The Syndicate

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:16 pm alright. I am going to vote for rey (b/c he texts and drives and I want him to know he could wreck and kill people that way) because my vote doesn't mean anything anyway and I cannot save myself, and you all have no clue what you are doing.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:32 pm An ISO of Day 3 to determine what went wrong:

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 8:35 pm That's certainly an odd choice for a nightkill, but at least that takes someone major off my suspects list. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine because everyone else has given me more reason to believe they're town than her.

My P4:

sabie
Jack
reywaS
Audrey

The start of the day saw me have my sights on sabie, for reasons explained in N2.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:00 pm Well that's an odd kill choice. I agree with leetic that it seems like a frame job on rey and is likely [VOTE: sabie] aubergine.

nutella agrees.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 9:44 pm Sloonei was pushing town forward. This doesn't feel like sabie, it feels like somebody more sophisticated (hopefully no insult, because it really wasn't intended!) Frame-up on reywas is possible but also obvious enough that basing our decision on is is gross and WIFOM-y. I think this was just trying to silence a potential town leader.

But bob doesn't. Interestingly, seems to foreshadow later events...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 24, 2019 11:21 pm Yeah, that kill is pretty mindboggling. Sloonei's last couple posts looked decent but everything else was pretty bad. We have consensus townreads in Bob and Nova.

I tend to agree the Sloonei kill was about Rey. Either it's because Rey is scum and he wanted to get rid of his biggest detractor or it was to setup Rey. If it's the later, it means the wolf gave up a potential mislynch on Sloonei to make a mislynch on Rey more likely (and it's already a fairly likely event in a world where Rey is town). That points to a wolf that is very secure in their position or a wolf that doesn't have a plan beyond today.

Sloonei just put forth a townread on Sabie but lots of people have been suspicious of her. I don't think she kills him in this scenario, even to push a Rey mislynch. Cause if that works and we lynch Sloonei and Rey, Sabie because one of the most suspicious players with several mislynches to go.

Nutella doesn't shoot Sloonei here. Leet doesn't shoot Sloonei here. (Jack doesn't shoot Sloonei here.) They're on the edge of POE. Why shoot a player that could eat a mislynch while sparing players who never will and put themselves in more POEs than they would be if they had shot Nova or Bob?

Putting aside tinfoil of a Bob or Nova wolf who wouldn't give a damn about POEs cause they're not really in them, I think the kill choice points to Eloh, who had basically no reads by EOD yesterday (until she suddenly townread Speedchuck) or Audrey, who is in the same boat. Those are the players I can see shooting Sloonei.

[VOTE: Elohcin] aubergine

Talk to me about your Speedchuck read. Why did you think he was a civ an hour after you told me you had "not a clue" about his alignment?

The turning point of the thread. This day's lynch wagon wasn't too different from speedchuck's, with Jack starting it and me and nutella securing it.

Then drama about not being able to vote, then my ISO, then...

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:07 pm Without having time to catch up as yet I'm tossing a vote on leetic. Eloh train seems a decent one.

bob tosses a vote on me without explanation, and avoids the Eloh train as it picks up traction without explicitly condemning it. Hmm...

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:17 pm After reading elo posts I still am leaning against her.

If elo is bad these are my thoughts.. A lot of her posts are about speed and her indecisiveness on him. She had one post saying one of his posts was kind of suspicious but mostly unsure or he's civ on the others. In the poll she says she thinks hes civ and rey is civ so sloonei says who else would you suspect and she just says she thinks I'm bad and votes me with no real explanation. If she voted there and no one else did then she wouldn't have to be held accountable for a civ lynch or participate in killing off a teammate. Maybe the indecisiveness was to cast doubt on our suspicion of speed and if enough people went with that they may not have votes him.
Not saying being indecisive is necessarily always bad because it is hard to figure out who the baddies are sometimes. I think for me because it was all just about speed who really didn't even put up a fight to being lynched is where my potential suspicion comes from.

I see a vote on leetic. He has been very over zealous and focusing on some things like Reys in Italy reads that probably dont mean a lot but I haven't played with him before and am not really familiar with his playstyle or anything.

I'm voting elo for now but open to hearing other thoughts if they come up. I also will try to look back on some others and see if anything stands out to me.


Bob why do you say kill analysis is blech? Do you mean because you really cant glean much from them as far as who might be bad? I could see that as the two people killed were very vocal civs that got conversation going.

Sabie joins the wagon, a bit late similarly to D2. And after that point, the wagon exploded with both Audrey and nova joining (very late in the phase) and making an Eloh lynch inevitable.

What are my thoughts on this? Well number one we have @reywaS, the only person not to vote and who did not contribute anything to town today. It is sometimes a scum strategy to do nothing and let the town destroy themselves in situations like this, and if that's scum's strategy, it seems reywaS is the player who shows the signs of executing this. I townread reywaS due to other interactions, but I definitely want him to answer to this. Secondly, and I know I'm gonna get a target put on me for doing this, but can we have another look at bob and nova? Both townread due to D1 interactions but they haven't done too much afterwards and you'd think with people universally townreading them they'd be able to get a lot more done for the town. Sabie is the same, a bit suspicious but her vote doesn't seem that much more scummy than the other votes around that timeframe. Audrey is similarly nonexistent. Seriously guys, be more active! Only one page for an entire day phase is not good, and stuff like this is how scum wins games. We were doing so good, we have to finish this!

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Feb 28, 2019 4:16 pm *sigh* No activity? If I have to put pressure on people to promote activity, so be it. @reywaS tell me why I should not vote you right now.