The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:23 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:38 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 pm You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?
Damn you're his teammate.
I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?
rundontwalk is teammates with DDL.

Before I get into this, let me explain why I believe DDL is bad.

First, I got the impression that he was keeping me on his good side by talking up my exercise and wanting to give me more time to devote to it. He's not questioned me once. That sort of thing is designed to keep me comfortable, but it's also meant to keep me comfortable with him.

He agreed with me about the usefulness of my thing.
He agreed with me about the overabundance of people's posts.
He agreed with me about JJJ counting Quin's posts.

That's just what I remember.

Second:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 9:37 am [VOTE: Iron Dwarf] aubergine

This came up and I liked the points made, especially Nutella's. Then I looked at his ISO and didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either. Day 1 is mostly smashing Epi for the don exercise thing, then on day 2 he argues a bit more but gets off Epi's back. Coulc be a calculated move to get out of a lynch nobody is interested on anymore. Then a vote on RDW out of nowhere. Lots of "salad", I think. He is contributing, but not in a way that gives me a good vibe.

Right now I think I have much more civ suspicions than bad ones, so this one is one of the slightly bad ones.
This is full of hedging language ("didn't particularly hate it but didn't love it either," "Could be a calculated move," "I think"), and the irony here is that he calls the post "Lots of salad," despite the fact that DDL tied his vote to not one, not two, but three other people: nutella, me, and rundontwalk.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 12:45 pm If Sprityo is ring he roleblocks the entire town when killed (delaying our investigations and giving easy kills to the mafia) which makes him a primary candidate for bussing. So his insistence on being an easy lynch (the kind of thing that usually makes people want to lynch you more) and posts that suggest he doesn't care about it could be an attempt to be lynched.

Granted, this is subjective, and Sprityo could just be misinterpreted. But even then, the ring is a player who should be trying to be lynched before their teammates.
I addressed this "good catch," as DDL called it earlier. It's foolish. An efficient mafia team is not interested in getting lynched to role block people. Role blocking everyone is insurance, not a goal.

I have no evidence that the underlined is true. Some have said their votes don't count if they vote first. That's not a boon. Is it at all a stretch to think that sprityo has some weakness to lynches?

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:38 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 pm You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?
Damn you're his teammate.
I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?
I believe rundontwalk is accusing MacDougall of doing what he himself is doing.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:45 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:44 pm Why would Mac sacrifice a scummate who currently has zero votes?
Because assumption will be he is town. Every single time I'm scum I sacrifice a scum mate when convenient for me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:46 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:41 pm If dragon is scum is indicative of Mac being town
That is the crappiest reason for a vote I've heard all day.

Anybody can look town if you lynch their scum suspect.
That's because it's not a genuine vote.

Cool story, bro.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:31 pm Of the posts you've cited, Epignosis, the one I find most compelling is the first:

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:40 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:38 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 4:36 pm You would say you know Dragon is scum @MacDougall ? And that if you are wrong you have to die? And if you're right you still might have to die in case you're sacrificing scummate?
Damn you're his teammate.
I am if he's town. My concern is you're doing what I would do and sacrificing scummate for town points. Are you?
That does have the scent of TMI.

I'm hesitant to play let's pair teammates together when we haven't flipped a single role, but RDW should discuss his degree of confidence in DDL as a mafia read.

I think he's slightly more likely to be scum than MacDougall. Idk if he's scum. My point in saying that was that like if gwilikers is scum I don't think y'all should think I'm automatically town. Likewise I could see scum Mac trying to get a free ride to finish line

Also do note I voted for DDF because I don't really care if he dies, just I don't think MacDougall should be confirmed town. At time I thought Mac claimed he knew DDF was scum based on some power role, which would be easy to fake

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:38 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:36 pm I think he's slightly more likely to be scum than MacDougall. Idk if he's scum. My point in saying that was that like if gwilikers is scum I don't think y'all should think I'm automatically town. Likewise I could see scum Mac trying to get a free ride to finish line
I "could" see that too. It is a possibility among many. Is there a particular reason you have for suspecting that is the possibility of interest? What about a civilian MacDougall being suspicious of DDL?

