The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:36 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:34 pm You voted Bullz too why didn't mention this?
Because I am a nutcase and cannot remember all of the crazy things that I do.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:41 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 11:14 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 10:33 am
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 12:59 am
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:03 am GTH babey

ColinIsCool - town
DharmaHelper - town
insertnamehere - town
JaggedJimmyJay - town
Kylemii - scum
Bullzeye - town
Epignosis - town
Glorfindel - town
Owner of a Lonely Heart - town
poutanko - town
Soneji - scum
juliets - scum
Long Con - town
Lunalee - scum
MacDougall - scum
Quin - town
Jackofhearts2005 - town
karavalenge - scum
lapluie - town
timmer - town
>why did you read Jay as Town then scum this DP?
>do you still has same read on MacD? You voted him last DP.
>what made you read lapluie as Town?
Considering how vague Nutella’s suspicions on me are and how her case on Jay is just “fight me,” this rainbow and her current suspicions look made up.
and you quoted me because?
Because I didn’t want to mess with the quote on mobile to only have Nutella’s rainbow?

You know I'm yet to decide my read on her and you quoted me while giving your opinion about her. You can just click the arrow and get her original post to quote if that's what you're after

[mention]timmer[/mention] now explain how the hell you vouched Bullz if you're blocked??

I thought I was missing something since people dropped interest on Bullz/Tim after the talk with Jay claiming to block him and ended up with lynching Soneji. Explain the logic here, I'm not getting it??

[VOTE: timmer] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:49 am
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 12:39 am K, so my Pat's game is over, so I can get back to this.

Guys, I always write the way I write in this game. I don't like to push ideas if I'm unsure of them, so I always make clear that I'm unsure. It's how ive always posted in mafia. So if you are going to lynch me for it, honestly I'm prob done for good. This is the very reason ive gone such long stretches without playing, this happens every fucking time.

And long con, really? That post of mine that you said you found troublesome? I was describing my job. I was at work. Its what I do.

I'm sorry I have no major ideas to push. I'm clearly not cut out for this.

The only useful thing I can tell you is that there really may be something to the idea that the dead baddies aren't necessarily bad. And there may be a serial killer attached to it.
Duuude, I was kidding around. I'm not going to vote you because you are a psycho killer in REAL LIFE. This is Mafia.

Seriously, that wasn't me coming after you. Like I said after reading your ISO, I don't suspect you.

Explain how?

[mention]Long Con[/mention]Point out which posts of his that look good to you. You didn't even think about how weird him vouching for Bullz just like that? Why?

[unvote]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:32 am In which I review poutanko, who has enjoyed a cushy soft cloud of a game to this point

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poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?

...I'll re-read the thread in the morning, too sleepy to translate these Pumpkin Throwing fest between DH-Owner, JJJ-Juliet-Epi-Quin on first impression both Owner and JJJ come off as too strong going after their targets. Idk if JJJ is normally like this (some said he's sus, some didn't react even a bit), he doesn't seem like new here albeit he doesn't have grandpa vibe yet. Owner - last time I played with her and she's scum, she didn't tunnel this much. Her reasoning is weird tho but she's always weird by default

This post is idle commentary on thread events and contains no stances taken. The highlighted Owner bit comes close to being a stance, a civilian read based upon a difference from a previous mafia performance, but it is diminished with a prompt caveat of "weird tho", which itself is further qualified with "but she's always weird". I am annoyed at myself for not noticing this language until now, because it's icky.

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poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 8:29 pm karavalenge a bit too aware of your image, no? How many games have you played before this one?

Done re-reading. Nothing odd from what I see of Juliet-Epi-Quin interaction.
JaggedJimmyJay you moved your vote from Quin to LongCon, what's your read on Quin now?

Questions are nice, but their value is determined by follow-up should it exist. I'll see as I review the ISO here.

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poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:05 pm Had something to do IRL, you can chill

Also, Colin is my strongest town read He just said whatever however and whenever without thinking much (if any at all). Dude is filterless. Same with Luna and Nutella although I will put Luna under Nutella (she's not as bold as Nutella but she was like this too on Outpost game, not as bold as I'd like her to be). Out of your scum read I only agree with Kara but it's not because of picture tell

Other than Fav 7, Fav 8, This Town Called Home (you rolled scum in 2 of those 3), is there another game we're both in before?

