The Syndicate

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:11 pm I just asked you why you are willing to vote Colin after you copped him and got town. I'm not twisting your words, just trying to understand your though process a bit better. I didn't claim until I did because I was getting checks and didn't want to get lynched. If you'll notice, I used my town-firms to steer the conversation in the thread the best I could without revealing anything. The reason I didn't cop you was because your tone sounded very town, and there were other players I suspected more than you.

...I never vote him

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 8:30 pm Pout, i roleblocked Jay on night 3

Wait... Thestral and RB which one is the priority? [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention]

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:20 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:06 pm
I get that mac looks town, but who's bad then?
I'll try to rank (I generally hate rainbow lists etc.)

In order of badness

1. Sprityo
2. Colin

big gap

3. poutanko

gap

4. nutella
5. juliets 2.0

big gap

6. Luna
7. DH
8. Mac

I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:29 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:26 pm
I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.
A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.

...I don't get it

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:32 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:31 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:29 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:26 pm
I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.
A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.
...I don't get it
I saved you bish

Lol I know you saved me. Have to question you since your block on Colin (and someone mentioning the possibility of you being Jack's team mate trying to look good by voting him knowing he couldn't be lynched)

Now that I think again, no reason for you to claim to block Colin if you're scum

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:43 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:32 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:31 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:29 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:26 pm
I still don't get why you think Sprit's vote on Jack is bad. He's not even a late voter.
A late Jack voter would be MORE civ, not less. Nutella's Jack vote, for instance, is significant, much more so than sprit's.
...I don't get it
I saved you bish
Lol I know you saved me. Have to question you since your block on Colin (and someone mentioning the possibility of you being Jack's team mate trying to look good by voting him knowing he couldn't be lynched)
That's precisely what we're saying sprityo is guilty of

Wasn't he an early voter? He said there were 6 votes on me 2 on Jack, for what reason he voted Jack if he's not in danger of getting lynched?

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:23 pmbasically if there is a serious case against her, I'll need to seriously reread it because I'm not seeing it.

Someone mentioned this before:
She voted Glorf and stayed on him during LC v Glorf wagon near EoD3.
Voted me and stayed during Jack v me wagon EoD5.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:46 pm what do you think of sprityo claiming to have blocked Jay on night 3? I don't remember him ever expressing suspicion of Jay

No reason for him to claim that either, it helped nothing. He's getting most votes already

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:49 pm Right but I think either he felt that was still a safe distance and wanted to look like he wasn't on the wrong side of history if you died and flipped town, or that was part of his plan to make it look like a natural turn on Jack/so that he could point to it later. Reread his posts from earlier today where he defends this point-- it looks like a conveniently prepared answer to me.

...oh right...didn't see it that way before.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 9:52 pm The two biggest points in Luna's favor imo are (1) her claim saved Sloonei and was basically the pivotal point in turning the lynch away from him (which ultimately culminated in catching scum, so why wouldn't the scum just sit and let the easy Sloonei lynch happen) and (b) her huge kerfuffle with INH (would have to be a major distancing act)

Did she ever pull such tactic before? How many games have you seen her as scum?

[mention]nutella[/mention] thoughts on MacD and Timmer? How familiar are you with their scum play?

Are both of them vet players (oldfags)?
I know Mac is considered a big fish, some people mentioned it, what about Timmer?

It won't be as simple if a vet player/big fish involved in here and Jack acted so smug.

6000 posts

Oh..wait wrong

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:45 pm This isn't productive. Not pro town by the numbers, and stating stuff like this openly at the beginning of night just invites scum to do something screwy in their favor. Better for you to actually try to convince us of your townieness. I still think it could be Luna and I even think there's a crazy possible world in which DH pulled a Firefly Golden on all our asses (but Jesus DH I swear to fuck mountain if that's the case I'm gonna.... )

lol nutella, DH has no reason to switch the lynch on Jack's direction if they're team mates

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:24 pm an nobody would have started suspecting Jack if I had not said anything.

uh no...it's DH who called him out. Not you or anybody.

I still think it's between Luna and Colin. DH switched the lynch direction when it's only like less than 2 hours(?) left with the last vote from Nutella that decided the lynch being very close to the vote lock. Don't think Jack's team mate would have the time to think of a tactic to counter that (or changed the vote) without looking suspicious. I did consider player who didn't vote (Juliet) and player who was not present (MacD). Juliet has Glorf truth meta while MacD was vouched by Timmer. He even put MacD higher than DH. Those 2 should be cleared. Colin checked green so
[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:43 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 8:42 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 7:24 pm an nobody would have started suspecting Jack if I had not said anything.
uh no...it's DH who called him out. Not you or anybody.

I still think it's between Luna and Colin. DH switched the lynch direction when it's only like less than 2 hours(?) left with the last vote from Nutella that decided the lynch being very close to the vote lock. Don't think Jack's team mate would have the time to think of a tactic to counter that (or changed the vote) without looking suspicious. I did consider player who didn't vote (Juliet) and player who was not present (MacD). Juliet has Glorf truth meta while MacD was vouched by Timmer. He even put MacD higher than DH. Those 2 should be cleared. Colin checked green so
[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
But I did vote, just not for Jack.