Mac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:44 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm Mac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game
MacDougall would call you his son to cause confusion later in the game?

It wasn't just that. It was the other early interactions too.his claiming to know I'm scum to see who would bite.

It was a pattern of behavior that suggests scum trying to tie himself to a particular town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:47 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:38 pm @Epignosis which do you see as being the more likely crime boy, between the two of DDL and RDW?
I don't consider either one more likely. I just said I find them partners, which means I find them equally likely.

We're not partners. We're not married. We don't rob banks together. We don't run a small business firm as a joint enterprise. And I'm not Mafia and have nothing to do with Mafia, so if he is, I'm not.

Lowkey JJJ is my wildcard scum pick after gwilikers

Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:51 pm People to watch Imo
Mac
Jjj
Rundontwalk
Longcon
Kyle
Nutella

Keep an eye on dunya as well, although she'spinging me the least. Just don't like people giving her the pass because of post count.

Please do watch me. Watch. And learn.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:56 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pmMac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game
how would this work

Mac dies, revealed scum

Everyone goes off to search his post history and has to ask themselves if his posts about me were WIFOM. I, an innocent townie, suffer

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:44 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:42 pm Mac being weird about trying to Buddy me earlier in game seemed scummy. Calling me his son

Looks like something scum would do to cause confusion late game
MacDougall would call you his son to cause confusion later in the game?
It wasn't just that. It was the other early interactions too.his claiming to know I'm scum to see who would bite.

It was a pattern of behavior that suggests scum trying to tie himself to a particular town
Do you presently suspect MacDougall?

Nah

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison
I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?
Depends on if they are scum with you or your town and they are just parroting you because of your status here. Not sure why "interesting" in the post context would be confusing to anyone who has passed middle school tbf.
Your clarity is shit. Write better.

[VOTE: rundonwalk] aubergine

Town JJJ has always known when I'm town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:00 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:52 pm I already argued this with you. You are either being purposefully daft to what I meant (especially since I explained it afterwards and you still kept pushing me being vague), or braindead . Pick your poison
I'm not the only one who didn't know what the hell you meant. You've loved to cite "other people" in this argument. Here's one for you. Is everyone who doesn't know what you meant either bullshitting or braindead?
Depends on if they are scum with you or your town and they are just parroting you because of your status here. Not sure why "interesting" in the post context would be confusing to anyone who has passed middle school tbf.
Your clarity is shit. Write better.

[VOTE: rundonwalk] aubergine
Town JJJ has always known when I'm town
Town JJJ got his ass handed to him by Davie Bowie mafia RDW in #86.

But my point is I'm not mafia which makes me question your scumdar which in turn makes me wonder if you are scum if your scumdar is this broken

Super town JJJ wouldn't be wasting his time on me run when you've got people like Kites who are more obviously likely to be scum

That JJJ would come after me, if he's town, is especially offensive seeing as how I body guarded him last night.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:53 pm The Dr.White is an easy lynch. JJJ is going after easy lynches early on. Dr.White? Iron Dwarf?
Fuck off with this "easy lynch". Is he a civilian?
I don't know. I think you're bad and gunning for easy an lynch. Dr. White has hardly been here, and you're lynching him out of 20+ people?

Nah.
I give absolutely zero fucks about your read. Take it, crumple it up, and throw it in the trash. It's shit. It's no good. Pull out a fresh sheet of paper and try again.
[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

You think me and DDF are on the same Mafia team and you choose to vote for ........someone else?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:12 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am That JJJ would come after me, if he's town, is especially offensive seeing as how I body guarded him last night.
Why would you bodyguard the stronger bodyguard?

AFAIK bodyguards cannot bodyguard themselves?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] why would you not vote for me or DDF given your theory? Have you abandoned it? If so congratulations and you are forgiven.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:18 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:13 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:04 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:02 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:53 pm The Dr.White is an easy lynch. JJJ is going after easy lynches early on. Dr.White? Iron Dwarf?
Fuck off with this "easy lynch". Is he a civilian?
I don't know. I think you're bad and gunning for easy an lynch. Dr. White has hardly been here, and you're lynching him out of 20+ people?

