The Syndicate

Epi kill:
Juliet: Why did the maf kill Epi? That's so random.
Luna: Hey, maybe it's someone he sussed, let's take a look!

Jay kill:
Juliet & Luna: Let's talk about something else.

@juliets @Lunalee Why is this different treatment? What will be accomplished by talking about Epi kill? Why no one talk about Jay kill when:
>Jay is a big fish
>Speed watched Jay and LC visited him N1 (cop? block?)
>Jay survived until D4
>Suddenly killed N4
If talking about who's getting killed by scum could accomplish something, isn't talking about Jay kill will bear more fruit than Epi? You two talked about Epi but not about Jay. Why?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:57 pm Because I can see exactly why Jay was killed. He was supatowning. Epi was not supatowning, he was in the background though he was participating. The Jay kill was not a surprise - the Epi kill was. I never said "let's talk about something else". I think it's good to look at who Jay suspected in the last day and night, I just haven't done it yet.

Was not a surprise, yes. But why now? Why not earlier if he's a supatown? That timing alone is weird enough and should be talked

Didn't Timmer claim to target Bullz N1?

timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:06 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:05 pm Didn't Timmer claim to target Bullz N1?
Yes, I tried to off Bullz night 1.

@_@ so we have 2 odd night vigs or there's an SK (but write up indicated nothing). We had 2 kills N1, could it be another Hippo? But there are 3 N2 if it's Hippo.

Oh wait, your delayed kill probably since Quin claim to delay you.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:25 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:16 pm Oh wait, your delayed kill probably since Quin claim to delay you.
Who are you talking to here? If timmers bullz kill was delayed why didn't it happen day 2? But maybe you are talking about something else.

It's timmer, didn't quote him because easier to post without quote. Post with quote usually got me logged out

If it's delayed then maybe that's why we got 3 kills N2. But then the hippo should be on N1 or there's something else N1?

No one seems to want to talk about Jay again

I'll eat my breakfast and go to work.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:49 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 8:42 pm No one seems to want to talk about Jay again
I'll eat my breakfast and go to work.
What would you like to talk about?

Already said it twice and explained it but nobody bother to read.

..maybe turned the setting back to somewhere before Outpost game? There's a short period where I can't logged out instead.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei

What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?

Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.

Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?

Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.

>says the guy who formed new wagon on Glorfindel to counter LC/Colin wagon

>says the guy who's suspected by Jay as Blendy guy, 1st person to be analyzed deeply by him, you even showed you're nervous when he did it

@JackofHearts2005 And what did I get from claiming Cop and then Speed flip town? Did I get town cred? You also dropped the fact I voted Bullz 2 days in a row and never move it. Either I'm crazy prepared or I simply am a Cop.

If you're so sure I'm scum, why didn't you vote me since early? Coward.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:18 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:13 am ~ Guy is in POE

~ Try to get guy out of POE

~ Guy be like nawwww
“Standard blendy Jack” right?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:30 am I’m supposed to be doing laundry but what if I got drunk and played mafia?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:24 pm I’m kinda disappointed that most of these interactive are about me so far for obvious reasons.

Don't like Jay focusing on you, right?

I got logged out 4-5 times just for that post -_-

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:25 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:09 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:41 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:36 am @Quin @Sloonei

What do you think of my assertion that Colin can only be mafia if Pout is mafia and even then, it requires Pout to play in a needlessly risky fashion?

Furthermore, if this is the case, that’s probably the mafia. Pout and Colin. Your other suspects are all town.

Does this affect your scumread on Colin at all? Is a Pout/Colin scumteam plausible to you?

Anyone else who suspects Colin but is Pout agnostic or pro Pout should answer this question.
I don't know why pout has to be mafia when I think of my own theory of why Colin is bad. But to talk about pout, I'm at least wary about the idea that scum pout would cop claim so...openly? If that's the word for it. Pout's been wrong about one check already and if Colin is bad that makes two. It's suicidal.
If Pout is town and Colin is scum, we’re looking at a world where Pout hit two inaccurate cop checks and then got obliviated. We’re talking about hitting a cloak that isn’t in the rules and then a frame that isn’t in the rules (though the rules imply one or both could exist in secrets). Or we’re talking about Pout hitting self busdrive animals into and out of scum. Or we’re talking about the mafia misdirecting a new player to the site over Jay, Epi, Speedchuck and probably Nutella and Mac. They didn’t imperio her on N2 because they crucioed her N1 because she got a result N1.

Counterarguement: Pout was obliviated, meaning the mafia probably knew her power by N2 or N3, depending on if that power acts as a block too the night it is used.