Some people that catch my attention next

I like the way poutanko presented her positive read on Colin here, in that it sort of suited its own description -- concise, clear, and without filter.

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poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:43 pm Jay
do you have a "good" read on Glorfindel because he stroked your ego (he said you're a good player, yet to be proven, I only see nutcase ), "good" read on Novase who has 0 post and it's "bad" for Lapluie who only has 1 post because you're just good at reading people or because you know for sure they are? Teach me how to read people without post, O senpai ~

Kara
>"I am a town. Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it."
>"No, I clearly didn't want to say it myself, but felt like I was pressured to."
when no one pressured her/asked her directly/no vote on her
Based on what she said, she only had played 1 game before this one aka newbie. I'm aware if newbie player tend to do scummy things without them intending to do so but those 2 posts gave me impression she wanted to maintain a certain image instead of just being herself. Is it normal for real town to worry like that?

Bullzeye
Already addressed by several other players with his weird vote and comment he left before voting.

LongCon
What he said about Bullzeye and him thinking those who sussed Bull as weird make his reaction the weird one to me. Which part of Bull's post/vote timing/vote choice that looks normal to him?

poutanko's questions for me turned into a small Thing, so there was follow-up at least in that discourse. I don't feel like sharing all of it, but here's a link if you care, dear readers. Her concern on karavalenge reflected my own pretty closely -- blatant scumminess that is more concern for a brand new player than for a veteran.

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poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:56 pm INH gave me impression he's buddying the newbie like what DH did to me on Outpost. Him giving limited read on other players feel similar as Juliet. Guarded. He jokes more here than on Outpost tho.

Bullzeye you're asked about your read on your voters. At least you can do that much?

This is a negative assessment of INH, though it isn't stated clearly as a suspicion. The negativity is itself rather "guarded", as poutanko described INH himself. That's not my favorite thing.

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poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 2:36 am Soneji voters: Juliets, Lunalee, timmer, Jackofhearts2005, JaggedJimmyJay
I'll ISO them later.

Who's the one leading the vote before it went to Soneji?

