The Syndicate

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:25 pm It would be pretty #ballstothewall though, wouldn't it?

Indeed.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:29 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:46 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:00 pm TSP is the Shaman: "Forbidden Knowledge - Each night, you may choose a role from role list and reveal any secrets or background powers associated with it. Using this on scum roles too often without using it on enough draft/promotion roles will result in negative consequences."

This would be a very odd baddie role, because why would a scum use this on a scummate?
It's a role that the scum might want to snatch up so the town can't learn their secrets. (and while I'm writing this I see this has been answered already)

That being said, I wouldn't want to mislynch the Shaman if Tony is civ after all, but I'm really not feeling good about him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:06 pm Aaaahhh, yes I see. Yes, the scum would want to own the most dangerous roles to them. If Tony is scum then, the player who drafted him into the Shaman is also scum.

Hey that's me and I resent the assumption He requested it, I didn't think for too long about it and I was still trying to wrap my head around all the roles so I didn't even consider that it was a role the scum might want to claim. I was more wary of Wilgy asking for a killing role. I think I must have associated info roles with townies wanting them, and I wanted to keep the draft going relatively quickly so I unfortunately didn't think about it for too long.

If I unwittingly gave such a powerful role to the mafia then it is my duty to repent by lynching the guy D1

Also, he still hasn't explained his mysterious accusation of Kyle, has he? Wtf was that about?
I'm getting weird feelings about this post. Why are you already apologizing for giving the shaman role to scum when we have no idea what Tony's alignment is? It looks like you're backpedaling when there's no need to. Someone had to give the shaman role to someone blindly. Why are you trying to distance yourself from it, and do you really think it would be a good idea to lynch Tony knowing what we do about that role?
I'd just feel bad if he turned out to be scum and I was responsible for giving him that role, and since I suspect him for other reasons I was afraid that may be the case and if so it would be best to get him out of the way. But if not it would suck to lose him. Given what he's said recently about the role being hard to fake re: revealing scum roles, I'm a bit more inclined to give him a chance to prove that and so we can learn about some roles in the meantime. So I am backing off him for now and actively looking for a better vote candidate.

How delightfully unequivocal of you. "I think he's probably scum but I don't wanna lynch him because I'd feel bad, and you know, and you see"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:34 pmSkyyyylerrr

Sup

Nutella, if you don't want us to lynch the guy you think is scum, should we lynch you instead?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:36 pm @rundontwalk I do not think he is as likely to be scum now since he pointed out how his role works and how it would be hard to fake (though that still has to be proven). He was my top suspect, but I am backing off now for good reason.

Back in my day I faked being the most powerful town player as scum (town cop). Nothing is too difficult to fake.

unvote Marmot
vote: Nutella

Gth, who would you kill right now? Think carefully as this person actually will die. I have a secret day kill.

I don't have a day kill but ty.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:49 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:46 pm @DrWilgy
@Iron_Dwarf
@lapluie
@rabbit8

at least one of these people has got to be mafia. get in here and talk
Because ...?

Theory : Nutella is scum who just listed 4 civs to screw with our heads after being lynched

[mention]gwilikers6[/mention], you seem to be in a go-get em attitude? Why? Especially, why vote for Nutella so soon after I did?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:57 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm I looked at nutella's ISO because of that post and to me, it's characterized mostly but non-commitment. So far she's made two votes this one for Mac, which demonstrates my point nicely. Look at these phrases: "Can't decide how to feel," "Maybe it's excusable," but apparently it's enough for her to place a vote. Looks like she's trying to dip her toes in the water with a case that was already floating around, but trying not to commit too much in case it didn't pan out.

Which it obviously didn't. Here is the one strong stance nutella seems to take. And she backs down from it 2 hours and 2 posts later here. Again, very very noncommittal. And only because you don't think Mac would fake not knowing his alignment as scum? I can certainly imagine Mac doing that.

All this trepidation combined with that weird post on giving Tony shaman is enough for me to VOTE NUTELLA
ah, you've never played with me though. if there's one thing that characterizes me as a player it's being waffly and noncommittal, especially early in the game when there is little to go on. I'm constantly going back and forth on my reads as the discussion develops and I change my mind a lot on day 1 in every game I've ever played. And I use noncommittal/hedgey language all the time, just being honest that I am unsure of anything. sometimes I even change my mind while writing a stream-of-consciousness post and flip flop on someone. I always get suspected for this and I've tried to play more assertively lately but it's really difficult for me, I always end up waffling

If I wanted waffles I'd go to Denny's.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:58 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:50 pm I don't have a day kill but ty.
I figured. I think it's a decent question to ask of anyone/everyone at this stage

I didn't wanna ask everyone, I wanted to ask you. Your attempt to deflect attention to others is noted.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:02 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
No it's not just that, it's that they haven't posted at all during the day phase. They need to say something. Anything.

