reads from daisy on people other than soneji.

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay Town
JiwonMeganPark Town
Long Con Scum
MacDougall Town
motobot Town
Myo Town
nutella Town
sig Town
Sloonei Scum
Soneji Scum
Spacedaisy Scum
tedxtr Town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:17 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 11:08 amMacDougall bad
Tell me more

Wild

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:31 am @tedxtr you asked me about Soneji and I answered at the bottom of the previous page. Talk to me about that immediately or die.
If it's the big Jack - Soneji thing I can't say I'm really inspired by it.

I thought the way he focused on sig last EoD was actually not posturing for a cfd there but merely attempting to discern his alignment. He didn't have the survival instinct of pulling something out of his ass in order to make sig gain more steam.

I am not aware of what the wagons were but if sig wasn't a top contender then soneji not even saying anything about LC in order to vote him in favour of his buddy looks good enough to me.

He looked relaxed at EoD if you ask me.

I don't think this really means anything. There was no sig wagon at EOD. It's a non-factor. I don't recall anything about whether or how Soneji responded to the quick LC wagon and the cfd onto Jack. I don't know how he felt about anything at EOD. If he was around, I have no recollection of him being around, and he certainly didn't influence anything relevant. That's a problem.

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Nah as the connoisseur of true spice I declare that paprika is bland af

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

did everyone forget about this game or something

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 3:26 pm Jiwon concerns
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JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pm Who is long con?
I have never seen a player inquire about the existence of another player in a game when the mystery player in question has been active and present to the degree that LC has. "Who is long con?" implies that Jiwon sees us all talking about something or someone by that name and does not know what the hell we're talking about. But... there is a player named Long Con who is also posting in the thread. His name appears on the poll and on the player list on Page 1 in addition to his own posts. "Who is Long Con?" is a question that never ever needs to exist. I don't really know what to do with this, but it was such a bizarre moment that my reaction was to squint my eyeballs at it and consider that it could be feigned ignorance.

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JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:34 am sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts
If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?
I asked for an explanation to this post and never got one. Jiwon frames this as though the thought of her being responsible for the nanook kill is completely outlandish. But I see absolutely no reason to make that assertion, so I don't know why it's being brought up unprovoked like this.

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JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 6:02 am I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.
"I already named a suspect, I've done my job."

I don't think any of these are real reasons to believe she's scum

Except maybe the last one, she was directed to the vote count record and still had nothing to say

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 1:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 11:59 am I don’t see how that’s an AI derp clear but I’m going to hard sheep you this game so I’ll roll with it
I will sheep Nanook

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:20 pm Soneji, Dragomir/nutella, and Long Con have multiple votes.

Does anybody town read any of those players?
Nutella is lock lock lock lock lock town. The other two are specifically the two players that I wanted to be the focus of D1 in my path forward post. Which was always going to happen. Because even though people don't actually listen to me, they still do what I want.
I feel like I should sheep you instead of Nanook

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 7:34 am sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts
If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

...Wait yeah I don't understand this at all.

[mention]JiwonMeganPark[/mention] What is your read on Nanook and how/why has it seemingly changed over the course of the game so far?

Er what was your read on nanook before he died lol. Basically what sloonei said, why is the idea that you killed him untenable?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:32 pm ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay - town
JiwonMeganPark - who
Long Con - who
MacDougall - town
motobot - who
Myo - who
nutella - being careful here
sig - who
Sloonei - town
Soneji - town
Spacedaisy - scum
tedxtr - lack claire town

1) you are violating Jay's rules and he won't like it
2) how do you not remember LC's significance in the game thus far are you just existing in a different plane

3 maf and one 3p I believe

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:43 pm I’ll just say sig is mafia with space so jay doesn’t send me to the gallows

the problem is more what you said about me

but also all the "who"s

the point is to take a stance one way or the other

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:46 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Good lord, four pages at the eod? I’m going with my gut based on my earlier reads. What’s the story with the LC wagon? Did I miss something or is it in these last four pages?
If I'm picking out one moment from Daisy's ISO that doesn't sit well with me, it's this. I color coded the three separate ideas conveyed in this near-deadline post.