...was talking about the stance between Jack wagon and mine

[mention]juliets[/mention] I considered you 2 because it could be that Jack was convincing enough to get people to vote me that his team mate may not be the one on my wagon. You and MacD were on neutral ground that time. You were present but didn't vote any of us. MacD was sleeping I think? Didn't mention you yesterday because Glorf truth meta. I did wonder about MacD but Timmer said he's sure he's Town implying a mechanic check.

Didn't quote because of getting logged out again.

Sorry....I thought it's just a cute emoji. It's not meant in serious way ._.

It's morning here, other players (I think mostly live on the other side of the globe) might be busy or sleeping

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Colin definitely looks the worst from his interaction with the confirmed scums, Jack avoiding to vote him/LC and him voting me together with Jack and didn't move it (previously he asked to keep Sloonei's wagon after your claim and when it's between Jack and me, he chose to keep his vote on me - you're guilty of this too ). But then, I green checked him. Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

What do you think of Nutella's and Mac's night action claim on Colin?

[mention]juliets[/mention]

MacD still looks Town to me

if he's scum, why would he give Elixir to Timmer?

What fat? Some of you speak unknown version of English

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:43 am It's just hard to believe the civs had 2 cops.

You can just say it directly instead of throwing shade like that.

Luna doubted me as cop yet didn't check me.
Doubted my result yet didn't check Colin.
I feel like being purposefully hanged.
And you have no right to throw that shade when you're not the one almost getting lynched D5. I can be polite, Juliet. But I have my limit. If you have problem, say it straight instead of throwing shade like that. I'm done with this bullshit.

Okay sorry. Luna said the exact same words to me before.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:43 am Either Luna is lying here or there really is another cop who is bad because the mafia had to divine Glorf night 1 or night 2 to learn he had the Phoenix and then Imperio me on night 3. Is there another way they could have known Glorf had the Phoenix power?

It's just hard to believe the civs had 2 cops.

If maf have access to both Hogwart ability and Dark art, they might have used both Divination and Crucio. That's 2 a night. If they have Invigo potion and combine it that could be 3 per night.

...lynch pou while she's away 2.0

I'm Town. I have Amortentia (made it N4, shoved it on Jack N5) and dodo.

Currently on vacation, I've mentioned this before. If I'm still alive next DP I'll lend you a hand to lynch myself so I can enjoy my vacation fully

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:54 pm Somehow I didn't see that you were on vacation pout but thanks for reminding us. What are the strongest clues we have that you are civ? I want to make sure I understand your defense of the accusation that you are mafia since it sounds like you won't be here much.

Not like I have many results, I got scum cred for wrong check on Bullz

I still think Colin is more likely town (unlikely to be imperio'd again if that's what happened N1, don't think I'm turned into insane cop because obliviate was used, I've explained this before). Higher possibility of him being Town still.

I keep voting Bullz D2 D3 because of my result if that means anything.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:54 pm Somehow I didn't see that you were on vacation pout but thanks for reminding us. What are the strongest clues we have that you are civ? I want to make sure I understand your defense of the accusation that you are mafia since it sounds like you won't be here much.
Not like I have many results, I got scum cred for wrong check on Bullz
I still think Colin is more likely town (unlikely to be imperio'd again if that's what happened N1, don't think I'm turned into insane cop because obliviate was used, I've explained this before). Higher possibility of him being Town still.
I was asking for the strongest clues that are out there, in your opinion, that show YOU to be civ. What things should we be pointing to and saying "See, Pout is civ". I'm not looking for who you think is civ, I'm looking for things that make YOU civ. I'm looking for those things because the chances are good we will be talking about whether to vote for you or not tomorrow. We did that today but you weren't here to defend yourself. So another way for me to ask this is "What do you say in your defense to people calling you scum?"

They are wrong. What benefit do I get from claiming I got guilty on Bullz? All I see I was being dragged on due to him flipping town. I attracted attention when it's not necessary and no benefit I got from it.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:32 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:02 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 8:54 pm Somehow I didn't see that you were on vacation pout but thanks for reminding us. What are the strongest clues we have that you are civ? I want to make sure I understand your defense of the accusation that you are mafia since it sounds like you won't be here much.
Not like I have many results, I got scum cred for wrong check on Bullz
I still think Colin is more likely town (unlikely to be imperio'd again if that's what happened N1, don't think I'm turned into insane cop because obliviate was used, I've explained this before). Higher possibility of him being Town still.
I was asking for the strongest clues that are out there, in your opinion, that show YOU to be civ. What things should we be pointing to and saying "See, Pout is civ". I'm not looking for who you think is civ, I'm looking for things that make YOU civ. I'm looking for those things because the chances are good we will be talking about whether to vote for you or not tomorrow. We did that today but you weren't here to defend yourself. So another way for me to ask this is "What do you say in your defense to people calling you scum?"
They are wrong. What benefit do I get from claiming I got guilty on Bullz? All I see I was being dragged on due to him flipping town. I attracted attention when it's not necessary and no benefit I got from it.
Ok, thats a start but ignore the false read on Bullz. What have you done to show you are civ besides post your two cop checks?

