The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:57 pm sig, whom have you killed?

Long Con, attempted Wilgy someone how killed Collins.

night 1 I didn't submit
Night 4 I forgot I think? I can check up on that later.

I plan to use my power tonight, but figured I'd wait and see how the day plays out. I'm also taking suggestions.

I'd rather lynch Kenway than Quin.

[4] Quin - Marmot, Nutella, Dragon D. Luffy, Sig
[3] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, speedchuck, sprityo
[2] Nutella - Quin, lapluie
[1] Sig - Epignosis
[1] Marmot - Iron_Dwarf
[1] Kenway - colonialbob

No vote: Kenway, Kylemii, gwilikers6, Kites,

aubergine

When is the poll over?

Not sure if this big wagon means civs are doing great or we've dun fucked up, I'm thinking with a mafia team of 5 it's the second.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:19 am sig

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:39 am
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:01 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:00 pm I'm highly doubtful lap is mafia and I'd rather we not lybch her.
Cool. Any reason for that?
I alwasy think she's mafia, and she's always civ so same thought.
How many games have you played with lapluie where you were civilian?

2 out of 2

I'm surprised with rdw giving up so soon it's still night phase he could not get lynched.

[VOTE: Rundontwalk] aubergine

I'm fairly confident from looking over the votes and various wagons that he's mafia and saved Quin.

Sorry I wasn't around much yesterday internet was out and i had to study. I'll try to be a bit more active today, but no promises.

[3] rundontwalk - colonialbob, Kites, sig (no vote)
[1] colonialbob - rundontwalk
[4] lapluie - Epignosis, Dragon D. Luffy, sprity0, nutella (No vote)
[1] Iron_Dwarf - speedchuck
[1] nutella - Iron_Dwarf (Switched from Epi)

Not voting: gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie,

I believe this is right

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:31 am
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 10:24 am [3] rundontwalk - colonialbob, Kites, sig (no vote)
[1] colonialbob - rundontwalk
[4] lapluie - Epignosis, Dragon D. Luffy, sprity0, nutella (No vote)
[1] Iron_Dwarf - speedchuck
[1] nutella - Iron_Dwarf (Switched from Epi)

Not voting: gwilikers6, Kenway, Kylemii, lapluie,

I believe this is right
What's this please

Before that both of us weren't voting.

I'm 100% in agreement with DDL here, IronDwarf was a counterwagon to Quin, trying to make him a counterwagon again reeks to me.

Lol what is this post doing here? Go post in the real thread. - Jack

Spoiler: show

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:21 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 1:59 am Day 1

[6] nutella - MacDougall, gwilikers6, dunya, ColinIsCool, rundontwalk, JaggedJimmyJay
[2] Epignosis - Kites, Iron_Dwarf
[6] Quin - Dragon D. Luffy, nutella, , colonialbob, Marmot, Kylemii, Long Con
[1] rabbit8 - sig
[1] ColinIsCool - Epignosis
[1] Kylemii - TonyStarkPrime
[1] TonyStarkPrime - Kenway
[1] dunya - DrWilgy

Here is day 1 we see a tie between Quin and Nutella. I'm coloring the players who've flipped that I remember so I might be off a bit.

This is the first reason I suspect Quin, while JJJ did tie it rdw voted to save Quin, as did dunya/speed and gwil. All the other players on that wagon is civ. I'd say we have at least one mafia member on Quin's wagon day 1 though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:04 pm Day 2

CBob - Kites, Tony, Marmot, Iron, Mac
Lap - Quin, Nutella, LC, Jimmy, CBob
Dr White (lynched, town) - Colin, Speed, RDW
LC - DDL, Kyle
Marmot - Sig
Speed - Wilgy
Iron - GWilly
Sig - Sprityo
Nutella - Dr White
Jimmy - Epi
Day 2 we have vote tied between CBob and Lap, this doesn't telll me much except mafia Quin voted for Lap. There wasn't a strong case for either top wagons so I don't see why scum would vote for a teammate.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:02 pm Day 3

[6] JaggedJimmyJay - Dragon D. Luffy, McDougall, Epignosis, sprityo, Marmot, DrWilgy
[6] Iron_Dwarf - colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, gwilikers6, JaggedJimmyJay, Kylemii
[1] sig - Kenway
[1] DrWilgy - Long Con
[3] nutella - Iron_Dwarf, Quin, lapluie
[1] rundontwalk - Kites
[1] gwilikers6 - rundontwalk

No vote: sig (but a good effort)

Much vote manipulation. Very unexpect
Quin avoided both wagons here, which is odd. Now looking here it does make more likely to support an Iron Dwarf wagon, but still not sure.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:02 am Day 4

9] DrWilgy - sig, Kites, Iron_Dwarf, Marmot, gwilikers6, Dragon D. Luffy, Quin, rundontwalk, Speedchuck
[6] Quin - lapluie, sprityo, nutella, Kylemii, colonialbob, Epignosis
We had a majority go for Wilgy, with the second wagon being Quin the last four votes here were DDL, Quin, RDW, and Speed. We've got at least one baddie in the remaining three.