Nah.
I give absolutely zero fucks about your read. Take it, crumple it up, and throw it in the trash. It's shit. It's no good. Pull out a fresh sheet of paper and try again.
[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine
You think me and DDF are on the same Mafia team and you choose to vote for ........someone else?
Are there more than two people on a mafia team or am I in a better position than I thought?

Your vote is baffling because your theory is by killing me you can prove DDF's alignment

Kill JJJ and you don't prove another persons alignment

You don't actually believe you own theory about me

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:21 am "Prove?"

Prove beyond a reasonable doubt if you will

I would say Epi is a top scum candidate except his role suggests town

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:24 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:21 am You don't actually believe you own theory about me
So, in order to believe in something, I have to:

a) Be absolutely married and committed to it, no matter what else develops in the thread
b) Not be allowed to vote for anyone else for any reason
c) Maintain utmost confidence throughout the end of the Day phase

Get back to me on that.

So you lost faith in your theory? Do you right now believe I am Mafia on a team with DDF?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:25 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:24 am I would say Epi is a top scum candidate except his role suggests town
What is the purpose of this comment?

That I'm genuinely confused re: Epi. His vote on you doesn't make sense if he genuinely believed I'm scum. If town he should vote for me.

But would scum have a Lynch cancelling role?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:27 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:14 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:12 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:08 am That JJJ would come after me, if he's town, is especially offensive seeing as how I body guarded him last night.
Why would you bodyguard the stronger bodyguard?
AFAIK bodyguards cannot bodyguard themselves?
that's not the point. Jay isn't an info role, so he'd be more likely to be kill targeted by successfully body guarding the right person. but then he has a 50% chance of surviving that cus he's a paladin. body guarding jay would probably bypass that 50% and make you die in his place even though he might have survived without being targeted, assuming you're a cavalier. it's unnecessary risk

I didn't make my night action a math problem. I just figured scum would target strongest player

AUBERGINE

UNVOTE DDF

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:32 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:25 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:24 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:21 am You don't actually believe you own theory about me
So, in order to believe in something, I have to:

a) Be absolutely married and committed to it, no matter what else develops in the thread
b) Not be allowed to vote for anyone else for any reason
c) Maintain utmost confidence throughout the end of the Day phase

Get back to me on that.
So you lost faith in your theory? Do you right now believe I am Mafia on a team with DDF?
Where do you get this?

I have one vote. Not three. If I had three votes, DDL would get one, JJJ would get one, and you would get one. Hell, you'd probably get all three.

The death of me is, per your theory, tied to DDF and vice versa unlike death of JJJ.

Which is why it doesn't make any sense for you to use your one vote so illogically

You said me and DDF are partners. You're not voting for me or DDF. Voting for JJJ does nothing to provide evidence of this alleged partnership.

You don't actually believe we are partners, and the question is why?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:48 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:38 am You said me and DDF are partners. You're not voting for me or DDF. Voting for JJJ does nothing to provide evidence of this alleged partnership.

You don't actually believe we are partners, and the question is why?
How does voting for DDL (not DDF, as you keep saying) provide evidence that you are partners with him?

If you think we're partners then the answer is obvious

Yo [mention]Dr. White[/mention], let's vote out Epi

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention]

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:57 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:55 am Yo @Dr. White, let's vote out Epi

@JaggedJimmyJay @MacDougall @nutella
Fine.
[VOTE: rundontwalk] aubergine

Lol. How easily your vote can be manipulated.

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:58 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:53 am
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:05 am Also if me and jayjay are just civ-civing than epi is defintely trying to use knowledge of me not being mafia to paint jayjay in a bad light
Could be.

"Going after easy targets" is weak in the absence of a civilian read on the alleged easy target. RDW is an easy target.
Who is rdw?

He's a great guy. You'd like him.

Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do.

[mention]nutella[/mention] what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:13 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 am @nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.
I don't think you did

Yes I did.