Green - I'm not sure what precisely Daisy means when she says "Dear God", but the implication seems to be that there's four pages of content she has not read. This leads into...
Blue - She will need to resort to a vote based on previously-formed reads. I do not object on principle. With so little time, she can't possibly be expected to take in everything that's happened in her absence. But...
Orange - We have established that Daisy is voting for her pre-existing suspect (Soneji) and won't/can't take in the previous four pages of the thread in time for it to impact her decision. Her vote has been cast, and the tone of the Blue sentence makes it seem final, set in stone. But then she tacks on a question about one of the competing wagons, as though she has interest in it enough to merit a vote change. But Blue and Orange don't mesh. Green and Blue do, and then Orange feels tacked on out of obligation. "I am supposed to be interested in this case, so I will ask."

Things were pretty hectic at this time, so it's understandable if she didn't see that Jack was starting to receive votes too. She commented after the fact to say she "never would have voted him". And I note no further interest in LC. In fact, all three of her Day 2 posts are exclusively focused on self-defense with the brief exception of some shade directed at ted for his suspicion against her. I do not struggle to read her deadline post as that of a mafioso who showed up at the end of what seemed to be a safe lynch, so she just went through the motions and checked off the boxes which required checking. Her follow-ups on Night 1/Day 2 do not reflect an earnest interest in solving the game. I understand that it can be frustrating and overwhelming to become Suspect #1 overnight like she has, but self-defense can't accomplish anything if you're not also trying to help us find another target for suspicion. So @Spacedaisy if you want us to vote for somebody else today, help us figure out who that should be.

Might be worth noting that that post was made a minute after the poll had already closed. So I assume she quickly voted Soneji, then made that post. Which kinda makes the LC question even weirder, since I assume since she voted first she realized the deadline was up anyway.

Also the timing of daisy's vote/post makes it a bit strange that she questioned the LC wagon but not the quick move onto Jack-- though to be fair it did happen quite fast at the very end so it's possible she had voted and looked at the poll when LC was still ahead and while she was writing the post the cfd happened. Awkward though in any case.

[VOTE: spacedaisy] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:00 pm How about y'all gimme a 5-player POE pool. Ignoring the independent for the moment, that's the current target number.

Daisy
Soneji
Jiwon
LC
Motobot

I toyed with putting Sloonei in there but I decided he's ok

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:25 pm 90 posts per page is ace

You're a demon.

Why would you ever want something that's not nicely divisible like 50

I'm so used to 50 that I can't really imagine anything else anymore. Like I know what number posts will be on what pages, and the way I read the thread is just so.... comfortable in knowing there are 50 posts on a page. It's completely ingrained in how I visualize the game.

I think it has a lot to do with my sort-of-eidetic-memory way of thinking about a lot of things -- like I have it for books too in that if I remember a specific passage from a book I remember where it was physically on the page. In mafia if I don't remember a specific post number I'll still remember roughly how far down the page it was.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:59 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 6:57 pm I think it has a lot to do with my sort-of-eidetic-memory way of thinking about a lot of things -- like I have it for books too in that if I remember a specific passage from a book I remember where it was physically on the page. In mafia if I don't remember a specific post number I'll still remember roughly how far down the page it was.
i'm the same way with physical books but i hardly ever actually pay attention to where i am on a webpage.

Yeah that's fair, I don't really look at like the scrollbar itself really so it's probably that I actually pay more attention to post numbers. Like if I'm catching up on a lot of pages I like to be able to note that if I'm at xx25 or xx75 I'm halfway through the page as a nice landmark.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:59 pm Long Con as Mafia doesn't scum read me I don't think. It feels like actual townie irrational tunneling. I'm not voting there.

I feel this.

I also agree with Jay's read of Daisy's recent posts.

I think I'd rather go for [VOTE: Soneji] aubergine at the moment

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:02 pm Nobody actually truly town reads Jay here right? I mean aside from Daisy who hasn't explained why and is being shielded by him? Surely everyone has the same doubt I have.

Nah, I legit had the same reaction to Daisy that Jay did, so I buy it.