The sheer bad luck it would take for a cop to get two inaccurate results is...well it’s not crazy bad luck but it’s pretty bad.

If Pout is scum, I don’t think she lies twice about her results because then, a lynch on either player makes her look really bad because of the above argument.

So even if Pout is scum, I think it makes Colin look town and if Pout is town, it really makes Colin look town.

Take away the lynch and rez argument and the cop check and I wouldn’t suspect Colin at all anyway. It’s a lot easier (esp in light of Timmer and Speedchuck’s handling of powers) for me to think Colin’s being brash and isn’t thinking of the best way to use a rez than it is for me to see scum motivation in his play overall.
I want to agree with this reasoning about Colin. However, I asked the question if a power would go through on the night that someone was obliviated (I was thinking of pout) and the answer was yes so I think she was obliviated night 2. If she had been obligated night 3 she still would have gotten a result. So they had to do something night 1 to find out her power. If they crucioed her though she would have been role blocked and not gotten a result night 1. Is there another way they could have found out she was the cop on night 1?

I think they might cop Jay N1 if anything. That LC visited Jay bothers me. Jay is big fish, very likely to be copped early. If scum killed based on how dangerous a player's abilities are, then they might skip Jay because he's not dangerous "ability wise" until he got too close to them.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:37 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:17 am JackofHearts2005 And what did I get from claiming Cop and then Speed flip town? Did I get town cred? You also dropped the fact I voted Bullz 2 days in a row and never move it. Either I'm crazy prepared or I simply am a Cop.

If you're so sure I'm scum, why didn't you vote me since early? Coward.

When did I say I was so sure you’re scum?

You’re all up my ass today and I don’t know what you’re on about.

You keep shading me since yesterday and try to tie me to Colin as if we're team mates. You think I don't see that? If Colin happens to be scum, it's you who needs to be scrutinized more thanks to your Glorfindel wagon (and the fact you should know his truth meta better yet you keep your vote on him).

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:42 am poutanko how would they have copped Jay night 1? If they had switched your target from Bullz to Jay wouldn't you have gotten a civ reading on Bullz?

I was talking about LC visiting Jay - Speed's result. Not my result on Speed. Speed targeted Jay and got LC visiting him. What did LC do to Jay?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty

Your logic

You can lynch me, but you should be vigged on spot after my flip

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:09 pm Glor’s truth meta can go do something unmentionable.

And what is that?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:25 am I want to agree with this reasoning about Colin. However, I asked the question if a power would go through on the night that someone was obliviated (I was thinking of pout) and the answer was yes so I think she was obliviated night 2. If she had been obligated night 3 she still would have gotten a result. So they had to do something night 1 to find out her power. If they crucioed her though she would have been role blocked and not gotten a result night 1. Is there another way they could have found out she was the cop on night 1?

Scums have access to Hogwarts abilities too, so it's possible for Divination and not Crucio.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:29 pm Iirc Glorf did not say "I'm town" until the vote was closed or closing. I don't think Jack had time to move his vote even if he wanted to due to the truth meta.

Ow okay, fair enough. I still don't trust him since he started the wagon

...you wot

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:54 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:39 pm Okay listen up. I have use of the divination spell and here are my results:
N1 - Owner/Sloonei TOWN
N2 - Epi TOWN
N3 - used another ability
N4 - DharmaHelper TOWN

I didn't want to claim already. But it's day 5 and I don't want to knowingly watch a townie get lynched. So @timmer @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool @Jackofhearts2005 make a better choice and get off Sloonei.

If you need further proof, look at my first rainbow read post. I listed Epi and Owner in dark green, since I had checked them by then.
Spicy.

[VOTE: Pout] aubergine

To Vig, shoot this dude. He didn't even question her claim

@LunaleeWhy didn't you check me/Colin or one of PoE? Why didn't claim earlier about your result on Owner/Sloonei?

I'm going to sleep if Luna doesn't plan on answering now. It's 12:40 am already here. Good night guys ~

...
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME???

TRYING TO LYNCH ME WHILE I WAS SLEEPING? CAN I EVEN DEFEND MYSELF? WHOSE IDEA IS THIS?

ColinIsCool, Sloonei, Lunalee, Jackofhearts2005
SCUM

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:04 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 8:56 pm ColinIsCool, Sloonei, Lunalee, Jackofhearts2005
SCUM
We lynched Jack and he is indeed scum. Now we presumably have one left, plus Jack again. I doubt all three of us are bad.