Say something, I'm giving up on you
I'll be the one, if you want me to
Anywhere, I would've followed you
Say something, I'm giving up on you…

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:03 pm
gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:56 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
I think the idea is more that they're lurking in general. Them not answering Epi's request is coincidental arising from the fact that they're not saying anything.
also the syndicate is famous for having lurking scum members so this is a prod at "at least one lurker has to be scum". it's not fool proof accurate or anything, but it's a running gag.

Lurking scum were famous on RYm too

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:11 pmSkyler

Yes?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:10 pm Colin and nutella talk about each other plz
hm I think I feel pretty neutral about him

Of course you do

In the epi v. Colin exchange, Colin comes out looking scummiest

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:27 pm I like that Epi post a lot.

Syndicateers, thoughts on the recent MacDougall/RDW interactions?

You didn't ask me but I'll give you my opinion anywayz.

Idk what MacDougall is doing. He won't respond, and the idea he could be buddying me crossed my mind.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?

Rather good point

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
I'm a fucking troubadour. I get the luxury of not caring if I'm Night killed.

The only explanations I can think of is 1. You're town with a bulletproof ability or 2. Scum

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:36 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
No thanks. You're telling me that Epignosis should be broadcasting his intentions, whatever they may be, thus neutralizing their potential, all so he can avoid a night kill which is by the numbers already unlikely?

I hate this reasoning.

Epi doesn't have an equal chance of being nightkilled. He has higher change if scum think he has important power.

Surely scum Colin would not be dumb enough to refuse the 4 names

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:42 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
Rather good point
weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?

If they are top suspect of town then they should go willingly to death to clear things up after saying their peace, but why make yourself target of scum

In the context of not fighting a lynch it's more likely to help town save time if you're too controversial and need to get out

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:45 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:42 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
Rather good point
weren't you the one saying that townies should never be afraid to die?
Skyler scumslipped. I know his meta. He scumslips all the time.

It's impossible for me to scum slip because I'm not scum

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:46 pm when has town skyler ever gone down without a fight?

I don't fight as much as when I'm scum.

Like when town then fine lynch me and you'll see you're wrong

When I'm scum I care about staying alive more

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:47 pm skylar is rundontwalk?

I go by many names

Iron_Dwarf wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:04 pm I think this was the most recent tally. Please correct me if wrong.

AUBGERGINE TALLY

[2] Marmot - Long Con , rundontwalk
[1] rabbit8 - colonialbob
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - nutella
[1] sprityo - Dragon D. Luffy
[1] Quin - dunya
[1] Dr_White - JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Marmot
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Dragon D. Luffy - Iron_Dwarf
[/b]
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Not Voting: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, DrWilgy, gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie, MacDougall, Quin, rabbit8, sig, sprityo

I unvoted to Nutella, gwilly then voted for nutella

Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 8:40 pm @nutella
LC is playing really suspect especially his earlier post, and now he is falling back on more excuses like him being really bad. Kites was doing something similar in that he'd pop in, talk about how much he doesn't understand stuff, and that he'd contribute later. I always find that play sus. I may have come on a bit strong in the moment, and while I do still there is good odds about them, not as certain.

I think Kyle, Runningdude, and maybe Tony are new watch targets. Kyle dude has been playing very apprehensively, and when he tries to contribute to conversation it seems a bit forced or reactive. Runningdude seems aggressive but in a scum manner of trying to pin stuff on people, and Tony is a tone/intuition read from his post.

Overall I'd be most comfortable with a Mac, LC, or Running lynch. If we wanna go big fish hunting then it's JJJ. JJJ responded quite weird to me when I mentioned him backing colonial up so strong that early as interesting. He's kept quite a strong tone towards me since than, and hasn't really explained why he's made two post since then (a vote in the subsequent one) sussing me. I'd like to know why I am one of his biggest suspects and he feels so strongly about my lynch.

Um, I'm a big fish too

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:22 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:16 pm Also can I get meta descriptions for DDL on this forum and nutella by any chance?
They're both pretty variable in their styles, so it's not the easiest descriptions to request (not your fault). Briefly:

I would say a civilian DDL operates in accordance with his own whims and pursuits, and doesn't necessarily concern himself with prevailing dialogues (though he doesn't avoid them either). He is reasonably active and assertive. There has been very little data on a mafia DDL.

A civilian nutella in recent memory has been active and assertive to a point. She plays loose and fires reads into the thread without a lot of concern for the consequences. Mafia nutella has been less willing to take concrete stances.

I would call these metas barely reliable if that.

You've called her out on exactly that Jay.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 9:14 pm naming the players who have not posted this phase is not salad
"I would consider lynching X or Y or Z, or W to a lesser degree..." is prototype salad.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:35 pm Next, I made a quick ISO on TSP and I still think he looks better than Quin, Kenway or Kites (I guess he ties with Kites).

Can see myself voting for either of those 4 names.