Dude says me and DDL are partners. Votes for someone else.

Ummmm what?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:15 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:14 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:13 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:11 am @nutella what do you think of me having to force Epi to go with his theory? He doesn't believe I'm scum.

I clearly won that exchange, thank you.
I don't think you did
Yes I did.

Dude says me and DDL are partners. Votes for someone else.

Ummmm what?
He thinks your alignments are tied, but he may suspect someone else more. Makes total sense. Anyway his vote is on you now, you happy?

I think his vote on me makes a hell of a lot more sense given his theory. It bothered me he didn't vote for me

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:20 am I could go for lapluie if that's on the table. As it stands it is between cbob and Dr. White, and I'd prefer to lynch the latter but I prefer rdw over either if he can still get enough votes. My preference out of the likely candidates at the moment would be rundontwalk > lapluie > Dr. White > colonialbob. I dunno what happened to lynching Quin though

"I'll go for whatever. The only good civilian is a dead civilian." - nutella, February 16, 2018

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:24 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:22 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:20 am I could go for lapluie if that's on the table. As it stands it is between cbob and Dr. White, and I'd prefer to lynch the latter but I prefer rdw over either if he can still get enough votes. My preference out of the likely candidates at the moment would be rundontwalk > lapluie > Dr. White > colonialbob. I dunno what happened to lynching Quin though
"I'll go for whatever. The only good civilian is a dead civilian." - nutella, February 16, 2018
excuse me what?

You are excused.

You don't care who is lynched is what I got from your whatever attitude towards lynching lapluie.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:29 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:25 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:20 am I could go for lapluie if that's on the table. As it stands it is between cbob and Dr. White, and I'd prefer to lynch the latter but I prefer rdw over either if he can still get enough votes. My preference out of the likely candidates at the moment would be rundontwalk > lapluie > Dr. White > colonialbob. I dunno what happened to lynching Quin though
personally: TSP ~= Iron_Dwarf > Kenway > Dr. White > Kites/RDW. But in the interest of self-preservation I'll vote for whoever has the most votes and isn't me, obvi.
I was just talking about the people who are actually likely to be lynched; I have other suspects and I don't know that I would say rdw is my top suspect overall.

You literally just said I was your top lynch candidate

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 1:29 am Ugh I'm feeling really hesitant about this just remembering how strong my civ read on rdw was on day 1. Maybe I'm completely misreading how he's been handling this high-pressure situation. Aaaaaa god this lynch is stressful

If you think I'm scum stop being hesitant and vote for me. If you're really town scum are going to keep you around because your inability to take a stand serves them.

See it's baffling Epi would switch vote from me (I might be lynched) to some one who isn't gonna be lynched

Sorry lads a lurker is not going to die today, I want an active player to die so we get more info

Sorry lads a lurker is not going to die today, I want an active player to die so we get more info

Leaning towards Dr white

[VOTE: DrWhite] aubergine

MacDougall you shouldn't have done that IMO.

Look at the people who voted for Dr White they looked townier to me

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:04 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:03 am MacDougall you shouldn't have done that IMO.
White is imo a civ. If cbob is a civ then too bad. It shouldn't have been between them so you can blame everyone not just me.
....but lapluie

Lynching lurkers is for cowards

sig wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:09 am Who pushed this lap cfd

Jjj

Nutella
Irondwarf
Gwilikers
Ddf

There be scum in that pile

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:13 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:13 am Nutella
Irondwarf
Gwilikers
Ddf

There be scum in that pile
Maybe the top one.

Certainly and town should block her

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:37 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:14 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:13 am
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:13 am Nutella
Irondwarf
Gwilikers
Ddf

There be scum in that pile
Maybe the top one.
Certainly and town should block her
Absolutely NOT, what a twisted notion.

nutella TRACKS tonight. If she's Civ, obviously that could be huge. If she's bad, then she has to tell us what she got anyway, and it's something to analyze. What we absolutely don't want to do is block her. We should track her. Maybe I'll track her. Probably not.

What if she sends in kills?

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