Sorry for almost lynching you, but we can’t just stop playing mafia when you go to sleep. You were a suspect. People voted for you. The timing was unfortunate but that’s just part of the game.

A suspect for what? Because I have wrong check? I was not suspected, what did I gain from claiming? Almost roasted. And the other 2 "cops" who somehow claimed only when there are only 3 hours left and whose results is yet to be proven are good. How? And both voted me together with you while I was sleeping. Nothing to see there right? "Unfortunate timing".

nutella, poutanko, sprityo, timmer
GOOD

DH
GOD

Rest
SHOOT

...I think Sloonei is Town. The timing of Jack/Luna claim is close to EoD. Say, if the wagon on Sloonei continued and he flipped town (I think I see someone wanting the wagon to continue), that would give more cred to their claim because of "correct check". I'm just not sure if Luna-Jack are scum buddies, that's too crazy. It's the timing that bothers me. Did Jack claim before or after DH's pressure?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:47 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:40 pm ...I think Sloonei is Town. The timing of Jack/Luna claim is close to EoD. Say, if the wagon on Sloonei continued and he flipped town (I think I see someone wanting the wagon to continue), that would give more cred to their claim because of "correct check". I'm just not sure if Luna-Jack are scum buddies, that's too crazy. It's the timing that bothers me. Did Jack claim before or after DH's pressure?
Not really following you here. I think you're on a different wavelength than the rest of the thread atm. Sloonei and Luna are town. And iirc Jack didn't claim until after DH stated in the thread that Jack had claimed in their floo chat; after this Jack talked about what he claimed.

...I'll read later after work.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:10 pm Do either of the two cops that aren't Jack have anything to add lmao.

Luna is the only one who can still function. I'm a spayed rabbit

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:20 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 5:16 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:45 pm I really do not know how to argue against this. I sent DDL my action immediately after the Jack flip so your guess is as good as mine but seriously, use the time that you have and figure out who you’re voting for after me cause I’m not Jack’s partner.
I blocked you. Maybe that would cause Mac to get a nothing result but it seems like he should see what you tried to do
TFW you admit to blocking the guy who said he'd block the Outted mafia
.....I forgot about that lmao. I was gonna block kara but changed when I realized they had been inactive.

...but Kara was your strongest scum read.

Kara made 3 or 4 posts during D5 so she wouldn't be modblocked N5.

[mention]nutella[/mention] He started new wagon on Glorf when there were 2 wagon on LC and Colin. Since LC is scum and he dodge his wagon and not voted Colin to save LC I wonder if Colin is also his team mate.

Colin sounds to be genuinely frustrated. I remember someone saying he's usually cool under pressure.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] can you point out which post of Timmer that make you think he might be bad? Saw you saying his claim sounds believable but your vote is still on him.

Going to watch Grindelwald tonight ~

[mention]juliets[/mention] couldn't it be N3 instead? Although they or someone else have to block me too to not get a result.

Colin, DH, Luna, Jack, Sprit have played with me on Outpost. MacD - idk if he followed the game since he's lynched D1 on that one.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:08 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:22 am @juliets couldn't it be N3 instead? Although they or someone else have to block me too to not get a result.

Colin, DH, Luna, Jack, Sprit have played with me on Outpost. MacD - idk if he followed the game since he's lynched D1 on that one.
I am assuming it was night 2 because you got a result and if someone used obliviate on you you would still get a result. I guess it's possible someone used obliviate on you night 3 AND someone else used a role block but that seems less probable to me. I don't remember you being under suspicion so that would argue that the baddies used up two abilities on you. Possible just not in my mind probable.

I didn't think about that possibility. Only told no result (not failed or anything, just nothing) and that I lost my Divination. That prompted me to claim D4. I assumed it's done N3 because of the no result was told on same post as me losing the spell, didn't think of that angle you mentioned (me not getting result because of the spell being erased N2).

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:17 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:14 am Colin sounds to be genuinely frustrated. I remember someone saying he's usually cool under pressure.

@Lunalee can you point out which post of Timmer that make you think he might be bad? Saw you saying his claim sounds believable but your vote is still on him.

Going to watch Grindelwald tonight ~
I've considered timmer might be bad from process of elim. But looking at his posts he looks town, and I'm moving my vote off him. Perhaps to Colin. Nutella brought up some of his interactions with/about Long Con, and he really doesn't look that great.

Colin definitely looks the worst from his interaction with the confirmed scums, Jack avoiding to vote him/LC and him voting me together with Jack and didn't move it (previously he asked to keep Sloonei's wagon after your claim and when it's between Jack and me, he chose to keep his vote on me - you're guilty of this too

). But then, I green checked him. Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

What do you think of Nutella's and Mac's night action claim on Colin?