So right now my algorithm for the lynch:

1- Save Epignosis
2- If Epignosis if safe, lynch one of the four above.

Okay let's make things fun

AUBERGINE

UNVOTE Nutella

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

I feel like lynch of Nutella is happening to easily

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:01 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:52 pm I feel like lynch of Nutella is happening to easily
I feel the sane about the lynch of Epi.

Then save him.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:05 pm what do the votes look like right now

I think Epi and Nutella are tied.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:13 pm Actually I don't want to lynch either of them.

[VOTE: rabbit8] aubergine

Notably that name is not one of the 4 you mentioned?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 1:35 pm Next, I made a quick ISO on TSP and I still think he looks better than Quin, Kenway or Kites (I guess he ties with Kites).

Can see myself voting for either of those 4 names.

So right now my algorithm for the lynch:

1- Save Epignosis
2- If Epignosis if safe, lynch one of the four above.

See here

Wanna lynch [mention]gwilikers6[/mention] , [mention]dunya[/mention] ?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:23 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:20 pm Wanna lynch gwilikers6 , dunya
Why?

The question is not why, but why not? He would be my wildcard lynch. No real reason.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:28 pm Actually no. Screw this. I'm not voting someone with zero posts. I never do that.

[VOTE: Kenway] aubergine

Will wait to see how this ends.

Throwaway vote and unwillingness to make a stand despite on last page saying you would save Epi is noted

[mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] is the reason for your throwaway vote because you don't want results of probable lynch to blow up in your face? Looks like it

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:33 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:30 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 2:28 pm Actually no. Screw this. I'm not voting someone with zero posts. I never do that.

[VOTE: Kenway] aubergine

Will wait to see how this ends.
Throwaway vote and unwillingness to make a stand despite on last page saying you would save Epi is noted
Oh stop being arrogant. I don't have to join one of your stupid wagons.

If it's still between Nutella and Epi near EoD I'll vote for Nutella.

I substantiated my Kenway vote back then. Have you done the same for yours? Because your vote on Epi was garbage but I didn't see anyone commenting on that.

I wanted to make it closer so people will take a stand, which you're not doing with a throwaway vote

Let's kill Epi

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 pm My civilian lock:

Spoiler: show
MacDougall

My top suspect:

Spoiler: show
rundontwalk

Who dies today:

Spoiler: show
What, did you really think I would tell? Naughty, naughty!

Lol I'm the top suspect, I'm honored

I'm town tho

We should kill Epi cause he said he would do something today but is now hedging and say he will do something tonight. Iow, lying

He's trying to play #ballstothewall and failing as anyone would against me

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 pm My civilian lock:

Spoiler: show
MacDougall

My top suspect:

Spoiler: show
rundontwalk

Who dies today:

Spoiler: show
What, did you really think I would tell? Naughty, naughty!

Why do you suspect rdw?

Cause he's either town with a broken scumdar (Ie, useless especially since he alleges to have misdirect role)

Or scum doing some WIFOM shit

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:22 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 pm My civilian lock:

Spoiler: show
MacDougall

My top suspect:

Spoiler: show
rundontwalk

Who dies today:

Spoiler: show
What, did you really think I would tell? Naughty, naughty!

Why do you suspect rdw?
Cause he's either town with a broken scumdar (Ie, useless especially since he alleges to have misdirect role)

Or scum doing some WIFOM shit
Does your backstory power involve something as strong as a misdirect vote where you can singlehandedly lynch whoever you want?

Nope

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:29 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:15 pm My civilian lock:

Spoiler: show
MacDougall

My top suspect:

Spoiler: show
rundontwalk

Who dies today:

Spoiler: show
What, did you really think I would tell? Naughty, naughty!

Why do you suspect rdw?
He doesn't care about the roof of My Castle.

I get the impression that he does not really believe what he is posting. He exhibits a back-and-forth that looks artificial.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:22 pm In the epi v. Colin exchange, Colin comes out looking scummiest
Twelve minutes later:

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:34 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:19 pm You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.
I mean, why say this? Whether they know what you're doing or not, you are advertising yourself as a threat to them, saying that it's their best interests to stop you from figuring this stuff out. Why would a townie be so confident they wouldn't be nightkilled for that sentence alone?
Rather good point
It was a terrible point.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:39 pm Surely scum Colin would not be dumb enough to refuse the 4 names
This post implies that he sees at least eventual merit in what I'm doing.

Now he says he wants to vote for me because I can't put something together the workday? Please. I don't believe he's suspicious of me.

Who knows what I'll do next

Unvote Epipignosis

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:03 pm Well that's interesting.

Hello fellow mafia players! Fellow inhabitants of Goodguyia, Allyia, and Badguyia.

I have a request for every one of you. Kindly direct all of your night actions at me tonight. Why? Stay tuned and find out on Day 2.

But I'll warn you all now. Don't mess up.

What?

Gwilly and TonyParker have a fascinating vote for who should join Team Rico

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