I don't think lap would've voted for her teammate first, unless we're seeing some serious distancing. ID didn't vote for Quin which is a bad look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:20 am [8] Quin - Marmot, Nutella, Dragon D. Luffy, Sig, speedchuck, gwilikers6, Kylemii oh yeah and Kites, too
[4] Iron_Dwarf - rundontwalk, sprityo, quin, Epignosis
[1] Nutella - lapluie
[1] Marmot - Iron_Dwarf
[1] Kenway - colonialbob

No vote: Kenway

This is the think we were talking about @colonialbob

I doubt all eight people on the Quin wagon were civs, but the fact Iron Dwarf was the counterwagon makes me less likely to lynch him.

Just looking at votes I could see the mafia team being.
1 Quin. (duh)
2. nutella this is gut
3. Sprityo/RDW I doubt both are
4. Kites/Kyle

I'm also tinfoiling DDL and Epi, but I don't see much to back that up yet.

Posted this in the wrong one oops.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:18 pm Nah as much as I hate RDW right now lapluie looks worse.

Fuck with cops not giving results. This is grounds for policy lynch in most places.

[VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

I don't like this at all. I think out of Lap vs RDW, rdw is mafia.

rdw posts right now scream mafia. This isn't how a civ normally acts.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:38 pm sig, you doof.

Shhhh lets not talk about that.

There goes my night action plan.

So who do we think is the remaining mafia members?

Asking for a friend.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:46 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:43 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:05 pm The problem about having a gut read that Sig is bad is that this is as natural as breathing.
Explain?
If you made a museum fo mislynches in this site the main attraction would be big portrait of Sig screaming "I'm a civ!"

lol, true but very amusing. My meta is my shield and also my worst enemy. A Shinemy?

I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.

I agree with kites, I long thought Dunya or JJJ could be mafia, with Jay's death it could be Dunya/Speed.

I targeted Kenway since he's been only semi active, not active in his group chat with Kyle, and kept voting for me on weak reasoning. Plus he was on many people's lists.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.
What does a cornered act look like?

sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:41 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:36 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:09 am I'm in class so can't chat much, but I targeted kenway, it seemed to have failed.

My reasoning for why rdw was bad was solid. Seeing how lap flipped mafia I believe I was wrong but he was acting like a cornered mafia member trying to get a cfd going.
What does a cornered act look like?

A cornered civ does act desperate but they also try to do things to help town and counter why they aren't mafia. Red seemed much more focused on just filling the thread wirh smaller posts And redirecting his wagon. Whichin my mind is generaly more scummy. Also keep in mind i thought lap was a civ.

My actions on kenway wasn't an OMGUS he did very little with his case on me , besides try to get me lynched for being from the bad guy land. He's flying under the radar just like lap.

Every time I put in a night action it's been to help us and targeted players I found scummy. I'll also note I've tried to ask people for their thoughts and nobody has bothered to give me suggestions for my targets.

You know what would be great if everyone stopped voting for sig, that would be great.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 3:14 pm Of the vote getters right now, I'd be more comfortable with a sig lynch than a bob lynch. I'm pretty convinced Iron Dwarf is scum too.

@Iron_Dwarf: Who would you guess the three remaining scum are?

Why?

Lynching me for not killing iron is laughable especially when I was taking requests and nobody mentioned him. Shit if town decided as a group I'd target him

Also kenway you never even pushed Id, you've just been tunneling on me same with sprityo stop trying to justify your scum vote.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Wed Mar 07, 2018 8:28 pm Lynching me for not killing iron is laughable especially when I was taking requests and nobody mentioned him. Shit if town decided as a group I'd target him
That's why you think you're being lynched?

Oh come now man.

That's why kenway is it seems.

Nice I'm still alive. I didn't make the vote, if I had I'd have voted whoever had the most besides me, so pure self preservation.

