The Syndicate

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 12:01 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:51 pm It's not me I have no idea what's going on. I literally just didn't have time to be here today.

why were you viewing the thread at EoD then?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:27 pm the problem is i don’t know if you would also try to be like that as scum since you know you would as town, but maybe not? idk how do you think you would play this game as scum and how is that different from what you’ve done?

Mistyx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:43 pm if you need more from me just let me know

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:13 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 01, 2020 9:27 pm the problem is i don’t know if you would also try to be like that as scum since you know you would as town, but maybe not? idk how do you think you would play this game as scum and how is that different from what you’ve done?

If I were scum I would have just voted and killed off a random town and made up some random case for it. I also would not have killed the people who townread me. As town I felt random voting and being unsure wasn't the right move. Apparently that's what everyone would have preferred. Unfortunately, due to the 3 day long days and lack of conversation prior to day 3 I was not able to get a vote in that I could feel good about. My day went all sorts of wrong and got all messed up due to a bunch of factors. It's an unfortunate circumstance where I had things planned a certain way and then it didn't work out.

I am calm though because I'm town and even if I played terrible I can take solace in knowing I played an honest game. I do apologize for not being better. I always think my ideas make sense and then I am reminded that they do not. Apparently, I am too focused on mechanics or something? I've tried to throw out ideas and get some discussion going and it is criticized so that makes it difficult to be here on top of my IRL issues.

sabie, im sorry you’ve felt that way if you’re town. my intention has never been to shoot you down or dismiss everything you say. but i need to question things because i don’t know your alignment. i cannot accept everything you say at face value just as you, if you’re town, can’t except everything i say. if i don’t understand your ideas or ask you questions or say im suspicious of something you say, its not meant as a personal attack or anything like that. it’s just me trying to figure out what your alignment is

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:37 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:20 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm As scum I also am not big on blatantly defending teammates. I would not have made those posts about cayvie if we were teammates. I can see a world where its hally and a world where its mist.
Did hally bus on purpose to get the vengeful kill or did mist defend cayvie on purpose and randomly vote me to get votes off cayvie?

but you didn’t hard defend cayvie. you had some soft defenses mixed with some suspicion. overall i would characterize your stance on cayvie as hedging and reluctant suspicion, not blatant defense. and the former does fit the mold of scum who sees their teammate getting rung up D1

but anyway, lets talk. walk me through the two worlds from your pov. what does the world where mist is scum look like? what things make that likely? what things make it unlikely? and same for me. what things needed to happen for me to be scum? what things make it likely/unlikely?

@sabie12 can you answer the bolded?

also, independent of cayvie interactions, how do you read mist and me?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:42 am i just like

don’t know what to do with sabie right now

she keeps popping in making one or two posts saying “i can see you both as scum and i just have to decide who is more likely” but i don’t see her actually like... trying to decide. or like what that looks like in her head. it’s just reiterating that she has to make a choice, but i don’t feel like she’s actively working towards a decision. it feels like she’s largely been treading water for the past several days

Mistyx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:25 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 6:54 pm

Mistyx wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:43 pm if you need more from me just let me know

Hey look I'm interacting with mist. Hey mist what do you believe are the chances that hally is the remaining mafia?

mmm not all that likely

cayvie grouped them in with hyena in a way that i think means they’re the same alignment as hyena

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:06 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:49 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:37 am

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Oct 03, 2020 8:20 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 02, 2020 7:06 pm As scum I also am not big on blatantly defending teammates. I would not have made those posts about cayvie if we were teammates. I can see a world where its hally and a world where its mist.
Did hally bus on purpose to get the vengeful kill or did mist defend cayvie on purpose and randomly vote me to get votes off cayvie?

but you didn’t hard defend cayvie. you had some soft defenses mixed with some suspicion. overall i would characterize your stance on cayvie as hedging and reluctant suspicion, not blatant defense. and the former does fit the mold of scum who sees their teammate getting rung up D1

but anyway, lets talk. walk me through the two worlds from your pov. what does the world where mist is scum look like? what things make that likely? what things make it unlikely? and same for me. what things needed to happen for me to be scum? what things make it likely/unlikely?

@sabie12 can you answer the bolded?

also, independent of cayvie interactions, how do you read mist and me?