I think it's between Colin and Luna too given their stance on voting me with Jack.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 pm This is the only thing that confuses me about you and Colin. I know we're down to one scum, so you can't both be bad. But you supposedly got an innocent read on Colin. First, the chances of having two divination users who are both town in this game are already slim. And second, if town was really and truly blessed with two cops, then why would you be targeted twice to get two bogus reads? And if it was so easy to mess with your reads, why not keep you as an active cop, and keep giving you bogus reads? There's too much that doesn't make since here.

The tone of this post sounds like you're pointing your finger at me. The bolded part bothers me because:
>You said you didn't counterclaim me D4 because DDL told you it's possible.
>If you believe it's slim then why didn't you check me N4 or N5? Instead you went with DH and then Kara.
>You went as far as voting me to get lynched last DP along with Jack, a scum.

You said we're down to 1 scum followed by me and Colin can't both be bad. Are you implying to say that 1 of us has to be bad? Have you forgotten the fact that if not for DH shoving some sense on people last DP, I would have been dead? Either Colin is scum or both Colin and me are town.

More likely Jack's team mate voting the same as him. I was the one voted on to save his ass. You and Colin both voted me with Jack.

You said why would scums targeted me twice to get bogus read while there's a possibility of my target getting dodo'ed. Or Secret. I still don't know what happened to Speed 2.0 and Quin's results.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:57 pm But actually I think sprityo kiiinda slipped a lil

What slip?

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 2:59 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:55 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 pm This is the only thing that confuses me about you and Colin. I know we're down to one scum, so you can't both be bad. But you supposedly got an innocent read on Colin. First, the chances of having two divination users who are both town in this game are already slim. And second, if town was really and truly blessed with two cops, then why would you be targeted twice to get two bogus reads? And if it was so easy to mess with your reads, why not keep you as an active cop, and keep giving you bogus reads? There's too much that doesn't make since here.
The tone of this post sounds like you're pointing your finger at me. The bolded part bothers me because:
>You said you didn't counterclaim me D4 because DDL told you it's possible.
>If you believe it's slim then why didn't you check me N4 or N5? Instead you went with DH and then Kara.
>You went as far as voting me to get lynched last DP along with Jack, a scum.

You said we're down to 1 scum followed by me and Colin can't both be bad. Are you implying to say that 1 of us has to be bad? Have you forgotten the fact that if not for DH shoving some sense on people last DP, I would have been dead? Either Colin is scum or both Colin and me are town.

More likely Jack's team mate voting the same as him. I was the one voted on to save his ass. You and Colin both voted me with Jack.

You said why would scums targeted me twice to get bogus read while there's a possibility of my target getting dodo'ed. Or Secret. I still don't know what happened to Speed 2.0 and Quin's results.
You're right. Our options are:
You're scum and Colin is town (doesn't seem likely, but still an option)
You're town and Colin is scum (which seems to be your standing, correct?)
You're town and Colin is town (in which case I'm at a loss of who to vote).

Also I've been meaning to ask, what makes you so willing to discredit your own cop check on Colin?

I don't

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 4:14 am Colin sounds to be genuinely frustrated.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 amHigher possibility of it being correct check.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 1:09 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

[mention]MacDougall[/mention]
N1 - Bullz scum
N2 - Colin town
N3 - Jay no result, obliviated

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] [mention]juliets[/mention] [mention]Lunalee[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]sprityo[/mention] [mention]timmer[/mention] Any of you targeted Jay N3 and got a result? I wonder if Jay has Thestral resulting in me getting no result (instead of me getting blocked).

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:30 pm Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

Was talking about any action that has clear result

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:29 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 5:24 pm If the Horcrux isn't Sprityo then in my view:

- Mac
- Colin
- Nutella because I dunno if I buy "I forgot that Colin offered to block the mafia, and I blocked Colin lol oops"
woah, I missed that last point. That really doesn't look good for nutella.

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am What do you think of Nutella's and Mac's night action claim on Colin?

There are several posts talking about it at the beginning of the day and I even asked you about it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:11 pm I don't really like my vote on Mac, but I don't know who to move it to now. Help.

Also @poutanko why are you voting for me?

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:24 am I think it's between Colin and Luna too given their stance on voting me with Jack.

And you're trying to twist my word about my stance on Colin. Also previously saying the possibility of 2 town cops to be slim yet didn't counterclaim me D4 and didn't check me 2 nights in a row

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