I thought this whole angle of investigation looked pretty natural. This amounted to numerous other posts, including those in which she gave me crap for forgetting myself and my Bullzeye vote.

~~~

@poutanko, you can address the first point I made which is a bit poopy. Generally though I think she looks fine. Okee dokee.

Owner always make weird posts regardless her alignment (which makes it hard to read her early) but on the games she's scum (2 games out of 3 I remember playing with her), she didn't tunnel. She would go after her sus but not to the level she did to DH here.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 05, 2018 2:44 am @poutanko, I can see in your post history general trajectories and with them may come implied reads, but there isn't total clarity.

Who do you most trust?

Who do you least trust?

Multiple names per question would be super.

I'll go with what I feel/impression I got. I haven't ISOed anyone again.
Most:
Colin still
nutella - actually looks like female Colin but then D2 happened. I haven't reread her posts but the general feel about her is still the same as my initial impression I got from her.
MacD - looks like lazy Colin, Colin is more hyper? this one is lazier.
kara - frustrated newbie town, I will feel easier about her if she starts posting again.
Luna - should be Town looking at her interaction with INH and their tone, not as easy as my initial feel of her.

Least:
Bullz/Speed 2.0 - I don't trust him still. I was thinking timmer/bullz/LC could be team mates (with timmer vouching Bullz after novase flip -unexpected judging from the reaction- and LC looking like he's trying to lessen the pressure on Bullz by brushing it off as something normal). Timmer's claim sounds genuine, I still feel uneasy with the other 2.
LongCon - on and off town/scum feel. His reaction on Bullz vote was not what I expected. People sussing Bullz for his weird vote on Novase is what I think would be the normal reaction, not his.
DH/you gave me uneasy feeling. Both of you are vet players/oldfags. DH just fooled me completely on Outpost. Nothing look sus if I think about it but something doesn't feel right.
Glorf - your creepy fan
timmer was here but his claim and the way he said it feels genuine.

Add Owner on most with Luna as INH is scum.

[VOTE: speedchuck 2.0] aubergine
Do better than your predecessor.

Colin is good.
Bullz/Speed is bad.
Idk how I can be clearer than this, you guys are so dense

I kept my vote on Bullz/Speed for 2 days in a row ffs.

I did reconsider some fuck up happened to me or my target but
>LC lynch was failed
>no town ability that might cause that
>"hey I think LC is good because 3/5 something something"

Add to his D2 lynch that went to someone else. Yeah, scum.

If someone know whoever targeted me last night that person might be scum.

....it's not read
N1 - Bullz
N2 - Colin

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:22 pm Some sort of redirection doesn’t seem like it should be out of the question.

I did consider that but his behavior/post so far don't convince me to read him as town.

N3? Gee I wonder

Alright, I have to prepare my breakfast and go to work. Tag/quote me if you need anything. I'll post more later

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:23 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Lynch him. The mafia rezzed INH and could have shenanigans planned, even if unlikely. They weren’t ready to lose speedchuck today.

Wait, I prefer we have 2 wagons, main wagon on INH and smaller 2nd on Speed (in case there's a lynch redirect - this thing is common on NF).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:28 pm I’m confused. Who are you talking about here?

That's to Speed actually, sorry. I have problem multiquoting (keep getting logged out).

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:23 pm [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

Lynch him. The mafia rezzed INH and could have shenanigans planned, even if unlikely. They weren’t ready to lose speedchuck today.
What’s the evidence against speed?
Pout says she has a cop check on me.
How did I miss this?

dude...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:25 am @poutanko What did you check night 3?

Jay, got no result and obliviated.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 7:59 pm If someone know whoever targeted me last night that person might be scum.

I didn't come out of nowhere today for no reason to whoever making a snarky remark about it

Also, the correct priority should still be INH > Speed > Slowner to whoever want to put Slowner as 2nd wagon

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 11:24 am Jay - town because he doesn't bus teammates in the same way he did INH
nutella - town because tone and meta and everything else basically
DH - Town because he is
Mac - Pisses me off. Town because tone. Mafia because upset with vig kills and promoting bogus theories. Waffles.
poutanko - Town because she is sweet and innocent and has good scum interactions and because no scum would fake a cop check right now right?
Quin - Possible liar, unless he was misdirected. Townread otherwise.
Colin - Town because cop check and I've been reading him town all game. Cares about the roof.
kara - Town because genuine emotion in early posts
Jack - Weakest townread for me, but seems genuine
Luna - Town because she's made way more mistakes than she does as scum
Sloonei - Was only town because lack of self-preservation. Long Con flip changes that. Fake, scum, blegh
sprityo - No reason to townread whatsoever