Yes yes I'm working on it. I'm re-reading through things and I mean the most obvious answer is mist.

Mist defends cayvie and randomly votes me with little reasoning. Then starts townreading me. Then goes back to suspecting me. Mist also defends and townreads hally. Mist says cayvies case against hally is legit but also hally is town. Cayvie also townreads mist. Mist also makes it a point to bring up that it doesn't make sense for me to kill off the people who townread me which is true that doesn't make sense. So mist buddying both of us to see which of us to convince to vote off the other.

I guess the main negative against you hally at this point from what I've been reading is the push on MP in the last poll after she accused you.

ok this is better. at least i can kinda see where your head is now

i don’t feel like mist is or was buddying you. i wouldn’t characterize her briefly swinging to tr’ing you buddying, and she hasn’t been shy about pushing you here in lylo. i think if she’s scum she’s already figured her best chance to win is to just hope i vote you as opposed to convincing you to vote me. and likewise i think you’ve already decided if you’re scum that you can only win by convincing me to vote mist. it seems pretty clear to me that whichever of you is the wolf doesn’t view me as a viable push, and that’s kinda making it harder for me to decide here because im not able to see if im being pushed in bad faith by one of you when i’m not really getting pushed

but anyway, that was a tangent. main point was that i don’t think your characterization of what mist is doing is accurate. she’s kept her options open much less than you have. she already has a vote down on you and has shown little to no interest in entertaining me as scum. so i don’t think its true that she’s keeping her options open or buddying both of us?

also re: me and mp, my push on her was really more based on what i wrongly thought were very scummy interactions and progression on cayvie. her push on me was a small part of my sr on her but it was really more what i found in my reread of D1 that made me vote her. you can go back and look at my analysis D2 if you truly have doubts that my push was in good faith

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:11 am i unfortunately really have to sleep because it’s after 1am but i will make some time tomorrow somehow to check back in here and reread rans stuff so i can decide on a final vote

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.

The thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 10:40 am also 1245 is a blatant misrep and she just

ignored what i asked her

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:34 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:08 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:27 am

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:12 am Ok, thanks.

So to answer MP7 now: my take on Sabie's defensiveness is that it is a good look. Her statements re: her stance on cayvie are true and consistent with frustration at being lumped in as "defending cayvie," which from her perspective is an inaccurate characterization that she is fighting back at being pinned with. I was aware of this at the time I initially put forth that characterization, as a hypothesis test to see how Sabie would respond to it.

I think she responded in a consistent and towny fashion. Currently I believe Sabie the most out of the three non-cayvie-voters, making her the one that I do NOT wish to yeet. There is some chance that she is playing this off to deflect and hedge, but it is exactly what I would expect from town in her spot.

(Additionally I do not buy the argument brought against Sabie by Mist yesterday, regarding confusion over IC claims being "the most suspicious thing in the thread." I find that also believable for town and not very scummy if at all. That argument being weak is another part of why my current suspicious lie on Mist and MP7.)

So there's a hot take for y'all. Bedtime for me now.

The thing about mist is they came in said I was weird for not understanding the IC thing and then drive by voted me and left. Mists post after cayvie was yeeted was "weh". ...? Is that like sadface? After catching a mafia? So mist and cayvie have that interaction regarding the vengeful thing and then cayvie disappeared and mist was left alone and had to randomly try to come up with some other idea of where to vote and just picked me. Could be that I mean it seems like the most obvious answer but we do have time discuss further if that's not what happened.

This still is my thought I guess.

Sorry my cases aren't fancy enough for people or I don't talk enough or whatever. The way I've played this game is not at all how I would play as scum but people don't know that and I can't blame you. Whoever the remaining scum is has to make me seem sketchy for their own purposes and that's the game so I can't be mad about it.

I think the answer is mist and I have to make a decision. [VOTE: mist] aubergine for now. I'll spend more time reading and thinking about it again tomorrow but that's my thoughts. Phone is dying.

what made you vote mist here? i feel like you just did it because i was saying you were treading water/didn’t seem to want to make a decision

like why did you vote her at this point in time? and how confident are you in your vote?

Hally wrote: ↑Sun Oct 04, 2020 8:10 pm i hope no one is too upset about this. it was a hard game and town didn’t play badly at all. was hard to get there on me because of how i bussed cayvie