Talk to me about how I can survive tomorrow.

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:09 pm What do you suggest we do then Speedchuck?

Also your “solve” was pretty close but it’s all hypothetical if you’re mafia. Cause see irondwarf can now be eliminated by mafia and they won’t have I waste their kill on him. So he’s obviously the more desireable target, less pain later. But if he’s mafia he won’t be touched. I don’t think that’s gonna inhibit scum because see, if you’re really town, then they might kill him anyways to set you up? You see where im going? It’s up to the mafia to kill him for possible wifom or to not kill him and let us question whether we kill him or not in the lynch.

Alternatively we have a wyvern rider who didn’t want to take initiative to kill irondwarf in the first place, and if he truly suspects Iron Dwarf I wholeheartedly ulencourage him to make the decision he thinks is best.

I’m still on my toes regarding that vote outcome it doesn’t sit right with me

Wasn't one of the reasons that people were lynching me was because they didn't like who i had killed? kinda counterproductive to trust someone you think is mafia and tried to lynch isn't it?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 11:45 pm Nutella is good.

I'd wager quite a bit there's at least 2 mafia in RDW, Sig, Kites, Kenway.

I've been saying for some time Kites or Kenway could be mafia and nobody has been inclined to listen. I also forgot to put in a night action so oops.

So apparently I missed the pill sorry about that I thought the day ended at 455, I'd have voted for id as well.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Mar 11, 2018 9:18 pm also i made a really funny joke in btsc 2 days ago and you haven't laughed at it or even looked at it so and honestly i'm just feeling so attacked right now :^/

This is why we should lynch Kenway no reason for a civ not to make use of BTSC.

My upgrade just makes the chances of my kill increase, rather dull.

Speaking of which @gwilikers6 wanna let me fly? I think you're still above me.

Sprityo is scum reading me for no good reason, I could have been submitting kills and not no actions every night, there are still enough maybe scummy players I could've gotten away with it. He's just been tunneling on me since the early phases. We need to look at who was against ID, and who voted for me over him the first time around.

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:21 pm
sig wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:52 am My upgrade just makes the chances of my kill increase, rather dull.

Speaking of which @gwilikers6 wanna let me fly? I think you're still above me.

Sprityo is scum reading me for no good reason, I could have been submitting kills and not no actions every night, there are still enough maybe scummy players I could've gotten away with it. He's just been tunneling on me since the early phases. We need to look at who was against ID, and who voted for me over him the first time around.
I’m not, but Kites is and I think the same applies to archers? I woulda said hell no if I had been though lol.

That's rude

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:37 am Another observation. Everyone gushes that speedunya is town. yet he's still alive

while every single other town/townish player has been killed

Kites, Kenway, Speeduyna, and perhaps nutella is whom I'm looking at.

Dunya had a very strong early game, but I do feel like Speed is coasting a bit more.
Kenway I don't like him not being in BTSC.

My tinfoil scum read is still rdw.

Though looking over the voting polls, Speed did vote for ID the day that I had the most votes so I'd rather leave him alive until last resort.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 3:02 pm Day 3

[6] JaggedJimmyJay - Dragon D. Luffy, McDougall, Epignosis, sprityo, Marmot, DrWilgy
[6] Iron_Dwarf - colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, gwilikers6, JaggedJimmyJay, Kylemii
[1] sig - Kenway
[1] DrWilgy - Long Con
[3] nutella - Iron_Dwarf, Quin, lapluie
[1] rundontwalk - Kites
[1] gwilikers6 - rundontwalk

No vote: sig (but a good effort)

Much vote manipulation. Very unexpect

Three mafia members voted as a unit for Nutella, does this mean we had some hard core distancing going on or what since I find it odd for all three to vote for a teammate. However, we have seen a fair amount of distancing going on between mafia this game. I also believe at least one mafia member was on ID wagon and all but Jay are still alive which isn't good.

So shall we lynch nutella?

Out of nine players you named five. Also why not nutella? Tell me why you think she's a civ.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:13 pm Out of nine players you named five. Also why not nutella? Tell me why you think she's a civ.
Go look at the voting trains. I've been saying this since yesterday.

But, if you look at the way ID, Quin, and Lap voted how much faith can we put in the trains when the team is obviously polarized.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:40 pm Please speak up and claim actions Vigs

Kenway it failed, this is the second time I targeted him and it didn't go through so between him and rdw I'd rather lynch him. I think it's more likely he's scum.

I'd also say Kites has a chance to be mafia.