What have I done to be read as scum?

I tried to post my read or pointed things that attract my attention. Many of them were ignored or forgotten that I had to repeat. It's not as bad before Bullz flip. After his flip it felt like whatever I said was not considered seriously.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:44 pm I don't want to vote you if you're civ so take this opportunity to tell us how we should know you are civ.

I tried my best with the time I had.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?

People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?
People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?
Well, the caveat to the truth meta argument is that maybe Glorf for the first time lied about his alignment.

True but Iirc you said he claimed town after vote was locked. No effect on the lynch direction. As for you yourself, for what reason if you are scum, claimed to use Phoenix same night INH was revived? That's unnecessary. Same thing with Nutella claiming to block Colin when he can simply be lynched due to Mac's result on him. Which mean you two are more likely Town.

DH and MacD had quite an argument I'm yet to read.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:47 pm I really don't think Poutanko is the last Mafia. I find it extremely hard to rationalise the Speedchuck false red peek thing, it's such a dumb Mafia move.

Which leaves... nobody really. Colin if it's obvious. Anybody if it's deep wolf. Juliets, did she scumslip? Did Glorfy lie?
People keep mentioning Glorf truth meta, doesn't that mean she's confirmed town?
Well, the caveat to the truth meta argument is that maybe Glorf for the first time lied about his alignment.
True but Iirc you said he claimed town after vote was locked. No effect on the lynch direction. As for you yourself, for what reason if you are scum, claimed to use Phoenix same night INH was revived? That's unnecessary. Same thing with Nutella claiming to block Colin when he can simply be lynched due to Mac's result on him. Which mean you two are more likely Town.
Are you saying there was evidence sufficient to lynch Colin despite your green peek on him?

>Colin said he's going to block Jack
>Mac said no, no action from Colin
Saw both DH and Mac pressuring him for that because it looks like he's lying about his action. If you're scum you'd just let it happen

Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH

Already said if I survive tonight, you guys can lynch me

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] you said you wanted to lynch Mac several times during D7 but never voted him. Instead, you voted Colin while saying you prefer to lynch Mac. Why?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:38 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:26 pm If you had info or something you should have said so. Pinning her towniness on her Sloonei related behaviours isn't good enough when everyone looks like a civ.
Making this post before a Luna flip is not a good look.
Howwwww
Abdication of responsibility for a flip you knew would be bad for you.

"We had no choice but to lynch the civ cop Luna, DH never came forward with any infodump that proved she was civ"

How did this make Mac look bad? Luna flipping Town indicated Mac is uninformed Town more than scum. If he's scum it's more likely he would do things that made him look good aka lynching scum and saving town. Mac got nothing from Luna lynch.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?

....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:55 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:54 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:50 pm ......If Mac were bad he'd be the last teammate of Jack who can't be lynched so which scum would he lynch to look good, himself or his unkillable teammate?
....and your argument for wanting me to get lynched is? Jack wanted to lynch his own horcrux? Is that?
Jack busing you for cred is just as good as being unlynchable.

How safe his claim is really? Wouldn't take long before he's questioned.

In that bussing scenario, isn't it better for 1 to lead a mislynch then 1 to save the would be mislynched? Both maf would survive and the white knight maf would get town cred while the outed maf would be immortal.

Aw yeps

don't mind me. I'm just a couch potato ~

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:48 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:35 pm Nutella&Juliet locktown. Colin green checked. If there's a deep wolf that's between Mac and DH
Did you forget my green check on purpose or what fam.

DDL himself said on his OP, cop check could be fooled so

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.

Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? [mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention]

I'm not someone who said 100% sure Jack was scum before

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:37 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:32 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:08 am Don't think scum would Imperio'd me twice or me hitting a dodo'ed target twice in a row. If scum have a "secret" to turn me into insane cop, they wouldn't obliviate me. N2 might have another way to fool invest (if Polyjuice is in the game - it should fall under potion ability, need 1 night to make) but Colin was not that high on sus list. Higher possibility of it being correct check.
Nope my stance on Colin is clear. Doubt that I would get 2 wrong check ~ What's the chance of Luna got all correct check? @nutella @DharmaHelper
.........k lol

don't get what you were arguing about colin earlier then

I didn't argue about Colin -.- I was pointing out why I town read you. It's you claiming to block him that indicates you're more likely town when you can just let people sus him more about his no action result if you're scum.

Dammit...

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:35 pm Sorry I was in the shower but WOWOWOW pout was bad. Nice game @poutanko now get yourself over to A World Asunder and sign up!!

30 players game...

Can't wait to see EoD

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