timmer - Still town yo
speed - No corruption, Rigged witch hunt (seriously vig me tonight so you can use my analysis and info)
INH - Scum

Guessing that there are at most 6 scum. Long Con, INH, Nova, Sloonei, and two of (Mac, Quin, Sprit)

Game solved.

I will quote this post before the end of each phase so it is relevant when I die.

This is why I don't care that much about the cop check. I'm on the verge of my first civilian win in ages. I contributed. I can use my death to catch scum by townfirming my viewpoint and my night info. Heck, I already got nightkilled by the mafia on night one, which is a badge of honor to be worn.

That said, just because I don't care about the cop check doesn't mean Mac and whoever posits that I'm too calm to be mafia aren't going to piss me off. What was I supposed to do, rant and scream at my computer when I saw the check? Call Poutanko scum even though that doesn't make any sense? My wife was in the next room, and I'm pretty sure that would be BTSC.

So many townread here

Alright

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 pm I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.

Isn't it the same if you choose to watch Timmer instead?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:20 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:16 pm I watched Long Con because I knew something would happen there, and I could possibly get townfirms or scumfirms out of it. Vigs, protections, etc. It worked, sorta. Quin threw a wrench into things.
Isn't it the same if you choose to watch Timmer instead?
Watching people means you see who visits them. If I wanted to see where Timmer would go, I'd track him. (if I even had that ability)

And then I still wouldn't see if mafia tried to protect Long Con.

Watching Timmer might give you:
>those who kill/block/redirect him - scums
>those who protect him - town

Watching Long Con might give you:
>town vig
>fellow scum trying to protect him

Isn't it better to watch Timmer instead of LC?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:35 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:27 pm Watching Timmer might give you:
>those who kill/block/redirect him - scums
>those who protect him - town

Watching Long Con might give you:
>town vig
>fellow scum trying to protect him

Isn't it better to watch Timmer instead of LC?
Well, I was hoping to only get one of the two, and have an actual firm. Instead Timmer didn't visit and I got Quin and ??? with some kind of screwed up nonsense.

Maybe Timmer was another good option in theory. But then again, scum probably killed Epi last night, so I'm pretty glad I went for the target that actually died. I don't regret that decision.

What's your point?

I don't think you care about timmer. I think you're scum trying to find out if there's another vig and town RBer.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:46 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:39 pm I don't think you care about timmer. I think you're scum trying to find out if there's another vig and town RBer.
You're wrong, and I don't care what you think about my alignment. I already have a cop check on my head. I'm going to be lynched or vigged, and I'm going to flip town. There's no point in scumhunting me at this point, because my fate is sealed either way.

When I flip town, I want my findings to be used to win the game.

Regardless, I did watch Long Con to try and catch the Vig. I believed that was my best option, because I had no idea who the mafia would target with the nightkill.
"Of course they would target the vig, speed."
Why not the cop? Huh? Or whatever Epi was?

I made the right choice. I got some information. When I die, you had better pay attention to it.

What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:01 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 12:52 pm What made you think maf won't do anything to Timmer other than trying to kill him? They might still block or redirect him.
I don't know why you are sitting here criticizing my choice. Really feels like you're attacking my logic rather than my alignment.

There was a town kill night one even though Timmer was roleblocked. The whole vig game and mafia targeting game doesn't revolve around Timmer and those that visit Timmer. Long Con was an immediate interest and priority.

I'm trying to understand your way of thinking. You don't seem to have any interest to find scums there. If someone block/redirect timmer instead of killing him, you'd still catch them. On the other hand if you're scum, watching LC is a good way to get 2nd vig if there's one and our RBer and why would you watch timmer if you know what will happen. You say I'm just criticizing your choice? Your logic is not town logic.

I'm keeping my vote. Good night.

ColinIsCool - like

DharmaHelper - ok
JaggedJimmyJay - ok to like

Speedchuck 2.0 - don't like (╬￣□￣)
juliets 2.0 - like

better than her predecessor
Sloonei - bad with relation to LC, good with relation to INH. He doesn't give a weird vibe

Lunalee - ok to like
MacDougall - not lazier Colin but crazier Colin
nutella - like

Quin - ok

Jackofhearts2005 - forgettable
karavalenge - forgettable
sprityo - ...who? (￣_￣)
timmer - ok

Don't have time to ISO all but that's what I feel. MacD mentioned some scenario with DH being actually LC's buddy sounds too crazy to me. I like DH's logic there but if Speed is scum I'll put those who try to discredit me/make Sloonei as 2nd wagon-move it from Speed more attention as sus, DH included. The other being Kara and Timmer. You ningen better to apologize to me after his flip