One final though does faction nightkill abide by the same rules as other actions? If not I fail to see how this process of elimination works.

[VOTE: Kenway] aubergine

I still think nutella could be mafia and the case on bob is compelling, however Kenway is my number one pick for tonight.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:48 am As for the vigs, I don't feel like they're super reliable. When was the last time we had a crit kill?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:37 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:02 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 11:59 am I didn't hear anything about my action failing
Have you promoted? What's your new role?
Yeah, wyvern knight. Misdirect every night with a crit chance

This would explain some of the extra kills and general fuckery that's gone on. It would also explain why Collins died when I targeted Wilgy. Since nutella is mafia and redirected my action. We're both fliers so she'd have that ability however, at that time only scum had their promotions.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2018 8:58 pm Fire Emblem Night 2
Coliniscool has been killed by a critical hit. He was a general who came out of retirement. (Town)[/u]

I'm referring to this, it was night 2 so before anyone had promoted and the text makes it clear I was the one who carried out the kill. However, as I said then and now Collins wasn't my target. Being a flier means I couldn't have been redirected by anyone other than a flier. It would make perfect sense for the mafia assuming nutella was on their team to misdirect me onto someone who seemed civvie for two reasons. One it knocked out a civ and two it could potentially get the town vig, who at that time was a town read, lynched.

[mention]Kenway[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention] [mention]rundontwalk[/mention] Thoughts?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:09 pm @Kenway @speedchuck @rundontwalk Thoughts?
This is a pretty interesting point, but I have a couple of questions.

1. Does nutella's crit chance matter to this theory? I noticed you linked the two.
2. It's very possible that there is a mafia misdirection ability that, like Ring's roleblock thing, is hidden behind the scenes. What points you specifically to nutella?

Also, why bring this up now instead of days ago?

1. Maybe
2. While it might be hidden behind the scenes it was the first thought that popped up in my head. I could be wrong, but I feel it's an avenue worth pursuing

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 9:47 am So if RDW is mafia, that leaves Sig or Kyle.

If RDW is town, Sig, Kyle, and/or speedunya.

(This assumes Kenway and I are telling the truth)

I've been down to lynch RDW for awhile. I also really dislike his current defense that the balance of the game is messed up so he and ID both couldn't be mafia. This doesn't make any sense given that we had a draft.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:15 pm If you kill me (a town) how many more days until lynch-lose? Cbob is more obviously scum.

It's 8-2
so
Mislynch and mafia kill
6-2
Mislynch and mafia
4-2

We have two phases assuming the mafia is the only ones that kill and I don't use a vig shot which I may or may not do.

I could go for Bob, RDW, or Nutella this phase. However, I'd like to hear why RDW thinks Bob is mafia.

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 2:25 pm Can I suggest we Lynch sig first? That way if he's scum town is up one before getting rid of me, and Ill probably die soon by body guarding anyway

This makes zero sense, you're scum trying to buy yourself time. How is town up one, oh right if I'm scum which you haven't proven. You've hoped from crazy theory to the next in this past phase. Especially with when you said you couldn't be mafia since you and ID both had two lives. You're stumbling and trying to trick town to keep yourself alive for longer.

I think we should lynch rdw, i've been on and off again reading him as mafia all day starting with when he tried to get the scum role up until now with his shoddy defense. AND if he's mafia than I'm 100% convicted Speed is mafia and the Don. Since when dunya was a round she pushed for him to get my vig role.

If it isn't Speed his partner is someone I mentioned as being a potential scum buddy and they're worried I'll shoot them.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 1:08 pm
rundontwalk wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:15 pm If you kill me (a town) how many more days until lynch-lose? Cbob is more obviously scum.
It's 8-2
so
Mislynch and mafia kill
6-2
Mislynch and mafia
4-2

We have two phases assuming the mafia is the only ones that kill and I don't use a vig shot which I may or may not do.

I could go for Bob, RDW, or Nutella this phase. However, I'd like to hear why RDW thinks Bob is mafia.

I'm calling it RDW and Bob are one or both if they aren't it's Speed maybe Kenway.

The only thing I've got on nutella is she seems to have not had a solid stance all game and has been blendy, while that's her early game play I'd look more solid reads now. And I still think she redirected me Night 2 which lead to Collins dying.

So actually I think we should lynch in this order
1. Nutella
2. RDW

One of them is mafia I'm hundred percent certain of this. The other option is to do a 180 and look at the more lurky players and go after them like kites.

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