I think it's still possible she's bad, but I don't think Jay is ever her partner.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:01 pm All of the signs point at Daisy but then Daisy makes one random soft ATE post and suddenly Jay is like "nah sounds authentic" dropping all of his reasoning in favour of a snap town read. I don't buy it. Jay is either spewing her town or her partner.
I don't bake in tunnels like 98% of civilians. That's one of my best traits. If I see a civilian in one post, then I see a civilian. I don't need to roast on it all day. I don't give a shit.
You see one Daisy post and it overrules all of the mechanical reasoning that she is scum that you and several others agree on. This is not Jay. You do not do this. You play analytically. You are off meta. You only do snap reads on day 1. Everything else is analytical. I literally just watched you play town.

This is just false what? Jay snap reads people as town based on posts/tone all the time dude

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:12 pm The Daisy wagon is howling. So she's town yeah I'll give you that much. I just have far better reasoning than you.

what

you just said she was howling

I don't understand what your opinion is

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:14 pm @nutella feelings on sig?

trending down

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:11 pm So I was just sleeping but afyer reading everything I like this wagon more so then lc

I never was for LC and this last minute push away form daisy onto either me or LC doesn't seem genuine seems like an attempt to save a teammate
This is so fake. We just did this on Day 1 and killed a mafioso.
I'm very hesitant to back a CFD, always am they frequently aren't right and lynch civs and are a tool for mafia.

Furthermore this one is just throwing names out, seems disjointed and panicky.

Paired with the fact both you and daisy almost jumped at me at same time makes me think you could be teammates honestly.

I also don't like her vague hints we shouldnt lynch her.

I really think you have the wrong take on CFDs. I don't know actual data, but day 1 in this very game is a counterexample. And you ever heard of "dead air, dead villager"?

[VOTE: long con] aubergine

Can we just lynch soneji tho

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:31 pm So funny. You guys just totally railed off one player to another that has scarcely rated a mention. Which of the three of you is the mafia?

soneji is one of the most talked about suspicions in the thread my dude

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:46 pm I don't even see why you guys got all "Daisy is super obvious town" over that. It was this weird little hivemindy cliquey bullshit that triggered me. And you all were hostile to me during it also so I felt obliged to reject your wagon to spite you frankly.

I don't think she's super obvious town. I just second-guessed and thought Soneji would be a more likely hit. If you were right, cool.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:49 pm On the bright side. If she flips scum we just cleared a bunch of the POE. Eh?

lol, you're the one who said maybe we shouldn't lynch her because of the names on her wagon. But you changed your mind.

Wagon purity and the corollary thereof are very real tells, I've learned.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:11 pm I think we made the best decision I was able to come up with. That's all we can ask for in any lynch.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:11 pm 0.01% chance that there isn't scum on the daisy wagon

{tedxtr, MacDougall, Soneji, sig, Myo}

Not Mac. I'm inclined to say not ted, but he could fool me. Other three are fair game. I have minor reasons to see town in sig and myo. Even less so for Soneji (there was a point on d1 I saw town in him but I don't really remember why and put little stock into that read after today)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:16 pm I suspect tedxtr quite a bit tbh. He was weird on day 2. Like extra.

You know, you're right now that I think about it. My TR of him was strong d1 but I remember some of his posts today having a weird tone. He warrants a reread.

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 10:17 pm
Why do you think mafia was on Daisy.

This doesn't have a question mark and that's because it shouldn't even be a question lol

(multiple people who were already in the POE sitting comfortably for a long time on what ended up being a mislynch which scum probably saw as an easy target for today)

in fact something that I think Ted, maybe someone else, said about Daisy "needing to be resolved today" or whatever set me off. That's usually a sign of a mislynch that scum are content to sit on.

Imma give scrap to Jay

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to vote for yourself for scrap

Oh cool

Looks like someone bought the Ion so presumably someone will be silenced today?

I will also open with a [VOTE: Soneji] aubergine.

Soneji wrote: ↑Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:38 am Wake up and see I almost got lynched again. Definitely going to have to take a to those on my wagon, as it is scummy af to try and flip me before Daisy. My town flip always leads to their lynch the next day

Didn't like this.

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