Also, Speed - Quin my brain can't catch up. If anyone can make a graph that explain it easier that would be helpful

[mention]juliets[/mention] Back up wagon

Idk if maf has anything to redirect the lynch or make it fail again and INH vote was still valid yesterday. Colin should be cleared now.

Quin should be cleared also unless maf has another member with patronum.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] It's Divination. What I think:
>Timmer vouched for Speed and said his kill was redirected to novase that made him read Speed as Town. This make sense for me to get guilty result if Speed dodo-ing himself to novase. He said he didn't have it. There's Jay's block on Timmer also.
>I might be Imperio'd to target someone else and ended up getting guilty but that's weird, it makes more sense if maf redirect me to inno target instead of a guilty one (it's N1). Some dodo might switch my "new" intended target to a guilty one.
>No Imperio on me and some dodo hit Speed but then how did it end up with novase if Speed has no redirect himself? Novase was modblocked. More than 1 dodo?
>Secrets

Speed's posts, his interaction with LC, LC defended him and vice versa (Speed especially on N3) - not town. Act like scum, talk like scum, I won't call him Mathilda

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:32 pm So are we presuming that INH accidentally killed himself on night 2? I would very much like for that to be the situation.

Then who killed Juliet 1 and someone else?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:40 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:32 pm So are we presuming that INH accidentally killed himself on night 2? I would very much like for that to be the situation.
Then who killed Juliet 1 and someone else?
My theory is that the mafia killed Kyle, and inh used his skrewt on juliets, and she used a hippogriff. I don't have any evidence but it's my pet theory

We have odd night vig, there should be even night vig. I think 1 of them should be our vig's kill.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:43 pm i dont get it but i agree wholeheartedly that i should be confirmed town

INH have patronum, you have patronum. You should be Town if no same ability on maf team

It's the face you make when you say "Dude please"

[mention]juliets[/mention] I didn't say confirmed, I said "should be" town if there's no same ability on maf team. Remembering maf have access to 2 abilities/night and they are smaller in number, I incline to believe there's no identical ability within the team. This will help with their "claim" as town too if DDL cares about that. Usually it's like that on NF. Only wonder if DDL follows other NF host. For role madness game, it's expected to have a copy ability (is there a spell/magical item to enable this?)

if no such thing exist, dude should be town.

Colin used Thunderbird to prevent any vote fuckery. I don't see a reason INH was revived if not for his abilities (like to survive the lynch). So he doesn't have horcrux or something like LC.

Wait...he could have it

Okay, maybe not Colin if he knows there will be no vote fuckery. But he checked inno and I feel good about him so

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:32 pm @poutanko who could you gimme eight players you believe to be the least likely members of the mafia team?

Me

No particular order:
Collin
Luna from interaction with INH
Slowner same reason as Luna. LC saved her could be just scum tactic to make people buy his towniness had people lynch her
Nutella
Glorf/Juliet 2 because truth meta
You (don't do same thing as Negan ok)
Quin
DH from LC lynch (unless it's like what MacD said)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:42 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:32 pm @poutanko who could you gimme eight players you believe to be the least likely members of the mafia team?
Me
No particular order:
Collin
Luna from interaction with INH
Slowner same reason as Luna. LC saved her could be just scum tactic to make people buy his towniness had people lynch her
Nutella
Glorf/Juliet 2 because truth meta
You (don't do same thing as Negan ok)
Quin
DH from LC lynch (unless it's like what MacD said)
So by POE you'd be left with a suspect pool comprised of:

speedzeye
Mac
Jack
karavalenge
sprityo
timmer

timmer is a standout name here. What do you presently make of him?

Because he said I came out of nowhere with my claim. Same as Kara and DH. If Speed is scum, timmer has the reason of trying to discredit me for that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:54 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:48 pm
Because he said I came out of nowhere with my claim. Same as Kara and DH. If Speed is scum, timmer has the reason of trying to discredit me for that

Does timmer's vigilante claim move your read in either direction?
[/quote]...now that's the question. He claimed odd night vig on D3(?) and no counter claim so far. Only possible if he really is the vig or one of the dead townies was the real vig.

...that quote tho

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:11 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 08, 2018 9:32 pm @poutanko who could you gimme eight players you believe to be the least likely members of the mafia team?
Me
No particular order:
Collin
Luna from interaction with INH
Slowner same reason as Luna. LC saved her could be just scum tactic to make people buy his towniness had people lynch her
Nutella
Glorf/Juliet 2 because truth meta
You (don't do same thing as Negan ok)
Quin
DH from LC lynch (unless it's like what MacD said)
I am extremely disappointed in you.

It's not impossible but it sounds too crazy

@JaggedJimmyJaySloonei for 7th person, I've given my 6 before. Don't think he's scum but if you need 7

@Jackofhearts2005 another one who try to discredit me. BTW, that talk about Speed's reasoning to watch LC instead of Timmer, I've talked about it during DP. Nothing new there, you're just parroting what I said

[quote=JaggedJimmyJay post_id=494724 time=1541788558 user_id=402]

Sorry that failed quote, I kept getting logged out so I tried to delete it.

I didn't delete/edit the post with failed tag. What I meant to say is I tried to delete the quote part from my draft (is that the correct term?) because I kept getting logged out if I add it. Ended up with part of it deleted from my draft before I posted and already posted before I can remove that part properly. I hope that's clear enough >_>

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:07 pm Oh I completely forgot about timmer. Yeah he could be bad, damn it.

And poutanko's speed check was allegedly night 1 (but she didn't claim it til day 4)
I can think of two answers to the poutanko question you raise but I'd rather hear it from her. @poutanko why did you wait for day 4?

...because there's this possibility of him being town and I was getting imperio'd. If Timmer was redirected to novase as he claimed it made sense for me to get a guilty on Bullz and that made him town. To out myself D2 is no-no. Bullz refused to give a read and there were 2 other wagons, Owner and Luna along with Bullz that ended up with Soneji. Bullz vote on novase and him coasting after "vouched" doesn't look good. I still sussed him but not sure enough to claim. D3 Timmer claimed to shoot him N1 (that matches with what I thought earlier of Bullz dodo-ing himself), Speed 2.0 didn't talk much either. He did say he didn't have dodo. D3 have LC and Colin wagons iirc and suddenly Glorf wagon near EoD. He said LC was a terrible lynch option yet voted him anyway. During N3 he even defended LC. No way I read him as Town after that. I was obliviated too N3 so no reason to keep the results anymore.

@DharmaHelperIf you're so sure there's scum in Hufflepuff why don't you lead a lynch on any of us?

I'll post my thought on Colin, Quin and who I sussed.

I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 pm I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.

...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:25 pmI don’t see a world where Colin is scum and Pout is town.

We can try by lynching you, afterall you did make a wagon to counter LC/Colin wagon and Jay did go after you

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:03 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:27 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:22 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:19 pm I won't lynch Quin. Speed's flip gave us both scum cred not town cred. Why didn't scum keep Speed alive for today's lynch? They haven't found even night vig or no reason to keep Speed alive aka better if he dies? The lynch would be directed on Quin or me.

Why did they kill Jay after keeping him alive for so long? Why now? Did he get too close to them for their liking?

Yesterday there were 4 people iirc who tried to put a doubt on my claim. DH, Timmer, Kara and Jack. Could be Town but could be scum who will get "town cred" for "siding with Speed" who of course they knew would flip town.
DH - keep pushing evil Hufflepuff agenda or keep having a beef with Owner/Sloonei. He got a cred for lynching LC tho.
Timmer - vig claim D3 is a bit too bold, more likely town.
Kara - one of PoE, after her meltdown D1/D2? rarely post or interact with people. Only her 2nd game so idk.
Jack - one of PoE, one of people Jay went after yesterday. Have a lot of posts but barely stand out. One who started wagon on Glorf D3. If he's scum, I would reconsider my read on Colin. I still incline to believe Colin is Town not only because of my result but also if I was imperio'd N1, less likely I would be imperio'd again N2 unless scum checked me N1. Dodo at work could be but how many dodos are there to cause 2 wrong reads in a row?

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine
You're assuming scum killed speed. I think they killed Jay, and the vigilante killed Speed. Because keeping Speed alive would have kept him in the game as a suspect who was likely to be lynched.
...I did read as Jay killed by scum, and Speed by vig. Scum could redirect the vig if they want to keep him alive or protect him (just to keep a distraction). But clearly they didn't care if he's alive or dead because, they won't be suspected, is what I think.
Poutanko do you think scum knows who the even night (or whatever) vig is? What makes you think so?

They may or may not know hence my comment on either redirect the vig or protect Speed. It's possible they know the vig if scum have invigo potion to double their cop ability (they have crucio too), we're already on D5 now. For protect maybe not if one of their own was in danger (this is more related to what I think of why they killed Jay tho)

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:09 pm Ugh poutanko is giving me sketchy feels now

I feel so unsure of everything anyone could be scum all of you are mafia and none of you are free of sin

You can lynch me to confirm, I'll be busy starting this weekend too

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